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Demontestament

11-13-2006, 07:00 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/13/giuliani.president/index.html

NEW YORK (CNN) -- Former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani has taken the first step toward a possible 2008 White House bid by forming a presidential exploratory committee.

A document from the New York Department of State says Giuliani made the initial filing Friday.

According to a recent CNN poll, Giuliani is a favorite among Republican voters or independents who lean Republican.

The survey, conducted October 27-29 by Opinion Research Corp., indicates that 29 percent of Republicans would "most likely" support Giuliani for their party's presidential nomination in 2008. (Read the full poll results)

Runners-up included Sen. John McCain, with 27 percent, and former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, with 12 percent. The poll of 401 Republican voters or voters who lean Republican had a sampling error of plus or minus 5 percent.

For some reason I can see myself voting for the man. I mean he is better than Gingrich that is for sure. And with the obvious other people running he does look like a good choice.

kurisu7885

11-13-2006, 07:02 PM

Ok, I";m tryign to remember, what exactly did Giuliani do for the city?

Garbage Pail Kid

11-13-2006, 07:31 PM

After he mishandled the killing of Amadou Diallo and cheated on his wife, everyone hated him. Then, his city gets attacked, and all of a sudden he's Time Magazine's person of year. I don't buy the hype. I probably won't be voting for him.

11-13-2006, 07:45 PM

Russ Feingold. No doubt about it.

Tollwutig

11-14-2006, 11:05 AM

I'll admit if a Giuliani / McCain ticket were to come up from the republicans I would vote for them. Neither are hard core right wingers and wouldn't suck as bad as the Bush Presidency.

Also Giuliani is credited for cleaning up New York, and is the one who started the trend of having corporate executives accused in financial crimes do perp walks in front of the media. Giuliani knew that it was a long shot to convict them with their lawyers, but he could embarrass them in front of the media.

11-14-2006, 12:16 PM

He's a Republican. I don't care how good the man is.

Lesser of two evils, remember? =/

bayushisan

11-14-2006, 04:22 PM

I'd have to take a look at all the issues before voting for anyone. Though Guiliani/McCain seems like the likely ticket come 08

11-14-2006, 04:26 PM

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Tollwutig

11-14-2006, 05:54 PM

He's a Republican. I don't care how good the man is.

Lesser of two evils, remember? =/

You see there is on of your faults KN you see the political party not the person. I look at the individuals merits not the Parties.

Also before all of this Moral Majority pandering BS the GOP started I agreed with them most of the time. The GOP was founded on less government and less taxes which I agree with, it's only since the rift of the Democratic Party from the Southern racists in the 60s and the conversion of Senators such as Strom Thurman and Jesse Helms from Democrats to Republicans.

11-14-2006, 05:57 PM

Tollwutig

11-15-2006, 11:59 AM

You don't vote for the person, you vote for the party and what it stands for. My party is led by a guy I am not paticularly impressed by, but the PARTY will still function and will still push the same ideas.

The same with yours. Regardless of how cool this guy is, he is still a representative of a party that stands for things I utterly despise.

You see thats just it, we Americans are more independent for the most part. You're gonna be surprised, a lot of the Democrats who were elected into the 110th Congress to replace Republicans are Pro-Life and Anti-Gay Marriage. If these issues come up before Congress they will side with the Republicans.

Look at Joe Liberman on the whole Iraq issue, he stood his ground and supported Bush, he lost his Parties Nomination but managed to run as an Independent and keep his Senate Seat. On most issues he will side with the Dems, but on Iraq he'll go against them potentially giving Dick Cheney the deciding vote in the Senate. Now while on most things I despise Joe Liberman at least he has the balls to stand for what he believes in.

Same goes for two notorious retired Senators Strom Thurman, and Jesse Helms. When the Democratic party started backing Legislation they didn't believe in (civil rights) they changed parties. Now I disagree with them on the issue but they did stand their ground for what they believe in.

Personally I wish we had more Senators like Liberman, Helms and Thurmon. Not necessarily for their ideals but as men who will stand their beliefs and not become party hacks.

I think McCain and Giuliani are both this type of person and would actually make good leaders.

11-15-2006, 12:03 PM

So not only do you have a two party system.... nobody ****ing follows their party?

Yeah, I can see why the country is in ruins now T_T

bayushisan

11-15-2006, 12:27 PM

Generally speaking the two parties do stand for certain issues; and tend to vote a certain way. I think its good to see individuals take up a stance contrary to the same old view point. I may not agree with what they're saying but at least they're not towing the line on something they don't believe in.

Tollwutig

11-15-2006, 12:37 PM

So not only do you have a two party system.... nobody ****ing follows their party?

Yeah, I can see why the country is in ruins now T_T

People follow their party but not blindly. They have opinions beyond that of their party.

ZippyDSMlee

11-16-2006, 06:49 PM

Mindlessly voting party lines dosent work since you will be voting for the nanny state libs to take away our games....

you cant really vote in any direction untill you know what they want to take from you *L*
If bush and co. are republicans 200% I'll take a 70-100% powered republican that can balance budgets let states figure out if they are gay are not,protect the top 10% while trying to balance sht for the rest of us over a bunch of insane libs that want to bring in the worlds poor protect kids from stake because they can eat it..and video games,saldy the level of the lesser evil and the other evil is not like it was 10 years ago...

Thefremen

11-17-2006, 08:39 AM

11-17-2006, 09:18 AM

Rudy is a great man just like Bush, since he happened to be standing around when terrorists attacked, he is an excellent leader.

E-****ing-xactly

Tollwutig

11-17-2006, 10:48 AM

Rudy is a great man just like Bush, since he happened to be standing around when terrorists attacked, he is an excellent leader.

I just hope it's not Guliani v. Clinton in '08. I mean Hillary. I mean, yes, people with vaginas should be able to be president and that's lovely but I'd just as soon vote in a Coulter/Hitler ticket.

Gulliani did more than just stand around on 9/11 , and is WAY more intelligent than Bush... come on even a field mouse is more intelligent than Bush. Really I'll wait and see McCain started his campaign yesterday as well. The democrats seem to be running Edwards again, and possible the former Wisconsin Governor.

Before I vote I'll look at the issues, and stances of the candidates. Gulliani and McCain are both moderates which means I do agree with them more than I do with Hillary.

Thefremen

11-17-2006, 03:06 PM

Gulliani did more than just stand around on 9/11 , and is WAY more intelligent than Bush... come on even a field mouse is more intelligent than Bush. Really I'll wait and see McCain started his campaign yesterday as well. The democrats seem to be running Edwards again, and possible the former Wisconsin Governor.

Before I vote I'll look at the issues, and stances of the candidates. Gulliani and McCain are both moderates which means I do agree with them more than I do with Hillary.

There's a LOT of people in the world more intelligent and well spoken than Bush. If you're going to use that arguement then I could be Pres and you could be my veep and KN could be the secretary of state.

I would SO vote Gulliani/McCain because I wanted McCain in 1999 but that damned Bush pulled all those dirty tricks out of his ass and the GOP decided they wanted a Retard to be their candidate. @_@

Tollwutig

11-17-2006, 03:15 PM

There's a LOT of people in the world more intelligent and well spoken than Bush. If you're going to use that arguement then I could be Pres and you could be my veep and KN could be the secretary of state.

I would SO vote Gulliani/McCain because I wanted McCain in 1999 but that damned Bush pulled all those dirty tricks out of his ass and the GOP decided they wanted a Retard to be their candidate. @_@

If McCain had run there wouldn't have been such a farce in Florida either.

ZippyDSMlee

11-17-2006, 03:15 PM

There's a LOT of people in the world more intelligent and well spoken than Bush. If you're going to use that arguement then I could be Pres and you could be my veep and KN could be the secretary of state.

I would SO vote Gulliani/McCain because I wanted McCain in 1999 but that damned Bush pulled all those dirty tricks out of his ass and the GOP decided they wanted a Retard to be their candidate. @_@

I dunno macain has shown hes just another politician.....mabye hes a bit better than the norm...but...oh well lesser f evils I guess...

11-17-2006, 03:27 PM

Thefremen

11-17-2006, 03:34 PM

Look, even if he is cool, there comes a point in time where he must gather votes. The Republicans always gather the votes among the religious right. Regardless of how nice this dude is, he's going to do the same bull**** Bush did. Just so he can keep the 25% evangelical voters.

I don't know. If the Republicans and the Democrats ignore them then they'll be negated. After these last 6 years I think it's time for both parties to take a Samuel L Jackson stance on the issue. That is, "the oppression of the sith will never return!".

Tollwutig

11-17-2006, 04:26 PM

I don't know. If the Republicans and the Democrats ignore them then they'll be negated. After these last 6 years I think it's time for both parties to take a Samuel L Jackson stance on the issue. That is, "the oppression of the sith will never return!".

I am thinking you're correct, with McCain/Gilliani the GOP can gather a lot more of the conservative leaning moderates than Bush can so they wouldn't need to rely on the conservative base as much... not to mention after this election Carl Rove is more than likely taking a beating.

What I can't believe is the GOP actually kept their House Leaders in place pretty much.

Thefremen

11-17-2006, 04:48 PM

I am thinking you're correct, with McCain/Gilliani the GOP can gather a lot more of the conservative leaning moderates than Bush can so they wouldn't need to rely on the conservative base as much... not to mention after this election Carl Rove is more than likely taking a beating.

What I can't believe is the GOP actually kept their House Leaders in place pretty much.

I think they're in denial at this point. If Bush can change stances for goodness sake, (on the "democrats are the root of all evil" issue) then they should be able to.

I said it in 2004, both parties need reform and I hope victory doesn't breed sloth as it did for the GOP.