PS3 is to Wii as PSP is to DS?

[Beacon]

The PS3 is much more expensive than the Wii. It offers better graphics and media capabilities, but the Wii offers a unique element to add in to games.
Sound familiar? The correlations between the next-gen war and the portable war are pretty strong. Despite the PSP's technical prowess, the DS majorly outsold it. Will this trend continue with the PS3 and the Wii? What to people think?
In my opinion, there is one major element present here that wasn't in the portable war. The PSP had better graphics than the DS, but it wasn't anywhere close to having the best graphics in the entire industry. The PS3 does. Will that make a difference? I don't know.

[John]

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a boost in the PSP's popularity once more PS1 games become downloadable and playable on the PSP.

Though the one thing that the Wii and DS, and even the PS3, have that the PSP lacks is third party support and more original games.

[MachShot]

History repeats itself y'know. I'm pretty sure the sales with further prove my point.

[kurisu7885]

I've always had more fun with Nintendo's devices. Part of my reason for not wanting a PSP, I tried it, and it wasn't any fun to play, it felt the same as everything else, the DS on the other hand, I loved it.

[ZippyDSMlee]

its to early to tell if the PS3 will fail like the PSP,if sony pays attention and keeps the game lineup going on it it will probably be like the PS2 now theres a good 50/50 chance the WII and PS3 will share the number 1 spot but in all heres how I see it

PS3
Rank Number 1
Reason
world fan base and graphical power and games (devs loved the PS2 might cling to the PS3) PS2 squeals either being exclusive or frist release.

Weakness:PRICE,Sony bad PR
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WII
Rank Number 2
Reason
Innovation baby innovation,World fan base,games and Innovation baby innovation!!!

Weakness:Almost current gen graphics wise
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360
Rank Number 3
reason US fan base in US/EU the rest of the world not so much

Weakness:Price and hardware issues ,however slowly mature into a worth while system unlike the Xbox that took 3 or 4 years to have anything worth while...

[KN]

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a boost in the PSP's popularity once more PS1 games become downloadable and playable on the PSP.


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[steelcobra]

Another thing you have to remember is that Nintendo knows the handheld market far better than Sony does. Consider what is easier to deal with: a small flash card that pops in and out of the top, or a specialized disc that makes battery time vary based on how much it's accessed and can pop loose if hit the wrong way.

[KN]

Another thing you have to remember is that Nintendo knows the handheld market far better than Sony does. Consider what is easier to deal with: a small flash card that pops in and out of the top, or a specialized disc that makes battery time vary based on how much it's accessed and can pop loose if hit the wrong way.

Which is another parallel to the Wii and PS3.

On one hand we have a format accepted entirely by the market (DVDs) and on the other a new proprietary format that still has to compete against HD-DVD.

If they hadn't used Bluray, the PS3 would be out over here by now. Apparently Bluray lasers are.. err.. hard to come by >.>

[steelcobra]

But at the same time, remember that it was the PS2 that really brought DVD's into the home market. And the fact that only one movie studio doesn't support Blu-ray, as opposed to only three supporting HD-DVD, it looks more like a smart move.

And when you consider how much more data is required for this next generation's games, the 360's non-game external HD-DVD drive (in a category that historically never sells well, see the PS2 hard drive) seems like a High-definition afterthought rather than anything really useful.

As for the direct comparisons between PS3 and Wii, however, they are targeting completely different markets. Basically, Sony's plan is to maintain their mainstream dominance over MS, while Nintendo plans to slip under the radar of the others and give gamers something different.

[Beacon]

Zippy: Two more advantages the Wii has that are worth mentioning
1) Much faster time out of the gate (I think there's something like 10x as many Wii's as PS3's right now)
2) Cheap dev kit.

[Kharne]

Another thing you have to remember is that Nintendo knows the handheld market far better than Sony does.

I always though the problem wasn't that Nintendo was good with handhealds, so much as the compition always underestimates them there. Most just release an arbitrally more powerful gameboy clone and expect an easy win on that alone. Nokia's N-Gage comes to mind as a good example ("It's 3D, it has to win! 3D always beats 2D!")

Anway, I'm not sure if the Wii will take first place. It's an obvious shoe in for second, and I notice polls at places like Gamefaqs favor the Wii, (not to mention those launch polls GP reported on in december) so there's plenty of people rooting for the Wii to win, but right now we probably won't know if they've "won" for another year or two.

[steelcobra]

The thing is, you can't really claim a victor between the current big three. Sure, Nintendo spazzed with the Gamecube, but nowhere near as bad as the N64. And bothe the XBOX and PS2 have their high points and killer apps. And in three years everybody bitching about the systems now will have bought at least two of the three.

[Kharne]

The thing is, you can't really claim a victor between the current big three.

Well... I guess it depends on how we're judging this. Off the bat we don't have any clear definition of "winning". I'd guess we're going by units sales and/or game releases (That is: Who's getting all the big titles?). You could also measure success by profits, but then wouldn't X-Box be dead last? I've heard Microsoft lost millions on it.

Not to mention who's "winning" could depend on where you live. There's plenty of X-Box owners in America. In Japan? Not so much. Or so I'm told.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well... I guess it depends on how we're judging this. Off the bat we don't have any clear definition of "winning". I'd guess we're going by units sales and/or game releases (That is: Who's getting all the big titles?). You could also measure success by profits, but then wouldn't X-Box be dead last? I've heard Microsoft lost millions on it.

Not to mention who's "winning" could depend on where you live. There's plenty of X-Box owners in America. In Japan? Not so much. Or so I'm told.

Yes MS had to burn millions to get thier foot into the door,the Xbox is still iffy at best to me hell so is the 360 but regardless of my issues Sony clearly "won" with the PS2 the Xbox and GC pretty much stayed in 2nd place bashing each other over the head with rocks.

the PS2 has the games the devs and general public support around the world,the GC kinda did the Box kinda didn't in all the Xbox did well in the EU and US but as good as the GC add the GC in japan and well you wodner how the Xbox got so big,maybe letting its "hobby" community's have so room to grow?

But then again I got a Xbox this year to play Halo 2 for the most part *L*
the 360 is doing better than the box was in all its a OK system I am nto happy with the price but I might get one for BIoshock

the PS3 is currently a POS and untill it drops below 450 I most likely will not change my mind...

The WII is the best thing since sliced bread *drools* bbrreeeaaadddddddd

......anyway.... heres how I see them leveling out


the 360 dose not have world wide support so tis a 2ndry console the PS3 is goign to live off PS2 games names and devs so in acouple years the PS3 will be the system to have leave the WII to fill any Pre and post PS3 gaps and I hate to think that tho the WII is hella better than both the others.....
if the WII dose not reign the PS3 will.

anyone got any any sales satistics for the PS2-Xbox-GC-360-WII?


the PS3 has not had a good launch an ok launch but limited....so maybe when the 2nd wave hits will will talk about it...

[steelcobra]

You forget that for six months after the PS2's release, there weren't any available.

[ZippyDSMlee]

You forget that for six months after the PS2's release, there weren't any available.

then after that problems started to pop up,the PS3 is going to be interesting to watch :3

[TrentHowell]

i usually never buy the first generation systems of the new generation. Usually they tend to have problems with it plus a bit pricey (case and point being the PS3). First generation models are more of a gamble for me. I'll probably end up getting a Wii in the end or possibly a PS3 when the price drop finally happens. I was thinking about getting the PS3 for the Gundam Crossfire game till i saw the horrendous reviews of it.

So if i get a system now, the Wii will be getting my money for its overal cheapness and Zelda:Twilight Princess

[ZippyDSMlee]

how long did it take the PS2 to drop 50-100?
it will take as long for the PS3 to drop 100.

[John]

how long did it take the PS2 to drop 50-100?
it will take as long for the PS3 to drop 100.

But then again, consider the shelf-life of these current systems.

Nintendo stated that the Wii has a shelf life of 4-5 years, as regular. I believe I read somewhere Microsoft is alreay working on the next XBox. And we won't see PS4 even being planned until 2010.

[ZippyDSMlee]

But then again, consider the shelf-life of these current systems.

Nintendo stated that the Wii has a shelf life of 4-5 years, as regular. I believe I read somewhere Microsoft is alreay working on the next XBox. And we won't see PS4 even being planned until 2010.

Very true the 360 as it is has to be replaced it just has to to fully fight the PS3 ,when do you think MS will let out the Xbx2? *L*
If they are doing it it will be in the next 3-5 years.
the WII is backed by Nintendo they are going to milk it as much as they can about 5 years is right BTW 5 years from now is 2011.

ya know the PS3 is not quite the monster they hyped about it could last 5 years easy if they could optmize it to meet the hype it could last 6-9 years....

[John]

But then again, consider the shelf-life of these current systems.

Nintendo stated that the Wii has a shelf life of 4-5 years, as regular. I believe I read somewhere Microsoft is alreay working on the next XBox. And we won't see PS4 even being planned until 2016.

Fixed for my own bad math skills.

ya know the PS3 is not quite the monster they hyped about it could last 5 years easy if they could optmize it to meet the hype it could last 6-9 years....

But remember, these are still launch titles, for both the PS3 and Wii.

Compare a PS2 launch game to a PS2 game that was just released this year. Or graphically compare FFVII to FFVIII for the PS1.

Sure, the games released now for the PS3 may not live up to the hype of the system, but even so the developers are still learning how to manipulate the system's power. Give it a year or a year and a half until we see the PS3's really start to shine.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Fixed for my own bad math skills.

Considering how luke warm the PS3 is at launch I say they will start PS4 designs and such in 2010-2013
the PS2 as powerful as it was had life span of 6 years the PS3 as it IS will only get a bonus 2-3 years.

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why do I think they will start on it so soon? in 5 years every one else will either have out or willl be bringing out theres and they will match(kinda) the PS3 in power,and since its all abotu power now adays sony cant help be follow suit.


I can only hope the Xbox 2 will have complete BWC and a non handicapped upgrade setup.

[Kittie Rose]

I wouldn't be too surprised to see a boost in the PSP's popularity once more PS1 games become downloadable and playable on the PSP.

Though the one thing that the Wii and DS, and even the PS3, have that the PSP lacks is third party support and more original games.

Err, don't you need a PS3 to do this?? Too awkward.

[Beacon]

But then again, consider the shelf-life of these current systems.

Nintendo stated that the Wii has a shelf life of 4-5 years, as regular. I believe I read somewhere Microsoft is alreay working on the next XBox. And we won't see PS4 even being planned until 2010.
I've heard people make this argument, but look at it this way. Let's assume that the PS3 will run for 10 years, but Nintendo will release a new system in 5 years.
PS3: I pay $600 now and I get a PS3 for ten years.
Nintendo: I pay $250 now and get the Wii for five years. In 2011, I pay another $250 and get their new system, which will probably be more powerful than the PS3, because that technology will be cheap in five years. So not only have I payed $100 less total, but I get a boost in technology five years sooner.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I've heard people make this argument, but look at it this way. Let's assume that the PS3 will run for 10 years, but Nintendo will release a new system in 5 years.
PS3: I pay $600 now and I get a PS3 for ten years.
Nintendo: I pay $250 now and get the Wii for five years. In 2011, I pay another $250 and get their new system, which will probably be more powerful than the PS3, because that technology will be cheap in five years. So not only have I payed $100 less total, but I get a boost in technology five years sooner.

ya with the luke warmness of the PS3 even if it gets a 30-40% power boot from codeing its still only going to last 2-3 above the 5 and when the new MS system comes out in 2-5 it will be as powerful or almost as the PS3 making the need of a new PS"X" even more so

The PSP is nearly dead currently all there plans to revive it are meek at best trying to use shock pads to revive the dead is not going to work a halving of UDM movie prices and a ture interest in revive the game line is needed to bring the PSP back this hope popgey manigment style needs to go....useing the PS3 will will only keep the PSP corpse from rotting for a bit...its still dead....and then one you add up you have to pay for these games its even more silly.....
besides look for a new PSP in 3-6 years....

EDIT
looking at how cheap Nintendo is you when they upgrade their system design it will come out as powerful as the 360 more or less but then again the PS3 hardware has been nothing great yet,if they can find the code optmations to get it to run as good as the hype said it could then maybe its not so bad but as it is but in any case sony took the long way round to build a console...

[Kharne]

I've heard people make this argument, but look at it this way. Let's assume that the PS3 will run for 10 years, but Nintendo will release a new system in 5 years.

I can see Nintendo making a new system in 5 years, they have room to move. But Sony and Microsoft? Where can they go? The current systems cost an arm and a leg and they're not even selling at a profit. In 5 years they could probably make even more powerful systems, but the price will either have to stay the same, or go even higher (which would likely be a very bad move for them). If they want to bring the launch price down next time they'll need to wait longer for whatever tech is current in five years to get cheaper.

Basically, Sony and Microsoft may have jumped too far ahead in releasing their big expensive systems, Those high pricetags are already a problem, and they're going to have trouble bringing them down again. This wouldn't be a major problem, Except Nintendo's still around. Unless the Wii bombs, there's a chance they could be stuck for 10 years with normally weak Nintendo ready to drop a more powerful Wii2 at any moment.

Reguardless of what happens though, at the rate everyone's progressing I don't think we're going to go more than another generation or two before system lifespans start to increase again. The Tech has to outstrip the game designers ability to ulitize it sooner or later, right?

[ZippyDSMlee]

I can see Nintendo making a new system in 5 years, they have room to move. But Sony and Microsoft? Where can they go? The current systems cost an arm and a leg and they're not even selling at a profit. In 5 years they could probably make even more powerful systems, but the price will either have to stay the same, or go even higher (which would likely be a very bad move for them). If they want to bring the launch price down next time they'll need to wait longer for whatever tech is current in five years to get cheaper.

Basically, Sony and Microsoft may have jumped too far ahead in releasing their big expensive systems, Those high pricetags are already a problem, and they're going to have trouble bringing them down again. This wouldn't be a major problem, Except Nintendo's still around. Unless the Wii bombs, there's a chance they could be stuck for 10 years with normally weak Nintendo ready to drop a more powerful Wii2 at any moment.

Reguardless of what happens though, at the rate everyone's progressing I don't think we're going to go more than another generation or two before system lifespans start to increase again. The Tech has to outstrip the game designers ability to ulitize it sooner or later, right?

HAH! MS didn't try hard enough the 360 is barely a 2.0 console add the hardware failings and lack of BWC they have to do soemthign to fix all this unless they are working on a model 2 that will let you put the HD of your choice in and has full BWC working on a Xbox 2 now they are it should be out in 2-5 years,unless they start fixing everything they broke when they did the 360 they might as well pull a sega....

[Dagrak]

HAH! MS didn't try hard enough the 360 is barely a 2.0 console add the hardware failings and lack of BWC they have to do soemthign to fix all this unless they are working on a model 2 that will let you put the HD of your choice in and has full BWC working on a Xbox 2 now they are it should be out in 2-5 years,unless they start fixing everything they broke when they did the 360 they might as well pull a sega....

I really don't think you can compare the PS3 and 360 (strokes his lovely white box) to the Wii because they aren't really alike. Its like comparing Harry Potter to Lord of the Rings, they're both fantasy films but for different audiences/settings. The Wii is a less powerful system in terms of rendering hardware but it offers a different experience, that of the Wiimote. The 360 and PS3 cater primarily to a more adult market interested in gritty realism and games which aren't suited for the Wii. Its true that it seems the 360 and PS3 may have jumped the gun but I think they'll hold their own and the Wii will have its own individual market, after all most people say they're buying two consoles.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I really don't think you can compare the PS3 and 360 (strokes his lovely white box) to the Wii because they aren't really alike. Its like comparing Harry Potter to Lord of the Rings, they're both fantasy films but for different audiences/settings. The Wii is a less powerful system in terms of rendering hardware but it offers a different experience, that of the Wiimote. The 360 and PS3 cater primarily to a more adult market interested in gritty realism and games which aren't suited for the Wii. Its true that it seems the 360 and PS3 may have jumped the gun but I think they'll hold their own and the Wii will have its own individual market, after all most people say they're buying two consoles.
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*eyes you*
you can compare them simply because they are both game consoles however where the PS3 and 360 fail the WII triumphs the innovation in game play alone is worth the price even if the power is lacking over all the controls are what make the WII the god send of the 7th and 6th generation of consoles.

the 360 and PS3are a hodge podge of hardware and abilities losing ground in some areas gaining in others neither have learned much in the last 10 years of gaming this is why I am very hard on them they don't understand a game without good game play is not a game at all and a game with new looks but undermined gameplay is even worse......

[Dagrak]

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*eyes you*
you can compare them simply because they are both game consoles however where the PS3 and 360 fail the WII triumphs the innovation in game play alone is worth the price even if the power is lacking over all the controls are what make the WII the god send of the 7th and 6th generation of consoles.

the 360 and PS3are a hodge podge of hardware and abilities losing ground in some areas gaining in others neither have learned much in the last 10 years of gaming this is why I am very hard on them they don't understand a game without good game play is not a game at all and a game with new looks but undermined gameplay is even worse......

Well owning my 360 as I do I really don't see any point in the comparing argument. Whilst there are hardware differences what the Wii sets out to do and what the 360 and PS3 set out to do are almost totaly different. Sure they all play games but the Wii is looking at a younger audience and the use of different controls. The 360 is aiming for an older western audience and for those who like network play. The PS3 is looking at the Playstation devotees and hardcore gamers and is looking to try and cash in on the High Def war.

See whilst they may all have different specs and functions I'm put off the Wii because I'm in the European market and last time they gave us a few decent Gamecube games in the first year and then forgot we existed. Microsoft however just kept dishing out new games that I wanted every month or so. So I don't want a Wii at present because I'm worried its going to end up another dust collecting relic like my GC.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well owning my 360 as I do I really don't see any point in the comparing argument. Whilst there are hardware differences what the Wii sets out to do and what the 360 and PS3 set out to do are almost totaly different. Sure they all play games but the Wii is looking at a younger audience and the use of different controls. The 360 is aiming for an older western audience and for those who like network play. The PS3 is looking at the Playstation devotees and hardcore gamers and is looking to try and cash in on the High Def war.

See whilst they may all have different specs and functions I'm put off the Wii because I'm in the European market and last time they gave us a few decent Gamecube games in the first year and then forgot we existed. Microsoft however just kept dishing out new games that I wanted every month or so. So I don't want a Wii at present because I'm worried its going to end up another dust collecting relic like my GC.

lets face it if you are a gamer in the UK/EU import a system get a 20-40 euro converter and give up on the EU market only the PS3 is trying to go non region and even fails at that.

BTW are there different HD setups in the EU or is all the HD TV and such world wide non of the old pal/ntsc crap.



I know you can get all kinds of converters mostly simple component ntsc to pal converters power converters are also a dime a dozen.

But when you get above component I think things get more tricky.
But in the end you can for the 1/2 the price of most hardware just ""upgrade" to a US system importanting games is also cheaper msot of the time than paying 50-80 USD for a 40$ USD game.

[steelcobra]

Yaknow, they're all fairly high-quality machines, and I see this cycle playing out pretty much the same as the last one. Serious gamers will get all three, People looking to buy their kids a system will get the cheapest one, and there won't really be any winner or loser like the last few cycles.
Look at it this way:
PS1/N64 cycle: Atari Lynx, Sega saturn, and Jaguar all died
Dreamcast was killed by the PS2
And the current cycle's systems don't really seem to have any particular weakness beyond the now-standard release date sellouts.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yaknow, they're all fairly high-quality machines, and I see this cycle playing out pretty much the same as the last one. Serious gamers will get all three, People looking to buy their kids a system will get the cheapest one, and there won't really be any winner or loser like the last few cycles.
Look at it this way:
PS1/N64 cycle: Atari Lynx, Sega saturn, and Jaguar all died
Dreamcast was killed by the PS2
And the current cycle's systems don't really seem to have any particular weakness beyond the now-standard release date sellouts.

Meh if sega had the money they would have kept at it,the dreamcast died for being unable to continue.

If sega could have continued they and MS might have gone together and made the Xbox perhaps if they did sega would have not lost all of its rep like it has over the years.

I have thought about it and the PS3 is pretty much destined to be number one but tis piece of the pie is not much bigger than the other twos, MS has a good cult standing WII has its bases covered and the PS3 has its name rep from the PS2 days all in all its a 3 way tie but I am unhappy with the 360 disgruntled with the PS3 and just barely warm for the WII.
I dunno..mabye I am just sick of life *L*

[John]

Err, don't you need a PS3 to do this?? Too awkward.

Yes. Though I heard they were going to offer it without the PS3 as well. I dunno. But it's definitly incentive to buy a PS3 (for me, at least).

Yaknow, they're all fairly high-quality machines, and I see this cycle playing out pretty much the same as the last one. Serious gamers will get all three, People looking to buy their kids a system will get the cheapest one, and there won't really be any winner or loser like the last few cycles.
Look at it this way:
PS1/N64 cycle: Atari Lynx, Sega saturn, and Jaguar all died
Dreamcast was killed by the PS2
And the current cycle's systems don't really seem to have any particular weakness beyond the now-standard release date sellouts.

It's basically game console evolution.