View Full Version : Cellphone ban makes parents ANGRY!
Silver_Derstin
11-14-2006, 10:34 PM
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/14/cellphone.ban.ap/index.html
What is it with people and cellphone? I can understand that some adults need them (prostitutes, businessmen, people without home phones for credit reasons...), but KIDS? If you want to talk to your kids, you can wait til they come back home, no? And if they're in trouble, can't they take care of themselves if it's nothing too serious. If the worst really happens, do you think a cellphone will really save them?
And I just like the Appeal to 9/11 at the end. I'm sure this is going to become the newest logical fallacy in the future...
Thefremen
11-14-2006, 10:54 PM
Sounds like they didn't ban Ham Radios tho, which is crazy. These days, so many kids are learning morse code and sending messages to each other on the 2 meter band.
I mean, yeah you can argue that by passing the tech test they're learning about electricity and radio waves but they can learn that in alchemy class.
wxDiva
11-14-2006, 11:04 PM
Sounds like they didn't ban Ham Radios tho, which is crazy. These days, so many kids are learning morse code and sending messages to each other on the 2 meter band.
I mean, yeah you can argue that by passing the tech test they're learning about electricity and radio waves but they can learn that in alchemy class.
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nightwng2000
11-14-2006, 11:15 PM
I can actually understand both sides in this argument.
Cell phones these days can be a distraction. Games and text messaging really are good points to make in favor of banning from schools. Much in the same vein as banning handheld games (like PSP, Gameboys, and others) from school would be a good idea, at least in some student's cases.
But, though 9/11 may be a bit much, depending on where one lives, some parents may be more concerned about the safety of their children and the ability to reach them at certain times. Or their children reaching them also. School violence, like the recent school shootings, is definitely a valid argument. Especially in schools with large student populations. And accidents or crime that is reported on TV or radio tends to freak out some parents when they hear it. Even a text message saying "I'm ok" (just as I wrote that I thought of the Colorado shooting, but I just randomly thought of writing it, I swear) can make a parent feel better.
If I were to give my son a cell phone right now, it would probably be the Leapfrog Tic-Talk which allows parents to set a great many limits on the cell phone. He is, after all, only 10, almost 11. But I'm not sure right now and I know that if I did get him one, it wouldn't be a "real" cell phone without parental limits that I would get him.
nightwng2000
11-14-2006, 11:17 PM
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I hate morse code as much as I hate braille.
Thefremen
11-14-2006, 11:19 PM
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Either that was American Morse code or just very very odd. O.o
Silver_Derstin
11-14-2006, 11:21 PM
Either that was American Morse code or just very very odd. O.o
American morse code is the only language I speak.... IN AMERICA!
Garbage Pail Kid
11-14-2006, 11:22 PM
I don't have a problem with wanting students to turn off cellphones in class. I do have a problem with random bag searches. That's too much.
Ace_ofspade
11-14-2006, 11:27 PM
American morse code is the only language I speak.... IN AMERICA!
My hair has approved your pop-culture reference!
nightwng2000
11-15-2006, 12:07 AM
I don't have a problem with wanting students to turn off cellphones in class. I do have a problem with random bag searches. That's too much.
It's the strip searches that are going over the top.
Thefremen
11-15-2006, 12:20 AM
It's the strip searches that are going over the top.
And the body cavity searches performed by people who have not had a background check done on them, that's just not a good idea.
Samson Effect
11-15-2006, 12:29 AM
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LIEK OMG DID U READ MY BLOG ?
For anyone that cares for a translation.
As far as my take goes? Banning phones in SCHOOLS, probably not workable, as you get the whole searching at random junk. No phones in CLASSES could be workable, have the students put them in their lockers, bags with ringers off, and if they're caught in class with one, you take it from them for either the duration of the class, or the school day.
ANd yeah, appeal to 9/11? Seriously, hax.
wxDiva
11-15-2006, 01:00 AM
My high school had an easy solution for that: Cellphones couldn't get a signal in the building, and since we were in the middle of nowhere, students couldn't leave the building during the day.
kurisu7885
11-15-2006, 01:03 AM
My high school had an easy solution for that: Cellphones couldn't get a signal in the building, and since we were in the middle of nowhere, students couldn't leave the building during the day.
There's also this paneling that's I think iron plating sandwiched between wood panels to make it look like normal wire panelling, basically, it blocks cell phone signals legally, since elctronic jamming of cell phones is illegal.
I hate and detest cell phones.
It has something to do with 7 year olds having them, and the idiotic conversations most people use them for.
kurisu7885
11-15-2006, 08:02 AM
I hate and detest cell phones.
It has something to do with 7 year olds having them, and the idiotic conversations most people use them for.
Try havign two peopel with walkie talkie phones talkign to each otheru sing those from 20 ****ing feet away, in other words across a book store.
Cecil475
11-15-2006, 08:28 AM
It's the strip searches that are going over the top.
huh?
- Warren Lewis
Demontestament
11-15-2006, 10:56 AM
"These all-out bans brought on by life's minor inconveniences hint at thoughtless fascism," said one parent in an e-mail.
:eek: OMG Fascism!!!! Please people the school has every right to ban them, and they should. I mean have you seen the dumbasses texting during class when they should you know....be learning ****. But I guess I am a Facist too.
"These kids are students, not prisoners," wrote another parent, whose daughter travels from their home in Brooklyn to school in Manhattan
Exactly, key word here moron is STUDENT, they are there to learn not text their girl friends on what parties they went too last night and how many boys/girls they ****ed.
Bloomberg argues that phones can help students cheat and waste time in class by playing games and sending text messages. On the more sinister side, he believes they help gangs organize criminal activity.
The damned you say? Well ok I don't know about gangs organizing **** like that, can their tiny minds harness how to text?
"The reality is that the NYC subway system is vulnerable to terrorist attack," said the parent of a ninth-grader. "When we have so little control over these horrific incidents, and must continue to live our lives (as Mayor Bloomberg suggests we do), something as simple and basic as cell phone contact with our children should not be up for negotiation."
OMG Terrorism! Sorry there pal but ten to one if your kid was in a Terrorist attack they would be dead before they could call home, or if it was a hostage type thing Mr. Hostage taker would put a bullet inside your kids head if he even saw him talking on the phone. A cell phone will not help you in a Terrorist attack, unless it is some sort of ****ing McGuiver phone where it can difuse a bomb, handle hostage negotiations, shoot eye beams, kill terrorists, surf myspace, and double as an easy bake oven.
Demontestament
11-15-2006, 11:03 AM
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What did you just say about my mother?
Tollwutig
11-15-2006, 11:23 AM
There is zero reason to have a cell phone in school... period. I do agree though an out right ban is next to impossible. Really the most workable solution would be wxDiva's idea of just blocking the signals inside of school buildings... this is done 2 fold:
1) Use a city ordinance preventing Cell phone towers within a certain distance of school buildings. ( a half a mile should work)
2) Line the walls of the school building with a Faraday Cage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Cage) . Simple and it would block all cell phone signals inside the school rendering them useless.
Confiscate any cell phones found in the class rooms. If you carry it to school it goes in the locker or in areas where there are no lockers the teachers desk.
Also appealing the whole terrorist attack thing is a Strawman attack. On 9/11/2001 the phone circuits were so overwhelmed that as far south as North Carolina Cell phones couldn't get a line so basically so this person can call thier kid someone may not be able to call for emergency assistance.
Holy **** Toll.. did you just use proper date formatting?
*hugs* Thank youu ^^
But yeah, I don't see why a cellphone is that necessary in school. I never got a proper answer from people about that either.
Tollwutig
11-15-2006, 12:28 PM
Holy **** Toll.. did you just use proper date formatting?
*hugs* Thank youu ^^
But yeah, I don't see why a cellphone is that necessary in school. I never got a proper answer from people about that either.
Actually proper date formatting would be 11/09/2001 :D
There is no reason for cell phones IN schools. I can think of a few reasons for cell phones to and from school.
Silver_Derstin
11-15-2006, 12:31 PM
Toll, thank you for such an awesome post. You read my mind and put my thoughts into words.
kurisu7885
11-15-2006, 12:41 PM
2) Line the walls of the school building with a Faraday Cage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faraday_Cage) . Simple and it would block all cell phone signals inside the school rendering them useless.
Problem is alot of schools aren't willing to spend that kind of money.
Aaaand fixed:
Problem is alot of schools aren't willing to lose all the money they get from reselling confiscated cell phones
kurisu7885
11-15-2006, 12:53 PM
KN, as pissed I am that you messed with my words, my monitor barely avoided a cola bath.
Reminds me of how a friend ofm ine had her Ipod confiscated the day before she left for vacation.
My hair has approved your pop-culture reference!
Oh no! My voice was too late!
EDIT: HOLY CRAP THIS THREAD HAS MORE THAN ONE PAGE!
Silver_Derstin
11-15-2006, 01:21 PM
Oh no! My voice was too late!
EDIT: HOLY CRAP THIS THREAD HAS MORE THAN ONE PAGE!
If you had paid attention, you would have noticed... IN AMERICA!
If you had paid attention, you would have noticed... IN AMERICA!
Brains!
One word replies are bad for you kids.
wxDiva
11-15-2006, 01:36 PM
What's rather odd about the high school and cell phones is that the builiding was constructed in the mid 80's...before cellphones were used by most people. I don't think it's any wiring that is the cause for this, but probably how thick the walls are. Cinderblocks ftw.
Thefremen
11-15-2006, 02:28 PM
LIEK OMG DID U READ MY BLOG ?
For anyone that cares for a translation.
As far as my take goes? Banning phones in SCHOOLS, probably not workable, as you get the whole searching at random junk. No phones in CLASSES could be workable, have the students put them in their lockers, bags with ringers off, and if they're caught in class with one, you take it from them for either the duration of the class, or the school day.
ANd yeah, appeal to 9/11? Seriously, hax.
Oh. She did do International Morse...just with bad grammar...
Tollwutig
11-15-2006, 02:52 PM
What's rather odd about the high school and cell phones is that the builiding was constructed in the mid 80's...before cellphones were used by most people. I don't think it's any wiring that is the cause for this, but probably how thick the walls are. Cinderblocks ftw.
Actually with a lot of construction its the steel re bar in the concrete that causes a weak Faraday Cage which blocks signals unless they are strong enough.
Also a Faraday cage isn't expensive. Most modern buildings have the basic infrastructure of wiring to accomplish this.
Or they could require that cell phones be turned off in class under penalty of confiscation. At least that's been the policy of my old middle school, high school, and college.
Demontestament
11-15-2006, 02:59 PM
Actually with a lot of construction its the steel re bar in the concrete that causes a weak Faraday Cage which blocks signals unless they are strong enough.
Also a Faraday cage isn't expensive. Most modern buildings have the basic infrastructure of wiring to accomplish this.
The building on base that I work on destroys cell phone reception, unless you have a Nokia(base issue to all guards) or you are in the bathroom. Nothing beating being at the urinal and having your Imperial March ringtone go off and then being asked if you call it Darth Vader.
ZippyDSMlee
11-16-2006, 12:14 AM
heres a thought ban the use of cell phones by students that don't have a pass from their parents,even then the phone is only used for parent child conversions if it is not don't like this the phone is then confiscated and the parent has to pick it up,depending on the family situation a phone could be needed at anytime,and in these days f kidnappers and abductions giving your teen agers a cell phone that has GPS tracking on it aint such a bad idea....
TO not allow kids-teens to have them is ridiculous because they cant return home with them, there are other issues of coarse like mindless texting/calling and sht but first things first don't just ban them foolishly oy vay people get a brain....
*wonders off to find his*
Garbage Pail Kid
11-16-2006, 02:10 AM
Okay, kids. This is when you use what's called "Hammer Space." Hammer Space gets it's name from cartoon characters that pull huge hammers out of they're pants. It refers to the space between the crease between the legs and where the inseams of the pants meet. To use Hammer Space in this particular situation, take the phone and you tuck in the girdle of your underwear. You may take it out in a concealed location once you have passed the checkpoint (if there is one.)
Please note: This does not work if you're wearing boxers or a thong.
Happy rule breaking to all from the G.P.K.
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