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Soldat_Louis
09-05-2008, 11:46 AM
If you haven't read GP stories about it, go there (http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/04/european-parliament-concerned-about-gender-stereotyping-games) and there (http://www.gamepolitics.com/2008/09/05/female-gamer-lauds-european-action-gender-stereotyping).

In the EP report linked in the first article, something caught my attention : according to Sweden's Eva-Britt Svensson, EP member who authored the report (http://www.europarl.europa.eu//sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-//EP//TEXT+REPORT+A6-2008-0199+0+DOC+XML+V0//EN):

[EP] Draws attention to the report entitled “Con la violencia hacia las mujeres no se juega” ('Violence against women is no game'), published in 2004 by Amnesty International in Spain. The report shows how a stereotyped, sexist, and often degrading image of women is presented by the new electronic media. The report concludes that the majority of video games constitute one more element in the reproduction of discriminatory stereotypes against women that perpetuate and trivialise abuses against their human rights;

Well, I managed to retrieve this Amnesty International report, because the link given in the EP report was bad. You can catch it here : http://cv.uoc.edu/~amnistia/educa/videojocs/04/vid-04-12.pdf. And if you don't read Spanish, Googletrad will allow you to understand the essential.

Well, as I've said on a comment under GP's second article, the Amnesty study never concluded that "the majority of video games constitute one more element in the reproduction of discriminatory stereotypes against women". Granted, it mentions a lot of games labeled as sexist, violent, disrespectful for human rights, etc. But it never talks about the majority of games.

And this being said, this report is terribly misguided. As I've said in my comment : "the main problem of this study is that it puts on the same level commercial games such as GTA San Andreas, niche games only found in Japan, and online "games" such as Kaboom : Suicide Bomber. The result ? They find video games filled with rape, torture and racism. It's just like putting Hollywood blockbusters along with snuff movies, happy slapping videos, Daniel Pearl's execution... and concluding anything about "cinema" as a whole".

I'm not trying to minimize the problem of gender stereotyping, be it in video games or in another medium. Nor am I trying to say that Amnesty International Spain or Eva-Britt Svensson are totally wrong, or are just a bunch of paranoid control-freaks. I understand, and share, their concerns. I'm just saying that they're seriously misguided about video game medium and market.

Sam-Kitsune
09-09-2008, 02:36 PM
And yet, it's perfectly kosher for females to kick a lot of ass in first-person shooters. No only this is a messed up society and world. If this insanity keeps up, it may reach to the point that I may blend in.

Hannah
09-09-2008, 03:19 PM
Well, there are a lot of very stereotypical and arguably sexist portrayals of women in games, but I don't think it's worth worrying about for one simple reason: men get the exact same treatment.

Stereotypes exist in entertainment media because we (the audience) want them. We don't want our games, movies or books to perfectly mirror reality -- we want an escape, and for many of us, that includes playing the role of a large-breasted heroine or ridiculously muscular hero.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more variety in games, and I'm actually happiest playing the role of a complete loser who triumphs against all odds, but... most people don't want to play a loser, or even a "real" man/woman. They get enough of that in reality.

Also, strong, capable female protagonists (who can do everything a man can do and better!) are annoying as hell. Gimme a girl with some serious character flaws -- hell, make her a mockery of all that is feminine -- and as long as she still manages to save the day (as any good protagonist should), I'll love her.

beemoh
09-09-2008, 03:32 PM
Also, strong, capable female protagonists (who can do everything a man can do and better!) are annoying as hell.

http://www.overthinkingit.com/2008/08/18/why-strong-female-characters-are-bad-for-women/

MUTANT SPUD
09-10-2008, 09:26 AM
Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see more variety in games, and I'm actually happiest playing the role of a complete loser who triumphs against all odds, but... most people don't want to play a loser, or even a "real" man/woman. They get enough of that in reality.Hooray, I'm with you on that, games are games not "experiences", I'm one of those gamers who wants games to be as far from reality as possible. I created an avatar replica of myself in Skate which was freakily accurate but the attraction was the over the top situations I could put that avatar in not the fact that I was representing myself to other gamers or having an "experience".
If sociologists or government panels of inquiry want to harp on about human rights infringements in gaming they need to spend a little time in a COD4 or Gears Of War match, it's players attitudes and online behaviour that are by far the most offensive part of gaming culture not the content of the software, which is on the whole drastically less egregious than a lot of film and television material.