WAR is Coming!

[GI Jane]

Ok, so I am totally playing the beta and got to test it out at PAX. All I can say is OMG OMG OMG. WoW get ready to lose subscribers :) Mythic really did it right with DAOC and taking that with the WoW'esc of mmos you get warhammer. MMO I will be playing for a long time.

[GamesLaw]

I was less than impressed. When I interviewed one of the producers, he showed me some cool stuff, but kept being plagued by bugs, crashing, etc.

I've heard lots of reports from the betas about issues with stability, bugs, incomplete content, major balance issues etc.

And lets not forget -- this is AFTER they cut a major portion of their content.

WAR has the potential to be a WoW killer, but only if it's done right. Unfortunately, I don't think there's much hope that it will be.

[Thefremen]

I personally am looking more forward to the over the shoulder WH40k shooter, and the WH40k MMO.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I personally am looking more forward to the over the shoulder WH40k shooter, and the WH40k MMO.

Okay, i'll bite.. WH40K MMO?

[GI Jane]

Many things with WoW are wrong. The whole PVP system blows. With so many objective based BG scenarios is it not understandable that everyone starts fighting in the middle when you have lost all 4 towers in EOS. Why that one jack-a-lope goes for the flag when you have no tower to take it to. Why everyone in WSG seems to just fight in the middle instead of trying to capture a flag. Mythic has always had a steady hand in the RVR system and what gamers actually like to do in a PVP environment.. beat the crap out of one another. If you look at every single wow BG all you see is people wanting to smash in other peoples faces. So instead of trying to break the mold with innovative BG scenarios and kids who dont know how to work together and complete an objective, why not make a game where people go in and attack other players? Not to mention the whole BG gear vs. Epic tiers. Whats the point in going out and getting 25 people to learn the strategies of clearing BT when you can play arena for a few weeks and come out with sunwell equivalent gear? Yes it is frowned upon using BG/Arena gear in an instance. But how many times have we all seen players pass on epic kara drops when they are decked out in brutal gear? Every single damn time. You can put up a guild requirement, yes. But in all honesty, that Brutal gear is far superior to anything I have gotten out of BT. I have already told everyone that would listen, to just go try WAR, go out and try the RVR and you will never touch WoW again. EPIC Fail on wow's part.

Then you have the expansion. OMFG can we stop the lvl caps already. Yes they bump the xp from 1-70 in Wotlk but wtf for? You have to go run around and do the exact same quests over and over and over and over to no avail and then what? Go to outlands and continually quest more and more untill you can go to northrend and ohh my guess what, more questing. Time consuming crack addiction is what it is. One thing I always liked about Mythic, is their way of horizontal leveling. Yeah you got to 50 in daoc, then atlantis dropped. Well guess what, You didnt have to go to lvl 60, you got to do all your master levels which enhanced your character instead of gaining another 10 levels. Then with each new expansion it was a charachter enhancement not an endless struggle to go another 10 levels every damn time. In my opinion, instead of coming out with expansions, why not just make a whole new game. Because, with each expansion WoW comes out with, it ultimately kill's the older area. Who runs Onyxia, BWL and MC? Not a damn person. Whos going to continue to run Kara, SSC, TK, MH and BT when we are all 80 and running 10 man versions of the lvl 80 instances? No one! So, Yeah I may be a bit hostile when it comes to my mmo's but you have to think about the majority of the population. And like I said before, the majority of our MMO players just want to zerg and kick the crap out of the opposite realm. I say HOORAY to Mythic and BRAVO on a job well done.

[Thefremen]

Many things with WoW are wrong. The whole PVP system blows. With so many objective based BG scenarios is it not understandable that everyone starts fighting in the middle when you have lost all 4 towers in EOS. Why that one jack-a-lope goes for the flag when you have no tower to take it to. Why everyone in WSG seems to just fight in the middle instead of trying to capture a flag. Mythic has always had a steady hand in the RVR system and what gamers actually like to do in a PVP environment.. beat the crap out of one another. If you look at every single wow BG all you see is people wanting to smash in other peoples faces. So instead of trying to break the mold with innovative BG scenarios and kids who dont know how to work together and complete an objective, why not make a game where people go in and attack other players? Not to mention the whole BG gear vs. Epic tiers. Whats the point in going out and getting 25 people to learn the strategies of clearing BT when you can play arena for a few weeks and come out with sunwell equivalent gear? Yes it is frowned upon using BG/Arena gear in an instance. But how many times have we all seen players pass on epic kara drops when they are decked out in brutal gear? Every single damn time. You can put up a guild requirement, yes. But in all honesty, that Brutal gear is far superior to anything I have gotten out of BT. I have already told everyone that would listen, to just go try WAR, go out and try the RVR and you will never touch WoW again. EPIC Fail on wow's part.

Then you have the expansion. OMFG can we stop the lvl caps already. Yes they bump the xp from 1-70 in Wotlk but wtf for? You have to go run around and do the exact same quests over and over and over and over to no avail and then what? Go to outlands and continually quest more and more untill you can go to northrend and ohh my guess what, more questing. Time consuming crack addiction is what it is. One thing I always liked about Mythic, is their way of horizontal leveling. Yeah you got to 50 in daoc, then atlantis dropped. Well guess what, You didnt have to go to lvl 60, you got to do all your master levels which enhanced your character instead of gaining another 10 levels. Then with each new expansion it was a charachter enhancement not an endless struggle to go another 10 levels every damn time. In my opinion, instead of coming out with expansions, why not just make a whole new game. Because, with each expansion WoW comes out with, it ultimately kill's the older area. Who runs Onyxia, BWL and MC? Not a damn person. Whos going to continue to run Kara, SSC, TK, MH and BT when we are all 80 and running 10 man versions of the lvl 80 instances? No one! So, Yeah I may be a bit hostile when it comes to my mmo's but you have to think about the majority of the population. And like I said before, the majority of our MMO players just want to zerg and kick the crap out of the opposite realm. I say HOORAY to Mythic and BRAVO on a job well done.

Very well said! However, your concerns are your own and do not represent everyone in the community. Believe it or not there are folks who have no intention of accessing any PVP material unless it is to get a Gold Medal or some such thing. Heck, there is even a subset who do nothing but grind and never even access instances! From the previews and forum posts I have seen WAR does nothing to help gamers like myself and my wife who just want to have a fun time in a fantasy realm killing various mystic beasts while keeping to themselves and not bothering the opposing faction.

Just seems like there is a focus on PVP with MMOs recently which is fine since it is the weakest point of WoW (along with raising levelcaps in every expansion...WTF?!). Makes me wonder if there will be any new MMOs that actually try to evolve the genre past what it is today or if they will all simply try to improve on WoW's weak points.

The next MMO my family will try is most likely Star Trek Online.

[Thefremen]

Okay, i'll bite.. WH40K MMO?

Supposedly THQ is making one. TYRANID RUSH KEKEKEKEKEKEKE.

[GI Jane]

WAR does offer the non pvp aspect of the game. Mainly 1-8 is nothing but encountering those mystical beasts and public quests (Which are really cool btw). I was running to the new area to get more quests and I noticed that I had run into a pvp area. It was kind of cool because they had the camp full of quests ourside the pvp area so you didnt have to do that if you didnt want to. If you did choose to do the quests it was just a matter of crossing the line and finding a few "order" to kill. Then I ran back and turned them in and I was done. I think the way they did it was a really great idea. Your not bound to a "BG" for X amount of time. You can go in and run out as you please. You dont get Que'd with a bunch of people you dont know and I found that rather appealing. They did have a scenario quest which was a port to a certain "bg" if you will, and I was grouped with a few people, but again that is totally optional for you to join or not. There is no grinding and everything you do in this game if for a purpose. You can unlock a crap load of achievements, titles, and XP from never stepping foot in a pvp area.

[Thefremen]

WAR does offer the non pvp aspect of the game. Mainly 1-8 is nothing but encountering those mystical beasts and public quests (Which are really cool btw). I was running to the new area to get more quests and I noticed that I had run into a pvp area. It was kind of cool because they had the camp full of quests ourside the pvp area so you didnt have to do that if you didnt want to. If you did choose to do the quests it was just a matter of crossing the line and finding a few "order" to kill. Then I ran back and turned them in and I was done. I think the way they did it was a really great idea. Your not bound to a "BG" for X amount of time. You can go in and run out as you please. You dont get Que'd with a bunch of people you dont know and I found that rather appealing. They did have a scenario quest which was a port to a certain "bg" if you will, and I was grouped with a few people, but again that is totally optional for you to join or not. There is no grinding and everything you do in this game if for a purpose. You can unlock a crap load of achievements, titles, and XP from never stepping foot in a pvp area.

Neat. Well when they get to the stage where they have 10 day trials I think I'd like to try the game.

[EpicVandal]

i played the beta for Warhammer for a good amount of time, i was unimpressed. It was just a slower combat compared to WoW.

i just didn't find anything so amazing about it that would make me go out and buy it.

[Thefremen]

i played the beta for Warhammer for a good amount of time, i was unimpressed. It was just a slower combat compared to WoW.

i just didn't find anything so amazing about it that would make me go out and buy it.

(Takes a look at your avatar and GI Jane's)

Yeah I think I know who to trust here.

[beemoh]

(Takes a look at your avatar and GI Jane's)

Yeah I think I know who to trust here.

Sexist. 10char

[ZippyDSMlee]

I personally am looking more forward to the over the shoulder WH40k shooter, and the WH40k MMO.

God not more but cam games....whats so wrong with a simple first person option...

oh and the MMO looks like a WOW clone on crack......

[GI Jane]

Funny thing is, Warhammer has actually been around a decade longer than Blizzard. Mythics DAOC was actually out for a good amount of years before wow. So im wondering, why are you all calling it wow clones. More like WoW cloned daoc and put in ****ty PVP. The only reason WoW has so many players is because they got the entire design correct. All the pretty colors and cute little characters. Makes me want to vomit.

Anyways, Yes there is a bunch of stuff with out even doing PVP at all in war. The cool thing is, even though your not doing any PVP you still contribute to your realm just by questing, crafting, etc. Really is a cool system they are playing with. I unlocked an achievement today for killing 25 high elfs lol. Another for 25 critical hits and haha funny one "Ow My EYE" got that from clicking on myself 15 times (something like that, might have been only 5). I have been a supported of mythic since the first warhammer. I think they do a pretty damn good job.

On a side note, the Orcs have a special move called "kick in the jibblies" how can you say no to that!?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Funny thing is, Warhammer has actually been around a decade longer than Blizzard. Mythics DAOC was actually out for a good amount of years before wow. So im wondering, why are you all calling it wow clones. More like WoW cloned daoc and put in ****ty PVP. The only reason WoW has so many players is because they got the entire design correct. All the pretty colors and cute little characters. Makes me want to vomit.

Anyways, Yes there is a bunch of stuff with out even doing PVP at all in war. The cool thing is, even though your not doing any PVP you still contribute to your realm just by questing, crafting, etc. Really is a cool system they are playing with. I unlocked an achievement today for killing 25 high elfs lol. Another for 25 critical hits and haha funny one "Ow My EYE" got that from clicking on myself 15 times (something like that, might have been only 5). I have been a supported of mythic since the first warhammer. I think they do a pretty damn good job.

On a side note, the Orcs have a special move called "kick in the jibblies" how can you say no to that!?
Warcraft came out in 94, Warhammer table top came out in 86 and from what I can recall all the games have been based on the more sci fi 40K setting.

Its a wow clone because it's a MMO in a over saturated market trying to out do WOW with the same themes, it might be better it might not be better but it dose not dismiss the fact they are bastard children(mostly for begin MMO) of the fiction they are trying to "copy". :D

[GI Jane]

Pfft, DAOC was out way before wow was. Since there was no other good MMO to play besides DAOC or WOW, people went to WoW because they were waiting for WAR to release. Kinda like what I did, I didnt want to play nothing... so I played WoW.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Pfft, DAOC was out way before wow was. Since there was no other good MMO to play besides DAOC or WOW, people went to WoW because they were waiting for WAR to release. Kinda like what I did, I didnt want to play nothing... so I played WoW.

Rriiiggghhhttttttttttt.

I'll give you the warcraft franchise is based off warhamer but it's managed to make some things it's own even if it did borrow alot. But then what dose not borrow from something.

Dark Age of Camelot(DAOC) came out in 01 WOW 04 has a subscriber base of less than 100-200K world wide WOW has a base of a few million, its managed to gain popularity to the point they suspended their normal game projects to dumb money into the MMO market recreating the MMO market almost single handedly.

Warhammer is about 4 years into learning from WOW they may or may not improve upon the MMO experience ... but from hat I have seen its more of the same old grind.


oh and hello and welcome to the forums we and I haz not met you yet, I do apologize for the zippy speak you'll learn to "enjoy" it or ignore it like everyone else dose :P

Now if you will excuse me I have code to naw on....stupid UT04 wont let me simply use MG ammo to feed my War Monkey special when I have the fire modes use MG ammo it locks the MG out and it can not get new ammo... quite annoying...made a work around still looking for code sets to tell me how to do this stupid thing right.... ggrrrrrrrr *wonders off a cliff*

[GI Jane]

lol, Everyone has their own issues with many mmo's, no one is entirely happy. On a personal level, I enjoyed daoc far better than WoW. So that alone has me enjoying WAR much more than WoW as well. To each his own right?

Thanks for the welcome :) Nice to read your responses lol I actually look forward to them :)

[ZippyDSMlee]

lol, Everyone has their own issues with many mmo's, no one is entirely happy. On a personal level, I enjoyed daoc far better than WoW. So that alone has me enjoying WAR much more than WoW as well. To each his own right?

Thanks for the welcome :) Nice to read your responses lol I actually look forward to them :)

True true, at least of this humanity can agree on...it can't be worse than FF11 :P

I am waiting on a MMO to be more like a fun SP game give me that and I will hang around long enough to complete it with all the classes other wise why bother I refuse to put up with pointless grind in either SP or MP games... even more so on something I am being charged to play....

*puts foot in mouth*
Supposed modern balances in gaming drives me crazy because they suck FF12 MMO inspired the equipment is shtty an the skill system laughable and to think that is a geared to fun MMO setup.... *shudders*

more zippy rantage...it really is over 9000
(Strangles war monkey special mod.... now dual wiled is not working.... ggrrrrrrrr..... I just realized I code like a crazy hermit junkyard mechanic ..."mechanic's" things.... only with more cutting and pasting...LOL... ok I'll remake the ammo code files....if that doesn't work I'l dup it from the war monkey that is working fine....I'll bulldog it till it's fixed or I pass out!!).

This thing is keeping me from making a video of it >>

....wait......just found the issue with dual wiled ...was calling to the ammo pickup and not the weapon itself so it did not cue the dual wiled function.... didn't cause an error because the link worked and was a pickup of some kind..... now...back to the other issue *naw naw naw* nope it still sucks best I can do with it is have the AR pickup both AR and MG ammo and have the MG 300 ammo per pickup(including on the weapon spawn points)...least it will give the illusion of available ammo.... and for those that never played UT04 not all the amps have AR(assault rifle) ammo in the map, plus the AR sucks...

[EpicVandal]

More like WoW cloned daoc and put in ****ty PVP. The only reason WoW has so many players is because they got the entire design correct.

i do believe that is a contradiction that you have there.

I do agree that each person has their own flavor, i played SWG for years before finally throwing the game away when they did their "nge" crap.

and to the gentelman commenting upon avatars, whatchu got against metal zangief??!?!?!

[ZippyDSMlee]

i do believe that is a contradiction that you have there.

I do agree that each person has their own flavor, i played SWG for years before finally throwing the game away when they did their "nge" crap.

and to the gentelman commenting upon avatars, whatchu got against metal zangief??!?!?!
This is metal zangief
http://www.amazingtoyz.com/images/SFrev1zangiefCSCEXC_pp_copy.jpg
And the subtitle should read "I shall hug you to death fleshy flesh bot!"
edit
no wait fleshy comrade!!!!
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..... yes I kow my bwains are fried!

[Demontestament]

I don't think I will be playing this game. The spam on the message boards of other games I use to play or currently playing has killed the little interest I had. I decided that if the dev team of the game is desperate enough to litter the AoC forms with "Come see new PVP content videos. WAR is Coming, AOC has nothing on our PVP. Mages can one shot anyone!" something in there would be seriously lacking. Every day it is like this.

I was turned off when they eliminated a good part of the realm content and decided to knock the capital cities down to one or two for each faction which remind me of WoW cities.. The factions themselves look familiar (Dwarf, Human and Elf vs Orc(Greenskin), Undead(Dark ones?) and Dark Elves. The PVP might be better but it looks too much like WoW, not to mention I don't want to go back to an auto attack system.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I don't think I will be playing this game. The spam on the message boards of other games I use to play or currently playing has killed the little interest I had. I decided that if the dev team of the game is desperate enough to litter the AoC forms with "Come see new PVP content videos. WAR is Coming, AOC has nothing on our PVP. Mages can one shot anyone!" something in there would be seriously lacking. Every day it is like this.

I was turned off when they eliminated a good part of the realm content and decided to knock the capital cities down to one or two for each faction which remind me of WoW cities.. The factions themselves look familiar (Dwarf, Human and Elf vs Orc(Greenskin), Undead(Dark ones?) and Dark Elves. The PVP might be better but it looks too much like WoW, not to mention I don't want to go back to an auto attack system.

Even tho the fiction predates WC and WC tends to rip it well WC has raped the setting to death.

I am more interested in Champions online I know it will suck but its about the only thing that seems barely interesting...

[Demontestament]

Even tho the fiction predates WC and WC tends to rip it well WC has raped the setting to death.

I am more interested in Champions online I know it will suck but its about the only thing that seems barely interesting...

Oh I know Blizzard pretty much copied close to everything from War to create their work but I don't think I could go to a game that in a typical sense is just what Blizzard copied to make WC.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Oh I know Blizzard pretty much copied close to everything from War to create their work but I don't think I could go to a game that in a typical sense is just what Blizzard copied to make WC.

That was my point with the "WC has raped the setting to death." zippy speak.

[EpicVandal]

meh i agree that fantasy needs to be given a rest. I still would like to see a cyberpunk or shadowrun themed mmo out there.

[GI Jane]

What I ment by the entire design was the the actual cartoony effect wow has. The pretty colors and cute little gnomes make it appealing to the mass population of gamers. Personally I like the darker designed games. So I ment the graphics of the game. Not the schematics. :)

[GamesLaw]

What I ment by the entire design was the the actual cartoony effect wow has. The pretty colors and cute little gnomes make it appealing to the mass population of gamers. Personally I like the darker designed games. So I ment the graphics of the game. Not the schematics. :)

Yeah, I could care less about my colors being dark, I just want my graphics sharp and real looking, rather than cartoony.

[steelcobra]

meh i agree that fantasy needs to be given a rest. I still would like to see a cyberpunk or shadowrun themed mmo out there.

Shadowrun would be awesome, especially with custom rides, like the uparmored van with rail gun turret my character has.

[KN]

This is metal zangief
http://www.amazingtoyz.com/images/SFrev1zangiefCSCEXC_pp_copy.jpg

this owns so hard

[ZippyDSMlee]

this owns so hard

Y thank you sir *lick*
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Shadow run MMO would be nice but MS put FASA in the grave so thankfully we wont have to see it suck anymore......

[Magicalbum]

When if comes down to it, WoW is by far one of the most sucessfull MMO's out there and why? simple game design with an easy to learn interface and user friendly graphics that capivated the hearts of 16 million players and that is the most important part! for any game company that it's about numbers and making money.

WoW it's self isn't unique though, it has copied and improved from other MMO's flaws and it will eventually fail as we have all have seen a decrease in motivation and people looking for a new game to escape too. That's why there has been such an increase in MMO's today. Everyone see's the potential to create a new cash cow.

Also Blizzard's Warcraft and Starcraft is a knockoff from Warhammer and Warhammer 40k's board game, they saw a potential, twisted the stories a bit and TADA! a new game is born. (just look at Starcraft Terrans they look just like Space Marines!) DAOC is a knock off of EQ and Ultima and Fantasy Games in general are a knock off of DnD and DnD is a knock off of LoTR books. Anyone seeing a patern here?

Personally when you say WAR is Comming I think, "Another WoW is Comming" which isn't too exciting from what I saw in the beta videos, same type of interface, and what looked like poor combat animation. It might of been those bugs or the quality of the video, but still nothing new. But with this new exciting content that GI Jane was explaining shows some potential.

With WoW it had a history of RTS's that introduced the concept of WoW's storyline to a broad amount of people letting the World of Warcraft slowly sink into there skins and then BAM hit them with a revolutionary MMO. But with WAR being made directly from a board game, and some RTS's to back it up is still a newly fresh idea to the inexperienced, casual gamer group that makes up more than half the population of video gamers So personally I believe WAR will suit for more of a select crowd of players, contributing for a lower population of the game. Which doesn't relfect how well the game will play, but to own up to a giant like WOW will take more serious guns, more inovative ideas to captivate the minds of the casual gamers and convert them.

WAR shows potential, but so did AoC, LoTRO, and every other MMO that has been released and died from the release of WoW.

But in the end us hardcore MMO players will only make up 10% of the gaming populace, and truely it doesnt take 16million players and 300 different servers to make a game truely unique, its the crowd of people and a good indepth game that makes the experience and addiction we all crave.

[Demontestament]

Well I cannot be one to say that I don't in some cases give in to peer pressure. A few friends who I have known from WoW who transferred to AOC had finally talked me into giving WAR a shot. So I installed the game last night and played for an hour or so. The game play seems a little sluggish and lacking at times, but I constitute that to still being in the starting area. The attack system felt off to me, but I hold that to me being use to the combo system in Age of Conan so WAR's auto attack combat threw me off for a bit. The graphics are ok but I am wondering what happened to the characters and the early armor graphics. The faces look like semi deformed masks on some of the races and the armor, unless you are in massive plate looks as if it was just painted on the body of your character via cheap Korean MMO style. I haven't gotten to do any of the RVR stuff yet, like I said I only played for an hour or so last night. I am willing to give the game a chance and play through the first thirty days since they are free. I am hoping the game picks up soon, can anyone who is playing the game outside the starting areas please tell me things pick up once you are outside the level 1 areas?

[Demontestament]

When if comes down to it, WoW is by far one of the most sucessfull MMO's out there and why? simple game design with an easy to learn interface and user friendly graphics that capivated the hearts of 16 million players and that is the most important part! for any game company that it's about numbers and making money.

WoW it's self isn't unique though, it has copied and improved from other MMO's flaws and it will eventually fail as we have all have seen a decrease in motivation and people looking for a new game to escape too. That's why there has been such an increase in MMO's today. Everyone see's the potential to create a new cash cow.

Also Blizzard's Warcraft and Starcraft is a knockoff from Warhammer and Warhammer 40k's board game, they saw a potential, twisted the stories a bit and TADA! a new game is born. (just look at Starcraft Terrans they look just like Space Marines!) DAOC is a knock off of EQ and Ultima and Fantasy Games in general are a knock off of DnD and DnD is a knock off of LoTR books. Anyone seeing a patern here?

Personally when you say WAR is Comming I think, "Another WoW is Comming" which isn't too exciting from what I saw in the beta videos, same type of interface, and what looked like poor combat animation. It might of been those bugs or the quality of the video, but still nothing new. But with this new exciting content that GI Jane was explaining shows some potential.

With WoW it had a history of RTS's that introduced the concept of WoW's storyline to a broad amount of people letting the World of Warcraft slowly sink into there skins and then BAM hit them with a revolutionary MMO. But with WAR being made directly from a board game, and some RTS's to back it up is still a newly fresh idea to the inexperienced, casual gamer group that makes up more than half the population of video gamers So personally I believe WAR will suit for more of a select crowd of players, contributing for a lower population of the game. Which doesn't relfect how well the game will play, but to own up to a giant like WOW will take more serious guns, more inovative ideas to captivate the minds of the casual gamers and convert them.

WAR shows potential, but so did AoC, LoTRO, and every other MMO that has been released and died from the release of WoW.

But in the end us hardcore MMO players will only make up 10% of the gaming populace, and truely it doesnt take 16million players and 300 different servers to make a game truely unique, its the crowd of people and a good indepth game that makes the experience and addiction we all crave.

Am I missing something? When did their subscriptions jump from 10million to 16? They are still claiming a little over 10million in their ads and on their website. Not to bash on your post, you do make a few good points, but I am wondering what you meant by calling casual gamers inexperienced.

[GamesLaw]

When if comes down to it, WoW is by far one of the most sucessfull MMO's out there and why? simple game design with an easy to learn interface and user friendly graphics that capivated the hearts of 16 million players and that is the most important part! for any game company that it's about numbers and making money.

WoW it's self isn't unique though, it has copied and improved from other MMO's flaws and it will eventually fail as we have all have seen a decrease in motivation and people looking for a new game to escape too. That's why there has been such an increase in MMO's today. Everyone see's the potential to create a new cash cow.

Also Blizzard's Warcraft and Starcraft is a knockoff from Warhammer and Warhammer 40k's board game, they saw a potential, twisted the stories a bit and TADA! a new game is born. (just look at Starcraft Terrans they look just like Space Marines!) DAOC is a knock off of EQ and Ultima and Fantasy Games in general are a knock off of DnD and DnD is a knock off of LoTR books. Anyone seeing a patern here?

Personally when you say WAR is Comming I think, "Another WoW is Comming" which isn't too exciting from what I saw in the beta videos, same type of interface, and what looked like poor combat animation. It might of been those bugs or the quality of the video, but still nothing new. But with this new exciting content that GI Jane was explaining shows some potential.

With WoW it had a history of RTS's that introduced the concept of WoW's storyline to a broad amount of people letting the World of Warcraft slowly sink into there skins and then BAM hit them with a revolutionary MMO. But with WAR being made directly from a board game, and some RTS's to back it up is still a newly fresh idea to the inexperienced, casual gamer group that makes up more than half the population of video gamers So personally I believe WAR will suit for more of a select crowd of players, contributing for a lower population of the game. Which doesn't relfect how well the game will play, but to own up to a giant like WOW will take more serious guns, more inovative ideas to captivate the minds of the casual gamers and convert them.

WAR shows potential, but so did AoC, LoTRO, and every other MMO that has been released and died from the release of WoW.

But in the end us hardcore MMO players will only make up 10% of the gaming populace, and truely it doesnt take 16million players and 300 different servers to make a game truely unique, its the crowd of people and a good indepth game that makes the experience and addiction we all crave.

Er, what?
"simple game design with an easy to learn interface and user friendly graphics that capivated the hearts of 16 million players and that is the most important part! for any game company that it's about numbers and making money."

Please remove blizzard dick from mouth, and repeat. Simple game design? Laughable, as any raiding person would know. Easy to learn interface? Again, laughable, you're not a viable player without a customized interface. User friendly graphics? Graphics are typically one of the most derided things about WoW, because they're cartoony.

"WAR shows potential, but so did AoC, LoTRO, and every other MMO that has been released and died from the release of WoW."

Again, er what? LoTRO is not dead, it's chugging along making quite a bit of money for Turbine, and racking up awards. AoC is struggling, but has a dedicated fan base. Every other MMO? So like, Guild Wars is dead, several expansions later? EQ2 isn't coming out with another expansion?

"Personally when you say WAR is Comming I think, "Another WoW is Comming" which isn't too exciting from what I saw in the beta videos, same type of interface, and what looked like poor combat animation."

So what you're saying is that you haven't actually played the game? WAR is completely different than WoW, in both interface, general play design, and style.

[georox]

"Personally when you say WAR is Comming I think, "Another WoW is Comming"



When I saw WoW was coming, I thought, "Wow, someone really ****ed up a Warhammer MMO and made this?" Then I remembered... "Oh wait, Warcraft ripped off Warhammer before."

It all goes full circle.

[GI Jane]

I have hit level 20 and I am still impressed. There are so many things to do besides questing. I was a tad bit bored with the questing at lvl 19 because thats all I was doing. So I decided to hit up the Greenskin area and do some rvr scenerios. I quickly hit 20 in a matter of 3 scenerios and went to go buy my mount. I have learned that the crafting system takes a little while to get used to and not one of the two to choose from is really doable solo. But, I do take into consideration that this game is still in for a lot more when it comes to their first expansion and many patches to come. I remain hopeful because I really havent found anything in the game that makes me not want to play it. If peoples only gripe is that the combat is a bit slower than wow.. Well, thats not a valid gripe by any means.

[KN]

where is my 40k mmo

[Magicalbum]

Er, what?
"simple game design with an easy to learn interface and user friendly graphics that capivated the hearts of 16 million players and that is the most important part! for any game company that it's about numbers and making money."

Please remove blizzard dick from mouth, and repeat. Simple game design? Laughable, as any raiding person would know. Easy to learn interface? Again, laughable, you're not a viable player without a customized interface. User friendly graphics? Graphics are typically one of the most derided things about WoW, because they're cartoony.

"WAR shows potential, but so did AoC, LoTRO, and every other MMO that has been released and died from the release of WoW."

Again, er what? LoTRO is not dead, it's chugging along making quite a bit of money for Turbine, and racking up awards. AoC is struggling, but has a dedicated fan base. Every other MMO? So like, Guild Wars is dead, several expansions later? EQ2 isn't coming out with another expansion?

"Personally when you say WAR is Comming I think, "Another WoW is Comming" which isn't too exciting from what I saw in the beta videos, same type of interface, and what looked like poor combat animation."

So what you're saying is that you haven't actually played the game? WAR is completely different than WoW, in both interface, general play design, and style.


Well.. maybe you mistook what i said as if i praise Blizzard, and had a type o w/ the 16 million i was simply just trying to point out there accomplishments with WoW and how hard it would really be to compare another MMO against WoW.

Primarly the game is based around a simple design,a 3rd person rpg w/ an auto-attack, number based combat system w/ different skills and abilities. what makes end game raids comprehensive and difficult is you have to coordinate w/ other people and there skills. which is more of the content of the game not the design.

Not a viable player w/o a custom interface? well thats besides the point the point was, the initial interface is easily read and understandable so even children can understand. and sure custom interfaces do make the UI more complex, and help out a lot especially when coordinating raids, but still not needed to considered a "Viable" player especially when arena gear is matching end game raiding gear... besides not every "viable player" uses a custom UI

And you probably didn't understand what i meant by user friendly graphics, as in they are cartoony! which makes it more friendly. for more serious players ya its derided, they want serious graphics, cause there "serious gamers" personally i like the cartoony graphics, they dont look bad and still give that "dude, its just a game" type of feeling

As for LoTRO, your right, i shouldn't of used that as an example w/o proper research, but like you said its "chugging" along, along with all the other mmos, each MMO has its own fan base that keeps them from hitting the zapper, which really is the main essence, keeping those games alive for as long as possible so those companies can keep that cash flow comming in. but when you compare LoTRO, Guild Wars (North American not Korean), EQ, AoC, EVE, w/e it is, it's faught and lost against WoW so ya there ability to be the next tyrant is over, there dead.

W/O hands on experience I can't completely deny WAR of being the next awesomeist game ever, but from what i saw, it looks like wow, with a twist, a 3rd person auto attack rpg with numbers, and skills and blah blah blah, so ya it looks like another wow, so did LoTRO when it came out WoW w/ different content and thats what it is. Personally I'm looking for something with a new edge, something inovative and exciting, I was really looking forward to AoC. but that doesnt seem to be doing so well, yet another game i have no hands on experience with, i can just go by hear/say. ( i cant play any MMO's in Iraq =/)

WAR does seems like an interesting game, with great content that can bring a new vibe to the MMO market, i would definately would like to give it a try, i just hope that people wont be burned off with the same type of design that wow has been using as well.

[GamesLaw]

without addressing the substance of your post, which I'll get to another time, I played MMORPGs just fine in Iraq in 2003. I can't imagine it being harder now.