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Demontestament
05-03-2008, 09:11 PM
I noticed that ever since the most recent Windows Defender update launched, the ****ing thing has stopped working. In the middle of scanning an error message pops up and the ****ing thing stops working. Has anyone else experience this?

The error reads:
Windows Defender encountered an error: 0x800703eb. Cannot complete this function

nightwng2000
05-03-2008, 09:55 PM
I noticed that ever since the most recent Windows Defender update launched, the ****ing thing has stopped working. In the middle of scanning an error message pops up and the ****ing thing stops working. Has anyone else experience this?

The error reads:

Did a google search for part of the error message and came up with these potentials.

http://support.microsoft.com/search/default.aspx?mode=r&query=windows+defender+error+message&catalog=LCID%3D1033&1033comm=1&spid=global

KN
05-03-2008, 10:58 PM
Remove, reinstall

steelcobra
05-03-2008, 11:42 PM
Why are you using Windows Defender instead of real security software?

Theory?
05-04-2008, 01:42 AM
Why are you using Windows?

He said it, not me.

steelcobra
05-04-2008, 02:02 AM
He said it, not me.

I don't have a problem with Windows (XP). Linux has too much of a hippy smell for me, and Mac OS is only bundled with the overpriced POS machines they're peddling as computers, so it strikes a decent happy medium for me.

mopman411
05-04-2008, 10:31 PM
I don't have a problem with Windows (XP). Linux has too much of a hippy smell for me, and Mac OS is only bundled with the overpriced POS machines they're peddling as computers, so it strikes a decent happy medium for me.

Yeah, it rubs my middle ground as well. I threw XP onto a Virtual Machine on my server, just for giggles. XP is by far the best OS that microsoft has proeduced.

Oh your MAC, you are so right about that. The new Quad core MAC servers they sell for 4K. An HP quad server can be bought for a much lower price. MAC is for the enviromental tree hugger do gooders. They view Steve Jobs as a god and take his word to heart. They a sad little cult.

On other news, XP on VM is the only XP I run now, my machines run Ubuntu, Suse and Vista. -does happy lick dance-

KN
05-04-2008, 10:34 PM
Unix is nice but I hate the fact that their PHILOSOPHY gets in the way of designing a good operating system. Someone must arise in that community who says "OK EVERYONE STOP MAKING DISTROS YOURSELF WE ARE MAKONE THE ONE TRUE DISTRO". Redhat is pretty much a good candidate for that as far as I'm concerned.

They need to get over that FREEEEEEDOOOOOM thing. If something is free and can be downloaded by the user just like that, you might as well put it in. You don't make the user download it because ZOOMJ THE LICENSE IS NOT FREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.


Also, rms is ****ing crazy.



And everything Apple makes is a blight upon this world.

mopman411
05-04-2008, 10:44 PM
I have an enterprise edition of red hat, I used to have ti loaded. though i haven't played with it in some time, your right, it is a great os, the only issue with it is that your not paying for os, your paying for support. if you want online support with it, you must pay. red hat is pay pay pay. otyher then that it like sugar on a candy, oh so sweeeet. its such a light weight os, runs on any machine, almost all the packets are in the 5cd box.

me likes many palvors of linux, thought in the end, they all be an freebsd software.

steelcobra
05-04-2008, 11:40 PM
My opinion is this: If I can install everything, and have it running a game in 2-4 hours, it's acceptable. Especially if I don't have to go into command line and configure little ****, or install a special emulator and still hope that the game works with that config.

mopman411
05-04-2008, 11:51 PM
My opinion is this: If I can install everything, and have it running a game in 2-4 hours, it's acceptable. Especially if I don't have to go into command line and configure little ****, or install a special emulator and still hope that the game works with that config.

Yeah, we build our computer systems around what we want them to do and install our software accordingly. We all choose whats best for what we want to do. Some of use are so driven on a system and os that we tweak the little bits about it jsut to get things to run smooth. we all do that, XP is no exception to this rule. it just comes down to your choice in flavor and what your want.

steelcobra
05-04-2008, 11:59 PM
Yeah, we build our computer systems around what we want them to do and install our software accordingly. We all choose whats best for what we want to do. Some of use are so driven on a system and os that we tweak the little bits about it jsut to get things to run smooth. we all do that, XP is no exception to this rule. it just comes down to your choice in flavor and what your want.

I do tweak XP, but I want to game with it, and Linux and MAC OS just don't compare on that front.

mopman411
05-05-2008, 12:05 AM
I do tweak XP, but I want to game with it, and Linux and MAC OS just don't compare on that front.

Thats true but for gaming the same could be said comparing XP to Vista. Vista far outperforms XP with the correct hardware.

MAC is linux, most people don't know but the MAC OS is bulit on the same core software as linux, freebsd.

Don't say a Linux rig won't game, cause they will, and they do it very well.

steelcobra
05-05-2008, 12:33 AM
Thats true but for gaming the same could be said comparing XP to Vista. Vista far outperforms XP with the correct hardware.


Did you seriously just say that? Vista has a 10% performance deficit on the same hardware, and with the right crack you can run DX10 on XP, and it will both look as good and run faster.

KN
05-05-2008, 12:40 AM
Windows 7. It will own your faces.

mopman411
05-05-2008, 12:43 AM
Did you seriously just say that? Vista has a 10% performance deficit on the same hardware, and with the right crack you can run DX10 on XP, and it will both look as good and run faster.

this time im gonna defend my vista, XP aint got anything on it, hands down. XP won't read over 3.5G of memory and teh 64bit is buggy itself. Vista can be tweaked to no end, I still find new ways to tweak mine and it pushes it that much faster. its the same thing that happens when you get a new XP, you tweak to increase performance. Vista is a memory hog but that can be turned off easily. Vista 64 will out do my XP64 anyday. and I will not do a simple eidt on code and call it DX10. how dare you. headdesk yourself for even saying "you can run DX10 on XP." YOU CAN'T!!!!! Hands down, never.

I'd pick my vista rig over the same rig wtih xp anyday.

steelcobra
05-05-2008, 12:53 AM
Windows 7. It will own your faces.
We all hope.
this time im gonna defend my vista, XP aint got anything on it, hands down. XP won't read over 3.5G of memory and teh 64bit is buggy itself. Vista can be tweaked to no end, I still find new ways to tweak mine and it pushes it that much faster. its the same thing that happens when you get a new XP, you tweak to increase performance. Vista is a memory hog but that can be turned off easily. Vista 64 will out do my XP64 anyday. and I will not do a simple eidt on code and call it DX10. how dare you. headdesk yourself for even saying "you can run DX10 on XP." YOU CAN'T!!!!! Hands down, never.

I'd pick my vista rig over the same rig wtih xp anyday.

XP doesn't need more than 2GB unless you're doing seriously heavy 3D rendering. As in, actually creating 3D objects/animation, not just games. On neither of my boxes (including the power-supply-killed desktop) have I ever run out of memory with 2GB in XP.

http://www.technospot.net/blogs/download-directx-10-for-windows-xp-from-alky-project/
What's that about "can't use DX10 on XP?"

mopman411
05-05-2008, 12:58 AM
won't work, thats a hack to allow DX10 drivers to work in XP but the coding is different. You can't change the OS code. Plain and simple. XP will not run DX10.

I have run out of memory with my XP rigs, even with Vista and my Linux box. I use VM alot and I do alot of code cracking. as well as playing with encryption

Theory?
05-05-2008, 11:28 AM
I work for Apple, but I'm not a Mac cultist. I simply like it when my computer works. XP was a good Windows, but that's not saying a whole lot since it still takes 20 extra steps for me to get anything done on my Windows system. Mac's just work better, that's why I like them.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2177/2439080330_c5e0e339bb.jpg

I need not say more.

mopman411
05-05-2008, 02:15 PM
I work for Apple, but I'm not a Mac cultist. I simply like it when my computer works. XP was a good Windows, but that's not saying a whole lot since it still takes 20 extra steps for me to get anything done on my Windows system. Mac's just work better, that's why I like them.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2177/2439080330_c5e0e339bb.jpg

I need not say more.

MAC needs to go back to being open source. And their prices need to come down. I don't see any reason to pay 3X as much for a proprietary machine with over priced software. though, I am going to buy one, just to have it and play with it.

Mr Apple worker, can you please tell me why the MAC forums get locked down when flaws in OS or hardware are much talked about? what they be hiding from the public?

Theory?
05-06-2008, 11:48 PM
MAC needs to go back to being open source. And their prices need to come down. I don't see any reason to pay 3X as much for a proprietary machine with over priced software. though, I am going to buy one, just to have it and play with it.

Mr Apple worker, can you please tell me why the MAC forums get locked down when flaws in OS or hardware are much talked about? what they be hiding from the public?

MAC is a makeup company. I don't work for a makeup company. Let's try taking our fingers off the shift key for two characters and then we can talk.

You pay the price for a machine that works. You seem to hung up on the idea of tweaking your system, how about just using a car that works, no questions asked? That's what I see in Macs, I don't need to know or care what makes it go, it just does, and then I can move on with what I was doing in the first place, that being my work.

I meet so many people on a daily basis who are so afraid of attempting to do anything outside of the simplest tasks on computers and it's not because Windows can't do these things, it's that Windows doesn't make it easy to accomplish these tasks. I know your response may be, "Well that's not true, it's easy for me." Of course it's easy for you, you have the technical expertise to seek out, implement, and afford the resources needed to carry out any given task.

However, you can't base the machine on the technical world, our jobs, our positions socially, come from that single premise. Do not, repeat, DO NOT forget that.

MAC is linux, most people don't know but the MAC OS is bulit on the same core software as linux, freebsd.

FreeBSD is Unix technically, the core of Linux was Minix, minor technicalities, but that's ok.

Lot's of people, a surprisingly greater number than you would expect know damn well that Mac OS X is based on *nix. It's based, specifically, on Darwin, which was developed by NEXT as a base for NEXTSTEP which no one uses.

I promise you that Darwin is NOT hard to pull apart. Leopard is 100% POSIX certified, it's ****in' Unix baby, and you can tear up Unix any way you want...if you find you really need to.

The one thing I always say about Linux and it's users is that the ONLY thing there is to do in Linux is fix it. Every Linux nut I've met in my life sets daily goals to optimize this useless system in order to accomplish some unnamed task in the future. As if to say, "I expect I'll need this machine to assist me in some profitless way down the line so I should always seek to better it and have it running properly." To me, that's fun and a good learning experience, but I use computers for other things.

I need a system that will not crash in the middle of a crucial recording session. I need the system that doesn't make me do any extra work to organize my photos. I need the system that doesn't take six years to update only to be told the latest version is, "A work in progress". Get where I'm going with this? I have to explain this to customers every day, I tell them, "It's about your computer working the way you think it should."

/rant

Demontestament
05-07-2008, 01:48 AM
Got it fixed, it was something wrong with the last update. A new one came out today to remedy the error.

ZippyDSMlee
05-07-2008, 02:33 AM
I noticed that ever since the most recent Windows Defender update launched, the ****ing thing has stopped working. In the middle of scanning an error message pops up and the ****ing thing stops working. Has anyone else experience this?

The error reads:

the shotgun USE IT NOW FOR CHRIST SAKE!
:P

mopman411
05-07-2008, 09:44 AM
@Theory? Thank you for that post, I enjoyed the read. Soon I shall deplete chur brain of all that you know.

I will say, the Windows enviroment is built around the idiot using it and preventing them from messing things up. Your correct in that I like to get technical with all of it, years of time wasted learning craps. Soon I shall learned the MAC.

Thanks in order for much post

Theory?
05-07-2008, 10:59 AM
@Theory? Thank you for that post, I enjoyed the read. Soon I shall deplete chur brain of all that you know.

I will say, the Windows enviroment is built around the idiot using it and preventing them from messing things up. Your correct in that I like to get technical with all of it, years of time wasted learning craps. Soon I shall learned the MAC.

Thanks in order for much post

I think these forums have some sort of attraction to the verbally challenged.

steelcobra
05-07-2008, 12:14 PM
@Theory? Thank you for that post, I enjoyed the read. Soon I shall deplete chur brain of all that you know.

I will say, the Windows enviroment is built around the idiot using it and preventing them from messing things up. Your correct in that I like to get technical with all of it, years of time wasted learning craps. Soon I shall learned the MAC.

Thanks in order for much post

I grew up using Mac. Then I became an adult and started using Windows.

mopman411
05-07-2008, 02:20 PM
my herizons need much expanding, so i play with OS

ZippyDSMlee
05-07-2008, 02:30 PM
I think these forums have some sort of attraction to the verbally challenged.

Come now grammar sama, theres a diffrance in dim speak (bad grammar and what not)

And net/leet speak :P

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MACs is like that lil foreign car real people can not fit into...windose is like a SUV complete with tipping and gas guzzling.

Theory?
05-08-2008, 10:27 AM
I grew up using Mac. Then I became an adult and started using Windows.

Please explain what the hell that means. As you get older you grow weary of your computer doing what it's supposed to do?

steelcobra
05-08-2008, 10:56 AM
Please explain what the hell that means. As you get older you grow weary of your computer doing what it's supposed to do?

I got tired of dealing with the Apple way of doing things. Handholding, annoying system errors with no explanation, etc. My PC's do exactly what I want them to, thank you very much, and I don't pay retarded amounts extra for hardware equivalent to much cheaper PCs, nor do I have to pay 50 dollars for a game released 5 years ago that happened to be one of the few ported over.

Theory?
05-08-2008, 12:50 PM
I got tired of dealing with the Apple way of doing things. Handholding, annoying system errors with no explanation, etc. My PC's do exactly what I want them to, thank you very much, and I don't pay retarded amounts extra for hardware equivalent to much cheaper PCs, nor do I have to pay 50 dollars for a game released 5 years ago that happened to be one of the few ported over.

How does that make you a grown up?

ZippyDSMlee
05-08-2008, 12:59 PM
How does that make you a grown up?

there is a certain amount of penis envy in using a mac, its like thos lil fact euro cars ,its costly and pointless for anything but speed and showing off, a mac is the same only replace speed with stability and showing of, a PC is just as good as a mac when used specifically for a purpose if you start doing things outside that purpose it falls apart, the mac can only be used for a few purposes.

Theory?
05-08-2008, 02:21 PM
there is a certain amount of penis envy in using a mac, its like thos lil fact euro cars ,its costly and pointless for anything but speed and showing off, a mac is the same only replace speed with stability and showing of, a PC is just as good as a mac when used specifically for a purpose if you start doing things outside that purpose it falls apart, the mac can only be used for a few purposes.

I agree that each machine has it's place and I'm not going to make the joke and say that a PC's place is in the trash, but Mac's are just as versatile as PC's and much more capable in creative fields like audio and photography, both of which I'm very adamant about and pursue professionally. I've run numerous configurations of Windows to try and create an optimized audio machine and nothing to date has worked as well as a Mac and with my Mac I don't need to do ****. I just turn on the computer, install my DAW, and I'm all set. That simple.

For photographs, I use Aperture which leverages the native RAW support in Leopard. Windows has no such native support.

There are things about each system that make them great for a given purpose. Attempting to run an enterprise level Windows-client based office using a Mac is obviously retarded. Attempting to run a world class recording studio using Windows, as I just mentioned, is just as retarded.

Gaming is a no brainer, I don't ever attempt to defend Macs in that field. Though I do enjoy playing Mission Thunderbolt on my friend's IIsi. I suppose a forum full of gamers are hard to appease in this argument for this very reason, but I still defend the system not because I'm a cultist or an elitist or even an employee, but because I legitimately like using the computers. I don't agree with a lot of Apple's tactics, but Microsoft doesn't exactly have the cleanest track record in history either. Something about taking six years to make a new OS with 3 brand-spanking-new-but-still-not-functional features and then coming back and saying its still a, "work in progress."

ZippyDSMlee
05-08-2008, 02:30 PM
I agree that each machine has it's place and I'm not going to make the joke and say that a PC's place is in the trash, but Mac's are just as versatile as PC's and much more capable in creative fields like audio and photography, both of which I'm very adamant about and pursue professionally. I've run numerous configurations of Windows to try and create an optimized audio machine and nothing to date has worked as well as a Mac and with my Mac I don't need to do ****. I just turn on the computer, install my DAW, and I'm all set. That simple.

For photographs, I use Aperture which leverages the native RAW support in Leopard. Windows has no such native support.

There are things about each system that make them great for a given purpose. Attempting to run an enterprise level Windows-client based office using a Mac is obviously retarded. Attempting to run a world class recording studio using Windows, as I just mentioned, is just as retarded.

Gaming is a no brainer, I don't ever attempt to defend Macs in that field. Though I do enjoy playing Mission Thunderbolt on my friend's IIsi. I suppose a forum full of gamers are hard to appease in this argument for this very reason, but I still defend the system not because I'm a cultist or an elitist or even an employee, but because I legitimately like using the computers. I don't agree with a lot of Apple's tactics, but Microsoft doesn't exactly have the cleanest track record in history either. Something about taking six years to make a new OS with 3 brand-spanking-new-but-still-not-functional features and then coming back and saying its still a, "work in progress."

Windose is a SUV you can do alot with it but it might tilt on the highway and it will cost you if not money time with crashes and oddity's.

steelcobra
05-08-2008, 03:21 PM
I agree that each machine has it's place and I'm not going to make the joke and say that a PC's place is in the trash, but Mac's are just as versatile as PC's and much more capable in creative fields like audio and photography, both of which I'm very adamant about and pursue professionally. I've run numerous configurations of Windows to try and create an optimized audio machine and nothing to date has worked as well as a Mac and with my Mac I don't need to do ****. I just turn on the computer, install my DAW, and I'm all set. That simple.

For photographs, I use Aperture which leverages the native RAW support in Leopard. Windows has no such native support.

There are things about each system that make them great for a given purpose. Attempting to run an enterprise level Windows-client based office using a Mac is obviously retarded. Attempting to run a world class recording studio using Windows, as I just mentioned, is just as retarded.

Gaming is a no brainer, I don't ever attempt to defend Macs in that field. Though I do enjoy playing Mission Thunderbolt on my friend's IIsi. I suppose a forum full of gamers are hard to appease in this argument for this very reason, but I still defend the system not because I'm a cultist or an elitist or even an employee, but because I legitimately like using the computers. I don't agree with a lot of Apple's tactics, but Microsoft doesn't exactly have the cleanest track record in history either. Something about taking six years to make a new OS with 3 brand-spanking-new-but-still-not-functional features and then coming back and saying its still a, "work in progress."

The thing is, a lot of artists are starting to go PC because that's where the software is. Even Photoshop doesn't run right on the new Intel macs yet.

And while both can run in an enterprise environment, PCs are still easier to manage and control, especially under Win 2k3.

Theory?
05-08-2008, 04:12 PM
The thing is, a lot of artists are starting to go PC because that's where the software is. Even Photoshop doesn't run right on the new Intel macs yet.

And while both can run in an enterprise environment, PCs are still easier to manage and control, especially under Win 2k3.

Doesn't run right on the Intel Macs yet? Sweetheart, Photoshop CS3 launches on my iMac in 2.85 seconds. I've owned many PC's that were the cream of the crop when I built them and none have ever taken less than 10 seconds to launch PS.

Audio has NO software for the PC. It has Cubase and Pro Tools which are both cross platform (and are both awful) and Sonar which unfortunately struggles very hard to remain relevant, those aren't my words, they're those of a Cakewalk (Sonar maek'r) employee.

Windows machines running better in an enterprise environment is a no duh. Windows does number stuff better. I will never deny Window's strengths, they do exist albeit few.

Want to talk about a piece of software that doesn't work on a Mac? Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac. It doesn't read documents saved on Office 2007 on Windows. Any sane business strategist would look at this strange occurrence and blame it on shoddy development and haphazard project management. Microsoft would attempt to find some way to make it seem like there was a deliberate purpose for not making their own software compatible with itself.

Windose is a SUV you can do alot with it but it might tilt on the highway and it will cost you if not money time with crashes and oddity's.

Zippy, don't let anyone tell you that you make a good defense case. Besides, SUV's are bad for the environment.

steelcobra
05-08-2008, 05:06 PM
Doesn't run right on the Intel Macs yet? Sweetheart, Photoshop CS3 launches on my iMac in 2.85 seconds. I've owned many PC's that were the cream of the crop when I built them and none have ever taken less than 10 seconds to launch PS.

Audio has NO software for the PC. It has Cubase and Pro Tools which are both cross platform (and are both awful) and Sonar which unfortunately struggles very hard to remain relevant, those aren't my words, they're those of a Cakewalk (Sonar maek'r) employee.

Windows machines running better in an enterprise environment is a no duh. Windows does number stuff better. I will never deny Window's strengths, they do exist albeit few.

Want to talk about a piece of software that doesn't work on a Mac? Microsoft Office 2008 for Mac. It doesn't read documents saved on Office 2007 on Windows. Any sane business strategist would look at this strange occurrence and blame it on shoddy development and haphazard project management. Microsoft would attempt to find some way to make it seem like there was a deliberate purpose for not making their own software compatible with itself.


To be honest, most users still use Office 2003 anyways.

KN
05-08-2008, 05:08 PM
Office XP dawg

PS: When I use Office. Mostly it's OpenOffice.

steelcobra
05-08-2008, 05:20 PM
Office XP dawg

PS: When I use Office. Mostly it's OpenOffice.

03 is the upgraded version of XP. No reason to use Office XP, really.

KN
05-08-2008, 05:21 PM
03 is the upgraded version of XP. No reason to use Office XP, really.

Yes, but if you already have Office XP there's no reason to upgrade.

steelcobra
05-09-2008, 02:13 AM
Heh:

#34038 +(335)- [X]

<evilbob> installing linux is like piercing your tongue. it'll impress your friends, but it's stupid and painful. and people without pierced tongues will laugh at you when you complain about it.

mopman411
05-09-2008, 09:46 AM
funny, i have my tongue pierced and ears gauged. I use both linux and windows. mac shall be new but i have it and will install this weekend.

Oh and my vista rig, Photoshop CS3 in less then 2 seconds. Premiere Pro CS3 opens in under 3 seconds. My XP rig takes longer for CS2 in every aspect.

KN
05-09-2008, 10:28 AM
funny, i have my tongue pierced and ears gauged. I use both linux and windows. mac shall be new but i have it and will install this weekend.

Oh and my vista rig, Photoshop CS3 in less then 2 seconds. Premiere Pro CS3 opens in under 3 seconds. My XP rig takes longer for CS2 in every aspect.

I'm pretty sure that's because CS3 works a bit better with 64-bit or something.

As well as Vista.