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Demontestament
12-19-2006, 04:53 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/19/brownback.judge.ap/index.html

DAVENPORT, Iowa (AP) -- Sen. Sam Brownback, who wants to champion social conservatives in the presidential race, said Tuesday he wants a Senate panel to re-question a judicial nominee who attended a same-sex union ceremony.

Brownback, a Kansas Republican, said he wants Michigan state judge Janet Neff to testify about her role in the 2002 Massachusetts ceremony, her legal views on same-sex unions and her ability to be impartial if called upon to rule on such cases.

Neff's nomination to a federal district court is among a dozen or so now stalled in the Senate, a logjam in part due to Brownback's questions about Neff's attendance at a lesbian commitment ceremony. The Senate Judiciary Committee has already approved her nomination.

Neff was traveling outside the country and could not immediately be reached for comment, said Chris Bockheim, her judicial assistant.

Earlier this month, Brownback, a prominent opponent of gay marriage who is exploring a presidential run in 2008, said he would lift the hold he put on Neff's nomination if the judge agreed to withdraw from ruling on any court case involving the legality of same sex unions.

In Iowa on Tuesday to meet with GOP activists, Brownback said he wants only a chance to question Neff about her role in the 2002 ceremony. Brownback also wants a recorded vote in the Senate.

"I am not opposed to her getting a vote," Brownback said before a lunch with potential donors and supporters in Davenport. "I would like her to come back through committee so she can testify what took place, factually ... her legal views on same-sex marriage and her ability and willingness to be impartial."

Neff has said she attended the commitment ceremony as a friend of one of the two women, a longtime neighbor.

She insisted in an October 12 letter to Brownback that the ceremony had no legal effect and would not influence her ability to act fairly as a federal judge.

Brownback also has been criticized for his proposal that Neff be required to recuse herself from gay marriage cases. Legal scholars said such a deal would infringe on the separation of the legislative and judicial branches of government.

But Brownback said it was simply a last resort to put her nomination forward.

"If we don't testify on her views on same-sex marriage legally, then the only way I can see fit to do this is to have her recuse herself from a class of cases," Brownback said. "Then others stepped in and said, 'You can't do that.' Well, that's the only option I had at that late hour."


Well if anyone had any doubts on how much of a dick this guy was here is more proof. He has already seperated himself from the youth of the nation and the gay community. But now he shows he is not above using bully tactics to get his way.

Earlier this month, Brownback, a prominent opponent of gay marriage who is exploring a presidential run in 2008, said he would lift the hold he put on Neff's nomination if the judge agreed to withdraw from ruling on any court case involving the legality of same sex unions.

Aka "She don't thump the bible she can't vote. Gay People are Evil!!!"

"I am not opposed to her getting a vote," Brownback said before a lunch with potential donors and supporters in Davenport. "I would like her to come back through committee so she can testify what took place, factually ... her legal views on same-sex marriage and her ability and willingness to be impartial."

Bull****!

Brownbacks version of Impartial: "Agree with the republican party that all gay people are evil and not human thus are hated by God and should not be allowed to be married or happy." *thump thump thump*

Somebody should tell him that being a total ****wad douchebag while running for office is not a good idea.

Cecil475
12-19-2006, 05:31 PM
It's stories like this that make me question my political prefrence.
(I'm a regestered replublican, but I'm pro-choice)

It's none of Brownback's buisness that this person went. Before I read that part I had guessed this person went becuase she knew some one there.

- Warren Lewis

Demontestament
12-19-2006, 06:24 PM
It's stories like this that make me question my political prefrence.
(I'm a regestered replublican, but I'm pro-choice)

It's none of Brownback's buisness that this person went. Before I read that part I had guessed this person went becuase she knew some one there.

- Warren Lewis

Well in his eyes since she knows someone who is gay she is not fit to rule over any cases that have to do with a gay person.

kurisu7885
12-19-2006, 06:30 PM
Well in his eyes since she knows someone who is gay she is not fit to rule over any cases that have to do with a gay person.

Basically meaning according to him her associating with gays should render her candidacy null and void.

Demontestament
12-19-2006, 06:43 PM
Basically meaning according to him her associating with gays should render her candidacy null and void.

/Ed McMahon "You are correct sir"

John
12-19-2006, 11:03 PM
Brownback...

That would make an obvious name for a sex act.

At least more obvious then Santorum.

Cecil475
12-20-2006, 12:36 AM
Brownback...

That would make an obvious name for a sex act.

At least more obvious then Santorum.

"'brown' back."

egggh! Out nasty image!! Out of my mind, nasty image!! egggh!!!!!

- Warren Lewis

KN
12-20-2006, 04:31 AM
I wonder when the time finally comes when you can question someone's decision for basing it on his religion.

ZippyDSMlee
12-20-2006, 06:18 PM
It's stories like this that make me question my political prefrence.
(I'm a regestered replublican, but I'm pro-choice)

It's none of Brownback's buisness that this person went. Before I read that part I had guessed this person went becuase she knew some one there.

- Warren Lewis

you forget Republicans are bussibodies by nature and dems are PC police.....;_;

Cecil475
12-20-2006, 06:28 PM
you forget Republicans are bussibodies by nature and dems are PC police.....;_;

How do you classify Libertarians?

Someone told me I was more like a Libertarian. I was also told libertarians dont win and the closest thing to them was the Democrats.

I don't know for sure other than what I was told.

- Warren Lewis

Demontestament
12-20-2006, 06:36 PM
How do you classify Libertarians?

Someone told me I was more like a Libertarian. I was also told libertarians dont win and the closest thing to them was the Democrats.

I don't know for sure other than what I was told.

- Warren Lewis

Well in all fairness in the Republican eye anything not Republican is or is close to being Demoncrat.

For Example:

Satan worshiper = Democrat

Gay = Democrat

Communist = Democrat

Terrorist = Democrat

Ugly babies = Democrat

Hilter = Democrat

KKK = Democrat

You see my point? Anything they consider evil or is considered evil in the world is because of the Democrats.

Cecil475
12-20-2006, 07:06 PM
Well in all fairness in the Republican eye anything not Republican is or is close to being Demoncrat.

For Example:

Satan worshiper = Democrat

Gay = Democrat

Communist = Democrat

Terrorist = Democrat

Ugly babies = Democrat

Hilter = Democrat

KKK = Democrat

You see my point? Anything they consider evil or is considered evil in the world is because of the Democrats.

Well a democrat was the one to tell me this.

- Warren Lewis

ZippyDSMlee
12-20-2006, 07:24 PM
How do you classify Libertarians?

Someone told me I was more like a Libertarian. I was also told libertarians dont win and the closest thing to them was the Democrats.

I don't know for sure other than what I was told.

- Warren Lewis

Libs are republican democrats they are also not as nosy and PC insane.
However for a better non of the above party(not dem or rep) a removal of lobbying moeny must happen to save the government and tis people from the corperations.

Thefremen
12-20-2006, 07:34 PM
Libs are republican democrats they are also not as nosy and PC insane.
However for a better non of the above party(not dem or rep) a removal of lobbying moeny must happen to save the government and tis people from the corperations.

Jesus Christ I had no ****ing clue what you meant in that first sentance. Republican democrats they are also not as nosy and pc insane?

I guess you mean "Libertarians are not nosy and PC as democrats" which is true. The Libertarian worldview is based on a traditional value of the Conservative movement, that people should be free to act as they like so long as it doesn't hurt others.

Thefremen
12-20-2006, 07:45 PM
Well in all fairness in the Republican eye anything not Republican is or is close to being Demoncrat.

For Example:

Satan worshiper = Democrat

Gay = Democrat

Communist = Democrat

Terrorist = Democrat

Ugly babies = Democrat

Hilter = Democrat

KKK = Democrat

You see my point? Anything they consider evil or is considered evil in the world is because of the Democrats.

Actually a Republican would never compare a Libertarian to a Democrat because they're anti-gun control and anti-taxes. I've heard Republicans call them "Anarchists" since conservative no longer means pro small-government. O.o

Basically there are some issues where Libertarians are closer to Dems and some where they're closer to the core values of the Republicans. Dems are supposed to think everything can be solved with more federal govt (FDR solution) whereas Republicans USED to believe everything can be solved by small govt (can't think of a good example of a troo republican, Lincoln sure as hell wasn't one).

Libertarians are pro-choice because what some chick does with her snatch is none of your business, Libertarians are pro-legalized weed because if you smoke a doobie then how the hell does that damage anyone else? Libertarians are for less taxes because if they ran things the government would be smaller and need less money, etc.

Cecil475
12-20-2006, 07:48 PM
I've also heard of Libertarians compaired to a Republican. (by a republican.)

- Warren Lewis

nightwng2000
12-20-2006, 08:03 PM
I find this story the ultimate in hypocrisy:
Brownback claims that because the judge feels that ALL humans are entitled to human and civil rights, that she must therefore be biased.
While at the same time, Brownback openly admits to being a dishonorable, unethical, bigoted piece of gutter trash, basically admitting that select groups of individuals don't have the same rights as "everyone else", and that makes him impartial and fair.

Uh huh, and I'm gonna win the Powerball lottery jackpot tonight and they will actually multiply it by Power Play since I played that too for the first time (and in case you don't know, the jackpot is the only prize that isn't multiplied by Power Play numbers).

Thefremen
12-20-2006, 10:03 PM
I find this story the ultimate in hypocrisy:
Brownback claims that because the judge feels that ALL humans are entitled to human and civil rights, that she must therefore be biased.
While at the same time, Brownback openly admits to being a dishonorable, unethical, bigoted piece of gutter trash, basically admitting that select groups of individuals don't have the same rights as "everyone else", and that makes him impartial and fair.

Uh huh, and I'm gonna win the Powerball lottery jackpot tonight and they will actually multiply it by Power Play since I played that too for the first time (and in case you don't know, the jackpot is the only prize that isn't multiplied by Power Play numbers).

Wow. No lotteries in Hawaii so that made zero sense to me.

nightwng2000
12-20-2006, 10:12 PM
Wow. No lotteries in Hawaii so that made zero sense to me.

Well then, YOU have a better chance of winning a lottery jackpot with a ticket bought in Hawaii than Brownbeck being considered "impartial".

And since the likelyhood of you buying a lottery ticket in Hawaii is zero...

ZippyDSMlee
12-21-2006, 12:11 AM
Jesus Christ I had no ****ing clue what you meant in that first sentance. Republican democrats they are also not as nosy and pc insane?

I guess you mean "Libertarians are not nosy and PC as democrats" which is true. The Libertarian worldview is based on a traditional value of the Conservative movement, that people should be free to act as they like so long as it doesn't hurt others.
*sigh*
never heard of republicrats or demolicains?

Libs are "Republican democrats" notice republican first, they love the constitution and guns and also like basic basic socialism (soemthign about feeding the poor or putting them to work for half the minim wage or something)

Thefremen
12-21-2006, 05:30 AM
*sigh*
never heard of republicrats or demolicains?

Libs are "Republican democrats" notice republican first, they love the constitution and guns and also like basic basic socialism (soemthign about feeding the poor or putting them to work for half the minim wage or something)

I dare you to say that in a poli-sci class.

ZippyDSMlee
12-21-2006, 08:52 AM
I dare you to say that in a poli-sci class.

you have a point neither really believe in anything they float on the wind of votes I guess thats a poli for you alway looking for a cracker.

Silver_Derstin
12-21-2006, 09:11 AM
I've also heard of Libertarians compaired to a Republican. (by a republican.)

- Warren Lewis

Libertarian, by definition, are far-right in terms of economics(micro-state if a state at all) and far-left in terms of policies (pro-choice, anti-gun control). So they're neither close to the Dems or the Reps.

ZippyDSMlee
12-21-2006, 09:16 AM
Libertarian, by definition, are far-right in terms of economics(micro-state if a state at all) and far-left in terms of policies (pro-choice, anti-gun control). So they're neither close to the Dems or the Reps.

anti gun control as in less gun control or as in more gun control?

Demontestament
12-21-2006, 12:48 PM
*sigh*
never heard of republicrats or demolicains?

Libs are "Republican democrats" notice republican first, they love the constitution and guns and also like basic basic socialism (soemthign about feeding the poor or putting them to work for half the minim wage or something)

Republican Democrat? Is this some sort of Multi-class or prestige class?

ZippyDSMlee
12-21-2006, 12:52 PM
Republican Democrat? Is this some sort of Multi-class or prestige class?

Muti class like a hippie mage that is a gun nut.