Saddam sentenced to death.

[Hank the Tank]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/05/dujail.saddam/index.html

*laughs

and by hanging too!

*laughs even harder

In related news,there are mixed reactions to this ruling.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/11/05/hussein.world.reax/index.html

[bayushisan]

All things considered I'm not shocked that Saddam got the death penalty. It looks like that in some cases, justice does indeed exist.

[kurisu7885]

I'm surprised it took this long.

ANd why the hell are people worried about thiS?

[John]

I'm surprised it took this long.

ANd why the hell are people worried about thiS?

It'll make him a martyr to those that follow him. Basically give him a saint status.

That, and hanging is not that humane, even if he is inhumane to begin with.

[Hank the Tank]

It'll make him a martyr to those that follow him. Basically give him a saint status.

That, and hanging is not that humane, even if he is inhumane to begin with.

From what the History Channel tells me, hanging is a pretty quick way to go unless there are complications.

[cyn1c42]

From what the History Channel tells me, hanging is a pretty quick way to go unless there are complications.

Complications happen very often though

[Garbage Pail Kid]

I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.

[KN]

In before Free Saddam

[wxDiva]

According to the news, he automatically gets an appeal, but he gets executed if the appeal isn't lifted in 30 days. Mark your calendars.

Also, in before altering election and propaganda accusations.

[Dagrak]

I think the death penalty for him is a huge mistake and injustice and here is why:

1) Martyrdom
2) It will lead to increased terrorist attacks (as they claimed it would)
3) A man with his list of crimes doesn't deserve an easy way out, he should be made to suffer in prison for the rest of his misbegotten life. He should be left to be forgotten rather then to be immortalised.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I think the death penalty for him is a huge mistake and injustice and here is why:

1) Martyrdom
2) It will lead to increased terrorist attacks (as they claimed it would)
3) A man with his list of crimes doesn't deserve an easy way out, he should be made to suffer in prison for the rest of his misbegotten life. He should be left to be forgotten rather then to be immortalised.

I'll have to agree criminal goverment leaders don't deserve death...he needs to be humiliated more by being handled like a normal prisoner !

On the other hand "normal" rapists and killers need to be hunged they can use the same rope and save a dime,no need to hold so many in jail jsut to return to jail. ^^

[Dagrak]

On the other hand "normal" rapists and killers need to be hunged they can use the same rope and save a dime,no need to hold so many in jail jsut to return to jail. ^^

Well I disagree on the whole concept of the death penalty anyway, simply because it doesn't put people off commiting the crime and what makes a state sanctioned death any better then murder? I'd rather see a reduction in prison niceties and more life sentences then see them executed.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well I disagree on the whole concept of the death penalty anyway, simply because it doesn't put people off commiting the crime and what makes a state sanctioned death any better then murder? I'd rather see a reduction in prison niceties and more life sentences then see them executed.

So letting rapiests and killers who have "hurt" more than 3 people go to do it again is better than saying...ya know reason dictates that some human life is more precious than others.... we simply don't have the money and space to "hold" them all....and yes it will deter them once it becomes clear,right now a murder can walk or get parole there is not justice in it.

[Anjin-San]

So letting rapiests and killers who have "hurt" more than 3 people go to do it again is better than saying...ya know reason dictates that some human life is more precious than others.... we simply don't have the money and space to "hold" them all....and yes it will deter them once it becomes clear,right now a murder can walk or get parole there is not justice in it.

Right. And by right I mean you're completely and utterly wrong on every level that could exist. Ever.

As to Dagrak's comment about Hussein's death somehow leading to martyrdom and so forth....I doubt it. He was a "broken-back" dictator. The terrorists saw an opportunity with this war and took it. I severely doubt it's because they had similiar interests with Saddam.

[Dagrak]

So letting rapiests and killers who have "hurt" more than 3 people go to do it again is better than saying...<b>ya know reason dictates that some human life is more precious than others</b>.... we simply don't have the money and space to "hold" them all....and yes it will deter them once it becomes clear,right now a murder can walk or get parole there is not justice in it.

OK, that line there really sums up the crux of my argument. NO HUMAN LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS THEN OTHERS. Just because someone commits a crime, no matter how horrific, does not make them less then human. They are still a living, breathing, feeling individual, someones child maybe even someones parent. We are all equal, regardless of who we are or what we have done. Taking their life does not make it all better or instill justice, it just makes you as bad as them, especially when you have people cheering about it.

The death penalty does not and has not worked as a deterrant, people either commit the crime on a whim/impulse or simply do not care about the consequences. If you die thats it, end of problem, thats why these latest trends of killers often take their own life, because there is no punishment involved. Now look at the killers who have survived and are in prison, look at how miserable the (non mentally-deranged) ones are. Ask yourself which you would rather have, a quick death or years of incarceration.

I'm aware that there is obviously going to be a difference in view simply due to geographical location. I'm British and we have outlawed execution for a considerable time, whereas it is still practiced in the USA. I'd rather see the Iraqi tyrant live longer and be reduced to nothing then see him die as a hero.

As to Dagrak's comment about Hussein's death somehow leading to martyrdom and so forth....I doubt it. He was a "broken-back" dictator. The terrorists saw an opportunity with this war and took it. I severely doubt it's because they had similiar interests with Saddam.

Ah but now he dies as a symbol for their cause, regardless of whether he was part of their cause or not. Think of it like the ending of V for Vendetta, they want a symbol, an idea which they can use as an excuse to their actions.

[KN]

The only people that ever liked Saddam that much to begin are part of the Sunni minority in Iraq. And I guess only about 10% of them are insane enough to start blowing **** up.

Most of the terror attacks have absolutely nothing to do with Saddam sympathizers and are just your average terrorists that added high concentration of western forces + general disarray together.

[Grahamr]

For Great ****ing justice!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No really, it's about time we see some results. The Soldier dude the found him should have just pulled the trigger.

[wxDiva]

Regardless of whether or not Sadaam dies, it's likely that he'll be used as a symbol for religious fanatics. We all know by know that if he's executed he'll probably be martyred. Problem is, if we let him rot in prison, there will likely be attacks with the intentions of getting him freed. It's too bad that seeing him being punished like he deserves (execution or not) will yield even more problems.

[Silver_Derstin]

The best punishment for Saddam Hussein would probably be to just make him disappear. Don't say you killed him, jailed him, sent him to Siberia... Just make him COMPLETELY disappear so nobody knows what happened to him.

[Tollwutig]

OK, that line there really sums up the crux of my argument. NO HUMAN LIFE IS MORE PRECIOUS THEN OTHERS. Just because someone commits a crime, no matter how horrific, does not make them less then human. They are still a living, breathing, feeling individual, someones child maybe even someones parent. We are all equal, regardless of who we are or what we have done. Taking their life does not make it all better or instill justice, it just makes you as bad as them, especially when you have people cheering about it.


I beg to contest your argument that some criminals are not less than human. In the case of a clinical psychopath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath) they are not feeling individuals, and do not share empathy. Thus there is no rehabilitation, and if ever allowed out they WILL continue their crimes, and are likely to continue it unless they are left in total isolation.

[Dagrak]

I beg to contest your argument that some criminals are not less than human. In the case of a clinical psychopath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopath) they are not feeling individuals, and do not share empathy. Thus there is no rehabilitation, and if ever allowed out they WILL continue their crimes, and are likely to continue it unless they are left in total isolation.

In this case the death penalty again serves no purpose other then convenience which is a pretty poor argument to place someones life on. A psychopath does not fear or feel any remorse to their actions, as such the death penalty serves as no deterant. Its only purpose here is to avoid having to supervise the individual within a contained environment. Mental institutions exist to deal with such patients and mostly such criminals avoid the death penalty under the insanity clause as they cannot trully be held accountable for their actions. They are still human, just as any other individual with a mental impairment is.

[Grahamr]

The best punishment for Saddam Hussein would probably be to just make him disappear. Don't say you killed him, jailed him, sent him to Siberia... Just make him COMPLETELY disappear so nobody knows what happened to him.

*Points to osama*

They tried that with him. Not much has changed.

[Samson Effect]

*Points to osama*

They tried that with him. Not much has changed.

Not really, he wasn't captured, he wend into hiding. The public knows he's still around, I'm pretty sure. He didn't 'disappear' in the sense that Derstin means. He means that Saddam should simply be made to cease to exist.

[John]

I'm kinda on Dagrak's side on this. I know I said that I am apathetic towards the death penalty, but if push comes to shove, I'm kinda against it.

To kill someone because they killed someone makes you no better then the guy who killed someone. Eye for an eye justice makes the whole world go blind (paraphrased Ghandi quote).

And quite frankly, if someone killed me or someone I know, I wouldn't want to give them the easy way out. I'd rather have them rot in prison.

The problem I see is that prisoners have too much of a good life. Like someone mentioned in the new debate thread, free food, free sleep, etc, etc. which a lot of lower class/poor people don't even have. If anything, I think prisoners should be given less luxury, and make prison once again a place to be feared rather then a free all-inclusive hotel getaway.

And on a last note, how many people were given the death penalty were actually innocent? It's easier to catch the people now with DNA evidence and better forensics and all, but before all that, how many people were wrongly put to death? And even if new technology being is being used to catch criminals, it doesn't make it fool-proof.

Anyway, that's my two-cents.

[MisterS]

good ridence the ba$t@rd. he can go to hell!!

[ZippyDSMlee]

I'm kinda on Dagrak's side on this. I know I said that I am apathetic towards the death penalty, but if push comes to shove, I'm kinda against it.

To kill someone because they killed someone makes you no better then the guy who killed someone. Eye for an eye justice makes the whole world go blind (paraphrased Ghandi quote).

And quite frankly, if someone killed me or someone I know, I wouldn't want to give them the easy way out. I'd rather have them rot in prison.

The problem I see is that prisoners have too much of a good life. Like someone mentioned in the new debate thread, free food, free sleep, etc, etc. which a lot of lower class/poor people don't even have. If anything, I think prisoners should be given less luxury, and make prison once again a place to be feared rather then a free all-inclusive hotel getaway.

And on a last note, how many people were given the death penalty were actually innocent? It's easier to catch the people now with DNA evidence and better forensics and all, but before all that, how many people were wrongly put to death? And even if new technology being is being used to catch criminals, it doesn't make it fool-proof.

Anyway, that's my two-cents.
So ending their life humanely and cheaply is worse than putting them to work breaking rocks all day or other back breaking labor?
So insted of just gettign it over with we treat them like slaves.....

[John]

So ending their life humanely and cheaply is worse than putting them to work breaking rocks all day or other back breaking labor?
So insted of just gettign it over with we treat them like slaves.....

Free labour's not all that bad. I mean, it's only competition'll be aliens from Mexico.

[Hank the Tank]

Saddam has too much influence to be left alive. Even the Catholic Church agrees that if a person cannot be successfully removed from society that they should be killed.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Free labour's not all that bad. I mean, it's only competition'll be aliens from Mexico.

so we ues the "slave" labours to replace some/most of the working slave wagers so the working slave wagers can build the "houseing" complex's for the slave labours?


Hank the Tank

Meh for this one you kill him its like auto fame a boost in rep we don't need to give him,we keep him well feed and humble we demoralize the enemy if he every escapes it might be a double boot in his rep....mmmmmmm or he can hide in Pakistan the new resort for terrorists in hiddening...mmmm no wonder Dubya was so quick to trade mango's for nukes with India 0-o

[John]

so we ues the "slave" labours to replace some/most of the working slave wagers so the working slave wagers can build the "houseing" complex's for the slave labours?

Ever heard of sarcasim.

And when I meant less luxury, I meant it as no TVs and no gym (seriously, why do they have a gym? Just to make them stronger!? WTF?).

And ****tify the food too.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Ever heard of sarcasim.

And when I meant less luxury, I meant it as no TVs and no gym (seriously, why do they have a gym? Just to make them stronger!? WTF?).

And ****tify the food too.

Funny thing about no exercise and no healthy grull..it makes them sick..and guess who takes care of them then.....thus why death is a better option at least for thos that have killed a few poeple and thos that cant seem to stop rapeing people.

No to mention geting help from the ACLU or other humanitarian groups to make living conditions "better"......its not like I am calling for death for people that have screwed up once or twice 4 or so times your worth as a human has just went into the negatives,while it sucks to have to kill anything its well within the law to do so.

[John]

Funny thing about no exercise and no healthy grull..it makes them sick..and guess who takes care of them then.....thus why death is a better option at least for thos that have killed a few poeple and thos that cant seem to stop rapeing people.

No to mention geting help from the ACLU or other humanitarian groups to make living conditions "better"......its not like I am calling for death for people that have screwed up once or twice 4 or so times your worth as a human has just went into the negatives,while it sucks to have to kill anything its well within the law to do so.

But you see, the death sentence doesn't work. People are still killing other people by the bulk. The death sentence is no longer intimidating, especially with such nice living conditions that the poor don't even have.

And ****tifing food doesn't necessarily mean feeding them literal crap. If healths important, feed them only health food that taste like crap but is supposedly good for you. That way they're healthy but without the gym, with god-aweful tasting food to boot.

This, of course, only applies to murderers, rapists, child molesters, etc. Since they're at the bottom of the barral of criminals.