Elton John "I would ban Religion"

[Demontestament]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Music/11/13/britain.eltonjohn.ap/index.html

LONDON, England (AP) -- Organized religion fuels anti-gay discrimination and other forms of bias, pop star Elton John said in an interview published Saturday.

"I think religion has always tried to turn hatred toward gay people," John said in the Observer newspaper's Music Monthly Magazine. "Religion promotes the hatred and spite against gays."

"But there are so many people I know who are gay and love their religion," he said. "From my point of view, I would ban religion completely. Organized religion doesn't seem to work. It turns people into really hateful lemmings and it's not really compassionate."

John also criticized religious leaders for failing to do anything about conflicts around the world.

"Why aren't they having a conclave? Why aren't they coming together?"

John said those in his own field have been similarly lax.

"It's like the peace movement in the '60s. Musicians got through to people by getting out there and doing peace concerts, but we don't seem to do them any more," he said. "If John Lennon were alive today, he'd be leading it with a vengeance."


I am with Elton on this one, ban them all. Lets remove one of the main sources of hatred.

[Hank the Tank]

While I agree with some of what he said (religious leaders stepping up), I do NOT agree with banning religion.

The "hateful Lemmings" are far in the minority religion-wise. Religion can inspire people to love and care for each other or devote themselves to a worthy cause. Of course, these "worthy causes" aren't as popular with the media as an Anti-Gay parade (or something like that).

Banning religion would be a very... oppresive move that few people would support.

One must remember that insurance companies have a stake in gay marriage being accepted as well.

[Demontestament]

The "hateful Lemmings" are far in the minority religion-wise. Religion can inspire people to love and care for each other or devote themselves to a worthy cause.

Oh it can inspire love and care for one another, but most of the time it turns into love and care for those like you and shunning those who are different from you. I have long since turned my back on any sort of religion and will never turn back, simply because I have a problem with the "We are the only right way" ****. Yes the bible teaches love for eachother, but it get corrupeted by the moron preaching it.

[Theory?]

In high school, we on the TV station did a piece on some of the staff and students who went to Rome over a break. One of them weas the school's vice Principle. She got on camera and said they had seen "John Elton" at the Collesseum.

I wanted to slit her throat.

[kurisu7885]

In high school, we on the TV station did a piece on some of the staff and students who went to Rome over a break. One of them weas the school's vice Principle. She got on camera and said they had seen "John Elton" at the Collesseum.

I wanted to slit her throat.

Ah, one of those idiots who jumps in front of the caemera for attention.

[KN]

Elton John is talking about organized religion, something that could be feasibly banned. Faith, which exists inside a person's head, is something entirely different. This cannot be banned, and it's not what Elton is talking about.

Before you go on about "BBBBBuuut it's only a minority!", consider that.

[Demontestament]

Ah, one of those idiots who jumps in front of the caemera for attention.

Lets replace camera with Bus.

[Theory?]

Ah, one of those idiots who jumps in front of the caemera for attention.

She was known well throughout the school as being a total imbecile. She tried doing a "word of the week" during morning announcements. One time the word of the day was "litigious" (a word we're all familiar with here). She pronounced the word lih-tih-guss (instead of lit-ij-us). It was really sad.

[Demontestament]

Elton John is talking about organized religion, something that could be feasibly banned. Faith, which exists inside a person's head, is something entirely different. This cannot be banned, and it's not what Elton is talking about.

Before you go on about "BBBBBuuut it's only a minority!", consider that.

Exactly.

This message is way too ****ing short.

[kurisu7885]

Elton John is talking about organized religion, something that could be feasibly banned. Faith, which exists inside a person's head, is something entirely different. This cannot be banned, and it's not what Elton is talking about.

Before you go on about "BBBBBuuut it's only a minority!", consider that.

KN, you own.

[Hank the Tank]

Elton John is talking about organized religion, something that could be feasibly banned. Faith, which exists inside a person's head, is something entirely different. This cannot be banned, and it's not what Elton is talking about.

Before you go on about "BBBBBuuut it's only a minority!", consider that.

Bah, fine. I concede to your point... Or however the hell one says that.

But I think there should be some sort of local organization if a person wants to go to church or wants to learn more about religion.

[Tollwutig]

I don't think Organized religion should be banned, but people who are members of organized religions should be sterilized. This way it is an adult conscious decision to join one.

[KN]

I don't think Organized religion should be banned, but people who are members of organized religions should be sterilized. This way it is an adult conscious decision to join one.

Can we sterilize by nut-kicking? I do so love the nut-kicking ^___^

[bayushisan]

I wonder if anyone else notices the hypocrisy running amok here. I realize that many of you are largely bigotted against religion but you can't honestly believe that banning religion is appropriate. People of faith have the same right to organize that gay people have. Like it or not, we're here to stay. I'll be the first to say, as I have many, MANY times before, that there are those who do indeed twist and abuse the words of Christ for their own selfish gain.

I've been over why that makes them false believers in the past so I'm not going to go into that again.

Elton's response is way out of line. Christians do not, I repeat do NOT, hate gay people. We by large feel that their actions are wrong but we still love the people. Maybe if I say it enough times it will finally sink in.

[KN]

Derp derp derp derp derp

Organized religion, Bayu, organized religion.

You know, it's really classy when you have some variety of "I think you are all bigoted" somewhere early in your post. It makes sure I don't have to read the rest of it.

EDIT: Gay people only organize because SOME PEOPLE keep denying them rights. If they receive these rights, there is no reason for them to organize anymore. Organized religion is where the bigoted shelter under the umbrella of religion to be safe from common sense. It has very little to do with faith. One cannot ban faith. One can surely ban the protective umbrella, forcing believers to stand on their own for once. Those who can do so would be those of true faith. Would you not agree, Bayu?

[Demontestament]

I wonder if anyone else notices the hypocrisy running amok here. I realize that many of you are largely bigotted against religion but you can't honestly believe that banning religion is appropriate. People of faith have the same right to organize that gay people have. Like it or not, we're here to stay. I'll be the first to say, as I have many, MANY times before, that there are those who do indeed twist and abuse the words of Christ for their own selfish gain.

Elton's response is way out of line. Christians do not, I repeat do NOT, hate gay people. We by large feel that their actions are wrong but we still love the people. Maybe if I say it enough times it will finally sink in.

You know it is funny, the only time I have seen gay people organize for something is when they were protesting for equal rights, as in right now over Gay marriage. I have never once seen them outside a church protesting shouting hatefilled slurs towards patrons. Yet we see that all the time where ever gay people might gather from christians.

Here you go on the "We dont hate gay people, just their gay" thing again, ok lets look at ways that show hate against those that show love from the christian community towards the gay community.

Hate: Beating to death, dragging from a pick-up truck, protesting their right to exist, beating them withing an inch of their life, calling them an abomination towards god, saying they support terrorism, accusing them of trying to destroy America's morals, saying being gay is a choice, trying to force them to change, denying them happiness, saying it is wrong for them to wed ( I can go on all day)

Love: *Cricket Chrip*

Yeah sorry again I say the whole "Love the gay person, hate the gay" excuse is bull**** and if you belive it you are blind to the real world. And everytime you say it I will call Bull****.

[bayushisan]

About banning the right for people of faith organize I would have to disagree. I'd feel the same way if someone was going around saying that atheists or any other group didn't have the right to organize (although I do in fact omit pedophiles from this, except in so far as it might be easier to arrest them at that point).

No one is trying to say that gay people don't have the same rights as other people. As for the marriage thing, I don't have an easy answer for that one. Maybe civil unions are ok, I don't know.

As for the remarks about being biggoted. I apologize. I just get very tired of seeing puds like Elton John scream about other people being narrow minded when they're the same way, just with different issues.

[kurisu7885]

[QUOTE=Demontestament;7260]

, calling them an abomination towards godQUOTE]

If they were an abomination of god we as humans would not have the freedom of choice, period.

[Demontestament]

No one is trying to say that gay people don't have the same rights as other people. As for the marriage thing, I don't have an easy answer for that one. Maybe civil unions are ok, I don't know.

Why only civil unions? Why not a full marriage? What should be the reason to stop them from this? And a valid reason please not this "Between a Man and woman only" sanctity of marriage crap. And just maybe? Hell if you really loved them you wouldn't have a problem with them getting married.

[Ohma]

Must...resist...temptation...to...jump...on...band wagon...and...must...stop...typing...like ...this...

Really, as much fun as it is to say all religion should be banned (or even just organized religion), it isn't a practical solution. Even if every human suddenly became an atheist, our problems wouldn’t end. Religion is just an easy rationalization used by bigots who can't come up with their own. If religion ceased to be a factor we'd just have more creative or honest bigots in the world.

What does need to happen is a world wide shift in how people believe in and follow religious doctrine.

[KN]

About banning the right for people of faith organize I would have to disagree. I'd feel the same way if someone was going around saying that atheists or any other group didn't have the right to organize (although I do in fact omit pedophiles from this, except in so far as it might be easier to arrest them at that point).

No one is trying to say that gay people don't have the same rights as other people. As for the marriage thing, I don't have an easy answer for that one. Maybe civil unions are ok, I don't know.

As for the remarks about being biggoted. I apologize. I just get very tired of seeing puds like Elton John scream about other people being narrow minded when they're the same way, just with different issues.

Your religion does not own the concept of marriage. Live with it.

Hehe.. wait. .that's it. You're SCARED. That's the whole thing.

But I understand. If I were narrowminded and wholeheartedly believed all sorts of stuff, including that my religion and my religion alone owns the concept of marriage, I'd be scared too if it became painfully evident my morals cannot apply to all marriages.

It will happen, Bayu. It's happened elsewhere, and it will happen where you live too: Two people of legal age who love each other will be able to marry. And guess what? They'll call it marriage! Even if it wasn't done in a church.


That just sends a chill down your spine, doesn't it?


Welcome to reality, Bayu. Wake up and smell the ashes.

[Hank the Tank]

Your religion does not own the concept of marriage. Live with it.

Hehe.. wait. .that's it. You're SCARED. That's the whole thing.

But I understand. If I were narrowminded and wholeheartedly believed all sorts of stuff, including that my religion and my religion alone owns the concept of marriage, I'd be scared too if it became painfully evident my morals cannot apply to all marriages.

It will happen, Bayu. It's happened elsewhere, and it will happen where you live too: Two people of legal age who love each other will be able to marry. And guess what? They'll call it marriage! Even if it wasn't done in a church.


That just sends a chill down your spine, doesn't it?


Welcome to reality, Bayu. Wake up and smell the ashes.

You know KN, you can make points and argue without sounding like an elitist asshole.


You can also quit suggesting banning religion, it's not going to happen.

[KN]

You know KN, you can make points and argue without sounding like an elitist asshole.

But this lets off sooo much steam. It's great.

Still, I'm not even suggesting that. I'm suggesting that Bayu's hope that they will never call it marriage are futile. People aren't that dumb.

Or are you perhaps afraid as well?

To answer something you said earlier:
But I think there should be some sort of local organization if a person wants to go to church or wants to learn more about religion.
Of course. But that is hardly true organization. Churches are part of the faith, not necessarily organized religion. A church is not some organization, it's a place where people tell each other stories. Such things are harmless.

I merely suggest that banning all forms of religious groups which transcend faith (ie: christian media groups, christian political parties, christian schools, christian whatevers) would be desirable.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Elton John is talking about organized religion, something that could be feasibly banned. Faith, which exists inside a person's head, is something entirely different. This cannot be banned, and it's not what Elton is talking about.

Before you go on about "BBBBBuuut it's only a minority!", consider that.

How far to ban them to the point where religious type gatherings are illict?
Would normal local church's be affected?

Sure the mega chruchs and nation wide **** needs to be bomb into the stone age,but some local church's are ok.

[Ohma]

Sure the mega chruchs and nation wide **** needs to be bomb into the stone age

Well...that was an unfortunate choice of phrase...

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well...that was an unfortunate choice of phrase...

So you are saying the Mega Church's and nation wide orginizations that have a fleet of private jets should not be bombed/taxed intto he stone age?

Lets fly all over the world and take pics with poor people in order tog et mre jets to get more pics to get more money...thank you NOT.....next on the list is to stone the guiled TV evangers need to be just stoned...WTF are you morons doing with guiled golden sets.......

[Hank the Tank]

Or are you perhaps afraid as well?

Nah, I'm all for gay marriage, it just kinda bothers me when people take a superior tone when arguing.



I merely suggest that banning all forms of religious groups which transcend faith (ie: christian media groups, christian political parties, christian schools, christian whatevers) would be desirable.


But isn't that a local organization of religion?

[Ohma]

So you are saying the Mega Church's and nation wide orginizations that have a fleet of private jets should not be bombed/taxed intto he stone age?


Well, if you had said taxed to death, that would've been fine. Mega-churches make me sick. However, the *bombing* of churches has been a tactic associated with more...unpleasant (to make a gross understatement) points of view, and organizations than atheists or gay people.

[KN]

Nah, I'm all for gay marriage, it just kinda bothers me when people take a superior tone when arguing.




But isn't that a local organization of religion?

No. An organization implies ranks. In my perfect vision of christianity, there are no ranks. People will go to a church, and instead of an altar where the priest is to stand, there is a large round table where everyone sits. Anyone can have their little say about how they interpret the faith. There is very little organization in that. I'd even encourage the government to fund these kinds of 'gatherings' to replace the churches of old.

Think about it. Wouldn't it be a lot better that way?

[Garbage Pail Kid]

In before the lock.

[Silver_Derstin]

No. An organization implies ranks. In my perfect vision of christianity, there are no ranks. People will go to a church, and instead of an altar where the priest is to stand, there is a large round table where everyone sits. Anyone can have their little say about how they interpret the faith. There is very little organization in that. I'd even encourage the government to fund these kinds of 'gatherings' to replace the churches of old.

Think about it. Wouldn't it be a lot better that way?

But that, my friend, is a vision of COMMUNISM. And you don't want communism in the United States now do you?

[Ace_ofspade]

Derp derp derp derp derp

Win. I wuv you KN.

But that, my friend, is a vision of COMMUNISM. And you don't want communism in the United States now do you?

"OH NOESES COMMIES!" :O

[ZippyDSMlee]

But that, my friend, is a vision of COMMUNISM. And you don't want communism in the United States now do you?

If we the many rule and not our elected "servants" then yes, yes we all would want it.


Garbage Pail Kid
why lock?
its a wonderful thread no flameing no mindlessness why would anyone want to lock it? 0_o

this is a good thread filled with good discussions!

[Silver_Derstin]

If we the many rule and not our elected "servants" then yes, yes we all would want it.


Actually, you don't want communism, whatever the case. It doesn't work. Period. And it's impossible that it'll work.

People working only enough to make what the society needs and not make a profit? YEAH RIGHT.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Did you guys not see the last two South Parks?

[Ace_ofspade]

Did you guys not see the last two South Parks?

A great lesson is to be learned from them- Get rid of all the "-isms".

[Garbage Pail Kid]

A great lesson is to be learned from them- Get rid of all the "-isms".

Okay, but what I got out of it was that people will find excuses to hate, hurt, and kill each other, religion or no religion.

[KN]

Did you guys not see the last two South Parks?

Yes. I have learned Richard Dawkins is a beast in the sack.

[John]

I wonder if anyone else notices the hypocrisy running amok here. I realize that many of you are largely bigotted against religion but you can't honestly believe that banning religion is appropriate. People of faith have the same right to organize that gay people have. Like it or not, we're here to stay. I'll be the first to say, as I have many, MANY times before, that there are those who do indeed twist and abuse the words of Christ for their own selfish gain.

I agree with you here, Bayu. Banning organized religion will not accomplish anything, and if anything, send us back a few centuries as well. I may not be a fan of many of the organized religions out there, but they have their rights.


About banning the right for people of faith organize I would have to disagree. I'd feel the same way if someone was going around saying that atheists or any other group didn't have the right to organize (although I do in fact omit pedophiles from this, except in so far as it might be easier to arrest them at that point).

I agree with you yet again.

No one is trying to say that gay people don't have the same rights as other people. As for the marriage thing, I don't have an easy answer for that one. Maybe civil unions are ok, I don't know.

Off topic question: Would you be ok if the US adopted the Canadian version of same-sex marriage? Under our law, no church can be forced to perform a same-sex marriage of it goes against their doctrine, thus protecting churches from being forced to perform same-sex marriages as well as giving full rights to same-sex couples and usage of the word 'marriage'. This is something I whole-heartedly agree with.

As for the remarks about being biggoted. I apologize. I just get very tired of seeing puds like Elton John scream about other people being narrow minded when they're the same way, just with different issues.

But like all people, he has the right to his own opinion.

But that, my friend, is a vision of COMMUNISM. And you don't want communism in the United States now do you?

That...might not be a bad thing, another Red Scare in the US.

Since right now they're suffering from the Pink Scare...

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Garbage Pail Kid
why lock?
its a wonderful thread no flameing no mindlessness why would anyone want to lock it? 0_o

this is a good thread filled with good discussions!

How many threads just like this have you seen get locked? Okay, let's break it down:

1. They are flames all over this thread.

2. They don't like religion bashing on this site, and here's a thread that's completely and exclusively dedicated to it.

3. Read the first two again.

4. Who the **** cares what Elton John's political views are?

[KN]

I'd like to ask who this mysterious "They" is.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

I'd like to ask who this mysterious "They" is.

Dennis, Toll, Garrett....

Look at the bottom of the off topic forum page if you don't the rest.

[Silver_Derstin]

2. They don't like religion bashing on this site, and here's a thread that's completely and exclusively dedicated to it.

4. Who the **** cares what Elton John's political views are?

People who care what Elton John's political views are: Fans of Elton John, people who are interested in politics and ideologies... There's quite a few actually...

And what's wrong with bashing religion, since religion bashes on everyone all the time?

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Alright, look: I agree that people like Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, and the ****heads who started the crusades are idiots, but saying that we should ban religion because of the actions of some fanatical ****tards is like saying black people should be sent back to Africa because Louis Farrakhan is an ass (and he is.)

My family is Christian (I’m Pagan, I guess) and they go to Church on Sundays, but somehow, someway, they manage to accept people who do not share their beliefs. You know why? Because they are too smart and too compassionate to buy into this hate-mongering bull**** that those mentioned above try to pound into people’s heads.

There are a lot more of these kind of people than you may think, but you don’t hear from them a lot because they aren’t as loud as the idiots. Same thing applies to Islam: Most Muslims do not believe it is right to murder and terrorize people.

Furthermore, I find it ironic that a group that is so opposed to censorship of the media is so quick to turn around and advocate censorship in another form.

Well, once again I find myself putting way to much thought and effort into stupid **** like this thread.

[KN]

Derp derp derp derp derp

No, your post was not worthy of being replaced with desu desu desu.

Derp it is for you.

I have hereby presented to you my opinion of your post. This is an opinion allowed under freedom of speech. Feel free to exercise your freedom of speech to call me a childish asshole.

This will however not change my opinion of your post.

Your post (as well as some of Bayu's) would not have come into those world if you had carefully read my first post in this thread. I propose you go there, posthaste.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Alright, look: I agree that people like Fred Phelps, Jerry Falwell, and the ****heads who started the crusades are idiots, but saying that we should ban religion because of the actions of some fanatical ****tards is like saying black people should be sent back to Africa because Louis Farrakhan is an ass (and he is.)

My family is Christian (I’m Pagan, I guess) and they go to Church on Sundays, but somehow, someway, they manage to accept people who do not share their beliefs. You know why? Because they are too smart and too compassionate to buy into this hate-mongering bull**** that those mentioned above try to pound into people’s heads.

There are a lot more of these kind of people than you may think, but you don’t hear from them a lot because they aren’t as loud as the idiots. Same thing applies to Islam: Most Muslims do not believe it is right to murder and terrorize people.

Furthermore, I find it ironic that a group that is so opposed to censorship of the media is so quick to turn around and advocate censorship in another form.

Well, once again I find myself putting way to much thought and effort into stupid **** like this thread.
Games have not killed millions,relogion kinda has,however so has mankind,we are blowing off soem steam on the up tight pruds lighten up some.

I think most of us would not really want to ban religion its just to fing hard to do and not worth it,however we would like to see the real people of all religions step up and question what their "leaders" are doing as well as getting back to showing other by example how to walk in the light,however the media is never interested in that its so hard to find gems of light and wisdom in something that wants to bash things all the time to sell news.......


Ya know things might get stinky with some spouting BS but posting what you think in a coherent manner never hurts ^^

[kurisu7885]

Games have not killed millions,relogion kinda has,however so has mankind,we are blowing off soem steam on the up tight pruds lighten up some.

I think most of us would not really want to ban religion its just to fing hard to do and not worth it,however we would like to see the real people of all religions step up and question what their "leaders" are doing as well as getting back to showing other by example how to walk in the light,however the media is never interested in that its so hard to find gems of light and wisdom in something that wants to bash things all the time to sell news.......


Ya know things might get stinky with some spouting BS but posting what you think in a coherent manner never hurts ^^
Zippy, bravo, that I think is a better solution than an all out ban, since as has been said ,it is impossible. Stop current religions, and people will find better excuses, or make another religion, but call it somethign else. I heard someone speak of honesty, but honesty would kill the crusades of the idiots.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

No, your post was not worthy of being replaced with desu desu desu.

Derp it is for you.

I have hereby presented to you my opinion of your post. This is an opinion allowed under freedom of speech. Feel free to exercise your freedom of speech to call me a childish asshole.

This will however not change my opinion of your post.

Your post (as well as some of Bayu's) would not have come into those world if you had carefully read my first post in this thread. I propose you go there, posthaste.

I did read it carefully. That is why I mentioned the "going to church" part, to emphasize that they belong to an organized religion. By the way, if you think I'm stupid, at least have the balls to say it outright, rather than using made up words to say it indirectly. So, as not to be hypocritical, I'll say it: You are acting childish. None of my posts were directly aimed at you, so I don't see why you attacked me.

But on to something bigger and better: Zippy, I agree with you. Like I said, the reason you hear so much about fanatical perversions of religion is that people who advocate them talk the loudest. If the more moderate ones were to speak up, they might be silenced. Good post.

[Picho]

He who shalt not be named in this post would have much a fit over his form of "mental masturbation" being banned. Really it would be so funny to see his happy times get stripped away. (and then a sudden stop in violence to boot)

Now while it would never happen, still is funny to think about it.



Now with organized religions though... If you ever looked a Christian rock concert, you will see something quite strange. People with their hands in the air, with some sort of weird look on their face. Similar to how movies portray cultists.

After all why can they say all their stuff and worship (insert religious figure here) but I cannot worship Boo, the world’s only miniature giant space hamster?

The reason as far as I’ve seen, is because the religion would be new, thus a new religion couldn’t possibly have any hard facts in it. (See Scientology and Mormon) After all only the oldest religions could possibly have any sort of ‘truth’ because we cannot prove that there isn’t any truth to them.


But if you ever get wrapped up in your religion, take a look at Trekkies and Jedi/Sith. Just imagine a guy where a Spock costume arguing over how plausible the force could be, or how a teleporter thing works, with a guy in a Darth Vader costume.

[bayushisan]

I find it interesting that so many people who scream about censorship of games are so quick to try and become thought police themselves. It smacks of hypocrisy of the worst variety.

For those of you opposed to Christianity or any religion I would advise to calm down. Whether you like it or not we have the right (at least in America) to start our own private schools, to open businesses that cater to other Christians, we have the right to create our own television and radio programs, we even have the right to publish books to sell in the open market. Should any of you continue to take issue with these things allow me to suggest the following.

1. Do not go to nor send your child to a Christian school
2. Do not tune into Christian radio programs or watch channels like TBN
3. Do not go to Christian bookstores.

You've been telling Christians the same thing about other tv shows, video games and the like, so you should be perfectly able to do the same yourselves.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

I find it interesting that so many people who scream about censorship of games are so quick to try and become thought police themselves. It smacks of hypocrisy of the worst variety.



THANK YOU!

[kurisu7885]

[QUOTE=bayushisan;7354]

1. Do not go to nor send your child to a Christian school
2. Do not tune into Christian radio programs or watch channels like TBN
3. Do not go to Christian bookstores.

QUOTE]

I practice those myself. If you don't liek something, don't associate with it, and if a friend does, try to be at least a little understanding and supportive, and try to learn a little.

[Grahamr]

I'm going to inform a moderator about this....can you say, "Overkill"?.

I don't want to see people getting banned, so hopefully we can see the alternative. Thread locking.

EDIT: Well would you look it there. I ended up PMing 3 moderators.

Demontestament, i'm sorry bud, but this came across as inflammatory and unnecesary. I hope you come out of this unbanned and having learnt a lesson.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

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[Theory?]

In before the lock.

Yeah seriously.