Rev.Ted Haggard admits calling Male Escort,but only to get drugs

[Demontestament]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html

COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- The Rev. Ted Haggard, who resigned as one of the nation's top evangelical leaders, admitted Friday he had contacted male prostitute Mike Jones "for a massage" and bought drugs from him.

Haggard said he never had sex with Jones and never used the methamphetamine drug he bought.

He was one of a group of religious leaders who regularly participated in conference calls with White House aides. (Watch what Haggard said about the drugs he bought -- 1:59)

Haggard told reporters earlier this week that he did not know Jones, who claims to have had a three-year sex-for-money relationship with the pastor.

Haggard, 50, resigned Thursday as leader of the National Association of Evangelicals -- a group representing more than 45,000 churches and 30 million people -- and he also stepped down temporarily from leadership at New Life Church in Colorado Springs.

Haggard told CNN affiliate KUSA-TV on Friday that he received Jones' name as "a referral" from a hotel where he was staying in Denver.

He did not name the hotel. "I did call him," Haggard said. "I called him to buy some meth, but I threw it away.

"I was buying it for me, but I never used it. I was tempted, I bought it, but I never used it.

"He told me about it. I went there for a massage."

Earlier, Jones said he would not back down from his allegations despite a polygraph test that a polygraph administrator said showed "deception."

Jones took the test voluntarily, answering questions about his alleged ties with the Haggard.

Test administrator John Kresnik said the results "did show deception" but that Jones was physically and mentally exhausted. Kresnik said he would like to take the test again after Jones had slept and eaten, which could provide more trustworthy results. (Watch Haggard's response to whether he knows gay men in Denver -- 2:07 )

The Rev. Ross Parsley, who assumed leadership of Haggard's church, said Haggard had made "some admission of indiscretion -- not an admission to all of the material that has been discussed, but there is an admission of some guilt."

Time magazine named Haggard as one 2005's 25 most influential evangelical leaders and has close ties with the White House, participating in a regular conference call with other religious leaders. ()

White House counselor Dan Bartlett said Friday that the "revelations" are "shocking and disgraceful if they turn out to be true. I think it's important that we do find out exactly what it is right and what is wrong here and get to the bottom of it."

Haggard has put himself on administrative leave as senior pastor of the 14,000-member Colorado Springs church.

Church members who spoke with The Associated Press were stunned. "It's political, right before the elections," said longtime member Brian Boals, according to the AP. Another, E.J. Cox, 25, told the AP the allegations are "ridiculous." "People are always saying stuff about Pastor Ted," she told AP. "You just sort of blow it off. He's just like anyone else in the public eye."

Jones: 'I won't back down'
During a radio interview after the polygraph test, Jones said, "I'm disappointed. I won't back down from statements." (Watch Jones' take on Haggard's denial -- 1:20)

Haggard told CNN affiliate KUSA-TV on Wednesday, "I've never had a gay relationship with anybody. I'm steady with my wife. I'm faithful to my wife."

He added, "I have never done drugs, ever -- not even in high school."

Jones said he has an envelope containing two $100 bills from Haggard, and saved telephone messages from him.

KUSA reported that a nationally known voice recognition expert concluded the voicemails left for Jones probably were from Haggard. A more detailed analysis was under way.

In at least one of the messages, the speaker identifies himself as "Art." Jones said Haggard used the name Art during their alleged three-year affair, with the last tryst occurring in August.

Haggard's middle name is Arthur.

Haggard told reporters this week he does not know Mike Jones.

"He knows I'm Mike Jones," Jones told KHOW. Asked whether he believed Haggard was "lying," Jones responded, "He's lying."

Jones added that if he were making up the accusation, "I could've made it even worse than it was. But I'm just telling you what happened when I was with him."

State considers same-sex marriage ban
Jones said that four months ago he learned Haggard's true identity when he saw him on television. He said he became upset when he learned that Haggard's church supported the proposed constitutional ban.

Colorado is one of eight states where voters will consider bans on same-sex marriage.

"I cried many nights, I got sick tormenting myself about whether I should do this," he said. "I finally had to come to peace with myself ... I had to do the moral thing."

Jones, who said he no longer worked as a prostitute, described himself as a Christian and said that while he was a registered Democrat, he had voted for Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush for president.

In a written statement issued by his church Thursday, Haggard said he could "not continue to minister under the cloud created by the accusations."

"I am voluntarily stepping aside from leadership so that the overseer process can be allowed to proceed with integrity," he said. "I hope to be able to discuss this matter in more detail at a later date. In the interim, I will seek both spiritual advice and guidance."

The church's lawyer, Martin Nussbaum, told the Denver Post earlier Thursday that Haggard's resignation as head of the National Association of Evangelicals was in no way an admission of guilt.

Under the church's governing structure, a board of overseers, made up of four senior pastors of other congregations, will lead the inquiry, with the power to discipline or remove Haggard or restore him to the pulpit, according to the church's statement.

Before word broke of "some admission of guilt," other prominent religious conservative leaders openly supported Haggard.

James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family -- which is also based in Colorado Springs -- called it "unconscionable that the legitimate news media would report a rumor like this based on nothing but one man's accusation." "Ted Haggard is a friend of mine, and it appears someone is trying to damage his reputation as a way of influencing the outcome of Tuesday's election," Dobson said in a written statement.

Richard Cizik, vice president for governmental affairs for the National Association of Evangelicals, told CNN that "the accusations do not comport with the person that I know."

"Since 1942, the NAE has never had a moral, ethical or financial scandal of any sort. Thus, this is very painful," Cizik said. "I believe that our record of speaking and acting in conformity with biblical values will be upheld."


I call BS, first he denies he ever did drugs or had sex with a male prostitute. Then all of a sudden he admits to calling the guy to buy him drugs and to recieve a massage but there was no sex involved. *BS meter explodes* This guy is one of the most influencial bible thumpers around and now it is outed that he might of had a sexual relationship with a male hooker for three years. Of course he denies it and his friends play it off as people trying to get a bill to ban gay marriage defeted. You know what I see, I see a self hating gay man who lies to others in the guise of a man of the cloth. Personally I don't care that he is gay, but to lie to his people about such things....wait isn't that a sin in his religion? Guess it is ok since he is a Reverand, those rules don't apply to him.

[Tollwutig]

I just find this nearly infinitely amusing.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/03/haggard.allegations/index.html



I call BS, first he denies he ever did drugs or had sex with a male prostitute. Then all of a sudden he admits to calling the guy to buy him drugs and to recieve a massage but there was no sex involved. *BS meter explodes*

Happy ending????

[Demontestament]

Happy ending????

Lol I was asking myself the very same question.

[bayushisan]

I had hoped that no one would bring this up. I'd heard about it and felt the opposite of Demontestament. I'd call BS on the other person. Whenever the issue of homosexuality comes up people are far too quick to resort to character assassination. Admittedly its easier than actually discussing the issue rationally, but its hardly the ethical thing to do.

The Rev. admitted to buying drugs, until any other actual evidence arises the rest is just one person's claims against another. You know that whole innocent until PROVEN guilty thing that's in the constitution. Its just way too convienent that this comes out now, right before an important election. If any of you honestly believe that this would have happened in a non-election year I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Besides if any of the rest of it is true, that's between the Rev. and God. Its not really any of mine, or anyone else's business. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If its true, the Rev will likely go to counseling and if its false I hope that Jones gets prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law will allow.

[Demontestament]

I had hoped that no one would bring this up. I'd heard about it and felt the opposite of Demontestament. I'd call BS on the other person. Whenever the issue of homosexuality comes up people are far too quick to resort to character assassination. Admittedly its easier than actually discussing the issue rationally, but its hardly the ethical thing to do.

The Rev. admitted to buying drugs, until any other actual evidence arises the rest is just one person's claims against another. You know that whole innocent until PROVEN guilty thing that's in the constitution. Its just way too convienent that this comes out now, right before an important election. If any of you honestly believe that this would have happened in a non-election year I've got some beachfront property in Arizona to sell you.

Besides if any of the rest of it is true, that's between the Rev. and God. Its not really any of mine, or anyone else's business. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. If its true, the Rev will likely go to counseling and if its false I hope that Jones gets prosecuted to the fullest extent that the law will allow.

The man has lied about buying drugs how do we know he is not lieing about everything else. And I am sorry if you are so against Gay people like this guy is you don't call one to buy you drugs and then give you a massage. And seriously it is lame to throw this aside as "Character Assassination" that is just a cheap way out since it is a election year. Only reason it is in the news is because it is an election year yes. Any other time the news wouldn't really care about this unless it was a slow news day. What do you mean Innocent til proven Guilty? Last time I checked he wasn't being arrested for anything.

How can you discuss an issue like this with a moron like that. All it would turn into is him screaming that they are living in sin, and we need to protect family values and the american way followed by a couple of randomly spouted bible verses.

I have always believed that anyone who speaks out this much on Anti-Gay marriage/rights was secretly gay themsleves and hated themselves for it. And why not make others suffer if you yourself have to "suffer" with knowing you are gay. Honestly I don't know what the big deal is if you are gay or not. Just because a book says it is bad, last time I checked gay people were not trying to convert people to the "sinful" lifestyle at all, only just trying to live their lives just like everyone else. Only people like this moron come along and cause hell for them. Trust me there are alot easier ways to get a anti-whatever bill defeated rather than try and prove someone is gay.

[bayushisan]

I'm not about to apologize for not jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the Rev Haggard. I point out the possibility of it being character assassination because that IS a possibility. Whether or not you agree with me is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

Its also a gross mischaracterization to say that Evangelicals hate gay people. Those of us in the faith merely believe that such actions are a sin. You don't hate the sinner, in fact we're told in Bible to love one another; but you don't have to support whatever a person does. Hence why people within the Christian community speak out about things like this.

You don't know what happened any more than I do. All you can do is make assumptions.

[Thefremen]

Why the hell is an Evangelical Rev. on conference calls with white house aides anyways? Even without being on Meth I don't think it's a good idea.

Bayu: wanna make a friendly wager on that more info will come out and he'll have some lame excuses in the vein of Foley?

[Demontestament]

Its also a gross mischaracterization to say that Evangelicals hate gay people. Those of us in the faith merely believe that such actions are a sin. You don't hate the sinner, in fact we're told in Bible to love one another; but you don't have to support whatever a person does. Hence why people within the Christian community speak out about things like this.

That is the biggest load of crap ever, if this were true there would be no Anti-Gay rallies, or this whole fiasco about banning gay marriage. If this were true and people were supposed to love one another, none of this crap would be going on right now. People wouldn't have to wonder when it was going to be ok to be married and reconized as a married. When I look at people speaking out against gay marriage and anything of the sort who claim to be christiain I see some of the most hate filled eyes of the speakers. If you think that these people don't hate gays and other not like them, you are blind. If you ever want to look at corruption and hypocrisy there are two places you can find it the most. In the government and in the church.

[KN]

I'm not about to apologize for not jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the Rev Haggard. I point out the possibility of it being character assassination because that IS a possibility. Whether or not you agree with me is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

Its also a gross mischaracterization to say that Evangelicals hate gay people. Those of us in the faith merely believe that such actions are a sin. You don't hate the sinner, in fact we're told in Bible to love one another; but you don't have to support whatever a person does. Hence why people within the Christian community speak out about things like this.

You don't know what happened any more than I do. All you can do is make assumptions.

Question for you:

If it's "hate the sin, not the sinner", why do you freak out so much when we say we hate the evangelical movement? After all, we're hating the idiocy, not the idiots.

EDIT: And what Demontestament said ;)

[Garbage Pail Kid]

He added, "I have never done drugs, ever -- not even in high school."

This where he really loses me. I mean, calling a male prostitute for the sole purpose of getting drugs and a massage is fishy enough, but claiming you've never used drugs when you admit to buying two hundred dollars worth of crystal meth is just ridiculous. Meth is one of the hardest of the hard drugs. People usually progress to it from other drugs. Even if you were just trying it for the first time, why buy two hundred dollars worth? That's an awfully expensive sampling. What straight edge, fifty year-old man just wakes up in the morning and goes, "I feel like some meth today."

[Demontestament]

This where he really loses me. I mean, calling a male prostitute for the sole purpose of getting drugs and a massage is fishy enough, but claiming you've never used drugs when you admit to buying two hundred dollars worth of crystal meth is just ridiculous. Meth is one of the hardest of the hard drugs. People usually progress to it from other drugs. Even if you were just trying it for the first time, why buy two hundred dollars worth. That's an awfully expensive sampling. What straight edge, fifty year-old man just wakes up in the morning and goes, "I feel like some meth today."

Well the original story was posted when he was still denying that he did drugs. And yeah 200 buck worth of meth is a ****load to buy for someone who has "never" done it before. His whole story reeks of BS.

[KN]

I am annoyed by the fact that this man covers up the male escort with some fairy tale about drugs. This implies that he, and the people who care about what the **** he does with his life, would find it worse that he ****ed a guy than that he did about 200 tons of coke.

[John]

That is the biggest load of crap ever, if this were true there would be no Anti-Gay rallies, or this whole fiasco about banning gay marriage. If this were true and people were supposed to love one another, none of this crap would be going on right now. People wouldn't have to wonder when it was going to be ok to be married and reconized as a married. When I look at people speaking out against gay marriage and anything of the sort who claim to be christiain I see some of the most hate filled eyes of the speakers. If you think that these people don't hate gays and other not like them, you are blind. If you ever want to look at corruption and hypocrisy there are two places you can find it the most. In the government and in the church.

I second this. And I profess my love to you.

I'll third it also.

...

And fourth it as well.

Its also a gross mischaracterization to say that Evangelicals hate gay people. Those of us in the faith merely believe that such actions are a sin. You don't hate the sinner, in fact we're told in Bible to love one another; but you don't have to support whatever a person does. Hence why people within the Christian community speak out about things like this.

The Bible also says gay people should be killed. Along with adulterers. And bunnies. So which one is it?

Anyway, I don't believe a word of that. Or at least I never see it happening. Especially with all the anti-gay organizations, churches, and that one supposed political party out there.

If this is what 'loving the sinner' is, then, frankly, I'd prefer if you just didn't give a **** about me and what I and others like me do in the privacy in my own home, in mycomfort of my own bed, with another consenting adult.

Seriously...

[Demontestament]

I second this. And I profess my love to you.

I'll third it also.

...

And fourth it as well.



The Bible also says gay people should be killed. Along with adulterers. And bunnies. So which one is it?

Anyway, I don't believe a word of that. Or at least I never see it happening. Especially with all the anti-gay organizations, churches, and that one supposed political party out there.

If this is what 'loving the sinner' is, then, frankly, I'd prefer if you just didn't give a **** about me and what I and others like me do in the privacy in my own home, in mycomfort of my own bed, with another consenting adult.

Seriously...


I still wonder why it says bunnies need to die. Anyway I agree, who the hell cares what or who another person does behind closed doors in their own home. If it is consetual who cares who is bumping uglies with eachother, nobody is forcing you to watch it. And if you are watching it, there are laws against peeping people.

[KN]

I'd like to point Bayu to my post on the last page. He probably missed it, and it contains a question I'd like him to answer.

[Silver_Derstin]

If you think that these people don't hate gays and other not like them, you are blind. If you ever want to look at corruption and hypocrisy there are two places you can find it the most. In the government and in the church.

But those people, according to Bayushisan, are not in fact "true Christians". Please remember that.

No, that's not a true scotsman fallacy AT ALL.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

But those people, according to Bayushisan, are not in fact "true Christians". Please remember that.

No, that's not a true scotsman fallacy AT ALL.

Um, I don't recall Bayushisan ever saying anything like, although since Jesus did say the second most important commandment is, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself," he could easily make that argument.

[Jabrwock]

I still wonder why it says bunnies need to die.Not that they need to die, just that to eat them is against God's will. As a public sanitation edict, what better animals to target to try to control disease than the ones that eat their own poop such as rabbits and pigs?

If you think of the historical context, most of it makes sense.

Here's a good site that talks about the Levictus decrees.
http://www.whosoever.org/bible/lev18.html

Here's a site that lists even more stuff. (apparently it's sinful for a woman to pray without a hat!)
http://www.irregulartimes.com/illiteracy.html

[Hank the Tank]

>_<

Dammit bayu, I'd like you more if you didn't seem to feel duty-bound to defend those in religious positions.

Some people are just scumbags, there is usually a couple in every organization known to man.

[bayushisan]

I realize that there are bad people in the world. I've met quite a few of them in my life and some of them were even professing Christians. I've made more than my own fair share of mistakes as well. All I was trying to do here was point out that there are a number of possibilities in the way this information came out.

Yes its mighty suspicious that he only stepped down when he got caught. Yes I think it makes the situation look far worse beacuse he tried to cover it up and it frustrates me to no end that there's always going to be that doubt in the back of my mind.

However I can also forgive and move on. Its not an easy thing to do, especially not for me having the temper that I do. As a Christian, however, God expects me to forgive others, and so I do. I can't stay angry at things like this, it jsut takes too much engery and it hurts too much to do so. I remain content with the Evengelical leaders I do respect and stick with the men and women of integrity that honor God. That's all I can really do, and all that anyone can honestly ask of me.

[KN]

So you respect people that honour god even if they have despicable and indefensable opinions?

[Garrett]

Demontestament, I shortened your title, hope you don't mind. Looks weird on some browser viewer settings. This would of course be the fault of the user settings, not you or the GP forum.

[pixelante_ninja]

Y'know, if more people were sane, he would deny he drugs and admit to the sex...
Because I personally believe doing $200 worth of meth is worse then sleeping with a man.
Just saying.

[kurisu7885]

Y'know, if more people were sane, he would deny he drugs and admit to the sex...
Because I personally believe doing $200 worth of meth is worse then sleeping with a man.
Just saying.

Nah, you keep forgetting, sex, especially with another male is punishible by eternal damnation, drugs aren't nearly as bad.

[ZippyDSMlee]

bayushisan

...uummm...no........since...if you are going to preach hellfire and brim stone then be ready to receive it when you "fall from grace"....alltho they are quite forgivieng if you can become a drone of the many....but anyway he has lied so much this is just one more thing that has a high change to be true and don't say that being gay is between him and god with HE and HIS force the issue in public and treat gays as 2nd class citezins!

side note:cant for a min believe hes in the closet?
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I'm not about to apologize for not jumping on the bandwagon of bashing the Rev Haggard. I point out the possibility of it being character assassination because that IS a possibility. Whether or not you agree with me is a non-issue as far as I'm concerned.

Its also a gross mischaracterization to say that Evangelicals hate gay people. Those of us in the faith merely believe that such actions are a sin. You don't hate the sinner, in fact we're told in Bible to love one another; but you don't have to support whatever a person does. Hence why people within the Christian community speak out about things like this.

You don't know what happened any more than I do. All you can do is make assumptions.
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then why oh why is hate, dislike and vile used before love and caring??...
at least try and see that some of the faith walk in shadows with hollow word and deed.....at least try and see it.....and then if you do truly see it do soemthign about it...don't just ignore it like its soemthign normal....that is what gets me so annoyed at "normal" christens they are so easy to overlook thier more radical brethren...Islam is not the only one with blind eyes....
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Um, I don't recall Bayushisan ever saying anything like, although since Jesus did say the second most important commandment is, "Love your neighbor as you love yourself," he could easily make that argument.

well said but its kinda rare for them to go busting up(voting disprovable) corrupt church rings and saying its not our place to judge let them see our deeds and come to us...I mean god forbid church streamline and pool there money to bring up thos around them befor running off to some 3rd world nation...you'd think it would have never crossed thier mind that they could effect things on a larger scale if they raised up the poor of the nation,the poor would help and support them back thus raseing the balance higher....god and I so want to raze these Millionaire's chruchs (crutch-church) that has CEO type personal jets....so owning and operating a personal jet is ok but you cant afford the cargo plane thats just a bit more...I mean really....u'd kill 2 or 3 birds with one stone right there....
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ok ok ok...so I have alot of issues with over sized corrupted church's that tend to over step the local needy so they can advertise better...

[ZippyDSMlee]

I realize that there are bad people in the world. I've met quite a few of them in my life and some of them were even professing Christians. I've made more than my own fair share of mistakes as well. All I was trying to do here was point out that there are a number of possibilities in the way this information came out.

Yes its mighty suspicious that he only stepped down when he got caught. Yes I think it makes the situation look far worse beacuse he tried to cover it up and it frustrates me to no end that there's always going to be that doubt in the back of my mind.

However I can also forgive and move on. Its not an easy thing to do, especially not for me having the temper that I do. As a Christian, however, God expects me to forgive others, and so I do. I can't stay angry at things like this, it jsut takes too much engery and it hurts too much to do so. I remain content with the Evengelical leaders I do respect and stick with the men and women of integrity that honor God. That's all I can really do, and all that anyone can honestly ask of me.

I guess you are lucky not to be such a skeptic turning the other cheek is all well and good...but to ignore the rampant corruption thats around is not so good it just leads to more of it...turning the other cheek can also mean being subtle and righteous in your actions,in the end walk the path as you see fit ,sorry for the rant 0-o

[KN]

Zippy is on the offensive. Beware.

[John]

Zippy is on the offensive. Beware.

His words! They make my eyes bleed!

[John]

Double post.

It's weird, you know. With Mark Foley, it wasn't a big deal at all. The guy wasn't important, influential, or anything remotely useful.

With Ted here...It feels gigantic. Along like a Colossi was just defeated.

Anyway, so much for his fanbase.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061105/D8L6JA288.html

He just got fired from the church he founded.

Jesus must be happy.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Double post.

It's weird, you know. With Mark Foley, it wasn't a big deal at all. The guy wasn't important, influential, or anything remotely useful.

With Ted here...It feels gigantic. Along like a Colossi was just defeated.

Anyway, so much for his fanbase.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20061105/D8L6JA288.html

He just got fired from the church he founded.

Jesus must be happy.

thats because members of "the Khurch" are above being corrupted >>



I dunno why but I been thinking....preventing adult from choosing how to handle their reproduction is bad not doing a damn thing to take care of the kids in the system....take care of thos suffering before you before taking care of thos that are yet to be here.. another thing why isn't Family court brought into all adolescent pregnancies? between streamlining stuff to get health ready and adoption if needed I mean thats one way to make sure thigns are taken care if if the family is out of whack one way or another.

please stop me if I am not making any sense...I normal dont make sense *L*

[John]

You know...maybe I don't give this 'God' thing enough credit.

I always considered myself a soft atheist/agonist.

But this (http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/haggards_sermon.html) really tests one's faith.

"Heavenly Father give us grace and mercy, help us this next week and a half as we go into national elections and Lord we pray for our country. Father we pray lies would be exposed and deception exposed. Father we pray that wisdom would come upon our electorate ..."

[ZippyDSMlee]

You know...maybe I don't give this 'God' thing enough credit.

I always considered myself a soft atheist/agonist.

But this (http://time.blogs.com/daily_dish/2006/11/haggards_sermon.html) really tests one's faith.

if more truth starts crawling fro the wood work then they should be careful what they ask for...

[Demontestament]

Demontestament, I shortened your title, hope you don't mind. Looks weird on some browser viewer settings. This would of course be the fault of the user settings, not you or the GP forum.

Naa don't mind at all. I was actually supprised to see that this thread was still alive when I can back today from the weekend. I haven't been home much recently....well ok I have but I was locking in my room all weekend playing .dot hack// G.U. and FFXII so I haven't seen the news. Has anything new come out of this?

EDIT* http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/11/05/haggard.allegations/index.html

Nevermind ^^, check CNN and what do I find? He admitted it now lol, so much for "I didn't have buttsex with a man! I only did drugs and let him massage me!" And once again a hypocrit is revealed. He hated gays because he hates himself, but then again that is the case with most homophobes.

[Tollwutig]

Yeah I'd heard this morning that he'd finally confessed. And todays lesson is folks:

Be careful of who you choose to follow, leaders rarely measure up to the standard by which they set for themselves, and often have something in the closet.

[KN]

Yeah I'd heard this morning that he'd finally confessed. And todays lesson is folks:

Be careful of who you choose to follow, leaders rarely measure up to the standard by which they set for themselves, and often have something in the closet.

*****s, often.

[Jabrwock]

I'm amazed we haven't seen the repeat of the Foley scandal, where people tried to imply he was a closet Democrat trying to "infiltrate and corrupt" the Republican cause...

[Demontestament]

I'm amazed we haven't seen the repeat of the Foley scandal, where people tried to imply he was a closet Democrat trying to "infiltrate and corrupt" the Republican cause...

I don't think they will be able to play that card this time. This guy is a big time bible thumper who has gone and done so much that shows he is Republican. But for some reason all I hear right now is the song from last nights American Dad "We're red and we're gay"

[John]

I'm amazed we haven't seen the repeat of the Foley scandal, where people tried to imply he was a closet Democrat trying to "infiltrate and corrupt" the Republican cause...

They probably can't make him out to be a Democrat, cause he isn't a politician.

Though, Fox News might label him a Episcopalian or Quaker or Unitarian, you know, one of those left-leaning Christian sects.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I find this very ironic and predictable for reasons I cannot remember.

[Demontestament]

I find this very ironic and predictable for reasons I cannot remember.

Jesus Christ man....did you just Necro a thread?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Jesus Christ man....did you just Necro a thread?

Yesh. Yesh I did.

[ConstantNeophyte]

Have you run out of other threads to derail? This is a bit low don't you think?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Have you run out of other threads to derail? This is a bit low don't you think?

I don't have standards. Not on these forums anyway.

[Tollwutig]

*pulls out the Scythe of Thread Closing*

We don't need any thread zombies this old!