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Demontestament
12-19-2006, 04:42 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/19/daughter.pedophile.ap/index.html

ST. LOUIS, Missouri (AP) -- A federal appeals court threw out the 10-year prison sentence of a woman who rented her 9-year-old daughter to a pedophile more than 200 times, saying the punishment was too lenient.

The woman often held the girl down in their home while Joe J. Champion molested her, according to court documents. Champion typically paid the mother $20.

The Associated Press is not naming the woman, to protect her daughter's identity.

"The factors of this case are no less than horrifying," Judge William Jay Riley wrote in the unanimous opinion released Monday by a three-judge panel.

Champion pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 15 years in prison.

The woman, convicted in 2003 of aggravated sexual abuse and conspiring with Champion to help him molest the girl, was sentenced to 17-1/2 years in prison -- the minimum provided under sentencing guidelines.

She appealed, and a panel of judges sent the case back to U.S. District Judge Charles A. Shaw, saying he might have given her a lighter sentence if he had known he was not bound by the guidelines.

Shaw then sentenced the woman to 10 years, saying mental problems and drug addiction had influenced her behavior. The judge also noted that she had taken parenting classes and had vocational training while in prison.

The judge said he did not believe the woman posed a danger to the public and was unlikely to repeat the actions, according to court documents.

The appeals judges disagreed. They found the woman's efforts to rehabilitate herself neither "lessen the horrendous treatment" of her daughter, nor indicate that she would not again offer her daughter to an abuser for money.

Kevin Schriener, the woman's attorney, said Tuesday he would ask for a rehearing of the appeal.


I agree with the judge when he said the punishment was too lenient. All she deserves is a bullet to the head, after being raped for a couple hours just so she can see how her daughter felt when she held her down for the man to molest. This is one case where I would say Torture is ok before we kill her.

Dagrak
12-20-2006, 05:01 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/12/19/daughter.pedophile.ap/index.html



I agree with the judge when he said the punishment was too lenient. All she deserves is a bullet to the head, after being raped for a couple hours just so she can see how her daughter felt when she held her down for the man to molest. This is one case where I would say Torture is ok before we kill her.

I'm not going to reiterate my stance on the last point otherwise it'll get boring, but I agree entirely that this sentence was far too lenient. 10 years for 200 (at least) instances of forced abuse to a 9 year old!? She should be forced to stay behind bars for an extra 10 years after her daughter gets over and recovers from this childhood which will take...oh about her entire life. The mental and drug problems aside, her crime deserves a very long sentence with rehabilitation thrown in...and if what I've heard is true, prison detoxication is not a pleasant experience.

ZippyDSMlee
12-20-2006, 06:39 AM
Dagrak
DO you know what the legal limit on the penalties?
a few months for each instance of rape would quickly add up even with time off this person should be locked away from society for a long while 40 not 10 but then theres a limit on penalties....

Dagrak
12-20-2006, 06:49 AM
Dagrak
DO you know what the legal limit on the penalties?
a few months for each instance of rape would quickly add up even with time off this person should be locked away from society for a long while 40 not 10 but then theres a limit on penalties....

Oh I'm certain there are legal limits to sentencing, but I think if you psychologically screw up someones entire future it should have a stronger punishment then 10 years.

ZippyDSMlee
12-20-2006, 06:55 AM
Oh I'm certain there are legal limits to sentencing, but I think if you psychologically screw up someones entire future it should have a stronger punishment then 10 years.

*nods*
hell if she got 1 month for each instance it would be 16 years now since the jails are kinda full I can see 5-10 hard time and another 10-20 of parole.

fcked up or not for the crimes you commit in life you should bear at elast as much punishment.

nightwng2000
12-20-2006, 10:01 AM
Both the mom and Champion received light sentences, in my opinion.

Looking at the years of imprisonment that some individuals receive for rape, I can't exactly imagine how they can equate a single event to a mere few months. It almost feels like the more it happens to the same person by the same attacker, the less each single event should be punished.

I mean, there are plenty of cases where a rapist is sentenced to at least a year in prison. And even accomplices are sentenced to no less than 6 months.

So, really, I can't see how they calculate 10 years as being appropriate, or even 17 years as being enough.

I'm also not a supported of "drugs made me do it". And maybe "mental issues" might explain one or two events, but the number of events that did occur? Not likely. Over 200 times, surely this took place over at least a year, possible several years. And no where along the way did she even vaguely get the idea that this was wrong? I find it too hard to believe.

Appropriate sentence?
Champion: 2 years for each offense.
Mom: 1 year for each offense. You want her to be given extra consideration for the drugs and mental problems? Fine, 11 months for each offense. I think that's fair.

kurisu7885
12-20-2006, 10:15 AM
I'm surprised she's even still alive, sinvce I heard child molesters don't lastl ong in prison.

nightwng2000
12-20-2006, 01:30 PM
I'm surprised she's even still alive, sinvce I heard child molesters don't lastl ong in prison.

Males do tend to have hard times of it.

She, however, wasn't the direct abuser. And the few women who have actually been convicted of molestation tend to come out unbothered. And in some cases, female molestors don't even serve prison time. See Debra Lafave for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debra_Lafave

If there are sexual assaults on female molestors by other female inmates, or even physical assaults, life threatening or not, then it isn't reported to the public. Certainly not as much as what is reported about male prisoners.

Thefremen
12-20-2006, 04:35 PM
Males do tend to have hard times of it.

She, however, wasn't the direct abuser. And the few women who have actually been convicted of molestation tend to come out unbothered. And in some cases, female molestors don't even serve prison time. See Debra Lafave for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debra_Lafave

If there are sexual assaults on female molestors by other female inmates, or even physical assaults, life threatening or not, then it isn't reported to the public. Certainly not as much as what is reported about male prisoners.

Nick Carter raped Debra LaFavre?

Anyways, I think society treats it differently because there's this perception that shota love pedo. Apparently the legal system in FL is just beyond ****ed. Give FL to cuba already.

Silver_Derstin
12-20-2006, 04:51 PM
The thing is... Guys who are abused by older men are victims, but if they do it with their (woman) teacher, they're ****ing HEROES.

kurisu7885
12-20-2006, 04:53 PM
The thing is... Guys who are abused by older men are victims, but if they do it with their (woman) teacher, they're ****ing HEROES.

A certain episode of South Park comes to mind.

Demontestament
12-20-2006, 06:33 PM
The thing is... Guys who are abused by older men are victims, but if they do it with their (woman) teacher, they're ****ing HEROES.

You are correct, I have yet to hear about a guy complain about nailing a hot older woman, even if she is older than him by 10 years or more.

Dagrak
12-21-2006, 04:52 AM
You are correct, I have yet to hear about a guy complain about nailing a hot older woman, even if she is older than him by 10 years or more.

Has its downsides though. Male rape by women does occur but people generally don't accept it or say the man was lucky. Since a large part of rape is the psychological torment associated with it, thats not a stance people should hold onto.