Christian groups unhappy with Left Behind

[beemoh]

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6162477.html

Looks like you-know-who isn't the only person (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/6/12/31011/1474) who doesn't like the Left Behind game, as christian groups CrossWalk America, Christian Alliance for Progress, The Center for Progressive Christianity, The Beatitudes Society and others call for a boycott, as it promotes un-christian values in the name of the Bible.

Interesting.

[kurisu7885]

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6162477.html

Looks like you-know-who isn't the only person (http://www.talk2action.org/story/2006/6/12/31011/1474) who doesn't like the Left Behind game, as christian groups CrossWalk America, Christian Alliance for Progress, The Center for Progressive Christianity, The Beatitudes Society and others call for a boycott, as it promotes un-christian values in the name of the Bible.

Interesting.
hmmm, and here I though it promoted them in spades.

[KN]

And so, the christian groups opened their bible and were astonished that many of the un-christian values inherent to the game were in fact in it.

Not the Rapture though. Because Tim Lahaye is a moron >.> <.<

[Grahamr]

According to G.P, doesn't the game punish you for killing, even if it's justified?

Like, in that it brings you closer to the dark side?

I think this is just a misunderstanding.

[MachShot]

"Those throwing rocks at our game simply haven't played it through," Lyndon said. "There is no 'convert or die' in the game. There is no blood, gore or gratuitous violence of any kind. … Left Behind Games' desire is to have a positive impact on an industry that traditionally has had a dark influence on gamers and the world."


I like the throwing rocks analogy. But I hate it when blind-sighted christian groups like these make christians like me look like idiots.

Fifty bucks says at least two thirds are over-conservative 'no-read-bible' steriotypical christians who shove Bibles into non-belivers faces without them so much as to reading the Index of the Bible.

Play the damn game before making assuptions.

[KN]

Dude, the game is based on a book by a crackpot christian who probably don't read the bible all the way through either.

Read the damn book before making assumptions.

[Grahamr]

Angelic Tribulation Forces, AWWAYYYYY!!!!!!!!

[Darth_Toxic]

Christian groups unhappy

When are they happy?

[Anjin-San]

Perhaps when their thirst for newborn infant blood is sated?

This'd be one of the few times I'd agree with these folks, seeing as how it's a huge backwards step for Christian games in terms of quality, and conveying a message. That, and I just loath those damn books.

[beemoh]

I like the throwing rocks analogy.

All together now: "Alright, who thre that stone?", etc.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Perhaps when their thirst for newborn infant blood is sated?

This'd be one of the few times I'd agree with these folks, seeing as how it's a huge backwards step for Christian games in terms of quality, and conveying a message. That, and I just loath those damn books.

Can you point out the main reasons why you dislike the books?

[Some Lazy Dr]

Beats me why there is so much controversy. Who said it was real? It's a game. Even if it's based on this team's insane antics on religion. We're not talking bible people, we're talking the guy who wrote the book and the people who made the game.

[bayushisan]

Personally I'd be a proponent of good Christian games. It is possible to make them, but you have to start with a premise that get people interested. A game based on a series of best selling books is good on paper, but you have to have the fundamentals of gameplay behind it as well.

[Hannah]

Personally I'd be a proponent of good Christian games. It is possible to make them, but you have to start with a premise that get people interested. A game based on a series of best selling books is good on paper, but you have to have the fundamentals of gameplay behind it as well.

I just wish they'd finally get around to making a proper bible game. And I DON'T mean yet another dumbed down censored version about fluffy lambs and smiling white people that love each other all the time. Gotta keep all the blood, death, sex, rape, incest, slavery, rebellion, hatred, etc. that God clearly found interesting enough to include in his book.

[voodooKobra]

When I first saw this game, I was hoping it was a satire. Sadly, it appears that this is not the case. *goes back to evilbible.com*

[Grahamr]

Lol, what about this?

http://www.tribulationknights.com/newgame/

We forgot the OTHER christian game.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Lol, what about this?

http://www.tribulationknights.com/newgame/

We forgot the OTHER christian game.

Hard core black booted cultists Vs the no kill cultists...oh joy...

[John]

Hard core black booted cultists Vs the no kill cultists...oh joy...

Frankly, I'd rather have Christians virtually killing non-Christians rather then literally.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Frankly, I'd rather have Christians virtually killing non-Christians rather then literally.

Can't do that now Christians have never killed anyone..........:rolleyes:

[voodooKobra]

Can't do that now Christians have never killed anyone..........:rolleyes:
*coughinquisitioncough* Anyone else feeling a little under the weather? *coughcaananitescough*

[KN]

*coughinquisitioncough* Anyone else feeling a little under the weather? *coughcaananitescough*

If I had to cough all the victims of the christian faith my throat would never fully recover.

[voodooKobra]

Hahaha. Good point.

[SJR]

This statement is posted from an employee of Left Behind Games on behalf of Troy Lyndon, our Chief Executive Officer.

There has been in incredible amount of MISINFORMATION published in the media and in online blogs here and elsewhere.

Pacifist Christians and other groups are taking the game material out of context to support their own causes. There is NO “killing in the name of God” and NO “convert or die”. There are NO “negative portrayals of Muslims” and there are NO “points for killing”.

Please play the game demo for yourself (to at least level 5 of 40) to get an accurate perspective, or listen to what CREDIBLE unbiased experts are saying after reviewing the game at www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/controversy.htm

Then, we’d love to hear your feedback as an informed player.

The reality is that we’re receiving reports everyday of how this game is positively affecting lives by all who play it.

Thank you for taking the time to be a responsible blogger.

[ZippyDSMlee]

This statement is posted from an employee of Left Behind Games on behalf of Troy Lyndon, our Chief Executive Officer.

There has been in incredible amount of MISINFORMATION published in the media and in online blogs here and elsewhere.

Pacifist Christians and other groups are taking the game material out of context to support their own causes. There is NO “killing in the name of God” and NO “convert or die”. There are NO “negative portrayals of Muslims” and there are NO “points for killing”.

Please play the game demo for yourself (to at least level 5 of 40) to get an accurate perspective, or listen to what CREDIBLE unbiased experts are saying after reviewing the game at www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/controversy.htm

Then, we’d love to hear your feedback as an informed player.

The reality is that we’re receiving reports everyday of how this game is positively affecting lives by all who play it.

Thank you for taking the time to be a responsible blogger.

I don't think many of us here if any are bashing the left behind game on its context,the meat and potatoes of gameplay is what we are whining about,you can build a game around Christians themes this is a simple matter making it fun and interesting to joe public is another matter.

Refining and polishing gameplay having depth in that game play these things will attract more people than the "theme" there of ,I have only played the demo a bit at a friends house since I don't like the lurking spyware that comes with it,but I have read enough reviews ,you need coherent factions that have different themes dose this make playing the evil side a requirement no but it means you need work out soemthign that can keep a person attention span past the 3-6th hour of more of the same.

I find it funny when Devs/pubs blame a game for not not selling well on the public or the theme of the game when its the gameplay thats always at the core of the matter,look at Quake 4 because they lowered the bar for it the game sold practically on name alone,my point is gameplay,polish and story are the core of games to fail these is to fail to understand gaming all together.


BTW having the spy ware(Double Fusion) in it keeps alot of us from even trying it,call it what you will but without the ability to chose to install it it makes some of us uneasy.

[KN]

This statement is posted from an employee of Left Behind Games on behalf of Troy Lyndon, our Chief Executive Officer.

There has been in incredible amount of MISINFORMATION published in the media and in online blogs here and elsewhere.

Pacifist Christians and other groups are taking the game material out of context to support their own causes. There is NO “killing in the name of God” and NO “convert or die”. There are NO “negative portrayals of Muslims” and there are NO “points for killing”.

Please play the game demo for yourself (to at least level 5 of 40) to get an accurate perspective, or listen to what CREDIBLE unbiased experts are saying after reviewing the game at www.leftbehindgames.com/pages/controversy.htm

Then, we’d love to hear your feedback as an informed player.

The reality is that we’re receiving reports everyday of how this game is positively affecting lives by all who play it.

Thank you for taking the time to be a responsible blogger.

Are you just copy-pasting it here, or are you the actual employee?


Sure, I know what credible experts are saying about the game: it ****ing sucks ass, much like the books. No wait, the game is far less worse than the books, because I didn't violently throw up while playing, whereas it only took me one chapter of Tim LaHaye's bull**** to achieve that.

[LegallyBlindGamer]

The game sucked anyway.

[navibc31]

I don't think a boycott will be necessary, when you can buy the game new at GameStop for $10 (including a book retailed at $14), the game is pretty much sunk.

[kurisu7885]

I don't think a boycott will be necessary, when you can buy the game new at GameStop for $10 (including a book retailed at $14), the game is pretty much sunk.

Worst case scenario is we get another 25 to life fiasco, where all the negative attention drives sales.

And if you ask "what's 25 to life" I made my point.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

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And some people have wondered why I really have stopped coming to this forum any more. Isn't there a way to comment about something without bashing a religion through gross overexaggeration?

[ZippyDSMlee]

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And some people have wondered why I really have stopped coming to this forum any more. Isn't there a way to comment about something without bashing a religion through gross overexaggeration?

The fundies are a gross overexaggeration, normal Christens are normal people that tend to not to that stuff.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

The fundies are a gross overexaggeration, normal Christens are normal people that tend to not to that stuff.

And so making blanket statements about Christianity in general and bashing it, rather than singling out the people who are causing the problems is a great solution. sorry, but on this forum, I've seen so much unadulterated bashing of Christianity, without restricting the complaints against a specific group or movement, but rather Christianity in general, that it has repulsed me. One would think that a forum dedicated to discussions about games & politics in general, would have a certain level of civility and consideration for people. Especially on a forum dedicated to discussion about how several talking heads and more are completely being inconsiderate toward games, gamers, and the like in politics.

I can understand having problems with the "fundamentalist" groups which like many fundamentalist movements in general tend to take source material and distort it to their political ends, but honestly, I feel as if I am no longer welcome on the Gamepolitics forums just because I am Christian. The increasing amount of bashing that has been taking place makes it hard for me to even want to say anything in a thread, because bashing Christianity seems to be the "in" thing to do here any more.

[SlyFox]

And so making blanket statements about Christianity in general and bashing it, rather than singling out the people who are causing the problems is a great solution. sorry, but on this forum, I've seen so much unadulterated bashing of Christianity, without restricting the complaints against a specific group or movement, but rather Christianity in general, that it has repulsed me. One would think that a forum dedicated to discussions about games & politics in general, would have a certain level of civility and consideration for people. Especially on a forum dedicated to discussion about how several talking heads and more are completely being inconsiderate toward games, gamers, and the like in politics.

I can understand having problems with the "fundamentalist" groups which like many fundamentalist movements in general tend to take source material and distort it to their political ends, but honestly, I feel as if I am no longer welcome on the Gamepolitics forums just because I am Christian. The increasing amount of bashing that has been taking place makes it hard for me to even want to say anything in a thread, because bashing Christianity seems to be the "in" thing to do here any more.

Yeah, I noticed that a bit, too. As a Christain, it is an annoyance at best but more often than not is a pain to see people acting as though they actually believe that a small group represents the entire religion. There's alot of LaRouche bashing from time to time and that's pretty much acceptable because neither him nor his followers have given us any reason to thinking otherwise of them, but we don't bash the whole of humanity because LaRouche just happens to be human, so let's stop acting like all Christianity is bad just because a few fundies happen to claim to be Christian, ok?

Now that that's out of the way, yeah, the game is sunk. In today's society (at least in the free world where propaganda isn't all the rage), religious games seem to be generally frowned upon, and making one would pretty much be a wasted effort from the beginning if you were trying to make a major profit from it.

[ZippyDSMlee]

And so making blanket statements about Christianity in general and bashing it, rather than singling out the people who are causing the problems is a great solution. sorry, but on this forum, I've seen so much unadulterated bashing of Christianity, without restricting the complaints against a specific group or movement, but rather Christianity in general, that it has repulsed me. One would think that a forum dedicated to discussions about games & politics in general, would have a certain level of civility and consideration for people. Especially on a forum dedicated to discussion about how several talking heads and more are completely being inconsiderate toward games, gamers, and the like in politics.

I can understand having problems with the "fundamentalist" groups which like many fundamentalist movements in general tend to take source material and distort it to their political ends, but honestly, I feel as if I am no longer welcome on the Gamepolitics forums just because I am Christian. The increasing amount of bashing that has been taking place makes it hard for me to even want to say anything in a thread, because bashing Christianity seems to be the "in" thing to do here any more.

Why must any/all "blanket statements" to Christans be taken as a slight on all Christans when its a slight on all fundies albeit the Christan flavored variety.

It helps to see it as not a attack on Christanaity but foolish traditionalism and fundamentalism, and if you find comments go OTT first off report them so he mods can keep the sensitivity levels here reasonable , 2ndly try and disinfect the comment with logic it tends to kill 80% of stupidity on the spot.

In the end most forget that Christanaity is no different than anything else, gamers have rapid fanboys Christanaity has fundies and they both work for teh horde!

Warning:rant mode:traditionalism
And if you are wondering why I am brining traditionalism in on it, when a religious collage in the south starts up a a home maker course for women only it smacks of stupidity on many grounds do they even realize the world they live in, in todays world you need 2 workers and 2 homemakers to make it in the middle class unless you are some forum of lucky/rich and find a job able to support a whole family of 3+ and stay in a middle class setting, not to mention lets not teach men how to cook,clean or organize...

SlyFox
Fundies are everywhere sadly it dosent help half the TV preachers clam gay is sin yet leave out breads and shellfish alot of others do this too, however any preacher worth his salt says everyone sins so meh :D

What I am getting at not all blanket statements should taken as a slight on ALL Christanaity.

[Xlorep DarkHelm]

I just generally don't care for blanket statements, because they over-generalize, and stereotype, rather than talking about and discussing specific points. Most often, a general blanket statement is used to harrass, ridicule, or otherwise attack something the person making the statement doesn't like, and in the process, by making a blanket, overgeneralized statement, it encompasses a much wider target than intended.