Non-violent protest incites violent police response

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15752233/

A routine check of IDs?

Ok, it's 11 pm at night (I'm not sure how late this library is supposed to be open).

Now, here's the question:
Was he being carded because of his gender (because we all know that any male out alone that late at night must be out to commit a violent act against a female), or because of his assumed race (I don't see a picture in this article, but several factors lead me to believe that possibility, one being the justification of 11Sep2001 (that's the correct format according to my job :) )), or some other excuse?

Who needs a baton when you can shock those horribly violent non-violent protesters into submission?

Ok, a legitamate question is: why was he being asked to leave in the first place? Were the police carding everyone and not letting in anyone without an ID? Or did he do something prior to the cops asking for ID?

This should be interesting.

[bayushisan]

Where precisely did the article say anything about a protest? I read through it and didn't see anything.

I'm going to reserve opinion until more is released about what happened.

[beemoh]

Where precisely did the article say anything about a protest? I read through it and didn't see anything.

He protested to being asked to leave.

[nightwng2000]

He protested to being asked to leave.

Exactly. The "passive resistance" act of going limp, then screaming about the Patriot Act, was clearly a sign he was protesting. Whether it was what his original intent was or not, his actions at that moment speak of protest.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Watch the video on the right of the article. It clarifies some things.

[John]

Los Angeles student being shot with a stun gun by a police officer after he allegedly refused repeated requests to show his student identification and would not leave a campus library, university police said Wednesday.

As the officers attempted to escort him out, he went limp and continued to refuse to cooperate with officers or leave the building," Greenstein said. He encouraged others at the library to join his resistance, police said. When a crowd began to gather they used the stun gun on him.

Join the resistance? Of not showing your ID card?

I'll admit, stun gunning him was way out of line, but this guy just sounds like a dick to me.

[Sprngpilot]

Ok, a legitamate question is: why was he being asked to leave in the first place? Were the police carding everyone and not letting in anyone without an ID? Or did he do something prior to the cops asking for ID?

Many schools in the UC system have a policy of requesting ID from anyone entering important areas of campus (library, living quarters, etc.) after a certain time. This is done to protect students, as they have had problems with rape and assault in the past from suspects who simply stroll onto campus.

The general policy is that you must be a student and show ID, be accompanied by a student with ID, or the security checkpoint has to recieve a call from a student from a campus phone and give a detailed description of the intended guest (who also must answer questions at the security checkpoint).

The use of the stun gun in this case is borderline in my opinion; the cops may have been a little premature in using it but they should have zero tolerance for random people on campus without ID. The cops probably screwed up, but so did the stupid ass that they shocked. If he would have been more cooperative and less of a pain this wouldn't have happened.

[KN]

Sounds like your average "oh **** I forgot my ID card but I don't wanna get fined" stunt.

Happened once or twice here. Ok, without the stun guns.

[Ohma]

Exactly. The "passive resistance" act of going limp,

I doubt that his going limp had anything to do with any passive resistance on his part. The officers had shocked him more than once, or for over five seconds, it isn't uncommon for a person to be incopacitated for up to 15 minutes.

Also, here's the college newspaper's story. Though it is slightly biased (in the opposite direction of the MSNBC artical), their account is by far more detailed: Daily Bruin 1 (http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958)

and the followup: Daily Bruin 2 (http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960)

EDIT: *and* for over five seconds

[Thefremen]

I doubt that his going limp had anything to do with any passive resistance on his part. The officers had shocked him more than once, or for over five seconds, it isn't uncommon for a person to be incopacitated for up to 15 minutes.

Also, here's the college newspaper's story. Though it is slightly biased (in the opposite direction of the MSNBC artical), their account is by far more detailed: Daily Bruin 1 (http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958)

and the followup: Daily Bruin 2 (http://www.dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38960)

EDIT: *and* for over five seconds

THanks for the links.

[wxDiva]

I could understand the campus police trying to detain someone who isn't showing their ID (due to after-hours safety and such), but shocking the guy? I could understand strong-arming him, but this should be considered excessive force.

[Thefremen]

I could understand the campus police trying to detain someone who isn't showing their ID (due to after-hours safety and such), but shocking the guy? I could understand strong-arming him, but this should be considered excessive force.

Quite frankly, I'm shocked.

[SlyFox]

I could understand the campus police trying to detain someone who isn't showing their ID (due to after-hours safety and such), but shocking the guy? I could understand strong-arming him, but this should be considered excessive force.

Shocked is when I shuffle against a plastic chair and produce a 1cm electrical arc of static charge from my finger tip to my dormmate beside me. This is a taser that send who knows how many volts/amps through the body. For a very mild example, try putting an active joybuzzer to your forehead. Ouch.

But yeah, this is really overkill.

[KN]

But yeah, this is really overkill.

But it's AWESOME overkill. Let us not forget that.

[Ohma]

Quite frankly, I'm shocked.

I'm not (very punny btw). My experience with campus police is that they're over paid, under worked, and too busy cruising around the LCC parking lot looking for cars to ticket to answer their frakking phone (even on their emergency line!) so that we can tell them to lock up the building we just finished setting up for tomorrow.
Then they have the nerve to bitch at us the next day for not telling them that we were done! :mad:

[Thefremen]

I'm not (very punny btw). My experience with campus police is that they're over paid, under worked, and too busy cruising around the LCC parking lot looking for cars to ticket to answer their frakking phone (even on their emergency line!) so that we can tell them to lock up the building we just finished setting up for tomorrow.
Then they have the nerve to bitch at us the next day for not telling them that we were done! :mad:

And what's worse, when people come on campus that are like "rapetimerapetimerapetime" they almost never see or do anything useful.

[KN]

And what's worse, when people come on campus that are like "rapetimerapetimerapetime" they almost never see or do anything useful.

http://www.hobobucket.com/b/rapetiem.jpg