Brawlers - a lost genre

[Darth_Toxic]

Ah, the brawler. Choose one out of at least three characters whose differences range from simple different colors, to completely different moves, and proceed to pound the living crap out of endless barrages of enemies who all suspiciously look the same, before meeting a large boss enemy and doing the same to him.

These games were formulaic, and pretty plentiful through the late eighties all the way to the mid-nineties, but they were still fun. What were some great arcade brawlers you loved?

The Simpsons, The Punisher, Captain Commando, Battletoads (The arcade one, anyway - the console ones suck), X-Men (Again, the arcade one) and all the TMNT games were fantastic little beat-em-ups. What are some other good ones you remember?

[kurisu7885]

Final Fight[SNES]
Streets of Rage[Gensis]
Mutation Nation[Neo Geo]
Double Dragon[NES/SNES]

And that's all I got right now

[Theory?]

They still exist. Ninja Gaiden Black, for example.

However, nothing beats Double Dragon. One life, and like, 800 dudes.

[KN]

In after Battletoads

[ZippyDSMlee]

They still exist. Ninja Gaiden Black, for example.

However, nothing beats Double Dragon. One life, and like, 800 dudes.

NG is not a brawler its a action/ action adventure game a brawler would be more like freedom force or The Warriors.
Sega is to broke to do much of anything so a up to date streets of rage game is bubye,no one is interested i revamping any brawler.
Look at the brawler formula simple and fun,it simply dose not compute to the corporate devs its not artistic enough so they can trash it or great enough so they can much off the name.


its like corporate devs are to busy slavering away at games to see whats out their,take god of war with a simi static camera give a pick of 2 or 4 characters and have them do 3 or 5 different moves each using the buttons,I love the dpad to death but GOW has shown it can do as good or better when it comes to combos......mmmm I might post a basic idea for a next gen brawler in a few *yawns*

[V-22 Osprey]

Theory, I believe you meant "Nothing beats Super Double Dragon." :D

[ZippyDSMlee]

Next Gen Brawler

Well first off with a 3d element how do we handle it we could go 3rd person but frankly those are to tricky and cam AI a pain to do,however build a game using a static cam and have levels build either going left and right or diagonally like GOW,it seems most devs have their head in the sand and think what they are working on are somehow better than every one else's when in fact its a rare game with a new idea and rarer still with one that works well,so lets use a basic GOW formula and build a normal brawler off it and lets say streets of rage.

Basic controls
Triangle=/T/:Slow hard Punch
Square=/S/:Quick Jab
Circle=/C/:Slow hard Kick
X=/X/:Quick Kick

L1 block
L2 throw
R2 Jump


Basic attacks

Punch/kick:or punch and kicks ,damages 1 target at a time can stun/knock back nearby targets.
Weapon:weapons come in 3 types range,knock back and multi target (flamethorwers,grenades,bats,knifes,hammers)
Throw:You can throw items(trash cans,rocks,weapons,ect,ect) as well as enemies,only medium and higher thrown enemies damage other enemies,tossed enemies always do damage.
Tech radius:Effects all targets in range of the tech
Tech single:damages a single target think super combo on one target and it knocks back anything within range
Tech range:a ranged energy/tech attack
Tech toss:where you treat foes like foam boulders.......
Tech random:damages enemies randomly

Attack req for character for throwing / tossing
Light: 2 1
Meduim 4 2
Heavy 7 5
Super 8 7


Health is gain by score at end of round and hidden treats along the way,Tech is gained thru pummeling(damage) your foes
Tech can go negative meaning a super move that 150% can bring you lower 1% tech but no lower than your max number meanign 70% = -70%
You can level up your character by unlocking moves as you play,use your points off defeating enemies as a exp system or such
Def is to calculate knock back and some forms of damage

Basic Characters
Brawler/All around fighter
Health:100%
Def:7
Attack:7
Speed:5
Technique:4
Tech points:70%

Attack style:punches and kicks
Tech style :powered punches and kicks




tech1:20%
Combo: S S S T T
Freight Line punch
Attack:Current Attack power + 1-3
Type Tech toss/random
adds 1-3 randomly to damage of target and dose 1-3 at points of damage on enemies hit by the flying foe.
A powered straight punch ,whacks a target in a straight line across the ground randomly damaging anything in its path

Tech2:50%
Low blow slide
At:1/4 of attack
Combo: X C X X
Type Tech random/radius
Slides across the ground knocking all off their feet,stunning the first one that got hit unless their female,damages all randomly at 1/4 of attack power


tech3:100%
Fists of the falling star
Attack:double attack power for each punch 1/2 total damage
Tech type:Single/random
Combo:
Beats the crap out of one enemy with random punches of 9 then finises with a supper uppercut it knocks the opponent up and of the screen where it lands it dose 1/2 total damage in a radius around where it fell.


tech4:120%
Fames of fury
Pulls a beer takes a swig smashes it on the ground ,powers up his fist then hits the ground creating a roaring flame that encircles him dose random radius damage for half the screen,damages in 3 levels 80% bonus to attack damage nearest to him, no bonus to attack level further from him then half damage out side of that.


tech5 10%
Shoulder toss
Combo:hold throw to grab then press kick then press jump and a direction on the pad to toss in,anything tossed gets a bonus to damage.

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Female Martial Artist /Speed /close and range tech
Health:110%
Def:5
Attack:4
Speed:8
Technique:6
TP:120%

tech1:30%
Crouch slam
Jumps on target and slams/toss him to the ground doing extra damage things 3 def points lower than her attack

Tech 2:10%
Leg grab and slam
Grabs a foe with legs then takes them offbalance and slams them into the ground doing extra damage to things 2 points lower then her attack


tech360%
Spin kick
tech type radius
Dose 1/2 damage to all things in reach


tech410%
Double knee slamm
attack 1/4 max
Jump,air jump then hit jump again ,gives a foe the panty shot of pain, getting double kneed in the head knock back foes around target

tech5: %100
Razeing dragon
Kicks a foe into the air 2 or 3 kicks then hammers him with 6 quick hits before sending him back down into the crowed doing 2/3rd damage to any it touches before it hits the ground

tech4 10%
Rolling toss,while in a roll immune to damage
Combo:hold throw to grab then press kick then press jump and a direction on the pad to toss in,anything tossed gets a bonus to damage.


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Wrestler /Heavy/ heavy close and radius

Health:200%
Def:7
Attack:7
Speed:2
Technique:2
TP:200%




bah you get the point,each character has 4 or 5 moves to start out with ends up with 12,maybe add a few things like move and character building(after you beat the game),combo customizing(if a move requires 4 pressing of the button it has to be 4 unless you found all the hidden/extra stuff.),different levels of mode hard having a no light enemies and such.


I could go over this polish this and fix the blanching issues but why bother *L*

[Darth_Toxic]

Just for fun, I've been concocting a 'Simpsons 2' game (Which will never, ever get made) that would be really fun. Characters you could be:

Homer

Moe

Willie

Principal Skinner

Maybe one or two others.


Each character would have a standard punch and kick, some combos, and a screen-filling super (Moe would do his 'groove-dancing for self-defense' thing, Bart would call Otto to drive the bus up and have kids throw water balloons out the windows, etc.)

You'd go through stages that were ACCURATE to the show (No 'Moe's giant underground nightclub' or 'fighting zombies in the cemetary' like the original game) - things from the show, like 'fighting robots in Itchy & Scratchy land', or 'fighting French criminals at a vineyard', or 'fighting a telekinetically-powered Bart'.

Enemies were another thing - other than Burns & Smithers, NONE of the enemies in the game came from the show. In the new game, normal enemies would be like little killer Krusty dolls, or bloodthirsty cannibalistic schoolteachers. Bosses would be major baddies from the show, like Sideshow Bob, Hugo Simpson, a Jimbo-Dolph-Kearney team-up, Miss Botz (The babysitter bandit), Bart with telekinetic powers (from that Treehouse of Horror segment where he was the kid from Twilight Zone), etc. (Towards the end, they could re-use Bob and pair him with Cecil - kinda like how in the TMNT game, they paired up Rocksteady & Bebop after you beat them seperately)

....Yeah. I've got a few more, better-detailed ideas for this game, but I'm hideously pooped, and about ready to retire for the evening.

[Cecil475]

TMNT IV - Turtles in Time

- Warren Lewis

[ZippyDSMlee]

TMNT IV - Turtles in Time

- Warren Lewis

Streets of Rage 3 FTW :P

[BearDogg-X]

TMNT IV - Turtles in Time

- Warren Lewis

One more, since most of the good ones were called already:
Rival Turf(SNES)

[Thefremen]

Brawlers are dead and I will not weep for them.

[steelcobra]

They died because of games like The Bouncer. 'nuff said.

[Silver_Derstin]

The Bouncer had a few good ideas but the execution was flawed. Brawlers don't work too well in 3D, but would still work great on handheld.

I want another Final Fight.

[kurisu7885]

They died because of games like The Bouncer. 'nuff said.

Because they tried to hard to fix what wasn't broken.

[Demontestament]

Nothing will ever beat the Original Double Dragon for the NES

[Yukimura]

For a good 3d Brawler, check out God Hand. it's a good old brawler with a neat sense of style and hardcore action. It's a hard game, as the enemies aren't jsut dumb punching bags, and the bosses are both super tough and suprisingly versital. But the style, over the top moves, and cool special abilities make it a game to enjoy.