Debate Thread: Cake vs Pie

[Tollwutig]

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[Thefremen]

Pie has so many options available, it is truely the food of the people and the fitting food of democracy. Want to have syrup and pecans in your pie? No problem! Strawberries? Rhubarb? Hell, even turkey or chicken or beef if it fits your fancy. Pie has approximately as many possibilities as Pi has non-repeating digits, and guess what? None of them are dry.

You have never heard in your life "Oh yee Gods can someone please bring me a cool and refreshing dairy product, this pie is the dryest pie I've ever eaten!". Also, pie compliments ice cream just as well as cake, in some cases better. Don't like eggs? no problem! Don't like dairy? No problem! A pie can be made without using either of these problems. The same cannot be said about cake.

Cake is dry, dependent on animal products, and just plain disgusting.

Pie is delicious, flavorfull, dynamic, democratic, fair, and even sounds like one of the cornerstone concepts of modern mathmatics. Do you know anyone who has calculated Cake to a thousand places?

[pixelante_ninja]

^You need to post in olive.
Wait, you were serious about the cake vs pie thing?
On topic, pies are obviously tastier, as the flavor doesn't get diluted by the large amounts of other products used in cakes to hold it together, therefore cherry pie would taste more like cherry then a cherry cake as in that case the flavor would get mixed in with the taste of frosting and cake. Also pies are much better for combat, as the consistency allows them to be much more reliable when thrown.

[pixelante_ninja]

Cheesecake is obviously pie, have you ever heard of a cake with a crust, or a cake with cheese in it. No you haven't therefore cheesecake is pie.

[John]

Pie can generally be more healthy for you since it contains fruits.

Also, the lack of icing, being that icing is all sugar, also helps.

Is that valid? I seriously don't know...

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[Theory?]

Sorry to interrupt, but I was planning on waiting a week for the sign-up thread to get a bit more exposure, but SOMEBODY decided to start the debate without talking to me first, so now it's on. I would call this one a warm up and it will be cut short on Sunday since I want to keep this on a Sunday schedule. So debate, but I'm just giving the heads up.

Precisely this is a warm up thread. To look into the logistics. Seems to be going fairly well. -Toll

[BetaSword]

Oh, pie. My good friend... Oh, how gald I am to be put on the ever so loving side of piiiiiiiiiiiiiiie...

Anyways. On topic.

Personally, I do think pie is better. As was previously stated by my collegues, pie comes in almost infinite possibilities, containing all manner of ingredients, where as cake is pretty much only meant to be sweet. Sure, there may be some other offshoot, splinter cell groups of cakes that try to be different, but all in all, they fail.

Why do they fail, you ask? Simple. Because none of them can best the BEST OF THE BEST. What is that, you ask? Simple.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v190/BetaSword/frenchsilk.jpg

French. Silk. Pie.

Nothing. And I mean NOTHING. Can come close to besting it's sheer ultimateness. Even the most mediocre of French Silk Pies could be classified as just under sex in terms of awesome.

And for those detractors that would say that French Silk Pie is not awesome, simply because of it's association with the French... Go visit colonial America during the revolution. Maybe that'll change your mind about the French.

Anyways, as my collegues have also said before me, the amounts of pies are both astounding, and, in general, more healthy. Did you know that you could satisfy the entire food guide pyramid with an assortment of pies? No? Well, now you do.

Anyways. While some may find my methods of debate to be a bit... Unorthodox... One does have to admit that it does get the point across. Not to mention the fact that this isn't the most serious of topics to begin with...

Oh... And yeah, those actually are my true beliefs about pie. Kinda weird, eh?

[Anjin-San]

Take a few steps back, bitches.

Tis time for the cake assault for great justice:

Can you eat ice-cream and pie together on a birthday, or hell...whenever you feel like it?

NO. NO YOU CANNOT.

When's the last time somebody said "I want some Haagen Dahs and some key-lime pie."? I thought so.

People do not have birthday pie. They have the manlier birthday cake.

And as for weddings? Cake has you covered all the way, baby. I wish I could say the same for pie.

BUT I CAN'T! AHAHAHAHA!

[BetaSword]

Can you eat ice-cream and pie together on a birthday, or hell...whenever you feel like it?

NO. NO YOU CANNOT.

Ah, but you can. It's really quite simple. All you really have to do is get some pie, and get some ice cream. Of course, some pies do go better with ice cream (as do some cakes). For example, FRENCH SILK PIE + ICE CREAM = WINRAR.


People do not have birthday pie. They have the manlier birthday cake.

Dude. Birthday pie is fine too. Not to mention they tend to be far easier to find at restaurants. Sure, some have cake, but most have a far larger selection of... What's that? Oh yes, PIE. Even Denny's has a rather delectable assortment of pie. And it's... Denny's.

And as for weddings? Cake has you covered all the way, baby. I wish I could say the same for pie.

Psh, I won't invite you to my wedding then. You see, I'm going to have a rather large pie. Tailor made for the occasion. French Silk, or course. It will take up an entire table... Oh yes... And the guests will indulge themselves in it's pie-ey goodness... Oh yes... Oh, and we'll have ice cream too. :)

[Anjin-San]

"Dude. Birthday pie is fine too. Not to mention they tend to be far easier to find at restaurants. Sure, some have cake, but most have a far larger selection of... What's that? Oh yes, PIE. Even Denny's has a rather delectable assortment of pie. And it's... Denny's."

It's a trick situation! Nobody can eat pie at Dennys, because nobody eats at Dennys...

"Psh, I won't invite you to my wedding then. You see, I'm going to have a rather large pie. Tailor made for the occasion. French Silk, or course. It will take up an entire table... Oh yes... And the guests will indulge themselves in it's pie-ey goodness... Oh yes... Oh, and we'll have ice cream too. :)"

Too bad it'll melt, and your wife will divorce you for such a stupid idea as a wedding pie. Meanwhile, somewhere in far-off lands...a cake will stand resolute in it's utter kickassness.

And you said French twice. You hate America. I call foul!

[Theory?]

This thread rules so much.

[Dagrak]

The true power of pie comes in its versitality. A cake is a cake, suitable as a dessert or sugary treat. A pie can encompass far more, it can handle the position of a main meal (meat Pie, Cottage Pie, Shepherds pie etc) and then another pie can be used as the dessert course, such as a strawberry pie or banoffee pie.

Pie has been a stable dish throughout history, used to bring families together, to offer important nurishment and community spirit. Cake has merely been a treat used on special occasions. If your using the America argument then what about Apple Pie, often used as the symbol of the American Family, and the Shepherds pie is used as the symbol of the British country family. No one associates their countries family values with cake. The importance of pie therefore outclasses the desire for cake, rendering the pie the crusty pastry of victory.

Besides according to the TV Series Brass Eye, cake is nothing more than a sinister drug (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_Eye#Drugs_episode) craze.

[BetaSword]

It's a trick situation! Nobody can eat pie at Dennys, because nobody eats at Dennys...

LIES AND SLANDER! People do eat at Denny's. I eat at Denny's. Several of my friends eat at Denny's. Interesting group of people, too, I might add (Schmale Denny's in Carol Stream FTW). And their pie is actually quite scrumdiddlyumptious. One time, I bought an entire one of their pies, but never had a chance to eat it because my mom spilled it on the ground... *grumble grumble*

Too bad it'll melt, and your wife will divorce you for such a stupid idea as a wedding pie. Meanwhile, somewhere in far-off lands...a cake will stand resolute in it's utter kickassness.

Too bad that won't work, considering the wedding will be in ANTARCTICA! Or maybe just a large cooler... Dunno yet. Still working out the kinks.

Oh. And cake is not a ninja. Nor is it a pirate. Nor a combination of the two. There for, it can not stand resolute in it's "utter kickassness", as it does not have utter kickassness to stand in.

And you said French twice. You hate America. I call foul!

WHO SAYS I'M AMERICAN TO BEGIN WITH?!?!



Oh wait. I am. Meh. And so what if it's French? It's still better than most everything else mankind has created.

Oh. And another reason pie is better. Pie can be used as a weapon. And a very effective one at that. We all know how clowns have a knack for throwing pies at people? Yeah. Can you do that with a cake? Not too effectively, I must say. If you'd try that, you'd likely phail very hard, as you are consequently pwned by a barrage of pies. And not just any pies. But pies quite possibly laced with razor blades and tainted hypodermic needles.

Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Silver_Derstin]

Opinions, opinions. That's all you PIE people have. Us fans of the CAKEDOM know the truth, and we can back it up with FACTS.

"The world's biggest cake was made in Alabama in 1989, and weighed 58 tons, including 7.35 tons of icing. The world's largest gingerbread man was a puny 168kg by comparison."

When looking at food, size is ALL that matters. The structural integrity of the pie crust and the elements that is inputted in the conception of the said pie limits it's maximum size, while cakes apparently are not limited to such simple problems. Can you put 7 tons of frosting on your pies? I think NOT.

On the matter of cheese cake, it is clear that it is a cake and not a pie. Cheese cakes can have multiple layers of goodness (like chocolate and strawberry filling between layers of DELICIOUS cheese), a thing that is DEFINITELY restricted to the far more complex and intellectually challenging cakes.

Another great advantage of the cakes is the fact it can come into snack form, which is something that pie as always tried to emulate but mostly failed at accomplishing. Reference image below:
http://www.canadiansweets.com/zcart/images/products/ah-Caramel.jpg
Transportability is important when looking at food products, and this clearly shows that cakes are SUPERIOR to pies.

[Dagrak]

Ah but this is the modern era, nowadays it is not size which matters in our food but how healthy our food is. A cake is invariably an unhealthy creation, packed with sugars and cream, forged in the butter of mount spoon. It is an unhealthy product. The pie however, being a versatile dish that expands past the boundries of simple dessert, can be made into a healthy main course or pudding. The average pie is often much healthier then the average cake.

Cakes are large to disguise the vacuous mass that is their flimsy being. A pie does not need to disguise its delicious flavour behind pretty decoration and cream filled bloatedness.

[Silver_Derstin]

Ah but this is the modern era, nowadays it is not size which matters in our food but how healthy our food is.

Tell that to survival specialists. Cakes can be preserved far longer and are far more filling then pie. When the Zombie Apocalypse comes, or the Alien Apocalypse, you will not have the ability to make pies, while cakes will still be good and rather easy to make. And properly made cakes are just as healthy as greasy pies made with almost rotten fruits!


Cakes are large to disguise the vacuous mass that is their flimsy being. A pie does not need to disguise its delicious flavour behind pretty decoration and cream filled bloatedness.

Esthically, cakes will always win, so this is why you pie people attack the cakes on this aspect, saying that it's the inside that counts, not the outside... But isn't it the whole thing that needs to be considered when looking at something?

[Ace_ofspade]

Before any of you pie-heads even attempt to counter my argument, I'm going to show you the best pie I could find and the worst cake I could find.

http://peterscottnj.smugmug.com/photos/20131679-S.jpghttp://www.bewarethecheese.com/mcpiesml.jpg

Still think pie is "cool"?

[Dagrak]

Ah but we must acknowledge that cake is the obvious cause of the collapse of the French Aristocracy and the numerous deaths that followed! I mean sure there was poverty, hatred among the social groups, snobbiness and political turmoil but if the media has taught me anything its the single and most unlikely scapegoat which must bear the full force of the blame! So when Marie Antoinette may not actually have said "Let them eat cake" it is obviously the cake which drove the country to a violent uprising and thusly deserves all blame. If it had been pie there would have been celebration and joy, not beheadings.


I am aware the cake speech is a myth...but I couldn't resist!

Before any of you pie-heads even attempt to counter my argument, I'm going to show you the best pie I could find and the worst cake I could find.

http://www.bewarethecheese.com/mcpiesml.jpg
http://peterscottnj.smugmug.com/photos/20131679-S.jpg

Still think pie is "cool"?

I'd rather have that pie in its pristine wrapping then that cake in all its icky frosting

[wxDiva]

For those of you who dismiss that pie is full of FILLING and WIN, I humbly bring you this:

http://www.tonidunlap.com/pumpkin_pie.jpg
(That's pumpkin pie, btw)

Who can disagree that this is the main reason why most of us consider going to Thanksgiving dinner? The only cake I ever see at a holiday dinner is this:

http://www.oldkycandy.com/catalog/images/fruitcake.jpg

What is that thing, a brick? It doesn't look like something I'd give to a dog for a chew toy. Yes, you can put so much frosting on a cake that Duncan Hines would have a 100% profit increase, but covering **** with sugar meerly makes it **** covered in sugar.

[Silver_Derstin]

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http://www.oldkycandy.com/catalog/images/fruitcake.jpg


Fruitcake: The greatest reason why cakes are superior to pies. Throwing a pie has a comedic effect. Even if you use a catapult for it, it will never deal permanent damage to an opponent. Star Control 2 teaches us that fruit cakes make excellent backup ammunition when the opposing party does not recognize you as a friend and the fruitcake as a welcoming gift.

You can also build things out of fruitcake, if need be, while pies are not really well suited for construction purposes. Cakes have the polyvalency element that pie is clearly lacking.

[wxDiva]

The problem with cake is that you can't successfully hide something in it. Someone is bound to want to cut it when you're sneaking it into a jail just to make sure you haven't hidden a file or hacksaw in there. Who would want to dig through a pie and go through the same process?

Pie tins also make a good weapon. Remember Back to the Future III? Cakes have no such improvised weapon.

[Silver_Derstin]

Pie tins also make a good weapon. Remember Back to the Future III? Cakes have no such improvised weapon.

Did you even read my post? Cake IS the improvised weapon. No need for pie tins or whatever.

[BetaSword]

Throwing a pie has a comedic effect. Even if you use a catapult for it, it will never deal permanent damage to an opponent. Star Control 2 teaches us that fruit cakes make excellent backup ammunition when the opposing party does not recognize you as a friend and the fruitcake as a welcoming gift.

Didn't I already explain that? While thowing a fruitcake at someone may cause excess vomitting, it likely won't cause much more damage. A pie, however, can hide many different diabolical means of pain and death in it, like the previously given examples of razor blades and tainted needles. They can also hide other things. Like bricks. And perhaps small children. Or a grenade.

A pie is a far deadlier weapon, because nobody would expect death to come with a creamy filling and a nice crust.

Until it's too late...

[wxDiva]

Pies are also much easier to prepare. Who wants to mess with eggs, cake mix, and a hot oven? If you aren't the best cook around, all you have to do is go to the store and buy some pie shells and pudding mix. You don't even have to cook the stuff. Some of the best pies I've had only needed to chill in the refridgerator overnight. And pies work well in any weather. No one wants to eat a thick, heavy cake when it's 100 outside.

And yes, you can have ice cream with your pie. You can have ice cream with almost anything, except beer.

[RoL]

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[pixelante_ninja]

One of the greatest strengths of pie is that it can be changed into a portable form without losing much of it's greatness. Observe.
http://www.tastykake.com/images/Tastykake/Products/100015_info.jpg
Now look at what cake is when shrunk down from it's already inferior form.
http://www.tastykake.com/images/Tastykake/Products/100033_info.jpg
Look at how it barely resembles its bigger counterpart. Therefore it is impossible to create a portable tasty cake, contrary to the company's claim, while the portable pie is almost perferct, nay, divine.

[RoL]

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[godofyouall]

All you cake loving jabroni's, What in the blue hell is wrong with you?

There is one way to settle this............................googlefight!

http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=pie&word2=cake

Seriously you didn't think you cake lovers were in with a chance did you?

I am off now to have a lovely big piece of poontang pie.

[Cecil475]

I like cake. It's been a while since I had a BIRTHDAY cake.

....That's it. Birthday cake. There's no such thing as a birthday pie.
Just say it: Birthday Pie. It doesent sound right. I want a Birthday Cake, and my birthday isnt untill January!

Birthday cake, Fruit cake, Debbie cakes (Well thay arn't cakes but then again they arn't called Debbie Pies either.)

- Warren Lewis

[pixelante_ninja]

Hahahaha, do you seriously think there are more types of cakes then pies?
Ahem
Pot Pies
Shepard Pies
Cherry Pies
Apple Pies
Pizza Pies
Pumpkin Pies
Pie a la mode
Blackberry Pie
Blueberry Pie
Sweet Potato Pie
Lemon Pie
Mince Pie
Pecan Pie
Steak Pie
Key Lime Pie
Lemon Merange Pie
and even though those cake loving commies named it a cake, cheesecake is obviously a pie as well.
Now name that many kinds of cakes.

[BetaSword]

List of pies

You forgot French Silk Pie ;)

[Cecil475]

(1.)Hahahaha, do you seriously think there are more types of cakes then pies?
Ahem
Pot Pies
Shepard Pies
Cherry Pies
Apple Pies
Pizza Pies
Pumpkin Pies
Pie a la mode
Blackberry Pie
Blueberry Pie
Sweet Potato Pie
Lemon Pie
Mince Pie
Pecan Pie
Steak Pie
Key Lime Pie
Lemon Merange Pie
(2.)and even though those cake loving commies named it a cake, cheesecake is obviously a pie as well.
Now name that many kinds of cakes.

1. Quantity over quality? I think not. I know not. In other words,there may be more types of pies than there are types of cakes. but cakes are better and more filling.
2. Cheesecake might be a pie. But it's so good that they called it a cake.
(Yes,I'd like a slice of that strawberry cheese pie...that doesent sound right.)

- Warren Lewis

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[pixelante_ninja]

It's not quanity that's shown but versatility, that anybody can have a favorite kind of pie, but cake, their choices are significantly limited. Oh, and strawberry cheese pie doesn't sound right because you haven't said it before, it's like the people who say the pledge doesn't sound right without "under god" although it was like that for awhile they just grew up saying it differently.

[BetaSword]

Alrighty, let's take a look at what both of the sides are saying, shall we?

Cake pros:

More filling
Bigger
"full of awesome"
Fruit cake can bludgeon people
Can be eaten with ice cream
Eaten at weddings
Birthday cake


Pie pros:

More variety
Can be eaten for any meal
Can also be eaten with ice cream
Some people like pie at their weddings
Some people like birthday pie
Cheesecake falls in the pie catagory
Can be humerous when used as a weapon
Can be very dangerous when used as a weapon
Can conceal other dangerous objects when used as a weapon
Has French Silk Pie among it's ranks
Easier to make
Satisfies all the food groups with different pies
Different types of pies can be just as filling, if not moreso, than cake, especially when eaten as the main course.


It looks to me like Pie seems to be currently in the lead. Come on, cake people. Show us why we should be quivering in fear.

After all.

What is a cake?

A miserable little pile of eggs and dough!

But enough talk!

[John]

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[Anjin-San]

* Angel food cake
* Apple cake
* Babka
* Banana cake
* Battenburg cake
* Baumkuchen
* Birthday cake
* Black Forest cake
* Buccellato
* Bundt cake
* Butter cake
* Butterfly cake
* Carrot cake
* Cheesecake
* Chocolate cake
* Christmas cake
* Chiffon cake
* Croquembouche
* Cupcake
* Date and walnut loaf
* Devil's food cake
* Eccles cake
* Erotic cake
* Fairy cake
* Fifteens
* Fruit cake
* German chocolate cake
* Génoise Cake
* Gingerbread
* Gob
* Gooey butter cake
* Honey cake
* Hot milk cake
* Hummingbird cake
* Ice cream cake
* Jaffa Cakes
* Leavened cake, Hefekuchen
* Mooncake
* Orehnjac(a
* Pancake
* Panettone
* Petit fours
* Pineapple Upside Down Cake
* Pound cake
* Queen Elizabeth cake
* Red bean cake
* Red velvet cake
* Sachertorte
* St. Honoré Cake
* Simnel cake
* Spice cake
* Sponge cake
* Stack cake
* Suncake
* Tarte Tatin
* Teacake
* Tres leches cake
* Vanilla slice
* Vanilla cake
* Victoria Sponge
* Wedding cake
* Zwetschgendatschi


Who wrote the songs "Going the distance", "Short skirt, long jacket" and "Building a religion"?

WAS IT PIE?

NO. NO IT WAS NOT.

TWAS CAKE.

Cakes might not be healthy, sure. But cake-eaters live life on the edge! No light, liberal, un-American pastries for us! My life is in my hands! Will I eat a thin, wussy...pizza pie? No. I will eat a bad-ass deep dish pizza, likened to cake!

[John]

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[wxDiva]

Cakes might not be healthy, sure. But cake-eaters live life on the edge! No light, liberal, un-American pastries for us! My life is in my hands! Will I eat a thin, wussy...pizza pie? No. I will eat a bad-ass deep dish pizza, likened to cake!

It has crust around the edges, thus it still remains pie. Pizza cake would be nasty as hell.

[Silver_Derstin]

An important thing to remember when talking about cake is that germans LOVE cake. Do you really want to piss off the germans and the superior germanic people by saying PIE, this pathetic celtic invention, is superior.

I think not.

[wxDiva]

All one has to do is put weinerschnitzel or whatever funky-sounding food into a pie, and the Germans will love it.

[godofyouall]

An important thing to remember when talking about cake is that germans LOVE cake. Do you really want to piss off the germans and the superior germanic people by saying PIE, this pathetic celtic invention, is superior.

I think not.

The German's love their Zwiebelkuchen also.

Even though it translates into onion cake *Vomits Uncontrollably*, it's still pie.

[Tollwutig]

Wow, now I am unsure whether Cake or Pie is the superior dessert. Some very good arguments for both cases. I am sure the debate over cake and pie will continue long after this thread is gone. All and all I feel this debate was a very good one for the initial thread, and I look forward to future debate threads on tenuous and less fattening topics. Congratulations to all of our debators and our debate teams for arguments well presented.
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[Theory?]

Since I didn't start this thread, that means I get to make a statement. My final word is that Cake is far superior. Pie is great and all, but nothing satisfies a sweet tooth quite like cake.