Vista gaming will be 10 to 15 per cent slower than XP

[ZippyDSMlee]

Vister is bad unless you are willing to only run the audio and video they want you to run,never plan on reinstalling it at least without a call in EVERY TIME,its DRM and protection system is on a hardware and software level...this coemign from a company that ant get all DVDs to run "legitmently" off XP media player...vista is not virtual environment friendly...in fact it dosent work....no vister on mac anytime soon.

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/4/308662#2547458
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34915

[Demontestament]

Vister is bad unless you are willing to only run the audio and video they want you to run,never plan on reinstalling it at least without a call in EVERY TIME,its DRM and protection system is on a hardware and software level...this coemign from a company that ant get all DVDs to run "legitmently" off XP media player...vista is not virtual environment friendly...in fact it dosent work....no vister on mac anytime soon.

http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/4/308662#2547458
http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34915

Just another way for Microsoft to make more money. Soon they will put out some sort of upgrade for vista that you need for anything to run smoothly, and knowing them they will sell it for a couple hundred dollars and then make it to where people don't have a choice to buy it because nothing will run correctly without it, including office 2007 which comes with Vista.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Just another way for Microsoft to make more money. Soon they will put out some sort of upgrade for vista that you need for anything to run smoothly, and knowing them they will sell it for a couple hundred dollars and then make it to where people don't have a choice to buy it because nothing will run correctly without it, including office 2007 which comes with Vista.

Ya even if you got the uberness of a PC you have to "call in" reinstalls,video and audio are locked down..its jsut not pretty...

[KN]

Grrrrrreat.... and the selling point was that gaming would be BETTER on it >_>

[Demontestament]

Ya even if you got the uberness of a PC you have to "call in" reinstalls,video and audio are locked down..its jsut not pretty...

Lol I can see the call in's now

Customer Service Rep: "Thank you for calling Microsoft where World Domination..err I mean Customer Service is what we are about. This is Louie how may I help you"

Poor Vista User: "Yeah I am trying to run <insert game title here> but this Vista OS is making it run like it was on a 486, what the hell is wrong with it.

Rep: "Well sir it sounds like you haven't purchased our newest upgrade where it will allow your games to run like they were on a P2 that was urinated on by Satan Himself. It is yours for $299.99 and the soul of your first born"

Vista User: "I don't have that kind of money to blow on a ****ty upgrade that will make my computer run a little faster, my god I can feel it draining my soul while I look at the screen."

Rep: "Well sir <Video Game Title> is also on the X-box 360 you could always buy one of those and the game will run smoothly."

User: "How much will that cost me?"

Rep: "Well if you are Hardcore you will want to do our $500.00 package which comes with the 360 and a controler. Plus the game will be another $50.00 and then shipping will be another $75.00 and since you are on the East Coast we will have to post on a Embargo tax."

User: *cocks gun* "You....have to be joking, how in the hell do you people sleep at night?"

Rep: "Now lets talk Radioactive Polar Bear Insurance"

User: *Gun shot then dead air*

[ZippyDSMlee]

I have no doubt gaming will be better* in 2 or 3 years once the inks are worked out....or removed....but...










better*= being more or less the same for DX9 ,since the boost in hardware vista will eat.

now you could run vista in a low graphic/detail mode and have it on a PC by itself for gaming....0MG...I found the 360 2 0-o its bigger badder more customizable and throughly unusable 0-o
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Demontestament
I gotta say MS is the one that made the whole *go on line to find information on getting on line* thing,now there going to do it with the OS itself......

[beemoh]

Moral of the story?

Someone needs to work out a way of emulating DX10 on Windows XP. Or a non-Windows OS.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Moral of the story?

Someone needs to work out a way of emulating DX10 on Windows XP. Or a non-Windows OS.

well on lunix they can and they cant..they can dev it but cant release it till MS gives the ok on a new contract.

as for XP.....it will be amusing if a bunch of hobbyist programmers dose just that for XP....

I think vista will be "fixed" before DX10 is on a non vista OS...


this is how I see them fixing vista,frist off they will stop WGA and its on line tattle telling little brother,from there they can fix video and audio,this of coarse means no updates to fix that people will share "update packs".
MS is fighting a losing battle with the mafaa holding a gun to tis back.....

[Thefremen]

I benched RC1 v SP2 and my numbers were within 1% between the two. Same 'puter, same everything.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I benched RC1 v SP2 and my numbers were within 1% between the two. Same 'puter, same everything.

if PCs were only all so simple.
If anything anyone with a older 64bit CPU and less than 1GB of ram should avoid vister like the plague,of coarse you can run vister but the audio and vidoe locks with the messing around with dvd burning.....its not worth it....

[Thefremen]

if PCs were only all so simple.
If anything anyone with a older 64bit CPU and less than 1GB of ram should avoid vister like the plague,of coarse you can run vister but the audio and vidoe locks with the messing around with dvd burning.....its not worth it....

Why must you make me into a fanboy? The DRM only applies to content with locks in it, IE: blu-ray & HD-DVD, regular old DVD will be as rippable as ever asaik.

[Tollwutig]

if PCs were only all so simple.
If anything anyone with a older 64bit CPU and less than 1GB of ram should avoid vister like the plague,of coarse you can run vister but the audio and vidoe locks with the messing around with dvd burning.....its not worth it....

Actually PCs are quite simple. You just have to know what you're doing. :D


I'm running Vista RC1 and XP SP2 in a tri-boot system. Except in some areas where drivers aren't there yet Vista has the same performance as XP.

Oh and I'm running an Athlon x64 2200, with 2 GB RAM and A GForce 6800 GT 128 MB video card. So I am running one of your "older" x64 processors.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Why must you make me into a fanboy? The DRM only applies to content with locks in it, IE: blu-ray & HD-DVD, regular old DVD will be as rippable as ever asaik.

from everything I have seen.....audio and video are locked down to play only DRM'd Audio and video....


toll
well you do have 2G of memory that makes up for most of it.

[Tollwutig]

from everything I have seen.....audio and video are locked down to play only DRM'd Audio and video....


Well you are wrong on that one, as you can turn off adding DRM in Media Player 11 when ripping music. Also my mp3 library has 0 DRM and Vista plays just about all of them fine.

Now given I did have some DRM encoded mp3s which the license revoked on but its easy enough to replace them.

I think you over fear DRM.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well you are wrong on that one, as you can turn off adding DRM in Media Player 11 when ripping music. Also my mp3 library has 0 DRM and Vista plays just about all of them fine.

Now given I did have some DRM encoded mp3s which the license revoked on but its easy enough to replace them.

I think you over fear DRM.

that or I mis understood where there going with vista.
everything I heard points to full video lock down,of coarse I been wondering if they did that wouldn't it kinda kill windose 0-o

[Tollwutig]

that or I mis understood where there going with vista.
everything I heard points to full video lock down,of coarse I been wondering if they did that wouldn't it kinda kill windose 0-o

Quit listening to e-rumors, esp from the Linux/Mac crowd. Using RC1 and working on getting FR from a friend who has MSDN. Microsoft isn't going to lock down Video and Audio, for it would kill Windows against Mac OSX.

Do you reasonably believe that with Mac OSX being so Video and Audio capable and that being one of its biggest selling points, that Microsoft would release Vista with Audio and Video practically disabled? Just think about that.

[kurisu7885]

Quit listening to e-rumors, esp from the Linux/Mac crowd. Using RC1 and working on getting FR from a friend who has MSDN. Microsoft isn't going to lock down Video and Audio, for it would kill Windows against Mac OSX.

Do you reasonably believe that with Mac OSX being so Video and Audio capable and that being one of its biggest selling points, that Microsoft would release Vista with Audio and Video practically disabled? Just think about that.

If anything, it'd be smarter for Microsoft to at least attempt to match what Mac OS can do.

[Silver_Derstin]

Do you reasonably believe that with Mac OSX being so Video and Audio capable and that being one of its biggest selling points, that Microsoft would release Vista with Audio and Video practically disabled? Just think about that.

Afterall, MS is not Sony. I mean, really...

[Theory?]

Performance or not, Microsoft has a bit of a vicegrip on your balls with Vista gaming because they've done all this "seamless integration with the 360" BS. I'll be getting Vista, I'll play gmes on it, and its gonna rule.

Personally I think the new stuff is pretty cool. I saw the 360 controller for the compy. If they made that wireless, I'd build a media center and just boot my games from my couch and play. That would be slick as hell.

[Demontestament]

If anything, it'd be smarter for Microsoft to at least attempt to match what Mac OS can do.

Work?

Damn too short messages.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Quit listening to e-rumors, esp from the Linux/Mac crowd. Using RC1 and working on getting FR from a friend who has MSDN. Microsoft isn't going to lock down Video and Audio, for it would kill Windows against Mac OSX.

Do you reasonably believe that with Mac OSX being so Video and Audio capable and that being one of its biggest selling points, that Microsoft would release Vista with Audio and Video practically disabled? Just think about that.

I been listening to the Unix crowrd :P HOO HA! :P

Anyway since MS is the next best thing to big brother in black boots they could try it and might get away with it..MIGHT but still....I was always wondering soemthign here dosent sound right...anti copying is one thing locking down the OS is another.



Silver_Derstin
Mmmm they have better reasearch groups to undo what the suits do befor the suits get things released...at least most of the time they do..

kurisu7885
MS is to busy pleasing themselfs and thier new biger badder black booted brother than to care what the consumers want or need or what another OS can do...basically they is Sony..

[Thefremen]

Actually PCs are quite simple. You just have to know what you're doing. :D


I'm running Vista RC1 and XP SP2 in a tri-boot system. Except in some areas where drivers aren't there yet Vista has the same performance as XP.

Oh and I'm running an Athlon x64 2200, with 2 GB RAM and A GForce 6800 GT 128 MB video card. So I am running one of your "older" x64 processors.

Thank God someone else who isn't a /b/-tard about this so I can sound sane and not like a fan-boy. BTW, to reply to what you said down below about Linux/Mac os peeps, those are some annoying fan boys.

Oh and zippy you can use Vista or you can not for all I care just don't go around spreading retarded lies created by Unix fans who dress in costumes of their favorite distro and **** each other. "Oh God slaxware your penis is so big!" "Mmmmm, mac osx your breasts are so stable and supple...".

[Tollwutig]

Thank God someone else who isn't a /b/-tard about this so I can sound sane and not like a fan-boy. BTW, to reply to what you said down below about Linux/Mac os peeps, those are some annoying fan boys.

Oh and zippy you can use Vista or you can not for all I care just don't go around spreading retarded lies created by Unix fans who dress in costumes of their favorite distro and **** each other. "Oh God slaxware your penis is so big!" "Mmmmm, mac osx your breasts are so stable and supple...".

I have to say Linux fanboys are typically the worst of the lot.

Oh and here is a message for all the Linux fanboys, LINUX CAN BE HACKED, it IS NOT HACKER PROOF. Corporations spend MILLIONS of DOLLARS to KEEP LINUX SECURE in their environments.

Anyways thats what I like about the group I work with, we all know that the different OS's have their place in the game, and don't feel one is ultimately superior to the others in everything.

Oh and by the way Novell and Microsoft have reached an agreement on Enterprise SUSE Linux and Windows Environments. One of the things they are working to integrate is the Domain Directories.

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/204252.pdf

[Thefremen]

I have to say Linux fanboys are typically the worst of the lot.

Oh and here is a message for all the Linux fanboys, LINUX CAN BE HACKED, it IS NOT HACKER PROOF. Corporations spend MILLIONS of DOLLARS to KEEP LINUX SECURE in their environments.

Anyways thats what I like about the group I work with, we all know that the different OS's have their place in the game, and don't feel one is ultimately superior to the others in everything.

Oh and by the way Novell and Microsoft have reached an agreement on Enterprise SUSE Linux and Windows Environments. One of the things they are working to integrate is the Domain Directories.

http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/204252.pdf

The main reason noone hacks linux is there's no way in hell you can get any money from it, and the black hat hackers that do it for the hell of it are all linux fanboys anyways. So it's basically a combination of good will and no profit motive.

Macs are going to see some viruses pretty soon since Apple is gaining in marketshare, then maybe we'll finally stop hearing quite so much from the damned Mac fans.

[ZippyDSMlee]

SO your saying MS is not arrogant enough to lock down vid and audio?
Sure once they fig out they would kill themselfs from it they wouldn't go thru with it but they would think about it.

anyway my bad I thought Audio and vid was locked down.

[Tollwutig]

SO your saying MS is not arrogant enough to lock down vid and audio?
Sure once they fig out they would kill themselfs from it they wouldn't go thru with it but they would think about it.

anyway my bad I thought Audio and vid was locked down.

No they aren't stupid enough to do it. You don't become the most common OS by being stupid.

[KN]

Doing that would be a Sony thing, "We're Sony, **** PANTS!"

[ZippyDSMlee]

No they aren't stupid enough to do it. You don't become the most common OS by being stupid.

True they are rather sneaky :P

[Thefremen]

Doing that would be a Sony thing, "We're Sony, **** PANTS!"

According to insiders it went liek this:

MS: hai guys whuts up can we haves some blu-ray and HD-DVD?
Hollywood: will u haves the DRM lockdown on its?

MS: lols no wai!

Hollywood: no drm means no HD formats!

MS: Imma chargin ma laser! Nm we give drm on hd-dvd and blu-ray that has it k thx bai.

Hollywood: lols like we make stuffs without drm to **** over the consumer!

Doesn't the new protection scheme violate fair use? HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will die.

[ZippyDSMlee]

According to insiders it went liek this:

MS: hai guys whuts up can we haves some blu-ray and HD-DVD?
Hollywood: will u haves the DRM lockdown on its?

MS: lols no wai!

Hollywood: no drm means no HD formats!

MS: Imma chargin ma laser! Nm we give drm on hd-dvd and blu-ray that has it k thx bai.

Hollywood: lols like we make stuffs without drm to **** over the consumer!

Doesn't the new protection scheme violate fair use? HD-DVD and Blu-Ray will die.

DVD encryption, DRM and copy protection in itself are anti fair use, yet fair use might be law,it dose not have lobbiests....

[Tollwutig]

True they are rather sneaky :P

Zippy you need to quit listening to Linux fanboys who think Microsoft is the root of all evil..

[ZippyDSMlee]

Zippy you need to quit listening to Linux fanboys who think Microsoft is the root of all evil..

not all evil just most publicized evil :P

[Thefremen]

DVD encryption, DRM and copy protection in itself are anti fair use, yet fair use might be law,it dose not have lobbiests....

Well dvds got cracked in 5 minutes. At any rate, EFF does its best.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well dvds got cracked in 5 minutes. At any rate, EFF does its best.

BR has been cracked as well, HDMI not just yet,HDVD they are wrking on it *L*,I mean they are fighting a losing battle spending billions on copy protection when they would do better to sell stuff cheaper..

[Thefremen]

BR has been cracked as well, HDMI not just yet,HDVD they are wrking on it *L*,I mean they are fighting a losing battle spending billions on copy protection when they would do better to sell stuff cheaper..

Well that's what they're doing in China so all we need to do is pirate as much stuff as they do there and we'll get $5-$10 dvds!

[MisterS]

get off mr. spam!! if i want a good website for gamers, i'll find it myself!

[MisterS]

haha! so long spammer!

[KN]

We need a prescription drug spam bot for Mister S here, it seems =/

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well that's what they're doing in China so all we need to do is pirate as much stuff as they do there and we'll get $5-$10 dvds!

Isnt the reason why its cheaper there is because the minuim wage is so low? 0_o

[Thefremen]

Isnt the reason why its cheaper there is because the minuim wage is so low? 0_o

Well it was 5-10 before but to combat piracy they lowered em to 1.5-2.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well it was 5-10 before but to combat piracy they lowered em to 1.5-2.

But sicne china has themselfs been hit with out soruceign to the lowest bidder have they not lowered thier wages even more? or are they simply more cheap and less willing to to deal with the media mafaa *L*

[ZippyDSMlee]

Ok its time once again to fill knowledge into zippys little head...no not that one..the full time thinking one..

Vista

Preformance:needs more ramm(512 just to get it running) but a 64bit CPU around 2Mhz will do it.

Video: at least a DX9 card of 128 MB for basic basic video,a 256MB card for running basic gaming and the newer GUI.

The New DRM is only for newer encryption technologies and maybe reg DVD.

DVD/CD burning was disabled and now working.

have at least 20GB ready for it to play with.

am I missing anyhting?

[Thefremen]

Ok its time once again to fill knowledge into zippys little head...no not that one..the full time thinking one..

Vista

Preformance:needs more ramm(512 just to get it running) but a 64bit CPU around 2Mhz will do it.

Video: at least a DX9 card of 128 MB for basic basic video,a 256MB card for running basic gaming and the newer GUI.

The New DRM is only for newer encryption technologies and maybe reg DVD.

DVD/CD burning was disabled and now working.

have at least 20GB ready for it to play with.

am I missing anyhting?

I'm pretty sure you need a 2Ghz CPU, even Linux would need at least a 66mhz cpu (like a 486dx iirc).

[KN]

512mb is the bare minimum for XP. Vista just won't WANT to install on anything with less than 1GB RAM.

[SlyFox]

512mb is the bare minimum for XP. Vista just won't WANT to install on anything with less than 1GB RAM.

I don't know... I once had XP going on only 256MB. Of course now it's going on a gig and it still gives me random physical memory dumps after about an hour of playing almost any game or an hour of using the tv card application. Me thinks there is a hardware error causing a memory leak or something.

[Theory?]

With both XP and Vista (I'm assuming), meeting the minimum specs will allow your computer to boot, and not a lot more. When I built my first XP box, I was being a total cheapskate and got the bare minimum for XP (and I mean BARE minimum, as in my computer specs could be found on the side of the XP box), and I abandoned the box after a week. Then I saved up some more money and got better parts and then it ran like a dream.

I have one final upgrade to make to acheive the 2in1. It's gonna cos me $1500, bringing the total cost of this box to be...um...too much.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I'm pretty sure you need a 2Ghz CPU, even Linux would need at least a 66mhz cpu (like a 486dx iirc).

I ment 2Ghz *noogies*



Theory?
I have run XP on a 586 450Mhz ADMk6 with 128ramm it wont install to it but it will run on it if you swap the HD,theres a install minim XP had it would run on slower stuff but it didn't want to install on it I see vister as the same as long as they dont tell it not to run on anything less.

[Theory?]

Well they do that on purpose. This is one of the rare cases where I trust Microsoft's decision. Like I said, I had big issues with the minimum requirements for XP, and anything lower would be unimaginable worse, so I think Microsoft tells the OS's not to install on lesser hardware for the sake of saving you a lot of greif...which unfortunately has nothing to do with saving you money, but at least Microsoft doesn't profit from the hardware you buy.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well they do that on purpose. This is one of the rare cases where I trust Microsoft's decision. Like I said, I had big issues with the minimum requirements for XP, and anything lower would be unimaginable worse, so I think Microsoft tells the OS's not to install on lesser hardware for the sake of saving you a lot of greif...which unfortunately has nothing to do with saving you money, but at least Microsoft doesn't profit from the hardware you buy.

By teaming up with manufacturers they kinda do however haveing better real world specs is a good thing.

[Tollwutig]

Zippy, please remember a lot of Vista's visual elements can be turned off in order to improve performance.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Zippy, please remember a lot of Vista's visual elements can be turned off in order to improve performance.

Please remember the new GUI will not function to well on a lesser video card....

I said
"Video: at least a DX9 card of 128 MB for basic basic video,a 256MB card for running basic gaming and the newer GUI."

you need to refresh on urrr zippy speak :rolleyes:

Anyway yes the new GUI is a option on the non home versions its not on the home versions,least not the low end home versions.

[Theory?]

Until I read that Vista kicks XP's ass to the concrete and slept with it's mother twice in the same night, I wouldn't recommend getting the low-end version of Vista.

[KN]

Until I read that Vista kicks XP's ass to the concrete and slept with it's mother twice in the same night, I wouldn't recommend getting the low-end version of Vista.

Nobody wants the low end Vista. It gives one leprosy.

[Theory?]

Nobody wants the low end Vista. It gives one leprosy.

Yeah, I'm goin all out. I may even ::gasp:: BUY it.

[beemoh]

Nobody wants the low end Vista. It gives one leprosy.

That's some strict DRM.

[Theory?]

That's some strict DRM.

They have a different DRM is Amsterdam. Microsoft's Netherlands development team isn't restricted by US law, so they get to include leprosy in the European distro.

[KN]

I dunno, they might've removed the leprosy from the final build and replaced it with a face-mauling bear.

[Theory?]

I dunno, they might've removed the leprosy from the final build and replaced it with a face-mauling bear.

That just reminds me of that scene from Family Guy:

Peter: Oh, I got an e-mail from Mr. Pewterscmidt. ::click:: ::POW!::

[Yukimura]

Hey all, I'm working with the RC 2 beta right now, and thought i'd share my experanice for Zippy.

So far, it's fairly stable, runs well with 2 gigs, but it runs best if you have a Good vid card and processor. I'm running amd 64 on mine, 3000 series, and it's nice.

Gaming wise, DX 10 runs very well now that the RC 2 was updated to take care of some of the memory crash issues.

On the other hand, be advised that some programs do not currently run on Vista. Specificly, vista rc 2 requires Digital drivers for everything, so any none signed software will give you problems. Also be advised that if you have games with StarForce protection, don't even bother, as SFSsys.exe will crash your vista on boot up, though if you load "Last Known good", it works fine and you can uninstall the offending software.

so far, 95 percent of my games run fine on it, however, free software such as Spybot, Adaware, Svg, and others are still being worked on. Also, Burning software such as Nero, and Certain ISO software, like Poweriso, are also unstable.

Overall, Vista can be adjusted to suit the needs of each user, or can be run normally with very little issue. It's also got great recovery systems and some decent built in malware security.

Basicly, try out RC 2 if you can and see how your system handles it.

If it works on your system, The final release of vista will to!

And remember, as the Zippy used to say.

I'm Fuzzy bwained MEW!:D

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hey all, I'm working with the RC 2 beta right now, and thought i'd share my experanice for Zippy.

So far, it's fairly stable, runs well with 2 gigs, but it runs best if you have a Good vid card and processor. I'm running amd 64 on mine, 3000 series, and it's nice.

Gaming wise, DX 10 runs very well now that the RC 2 was updated to take care of some of the memory crash issues.

On the other hand, be advised that some programs do not currently run on Vista. Specificly, vista rc 2 requires Digital drivers for everything, so any none signed software will give you problems. Also be advised that if you have games with StarForce protection, don't even bother, as SFSsys.exe will crash your vista on boot up, though if you load "Last Known good", it works fine and you can uninstall the offending software.

so far, 95 percent of my games run fine on it, however, free software such as Spybot, Adaware, Svg, and others are still being worked on. Also, Burning software such as Nero, and Certain ISO software, like Poweriso, are also unstable.

Overall, Vista can be adjusted to suit the needs of each user, or can be run normally with very little issue. It's also got great recovery systems and some decent built in malware security.

Basicly, try out RC 2 if you can and see how your system handles it.

If it works on your system, The final release of vista will to!

And remember, as the Zippy used to say.

I'm Fuzzy bwained MEW!:D

nods nods verys verys fuzzies brained mew 0-o *L*

love to try vister but I am on sat net and doing a 2GB downlaod is near immpossable 0-o

SO I see VIster is only half the beast it was rumored to be *L*

[Thefremen]

I'm glad to hear about starforce. I wonder what their official forums say about that?

[Tollwutig]

I'm glad to hear about starforce. I wonder what their official forums say about that?

Me too maybe microsoft woke up and nailed that coffin shut. Or maybe they got tired of tech support calls caused by starforce killing thier OS.

[Thefremen]

Me too maybe microsoft woke up and nailed that coffin shut. Or maybe they got tired of tech support calls caused by starforce killing thier OS.

NM, a quick trip to the Starforce headquarters reveals it didn't work because it was a non signed driver. It has now been "Fixed" to work with Vista. Personally, I'd like the option of a checkbox in MS malware killa or whatever they call it that could zap that bitch. When I had starforce on my system (ghost recon IIRC) it kept my BF2 disk from validating, and turned several cd burnings into coasters.

I'm disspointed at MS for supporting these assholes, but I think it does say something that this issue was not addressed until very very late on in the beta. I hate starforce and any other form of DRM that is a big **** you to paying customers and has no support whatsoever for people who've been ****ed.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Unless you want me to make a general Vista new thread I wil post any worth while tid bits I come across here


http://www.geeknewscentral.com/archives/006612.html


Vista limits recording video from TV cards and the placement of media on external devices

""It is rumored that those devices that are aka certified as media extenders by Microsoft will be able to be granted download rights as the Xbox 360 does but for now if you want to push videos to other computers in your home you will be restricted from doing this.

This also means pushing that recorded content to a portable media player will be restricted as well. There is no doubt in my mind that Microsoft and all the other big players are so deep in the media industries pockets that consumer rights will continue to be eroded to the point where we will have to ask permission someday to turn a TV on.

With the restrictions CableLabs has placed on vendors, and the cable companies demanding control not to mention how the DMCA has been abused to the loss of consumers it’s surprising that anything even works. ""
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