The new WoW Achievement System

[Demontestament]

As everyone might have heard, World of Warcraft will be implemented with an Achievement point system come the WotLK expansion. Now while this might sound like a good idea on paper lets take a look into what havoc this is going to cause people in game.

Sadly like most MMORPGs, in WoW your character was judged one a few things (Most of which don't matter) like what your Rep was with a certain Faction, If you have an Epic Flying mount or not, if said epic mount was a netherdrake, what Race/Class/Spec you chose. But lets face it the two biggest things people judge each other on in the game is their Arena Ranking and their Gear, having a low arena ranking or not being in a full set of the newest PVP gear left most open for major criticism by the horde of morons who describe themselves as "Hardcore". If you were in above a certain ranking you were ridiculed with names like carebear and nub, if you did not have the "right" armor you were told to L2P or Learn to Play (God I hate that saying). Sadly when a game gets as big as WoW does, a certain elitest mentality roots itself into the minds of a portion of its players. Everyone who thinks it matters strives to be looked at as an Elite, looking down on everyone else under them from their mountains of gold and glory.

When the Elite mentality spreads through a game, people start to act different and refuse to do anything with anyone who does not think to the cookie cutter theory of how to do something. It used to be what gear you had, then arena ranking and now sadly the Achievement system will ruin anything decent that WoW had left. Soon people will ridicule others because they don't have X Achievements, or because their points are not as high as theirs. Achievement Points will become prerequisites to joining parties, raid groups or guilds. Those who are not Achievement oriented will be looked down on as "Casual Scum" and will be subject to even more abuse than they were receiving because they wanted to do something other than Arena when they logged on.

Maybe what I am saying is a little over the edge, maybe I am thinking about the worse case scenario. But seeing as what Gamerscore does to some people on XBL I have a feeling it is going to be far worse than originally thought of on WoW.

[KN]

WoW is dead, love live WoW

[kurisu7885]

The guild I'm in is actually full of cool helpful people, so I'm not going to stop playing because of one new feature that may ruin it for others. Luckily I hardly run across those you speak of.

Hell, ran across an arena whore once while playing on a blood elf, he was ridiculed right out of the chat channel.

[Demontestament]

The guild I'm in is actually full of cool helpful people, so I'm not going to stop playing because of one new feature that may ruin it for others. Luckily I hardly run across those you speak of.

Hell, ran across an arena whore once while playing on a blood elf, he was ridiculed right out of the chat channel.

Are you on a PVE or PVP server?

[Thefremen]

I'd treat achievements on WoW the same way I treat them in TF2. "Oh cool. I got an achievement."

[kurisu7885]

Are you on a PVE or PVP server?

RP server actually. Farstriders.

[kurisu7885]

I'd treat achievements on WoW the same way I treat them in TF2. "Oh cool. I got an achievement."

Same way I treat the XP bar. I hardly notice it till a ding.

[Waylon]

Haven't played WoW in forever, but, just out of curiosity, what kind of achievements are there? Like, X number killed? X feet fallen? Or is there no information yet?

[steelcobra]

As long as I can still find other players who couldn't give a rat's ass about them to run instances, I don't care. The ones who will care are the same douchebags who say a warrior has to tank, anyways.

[kurisu7885]

Haven't played WoW in forever, but, just out of curiosity, what kind of achievements are there? Like, X number killed? X feet fallen? Or is there no information yet?

There's, as well as ones for exploration, and I think I saw one for something as simple as getting your first haircut.

Yes, there will be barbershops.

And they're already started stacking explosives to open up Stormwind harbor.

[steelcobra]

There's, as well as ones for exploration, and I think I saw one for something as simple as getting your first haircut.

Yes, there will be barbershops.

And they're already started stacking explosives to open up Stormwind harbor.

Plus players should get a ton just installing if they've hit 70 anyways.

[KN]

Plus players should get a ton just installing if they've hit 70 anyways.

Maybe it's like Sony's trophies and they're not retroactive.

[Thefremen]

Maybe it's like Sony's trophies and they're not retroactive.

Nah, a few of the ones leaked to wowinsider have text liek "a reward for those already experienced in the old world of azeroth".

[steelcobra]

Maybe it's like Sony's trophies and they're not retroactive.

No, according to the site they are. And there are some for stuff you can't get anymore, like the PvP titles.

[randomuser83]

Yea they will be retroactive but its mainly in regard to raiding. Like what bosses or dungeons they beat.

[kurisu7885]

No, according to the site they are. And there are some for stuff you can't get anymore, like the PvP titles.

Seems like a nice way for newer players to get stuff they missed out on.

[Demontestament]

Like I said before, the idea sounds good on paper. But I have a feeling that this is going to be another way for people to judge each other on their "Skill" in the game. Now both gear and achievements will constitute if a player will be allowed to join a raid group or not. I just have a feeling that this is going to make the experience worse for most players, kind of like what BC turned the game into.

And kurisu7885 RP servers are fine when it comes to a low ****tard population who focuses on everything that is not important why trying to judge another people on if they are good enough to be in a five foot radius of them. Now on a PVP server the ****tards greatly outnumber the normal people. Think of it as the chatter from the retarded kids on XBL, not multiply that by ten.

[kurisu7885]

Honestly I haven't had those problems with the game or with the people. And the type of douchebags that would place such importance on achievements are ones I tend to avoid anyway

[Pominator]

Personally I think Guild Wars has it worked out for MMO "Achievements"

You perform certain actions and achieve great things (vanquishing all areas in the world of enemies is one) and you get a title, when you get this title in all worlds (Tyria, Cantha, Elona) you get one of the statues in your personal hall of heroes.

This allows the player to build up an array of personal achievement statues whenever he totals the requirements in each world.

when he does it 5,10,15,20, 25 and 30 times (effectively earning the same amount of statues and taking his personal honour monument to the top) he gets a different major title, each a reference to Anchorman:The legend of Ron Burgundy!

Here is the list:

Rank Title Name Titles Maxed
1 Kind Of A Big Deal 5
2 People Know Me 10
3 I'm Very Important 15
4 I Have Many Leather-Bound Books 20
5 My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany 25
6 God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals 30

[Thefremen]

Personally I think Guild Wars has it worked out for MMO "Achievements"

You perform certain actions and achieve great things (vanquishing all areas in the world of enemies is one) and you get a title, when you get this title in all worlds (Tyria, Cantha, Elona) you get one of the statues in your personal hall of heroes.

This allows the player to build up an array of personal achievement statues whenever he totals the requirements in each world.

when he does it 5,10,15,20, 25 and 30 times (effectively earning the same amount of statues and taking his personal honour monument to the top) he gets a different major title, each a reference to Anchorman:The legend of Ron Burgundy!

Here is the list:

Rank Title Name Titles Maxed
1 Kind Of A Big Deal 5
2 People Know Me 10
3 I'm Very Important 15
4 I Have Many Leather-Bound Books 20
5 My Guild Hall Smells of Rich Mahogany 25
6 God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals 30

If guild wars wasn't highly instanced this would make me play it.

[georox]

If guild wars wasn't highly instanced this would make me play it.

If Guild Wars wasn't a pay-for-the-box Free2Play Korean MMO this would make me play it....

Seriously. How do people pay for the expansions/downloads for that game and NOT notice the rape?

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I'm achievementwhoring early on.

[boiled_elephant]

I'd treat achievements on WoW the same way I treat them in TF2. "Oh cool. I got an achievement."

Likewise. The achievement system doesn't translate into rewards or a pragmatically better character, so it's hard to take them seriously. Anyone who does deserves to be ignored - if anyone tries to assess your worth in an instance group based on your achievement points, that's a surefire sign that you'd be best leaving (or kicking them if you're the leader) ASAP.

Also, the whole point of achievements, paradoxically, is that they're pointless - they reward really obscure things like loving level 1 critters and learning a certain number of recipes. They're only meant to be fun, I'm sure.

[kurisu7885]

Likewise. The achievement system doesn't translate into rewards or a pragmatically better character, so it's hard to take them seriously. Anyone who does deserves to be ignored - if anyone tries to assess your worth in an instance group based on your achievement points, that's a surefire sign that you'd be best leaving (or kicking them if you're the leader) ASAP.

Also, the whole point of achievements, paradoxically, is that they're pointless - they reward really obscure things like loving level 1 critters and learning a certain number of recipes. They're only meant to be fun, I'm sure.

That's one thing I love about WoW. Unlike most MMOS that are completely combat drive, WoW has vanity pets, custom mounts, toy, dances, jokes, the achievements, and a whole bunch of other stupid **** that is nearly completely pointless, but it is fun. I mean, most MMOs don't even have holidays where you can do goofy quests, WoW does.

[GamesLaw]

That's one thing I love about WoW. Unlike most MMOS that are completely combat drive, WoW has vanity pets, custom mounts, toy, dances, jokes, the achievements, and a whole bunch of other stupid **** that is nearly completely pointless, but it is fun. I mean, most MMOs don't even have holidays where you can do goofy quests, WoW does.

Actually, almost all MMORPGs have those things.

[Demontestament]

That's one thing I love about WoW. Unlike most MMOS that are completely combat drive, WoW has vanity pets, custom mounts, toy, dances, jokes, the achievements, and a whole bunch of other stupid **** that is nearly completely pointless, but it is fun. I mean, most MMOs don't even have holidays where you can do goofy quests, WoW does.

Save for AOC every MMORPG I have played has had a good portion of what you listed.