Looking for a funnier [NEWS] thread title, 28/Apr to 4/May

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7370544.stm

At UN headquarters there is both irritation and unease over the BBC story.

Irritation because officials regard the allegations of gold smuggling in the Congo by Pakistani peacekeepers as rehashed.

Unease because, as the head of UN peacekeeping, Jean-Marie Guehenno, put it in a letter to the BBC: "Every incident of misconduct by the Blue Helmets diminishes public confidence in our work and weakens the institution of peacekeeping."

[KN]

"Gais don't report it when we do something wrong it hurts us :("


Clearly this is completely rational

[Mark of Cain]

AMSTETTEN, Austria (CNN) -- A 73-year-old man has confessed to holding his daughter captive in his home cellar for nearly 24 years and fathering seven children by her, Austrian police say.
Mr. F. has confessed to imprisoning his daughter for 24 years and having seven children with her.
1 of 3 Austrian police spokesman Franz Polzer told CNN, the man, known as Mr. F., admitted holding his daughter hostage in a windowless cell in the basement of his home for more than two decades.
Mr. F. told police that one of the children he fathered with his daughter Elisabeth F. was a twin who died.
Mr. F. also admitted he burned the body of the dead child in an oven inside the house, according to Polzer.
Further DNA tests will now be carried out to confirm fatherhood, Polzer said.
Elisabeth F., 42, is described as "very disturbed" and having trouble talking to police about her ordeal, reports CNN correspondent Fred Pleitgen.
She went missing in 1984, when she was 18 years old, police said at a news conference Sunday.
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/index.html

[Demontestament]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/index.html

Can we just burn this guy alive? Oh and his pic ****ing creeps me out.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/04/28/austria.cellar/index.html


She told police that only her father supplied her and her children with food and clothing, and that she did not think his wife knew anything about their situation

Mr. F. lived upstairs with his wife, Rosemarie F., who police said had no idea about her husband's other family living in the cellar.


I'm sorry, but I call bull****. While it is probable that the neighbors had no clue, I seriously doubt that his wife had no clue.

Maybe he could hide his daughter for a year with no suspicion.

Five years, he's doing incredibly well with stealth.

Ten years, Hmmm...

But 24 years? Bull****.

Of course, I do recognize that the story doesn't indicate that the wife is the daughter's mom. So, the wife may not have been around for 24 years. It doesn't say, that I can see, when the wife and man got married. I would say it had to have been several years, though, because they adopted 3 of the children.

Still, it leaves the wife as appearing to be one of the stupidist people on Earth.

[nightwng2000]

Can we just burn this guy alive? Oh and his pic ****ing creeps me out.

Yeah, I got the same feeling from that picture.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24350747/


For people receiving direct deposits, those with a Social Security number ending in 00 to 20 will have their economic stimulus payment deposited to their bank account by May 2.

Those with Social Security numbers ending in 21 to 75 will get their direct deposits by May 9 and those with Social Security numbers ending in 76 to 99 getting their deposits by May 16.


:: Pees self. ::

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24350725/


An inmate awaiting trial on a murder charge is suing the county, complaining he has lost more than 100 pounds because of the jailhouse menu.

Broderick Lloyd Laswell says he isn't happy that he's down to 308 pounds after eight months in the Benton County jail. He has filed a federal lawsuit complaining the jail doesn't provide inmates with enough food.


Uh, 'scuse me? Jail. Duh!


"On several occasions I have started to do some exercising and my vision went blurry and I felt like I was going to pass out," Laswell wrote in his complaint. "About an hour after each meal my stomach starts to hurt and growl. I feel hungry again."

But Laswell then goes on to complain that he undertakes little vigorous activity.

"If we are in a small pod all day (and) do next to nothing for physical exercise, we should not lose weight," the suit says. "The only reason we lost weight in here is because we are literally being starved to death."


Uh, 'scuse me? Jail. Duh!


The meals, provided through Aramark Correctional Institution Services, average 3,000 calories a day, jail Capt. Hunter Petray told The Morning News of northwest Arkansas for a story Saturday.

A typical Western diet consists of 2,000 to 3,000 calories a day.


Pneumonia is a good diet maker too.

Really, fat ass, you're in jail. And, yes, I can call this dumbass a fat ass 'cuz I'm one too and if I could drop 50 pounds and keep it off, I'd be happy.

Hot food? Be grateful it ain't bread and water, bitch.

:mad:

[beemoh]

An inmate awaiting trial on a murder charge is suing the county, complaining he has lost more than 100 pounds because of the jailhouse menu.

...Paris Hilton is quoted as saying "My, like, getting out of jail early was, like, such a bad idea, like, y'know", etc.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24340958/


A teenager who had recently moved back home after breaking up with his live-in girlfriend is accused of gunning down and killing four family members, stunning friends and neighbors.

Nathaniel Dickson, 18, was arrested Saturday night at a home in Belton about 20 miles from where the bodies of his father, stepmother, stepsister and younger brother were found, authorities said.

Those who knew Dickson grappled with how the quiet teen who loved video games and sports now was charged with four counts of murder.


Well, we can see where this will go. Now, in the MSNBC report, it's in appropriate context. But you know what will happen if FOX News carries it. They'll call up their favorite liar and deceiver to give his misinformed wooden nickel's worth.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Can we just burn this guy alive? Oh and his pic ****ing creeps me out.

The Austrian Police are seriously considering it.

[beemoh]

They'll call up their favorite liar and deceiver to give his misinformed wooden nickel's worth.

Who will promptly claim the guy had an advance copy of GTAIV.

[Twin-Skies]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24350725/



I'll have whatever they're feeding him. Dropping to 180 from 210 is a pain.

[nightwng2000]

I'll have whatever they're feeding him. Dropping to 180 from 210 is a pain.

See now, I'm supposed to be 180 according to the stats, but my own doctor told me that if I come down from 250 to 210 or 200, I'm doing good.

[Twin-Skies]

See now, I'm supposed to be 180 according to the stats, but my own doctor told me that if I come down from 250 to 210 or 200, I'm doing good.

Daily stretches, calinstethics, oatmeal dinners, and 2 km jogs will work wonders for 'ya. My arnis instructor pushed me to do these, and got me to lose 35 pounds in just 3 months XD.

Might want to give it a try.

[Hannah]

Daily stretches, calinstethics, oatmeal dinners, and 2 km jogs will work wonders for 'ya. My arnis instructor pushed me to do these, and got me to lose 35 pounds in just 3 months XD.

Might want to give it a try.

Hmm...

I'm lazy (though I have been going to the gym a tiny bit lately), I live largely on toast, pasta and cheese, and I somehow weigh only 135 pounds. I'm gonna be so screwed when my metabolism slows down in a matter of years... I can't imagine doing all that on a daily basis :p

[MUTANT SPUD]

Hmm...

I'm lazy (though I have been going to the gym a tiny bit lately), I live largely on toast, pasta and cheese, and I somehow weigh only 135 pounds. I'm gonna be so screwed when my metabolism slows down in a matter of years... I can't imagine doing all that on a daily basis :p That happened to me at 35, I didn't see my brother for that whole year,when he came back from Sydney he said he was shocked at how big I was, got it under control now, not drinking anymore helps a lot too, I've lost 20 kilos since October last year when I gave up.

[MUTANT SPUD]

The Austrian Police are seriously considering it. What is it with Austrians and imprisoning people in dungeons under their houses, there was a case a year or two ago where an Austrian guy had a teenage girl captive for 8 years or something. As for the wife, you'd be surprised the extent to which some people can block out things they don't want to accept, he probably had her totally under his thumb anyway, guys like that are really good at manipulating the people around them.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

What is it with Austrians and imprisoning people in dungeons under their houses,

Some Austrians *Cough* Hitler *Cough* take imprisioning people too far.

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm

A bill outlawing the possession of "extreme pornography" is set to become law next week. But many fear it has been rushed through and will criminalise innocent people with a harmless taste for unconventional sex.

That's the spandex brigade here under fire.

However, this is what is problematic:

But the government has sought to broaden the definition and the bill includes phrases such as "an act which threatens or appears to threaten a person's life".

This can very easily be stretched to the content of games, making this post massively efficient for this forum.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm
That's the spandex brigade here under fire.


And various others Twin Skies..

.. I wonder if we can make Hentai Illegal on these grounds..?

[Demontestament]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/polygamist.retreat.ap/index.html

A little update in the polygamist cult case.

A total of 53 girls between the ages of 14 and 17 are in state custody after a raid 3 1/2 weeks ago at the Yearning For Zion Ranch in Eldorado. Of those girls, 31 either have children or are pregnant, said Child Protective Services spokesman Darrell Azar. He didn't specify how many are pregnant.

Anyone want to defend them being allowed to screw children now?

State officials took custody of all 463 children at the ranch controlled by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, saying a pattern of teen girls forced into underage "spiritual" marriages and sex with much older men created an unsafe environment for the sect's children.

Forcing a young girl to marry someone more than double their age and then force them to have sex with said person and birth the scumbags children, yeah I would call that an unsafe environment.

Under Texas law, children under the age of 17 generally cannot consent to sex with an adult. A girl can get married with parental permission at 16, but none of these girls is believed to have a legal marriage under state law.

So that would make it not only rape, but child rape. Religion or not people need to be burned for this. Is the FLDS even a recognized religion organization? Or do they still have to pay taxes?

FLDS spokesman Rod Parker said he does not believe the CPS count is accurate. He said that from talking to ranch residents, he believes at least 17 of the girls may actually be adults but have been labeled by CPS as minors.

Doesn't matter, they are still rape victims. Rod Parker and anyone else who is actually fighting for these pedos who rape children under the guise of religion seriously needs to leave the ****ing planet right now. Ten to one Rod Parker has a few child brides himself. The "It is their Religion" argument holds no water. If I wanted to go around, get a bunch of people to join my cult and then kill them in the most brutal way possible and then claim it was my religion, should I get off because of that? I would hope not. People have committed atrocities all over the world throughout history under the blanket of religion. That did not make it ok then, and it should not make it ok now.

Civil-liberties groups and lawyers for the children have criticized the state for sweeping all the children, from nursing infants to teen boys, into foster care when only teen girls are alleged to have been sexually abused.

It is so the boys are not raised to think they are allowed to rape women and little girls because they are their property.

The sect, which broke from the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints more than a century ago, believes polygamy brings glorification in heaven. Its leader, Warren Jeffs, is revered as a prophet. Jeffs was convicted last year in Utah of forcing a 14-year-old girl into marriage with an older cousin

Really? Glory in heaven for raping a little girl because she is now your "Wife"? Warren Jeffs is not a Prophet, Warren Jeffs is a sick pedophile who likes to marry off children to his friends so they can use them as sex objects.

Didn't Jesus himself say something along the lines of "If you bring any harm to a little one, you should have a stone tied around your neck and you should be cast off into the ocean"? Might not be the exact quote but it thought it was along the same lines. And last time I checked, forcing a child or any woman into a sexual situation IE rape was brining harm to them.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/polygamist.retreat.ap/index.html

A little update in the polygamist cult case.

Anyone want to defend them being allowed to screw children now?

Forcing a young girl to marry someone more than double their age and then force them to have sex with said person and birth the scumbags children, yeah I would call that an unsafe environment.

So that would make it not only rape, but child rape. Religion or not people need to be burned for this. Is the FLDS even a recognized religion organization? Or do they still have to pay taxes?

Doesn't matter, they are still rape victims. Rod Parker and anyone else who is actually fighting for these pedos who rape children under the guise of religion seriously needs to leave the ****ing planet right now. Ten to one Rod Parker has a few child brides himself. The "It is their Religion" argument holds no water. If I wanted to go around, get a bunch of people to join my cult and then kill them in the most brutal way possible and then claim it was my religion, should I get off because of that? I would hope not. People have committed atrocities all over the world throughout history under the blanket of religion. That did not make it ok then, and it should not make it ok now.

It is so the boys are not raised to think they are allowed to rape women and little girls because they are their property.

Really? Glory in heaven for raping a little girl because she is now your "Wife"? Warren Jeffs is not a Prophet, Warren Jeffs is a sick pedophile who likes to marry off children to his friends so they can use them as sex objects.

Didn't Jesus himself say something along the lines of "If you bring any harm to a little one, you should have a stone tied around your neck and you should be cast off into the ocean"? Might not be the exact quote but it thought it was along the same lines. And last time I checked, forcing a child or any woman into a sexual situation IE rape was brining harm to them.

I demand that the next raid be carried out by the USMC. With Live Ammunition and Carpet Bombing. Once the children have been evactuated, of course.

[Twin-Skies]

And various others Twin Skies..

.. I wonder if we can make Hentai Illegal on these grounds..?

What do I care? It's Britain - that's your problem.

'Sides, even I know when extreme H is extreme - I have my principles too.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/28/polygamist.retreat.ap/index.html

Anyone want to defend them being allowed to screw children now?

It is so the boys are not raised to think they are allowed to rape women and little girls because they are their property.


With those two very lines, the argument I make stands. This wasn't about someone reporting specific incidents. This was about "morally superior" individuals and government officials deciding that the beliefs of the group are "morally inferior" to their own beliefs.

The screams of "rape" and "child rape" are as inflammatory as saying anyone who plays a violent video game, like Manhunt must therefore be a murder in training.

The fact is that not everyone within the group follows exactly the same beliefs. A number of them state that they follow monogamy as a relationship ideal. That it is in fact, those who oppose their religious beliefs who have made up false information to force them to follow other people's religious beliefs. Quite frankly, based on the actions of the state and others, that's not hard for me to believe.

Indeed, further misinformation spread by comparing polygamy to bigamy, a criminal act. But, as pointed out, many of the marriages aren't legal but rather religious marriages, thereby making the claims of "bigamy" false and fraudulent.

You also continue to scream about child rape, but there was NO factual evidence to back up such a claim prior to the storming of the farm. That would be equivilant to the authorities seeing posts by you and saying "He's big, he believes in violence, therefore, we must place restraining orders on him to prevent him from harming others because people say he might be dangerous, even if he's never committed a violent act."

Moreover, there is now the consideration that the supposed 16 year old who claimed that SHE (not others, but she alone) was the victim of abuse was actually an adult in another state who was known to have made false claims in the past against others.

There was no due process in this case. No justification, under ethical law, for the taking of those children. The ONLY evidence in regards to those children was speculation, theory, gossip, opinion, and, at the time, false claims. Despite what turns up later, the evidence is still clear: Those children have been taken under false pretense and are being held under false pretense and are being exposed to beliefs and other materials contrary to what their Parents might expose them to.

No where have I said that I defend them for their beliefs. Only that I defend their Right to have their beliefs without threat of harassment or arrest or at least face due process equally with any other individual, religious organization, or whatever.

Frankly, I wouldn't want my own child to be a member of the sect any more than I would want him to be a member of a Christian group that believes bigotry and hate against others is a "moral" thing and that going out and verbally, mentally, physically, and/or sexually abusing others who don't follow them. But there are plenty of folks who do have that belief. And I, nor the government nor anyone else, has the Right to dictate to them that they don't have that Right.

[nightwng2000]

I demand that the next raid be carried out by the USMC. With Live Ammunition and Carpet Bombing. Once the children have been evactuated, of course.

Hey, why not do it to the various churches of the WBC? Why not against Catholic Churches who maintained priests who molested children? Certainly if they protect their priests, then they must all be child molestors, eh?

Hey, how about all those churches who belong to the Baptist Convention who refer to homosexuals as "abominations"? Certainly those kids being taught such beliefs are going out and terrorizing other people, even other kids, through verbal, mental, physical, even sexual abuse. They all do it. Don't need any actual proof. We KNOW they're guilty. They're creating Tiny Terrorist Tots to infiltrate schools. We must protect those children! Shoot 'em all! Kill 'em all! They don't believe what we believe! Kill! Kill! Kill!


:rolleyes:

Sorry, I'm just in a pissy mood. Zachary was suspended from school for 2 days... FOR -PLAY- FIGHTING!

HOW ****ING STUPID ARE THESE PEOPLE RUNNING THE SCHOOLS????

[KN]

Hey, why not do it to the various churches of the WBC? Why not against Catholic Churches who maintained priests who molested children? Certainly if they protect their priests, then they must all be child molestors, eh?

Hey, how about all those churches who belong to the Baptist Convention who refer to homosexuals as "abominations"? Certainly those kids being taught such beliefs are going out and terrorizing other people, even other kids, through verbal, mental, physical, even sexual abuse. They all do it. Don't need any actual proof. We KNOW they're guilty. They're creating Tiny Terrorist Tots to infiltrate schools. We must protect those children! Shoot 'em all! Kill 'em all! They don't believe what we believe! Kill! Kill! Kill!

Actually yes, I don't see the problem here.

[Twin-Skies]

I demand that the next raid be carried out by the USMC. With Live Ammunition and Carpet Bombing. Once the children have been evactuated, of course.

Are you mad?

Forget all the fancy-schmancy bombers and bullets that may leave survivors. I say we hit them with tactical nukes at the very start!

Exterminatus is underrated.

[nightwng2000]

Actually yes, I don't see the problem here.

Yeah...

And in some ways that's the problem for a great many folks.

The thing is, most people don't see where it can actually go.

It's very easy to agree with the idea when WE aren't the targets. But what if the people in charge decided that WE SHOULD be the targets. At least here in the US, authority figures, and therefore control over idealism, can change fairly rapidly. While you might not see at this exact moment a SWAT team sent in to take kids out of a church that believes in homosexual marriage or a SWAT team sent into the homes of Atheists/Agnostics to remove children because they are being exposed to "immorality", don't assume that a slower bulid up to that can't and won't happen.

That's why I defend Rights in general, because even if I'm not currently a target, I may very well one day BE someone's target. And I want to prevent that day from ever coming.

[KN]

Civilization doesn't work that way.

[nightwng2000]

Civilization doesn't work that way.

Civilization??? Where? Where?

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24357277/


Two parents who prayed as their 11-year-old daughter died of untreated diabetes were charged Monday with second-degree reckless homicide.

Family and friends had urged Dale and Leilani Neumann to get help for their daughter, but the father considered the illness “a test of faith” and the mother never considered taking the girl to the doctor because she thought her daughter was under a “spiritual attack,” the criminal complaint said.



Randall Wormgoor, a friend of the Neumanns, told police that Dale Neumann led Bible studies at his business, Monkey Mo Coffee Shop, and believed physical illness was due to sin, curable by prayer and by asking for forgiveness from God, the complaint said.



Leilani Neumann, 40, told the AP previously she never expected her daughter to die. The family believes in the Bible, which says healing comes from God, but they have nothing against doctors, she said.

Dale Neumann, 46, a former police officer, has said he has friends who are doctors and started CPR “as soon as the breath of life left” his daughter’s body.

According to court documents, Leilani Neumann said in a written statement to police that she never considered taking the girl, who was being home-schooled, to a doctor.



One relative told police that the girl’s mother believed she “died because the devil is trying to stop Leilani from starting her own ministry,” the complaint said.



The family does not belong to an organized religion or faith, Leilani Neumann has said.

Everest Metro Police Chief Dan Vergin said the parents once belonged to the Lighthouse Pentecostal Church but later became what he called religious “isolationists” involved in a prayer group of five people.

“They have gone out on their own,” he said. “... They have a very narrow view of Scripture and I would say not many people hold to that narrow of view.”

In March, an Oregon couple who belong to a church that preaches against medical care and believes in treating illness with prayer were charged with manslaughter and criminal mistreatment in the death of their 15-month-old daughter. The toddler died March 2 of bronchial pneumonia and a blood infection that could have been treated with antibiotics, the state medical examiner’s office said.


Much as my own personal beliefs differ greatly from these folks, I can't say that I would oppose their decision.

A lot of folks have differing beliefs when it comes to religion and health care. No blood transfusions. No surgery. DNRs even for minor conditions. Even drastic psychiatric solutions developed with the foundation of religious beliefs.

I'm glad I'm not a doctor. I couldn't just stand back and not TRY to help someone I thought I could help. Pray all you want. Just let me DO something also.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24360441/


A father was arrested at a high school Monday where he allegedly stabbed a boy he thought had witnessed a sexual assault against the man's daughter.


Yeah... and what game can we blame THIS school violence on?

[nightwng2000]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,353157,00.html


Computer games and violence, often linked by critics of the video-game industry, came together in an unusually graphic manner Monday night when a man was stabbed while waiting to buy "Grand Theft Auto IV."



By 11 p.m., about a hundred people had gathered at Gamestation in Croydon, south London, when a 23-year-old man standing in the queue was stabbed several times by a passer-by.


Ahem! "Passer-by"!

"Passer-by"!

Not someone in the line.

A "Passer-by"!


Awww... isn't this cute?

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/videogaming/

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352822,00.html?sPage=fnc/scitech/videogaming


I haven't murdered any prostitutes or engaged in any graphic sex acts. (Although, for the record, there's a very brief, non-interactive S&M scene right at the beginning of the game (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352822,00.html?sPage=fnc/scitech/videogaming#) — which almost serves as a warning that this isn't "Pokemon.")

And the violence has been relatively tame: Certainly, the number of bodies dropped per hour is less than in the last two Oscar-winning best pictures, "No Country for Old Men" and "The Departed."


Careful, with a good review on GTA IV, FOX News might dump ya!

Ok, so it's an AP journalist. So, they'll never include their reviews ever again.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Are you mad?

Forget all the fancy-schmancy bombers and bullets that may leave survivors. I say we hit them with tactical nukes at the very start!

Exterminatus is underrated.

Real World =/= Grim Darkness Of The Distant Future

[Pelor]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7364475.stm

That's the spandex brigade here under fire.

However, this is what is problematic:

This can very easily be stretched to the content of games, making this post massively efficient for this forum.
Don't worry. If it's anything like Canada's antiporn law, it will only effect gay people.

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7374317.stm

Brazilian football star Ronaldo has been caught up in a sex scandal with three cross-dressing prostitutes.

Having dropped off his girlfriend at her house in Rio de Janeiro on Monday night, the footballer picked up three prostitutes.

When they all booked into a motel, Ronaldo discovered that the prostitutes were in fact men.

[Thefremen]

Yeah...

And in some ways that's the problem for a great many folks.

The thing is, most people don't see where it can actually go.

It's very easy to agree with the idea when WE aren't the targets. But what if the people in charge decided that WE SHOULD be the targets. At least here in the US, authority figures, and therefore control over idealism, can change fairly rapidly. While you might not see at this exact moment a SWAT team sent in to take kids out of a church that believes in homosexual marriage or a SWAT team sent into the homes of Atheists/Agnostics to remove children because they are being exposed to "immorality", don't assume that a slower bulid up to that can't and won't happen.

That's why I defend Rights in general, because even if I'm not currently a target, I may very well one day BE someone's target. And I want to prevent that day from ever coming.

I think the problem is that until this case, there was no tit-for-tat. I mean, how can we declare holy war on the Muslim world while working towards imprisoning all secularists and agnostics but not also imprison so-called Christians who deviate from the faith as practiced by the God Emperor George the Second? It would be hypocrisy of the highest order!

Also, just because you say it's for a religion or mind-**** people into thinking its acceptable doesn't make sex-slavery ok.

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7373667.stm

The "Get unhooked" advert aimed at getting people to quit smoking was the most complained about advert last year.

The Department of Health advert prompted 774 complaints to the Advertising Standards Authority (ASA).

The number of adverts complained about in 2007 was the highest ever at 14,080 and key grievances were violence and misleading claims about being green.

But 2,458 adverts were changed or withdrawn following action by the ASA, it said in its annual report.

So here are the top 10 adverts of 2007, measured by volume of complaints:

[Twin-Skies]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7373667.stm

"Those who complained objected to the nudity, saying it was gratuitous and irrelevant to the product."

*Sees advert*

What do they have against beached whales?

At least they listed PETA in there as well - now I know they're doing their job :)

[nightwng2000]

Also, just because you say it's for a religion or mind-**** people into thinking its acceptable doesn't make sex-slavery ok.

Except that there was no actual evidence of sex slavery. Only speculation, theory, gossip, rumor, and opinion. It was similar to the Branch Dividians. Someone gave their "expert" psychological opinion of what was going on in the ranch there, too. Only thing was, that "expert" opinion was based on speculation, theory, gossip, rumor, and opinion, not an actual evaluation or discussion with anyone currently at the ranch. And that "expert" opinion was used in part as a justification of storming the Dividians.

Again, it's no different than authorities and "experts" receiving opinions, gossip, and rumors about anyone here might be living and then those authorities storming into your homes, taking you out, splitting up your families, and keeping any children away from their Parents. All based on speculation, theory, gossip, rumor, and opinion. And publically making those claims to everyone around the world and justifying their past and future acts against you. After all, the authorities really must be acting in good faith, must they not?

I'd also like to point out another case of "it's my religious Right over everyone else's".

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24037660/

It's very similar to a great many of the arguments made regarding religious Rights in schools.

Not merely that an individual has the Right to believe what they want, but that that their religion requires them to spread it.

But what if the person they are "spreading" their religion to doesn't want to hear it? Or, what if the Parents of that student don't want them to have conflicting religious views spread to their child? Or, what if that "spreading" of religious views entails verbal and mental abuse ("don't believe what we believe then you're going to hell!", etc)?

So, they have argued that it is their religious Right to "spread" their religion. But is it their Right to "spread" their beliefs by force? What if instead of a religion, it was an Atheist/Agnostic who wanted to "spread" their beliefs and they wanted to do so using similar tactics of long term abuse (assuming just verbal and mental abuse daily for believing something different, if not physical and/or sexual abuse).

So, who has more Rights? The person "spreading" their beliefs or the person that is their target? It tends to get muddied in the legal debate arena. So the claim is that their religion requires them to "spread" their beliefs by fair means or foul. Does that mean their Rights override the non-believer's?

The line should be as simple as saying each has the Right to believe what they want but neither has the Right to abuse others to force their beliefs on them. But, supposedly, the abuse is part of their belief system. So where is the line of Rights?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Except that there was no actual evidence of sex slavery. Only speculation, theory, gossip, rumor, and opinion. It was similar to the Branch Dividians. Someone gave their "expert" psychological opinion of what was going on in the ranch there, too. Only thing was, that "expert" opinion was based on speculation, theory, gossip, rumor, and opinion, not an actual evaluation or discussion with anyone currently at the ranch. And that "expert" opinion was used in part as a justification of storming the Dividians.

Again, it's no different than authorities and "experts" receiving opinions, gossip, and rumors about anyone here might be living and then those authorities storming into your homes, taking you out, splitting up your families, and keeping any children away from their Parents. All based on speculation, theory, gossip, rumor, and opinion. And publically making those claims to everyone around the world and justifying their past and future acts against you. After all, the authorities really must be acting in good faith, must they not?

And you say what to that 16 year old girl? The one who got away, I mean.

[nightwng2000]

And you say what to that 16 year old girl? The one who got away, I mean.

Uh, which 16 year old girl would that be????

If you're talking about the caller that claimed she, specifically she, was abused:
(1) No such caller has come forward at last report.
(2) At last report, the caller is suspected to be a woman in another state who has previously been know to make fake calls to authorities.
(3) If someone left, child or otherwise, without threat to either stay or come out (as speculations have been that the women who didn't return to the farm were afraid they would never be allowed to see their children again if they did go back (and if you think I believe an authority's claim it isn't true after what the authorities have already done...), then fine. Indeed, if they left and there's no evidence of retaliation, then it kinda puts the rumors and gossip about not being allowed to leave in a new light, wouldn't you say?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Uh, which 16 year old girl would that be????

If you're talking about the caller that claimed she, specifically she, was abused:
(1) No such caller has come forward at last report.
(2) At last report, the caller is suspected to be a woman in another state who has previously been know to make fake calls to authorities.
(3) If someone left, child or otherwise, without threat to either stay or come out (as speculations have been that the women who didn't return to the farm were afraid they would never be allowed to see their children again if they did go back (and if you think I believe an authority's claim it isn't true after what the authorities have already done...), then fine. Indeed, if they left and there's no evidence of retaliation, then it kinda puts the rumors and gossip about not being allowed to leave in a new light, wouldn't you say?

No, I specifically remember seeing a 16 year old girl getting away from that one in Texas, and appearing before or being interviewed by ABC News, and subsequently being shown on the BBC.

[nightwng2000]

No, I specifically remember seeing a 16 year old girl getting away from that one in Texas, and appearing before or being interviewed by ABC News, and subsequently being shown on the BBC.

You must be talking about a prior event. I'm not denying it didn't happen, but I don't know the event. But if she left (escaped or walked out the front door) I have no details to speak to, isn't she still alive? Thereby contridicting the claims that people who leave are killed or "recaptured"?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard-mayor/article-23481331-details/Ken:+Voters+will+reject+Boris+at+the+crunch/article.do

"The number of police has gone up so that can't be a reason why violent crime among teenagers has gone up. I do think we need to look at the violence in our culture now. I once went with my niece and nephew to the Trocadero and played one of these shoot 'em up games. It was totally addictive. It touches something profound about what we are as an animal. All the last 10,000 years' slow march through civilisation has been an attempt to control that"

[nightwng2000]

No, I specifically remember seeing a 16 year old girl getting away from that one in Texas, and appearing before or being interviewed by ABC News, and subsequently being shown on the BBC.

And, I just realized a potential contridiction in the matter of the cases.

As I say, I don't know about the specifics of the 16 year old you are talking about, but look at this:

(1) In current case, a supposed 16 year old girl calls in to a hotline and claims she, herself, is abused and the authorities storm in and remove over 400 kids, claiming THEY were abused.
(2) An actual 16 year old comes out, makes claims... and what? Does that mean the authorities stormed in and took the children (or was it the immediate precursor to the Waco standoff?). Remember, the first case was pretty much immediate.

Also, I'm suddenly curious. If the members of this recent case were so isolated and controlled... how did even one girl KNOW about a hotline in the first place? Even if the supposed victims believed what was done to them was wrong, how would they know to call a hotline if they were so heavily controlled?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

You must be talking about a prior event. I'm not denying it didn't happen, but I don't know the event. But if she left (escaped or walked out the front door) I have no details to speak to, isn't she still alive? Thereby contridicting the claims that people who leave are killed or "recaptured"?

Those claims are not hard to contradict. You can slip out under cover of darkness.

[Thefremen]

Those claims are not hard to contradict. You can slip out under cover of darkness.

If people can escape Nazi war camps and make it over the Berlin wall, I'm pretty sure there would be someone clever enough to escape from a bunch of inbred polygamists.

[Demontestament]

And, I just realized a potential contridiction in the matter of the cases.

As I say, I don't know about the specifics of the 16 year old you are talking about, but look at this:

(1) In current case, a supposed 16 year old girl calls in to a hotline and claims she, herself, is abused and the authorities storm in and remove over 400 kids, claiming THEY were abused.
(2) An actual 16 year old comes out, makes claims... and what? Does that mean the authorities stormed in and took the children (or was it the immediate precursor to the Waco standoff?). Remember, the first case was pretty much immediate.

Also, I'm suddenly curious. If the members of this recent case were so isolated and controlled... how did even one girl KNOW about a hotline in the first place? Even if the supposed victims believed what was done to them was wrong, how would they know to call a hotline if they were so heavily controlled?

The 16 year old BI is talking about was a woman interviewed a few weeks ago who was born into the FLDS and raised in Warren Jeffs teachings. From what she said the girls were taught to always obey the men, no matter what they said they had to do it without argument or they would go to hell. They were not allowed to touch water because "That is where Satan lives", when she was married off at 15, she said she was repeatedly sexually assulted by her husband who was at the time 47. She was taught that she was nothing but property to be given to a man who was deemed fit to have her and refusing to serve him would doom her to hell.

Her story alone, not to mention the testimony of the women in the Warren Jeffs trial confirms that these compounds are no place for children, a place where they are brainwashed into a twisted way of thinking. A way of thinking that have men dominating over every aspect of a womans life, hell I don't care if some guy wants to have 20 wives. That is up to them if the women are consenting and over the age of 18, but when they are married off to a man at the age of 14 against their will and then forced to consummate the marriage or be doomed to hell. That is when the line needs to be drawn.

Yes the question of how the teen got the cell phone and the number is a little suspicious but not completely unreasonable. From what some people are saying, should could have gotten the phone from an outsider and used it to place the call. Now yes that is a slim chance but it is still possible. Now as to her whereabouts I would check six feet under, seeing as how Jeffs himself had no problem making the "impure heathens" vanish, I don't doubt that members of the ranch made the girl vanish too.

And before we start getting into the "Moral Superiority" debate let me just say I personally hate every and all religions and think they do nothing but corrupt people into a certain closed minded way of thinking that leads their followers to do random acts of violence to others who believe a different way. So I don't want to hear I only think this way because I am against the religion and for another one, or that I am against it because it is a religion. I have no problem with people practicing religion, only those who use it as a shield to hide behind when they commit their crimes.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

If people can escape Nazi war camps and make it over the Berlin wall, I'm pretty sure there would be someone clever enough to escape from a bunch of inbred polygamists.

Both of which were done, before Nightwng asks.

[Demontestament]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/teen.charged.ap/index.html

Title says it all. Kid is a ****ing moron.

A teen accused of plotting to blow up his high school told police that he wanted to die, go to heaven and kill Jesus, federal authorities said Tuesday.

Ten to one the guy is claiming this so he can get off on an insanity plea so he doesn't have to spend the rest of his life in jail.

[Demontestament]

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/news/show_blog_entry.php?topic_id=26367546&part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6190069

Wait so he will star in a violent movie where he kills his enemies anyway possible, yet he won't do the voice for the character in a video game because of the violence? ****ing Hypocrite. Ten to one mommy got to him or he didn't want to ruin his mom's credibility since she has already claimed Matt and her have always had serious talks about violence starting when he was just a little boy.

This just in, Matt Damon will no longer take any role unless his mommy gives the ok.

[nightwng2000]

Her story alone, not to mention the testimony of the women in the Warren Jeffs trial confirms that these compounds are no place for children,


Based on YOUR beliefs. Don't join. Don't send any kids you might have. That's YOUR Right. Same as it is my Right not to join or send my kid to it.



a place where they are brainwashed into a twisted way of thinking. A way of thinking that have men dominating over every aspect of a womans life, hell I don't care if some guy wants to have 20 wives. That is up to them if the women are consenting and over the age of 18, but when they are married off to a man at the age of 14 against their will and then forced to consummate the marriage or be doomed to hell. That is when the line needs to be drawn.


".... doomed to hell" if one doesn't follow someone else's religious beliefs. Or "doomed to be seen as stupid and ignorant" if one believes in a religious belief. So chastising and verbal/mental abuse is fine for one belief system but not another?


Yes the question of how the teen got the cell phone and the number is a little suspicious but not completely unreasonable. From what some people are saying, should could have gotten the phone from an outsider and used it to place the call. Now yes that is a slim chance but it is still possible. Now as to her whereabouts I would check six feet under, seeing as how Jeffs himself had no problem making the "impure heathens" vanish, I don't doubt that members of the ranch made the girl vanish too.


The 16 year old getting information, let alone a communications device, from an outsider is just as (in)valid as someone calling and making a hoax call. No proof either way. But, frankly, based on the unethical actions of the authorities thus far, whether seen justifiable after the fact or not, I'd be more willing to believe there wasn't a phone call at all and the the whole claim of a phone call was a hoax perpetrated by the authorities themselve.

As to the alleged girl being dead, provide a body and evidence the body was the 16 year old girl and that she didn't die of natural causes (ie, the authorities didn't dig her up from a cemetary that could just as easily be on the ranch site). Otherwise, it's just gossip, rumor, speculation, theory, and opinion.


And before we start getting into the "Moral Superiority" debate let me just say I personally hate every and all religions and think they do nothing but corrupt people into a certain closed minded way of thinking that leads their followers to do random acts of violence to others who believe a different way. So I don't want to hear I only think this way because I am against the religion and for another one, or that I am against it because it is a religion. I have no problem with people practicing religion, only those who use it as a shield to hide behind when they commit their crimes.
[/QUOTE]

That's just it, you not only view your ideals as better than others, you believe OTHERS must do the same. Not everyone, but certainly those who stretch your beliefs to the utmost limits of what you can or cannot accept.

Between my beliefs and Fred Phelp's beliefs, I choose mine over Phelp's for myself and my son. I believe bigots are a danger to society as a whole. And I don't want them spreading their ignorance to my child. But that's my Right as he is my child. But do I believe they must bend to my beliefs, even if I view them as a danger to others? Do I believe I have that Right?

And, sadly, I have to have some form of consistancy. I can't say it's ok to say one group can believe something but another group can't. No matter what that difference of belief is.

And, yes, I know there are con artists out there who will "create" a religion just to exploit or abuse their followers. But, at the same time, I can't arbitrarily pick and choose who deserves protection and who doesn't under the First Amendment. It's like arguming what is and what isn't protected Speech. What is and what isn't art. What is and what isn't a protected form of expression. I cannot subjigate one without doing the same to all, religious and non-religious alike.

And that goes for any Right granted by the Consitution, not just the First Amendment.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/04/29/teen.charged.ap/index.html

Title says it all. Kid is a ****ing moron.
Ten to one the guy is claiming this so he can get off on an insanity plea so he doesn't have to spend the rest of his life in jail.

It's a good strategy, you've got to admit.

[nightwng2000]

It's a good strategy, you've got to admit.

To die so you can kill someone who is already dead.

Yeah, what a genius. :rolleyes:

[beemoh]

http://www.theinquirer.net/gb/inquirer/news/2008/04/30/paedophiles-younger-every-day

KIDS IN THE WEST of England are pretending to be paedophiles in order to settle playground scores.

The bizarre twist on 50-year-old fat blokes pretending to be young girls to befriend them came to light as Her Majesty's plod investigated nine cases in Padstow, Cornwall, where children were threatened by schoolmates posing as dirty old men.

Kids as young as 10 were posing as predatory paedophiles on Bebo and MSN to frighten schoolmates they had fallen out with.

[KN]

I dunno man. We shouldn't poke our nose into that Apartheid business. That's their belief. We can't go pressure them into reforming.

___________________

[nightwng2000]

___________________

Real mature.

But, hey, maybe "the right people" will finally gain control of the US government and start poking into every other country's "morality" and those we don't consider "moral", we invade and kill all the "immoral" citizens. Would that make you feel ever so better then? Hey, who knows what may happen if McCain is voted in as President.

We can pull an Iraq type invasion on all the "immoral" countries we want. After all, everyone in power must be there because they are the most moral people alive, huh?

What the hell. Let's send several thousand US soldiers into Africa. Sure, we're the right people to do it. We, the US, knows what's best for everyone. Don't we?

Hey, even better. We all know Natalie Holloway is actually a sex slave being held against her will. We have to send in every Black Ops military organization to storm into every home until we find her. And if people don't cooperate, hey, just kill 'em. They must be sex slavers, huh? Everyone knows the Dutch are Godless immoral sex slavers. C'mon, don't bother denying it. Only the morally superior in charge in the US can possibly tell the truth, huh?

:rolleyes:

Y'Know, it feels great to live in a country that is morally superior to everyone else in the world. Bow! Yield! Kneel! Death to those who won't submit to our rule!

Actually, that feels pretty darn good. Death to the immoral! Make slaves of the survivors! Burn the US Constitution! Only the Morally Superior have Rights!

[KN]

lurk moar news. Holloway is a dead whore, and the guy threw her into the ocean because he paniced and was a dip****.

Seriously now, what you advocate is the moral equivalent of using dangerous gas lamps in a place where electrical light is safer, cheaper and available to everyone.

[nightwng2000]

lurk moar news. Holloway is a dead whore, and the guy threw her into the ocean because he paniced and was a dip****.

Seriously now, what you advocate is the moral equivalent of using dangerous gas lamps in a place where electrical light is safer, cheaper and available to everyone.

Nope, sorry, can't hear ya. See, you're a citizen of the immoral other countries. Only the leaders of the current US government are moral enough to make the decisions as to what is and what is not moral or immoral.

Hey, a number of ya wanted me this way. So, here I am. We are the world's police force. More than that, the US is the world's moral compass. If we say something is immoral and you act that we, then suffer our move to overthrown and subjegate your citizens.

Who cares what the media claims? They are just a bunch of immoral slobs who are aiding and abeiting the immorality of sex slavers. Everyone knows it. Only immoral people will try to deny it.

Hey, the US is right all the time. If we get involved, it must be for a good, moral reason.

Both Iraq wars are morally correct.
The Vietnam War was morally correct.
The Korean War was morally correct.
Our not getting involved in the war against Germany was morally correct when we didn't get involved... then it was morally correct when we did get involved (don't ask me how that works, I'm just a citizen, if the government says it was morally correct, then it was, no matter what we did).

So, hey, if the US government wants to overthrow a few other countries because we don't like what they do or believe, fine. It's for morality's sake, isn't it? And we really must spread the US's brand of morality all over the world, huh?

And you think my foreign affairs policies are harsh, wait til ya see what I think of the immoral US citizens and what should happen to them. After all, the US Constitution only protects the moral, not the immoral... whoever they are at any given time in the rule of the US government.

Really, you seem to feel I'm too... non confrontational/accepting/whatever... so I say let's do it.

Instead of saying "we won't do business with those who are aiding in some way acts such as apartheid and we'll speak against it when given the opportunity", we'll just send in the military, overthrow the country or organization, take away any kids and raise them how WE feel they should be raised, and make sure any survivors follow our way of life because it's better.

And we do it in other situations as well. And if any other country or organization doesn't do things our way with our approval, then we'll just "intervene". Because, after all, we know best, don't we?

[nightwng2000]

(1) Never allow Humans to do full Human cloning (including fully functioning brains (such as in The Island)). Sci Fi may give us a glimpse of what we might be like towards clones, but the existance of bigotry and hate in the real world makes the potential for fiction to become reality very high.

(2) Never allow Humans to develop time travel. Viewing history without interaction, maybe. But don't allow interaction or interference. Humans simply aren't responsible enough.

(3) Never allow Humans to explore other worlds, especially ones with other sentient life on it. Humans will never, ever, ever, abide by a Prime Directive. We could never, ever, ever, abide others living lives different than ours, especially if their lives offend us in some way.

[KN]

I feel it is humanity's mission to create the prettiest explosion

[nightwng2000]

I feel it is humanity's mission to create the prettiest explosion

Give me the right kind of hot spices and a good campfire....


:eek:

[KN]

Give me the right kind of hot spices and a good campfire....


:eek:

We must not be selfish. It must be large enough for other races to behold

[steelcobra]

Bunch of crap saying that because it's their religion, they can break the laws of the country they live in.

Guess what? Nuh-uh.

[nightwng2000]

We must not be selfish. It must be large enough for other races to behold

You don't know me and spicy foods.
:D

[Ohma]

****ing secesionist bigot****witted ****stains!

http://www.365gay.com/Newscon08/04/042908school.htm


Principal Outs Gay Student Coupleby 365Gay.com Newscenter Staff
Posted: April 29, 2008 - 1:00 pm ET
(Memphis, Tennessee) A public high school principal who posted the names of two boys on a list of students believed to be couples, revealing their relationship to their parents as well as other students and teachers, violated the students’ constitutional right to freedom of association, the American Civil Liberties Union charged Tuesday.
In a letter to school board officials in Memphis, the ACLU demanded that the school reprimand the principal and take steps to ensure such actions never happen again.
In September of 2007, the principal at Hollis F. Price Middle College High told teachers she wanted the names of all student couples, “hetero and homo,” because she wanted to monitor them personally to prevent students from engaging in public displays of affection.
The two students now represented by the ACLU, Andrew and Nicholas (who have asked that their last names not be revealed), were two A students who had been seeing each other for a short time and were attempting to keep their relationship quiet and private.
The principal heard about them through another student, then wrote their names on a list she posted next to her desk, in full view of anyone who entered her office.
One of the boys’ mothers personally witnessed the list when she met with the principal a few days later.
“I couldn’t believe it when I went to meet with the principal and that list was right there by her desk where anyone could see it,” said Andrea, Andrew’s mother.
“African American people face enough obstacles to succeeding in this world and I want my son to have every opportunity he’s worked so hard for. Our schools should be helping our children do well, not tearing them down for something like this.”
Although the boys had never been observed by any school staff engaging in any sort of display of affection, the principal called Nicholas’s mother Nichole.
According to Nichole, the principal said things like “Did you know your son is gay?” repeatedly and went on to say that she didn’t like gay people and wouldn’t tolerate homosexuality at her school.
Both students say they’ve had to deal with verbal harassment from both teachers and students since word got out around the school about their principal’s actions.
According to Nicholas, he also suffered another consequence of the principal’s discrimination. He had submitted extensive paperwork and several recommendations from teachers for a school trip to New Orleans to assist in rebuilding efforts.
Having a long history of community service, he was considered a shoo-in to be selected to go before the incident, but then a teacher told Nicholas some faculty were afraid he might “embarrass the school” or engage in “inappropriate behavior.”
A few days later, another student who hadn’t even applied to go on the trip was selected in his place.
“We never bothered anyone or did a single thing at school that broke any of the rules,” said Nicholas, a junior and honor student. “Every day I feel like they’re still punishing me, and I’m worried that this is going to hurt my chances to get into a good college.”
“The principal’s outing of these two students to their families, classmates, and teachers is unacceptable. Its only purpose was to intimidate not only these students but all gay students at Hollis Price,” said Hedy Weinberg, Executive Director at the ACLU of Tennessee.
“Educators should be focused on educating their students and not on harassing them because of their sexual orientation or the people with whom they associate.”
School officials have already confirmed the existence of the list to the ACLU in prior meetings held in an attempt to resolve the matter privately the union said.
In Tuesday’s letter to the Memphis City Schools Board of Commissioners, the ACLU points out that the principal ordered the boys not to even walk or study together at school.
“This is a public high school that runs on taxpayer dollars. As such, it is part of the government and must obey the Constitution in dealing with the students entrusted to its care each day,” said Bruce Kramer, a partner at Borod and Kramer in Memphis who also is working on the case.
“This school has no business singling these boys out and taking away educational opportunities against them simply because they were dating.”
©365Gay.com 2008


If anyone feels like expressing their displeasure towards this school their phone number is: 901-435-1765

[BlackIce, British Commie]

You don't know me and spicy foods.
:D

Sonic Diahthingy doesn't count.

[MUTANT SPUD]

Nope, sorry, can't hear ya. See, you're a citizen of the immoral other countries. Only the leaders of the current US government are moral enough to make the decisions as to what is and what is not moral or immoral.

Hey, a number of ya wanted me this way. So, here I am. We are the world's police force. More than that, the US is the world's moral compass. If we say something is immoral and you act that we, then suffer our move to overthrown and subjegate your citizens.

Who cares what the media claims? They are just a bunch of immoral slobs who are aiding and abeiting the immorality of sex slavers. Everyone knows it. Only immoral people will try to deny it.

Hey, the US is right all the time. If we get involved, it must be for a good, moral reason.

Both Iraq wars are morally correct.
The Vietnam War was morally correct.
The Korean War was morally correct.
Our not getting involved in the war against Germany was morally correct when we didn't get involved... then it was morally correct when we did get involved (don't ask me how that works, I'm just a citizen, if the government says it was morally correct, then it was, no matter what we did).

So, hey, if the US government wants to overthrow a few other countries because we don't like what they do or believe, fine. It's for morality's sake, isn't it? And we really must spread the US's brand of morality all over the world, huh?

And you think my foreign affairs policies are harsh, wait til ya see what I think of the immoral US citizens and what should happen to them. After all, the US Constitution only protects the moral, not the immoral... whoever they are at any given time in the rule of the US government.

Really, you seem to feel I'm too... non confrontational/accepting/whatever... so I say let's do it.

Instead of saying "we won't do business with those who are aiding in some way acts such as apartheid and we'll speak against it when given the opportunity", we'll just send in the military, overthrow the country or organization, take away any kids and raise them how WE feel they should be raised, and make sure any survivors follow our way of life because it's better.

And we do it in other situations as well. And if any other country or organization doesn't do things our way with our approval, then we'll just "intervene". Because, after all, we know best, don't we? The words democracy and morality are interchangable in the context of current U.S foreign policy. Maybe other societies can't accept U.S style democracy because they don't subscribe to the U.S version of morality.

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7376741.stm

Tehran has complained to the UN about remarks made last week by Hillary Clinton on the circumstances under which the US might attack Iran.

The Democratic presidential hopeful said last week the US could "totally obliterate" Iran if it attacked Israel.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

The words democracy and morality are interchangable in the context of current U.S foreign policy. Maybe other societies can't accept U.S style democracy because they don't subscribe to the U.S version of morality.

Which is the reason the world still has some form of hope.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/02/world/africa/02somalia.html?hp

Aden Hashi Ayro, one of Al Qaeda’s top agents in East Africa and the leader of the Islamist comeback in Somalia, was killed Thursday morning by an American airstrike, according to American and Somali officials.

One nil.

[Twin-Skies]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7376741.stm

An appropriate image is in order:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/twinskies/Softeningimage.jpg

[KN]

An appropriate image is in order:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b188/twinskies/Softeningimage.jpg

The Democratic presidential hopeful said last week the US could "totally obliterate" Iran if it attacked Israel.

You know, if I was Israeli, I'd be insulted by the insinuation that Israel needs ANY help in obliterating whatever they see fit.

[Thefremen]

You know, if I was Israeli, I'd be insulted by the insinuation that Israel needs ANY help in obliterating whatever they see fit.

They have nukes. Now maybe they aren't as fancy as ours, I'm pretty sure they don't play MP3s or have cpus capable of getting 100fps on crysis, but they would get the job done.

[Demontestament]

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/world/2008/05/01/india.baby.toss.cnn

This is seriously one of the craziest things I have ever seen

[nightwng2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24388578/

I got a headache trying to read through this and piece it together.

There's claims the leader had sexual relations with the kids.

The leader says no, but he did have consentual sex with other adult members, members who were married to others.

The article doesn't say the kids were examined for sexual abuse.

And the article doesn't come straight out and say it, but it appears the religion doesn't follow the "sex with kids" belief.

There have been no charges yet.

And the accusations that sent authorities in bear directly with sexual misconduct with children.

Anybody else thinks this guy looks like kris kristofferson?

[KN]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24388578/

I got a headache trying to read through this and piece it together.

There's claims the leader had sexual relations with the kids.

The leader says no, but he did have consentual sex with other adult members, members who were married to others.

The article doesn't say the kids were examined for sexual abuse.

And the article doesn't come straight out and say it, but it appears the religion doesn't follow the "sex with kids" belief.

There have been no charges yet.

And the accusations that sent authorities in bear directly with sexual misconduct with children.

Anybody else thinks this guy looks like kris kristofferson?

It's still cool that this was done. I have this feeling a lot of people have watched Jesus Camp now and they want to get kids out of there. Even if they must under the pretense of sexual abuse.

[Demontestament]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24388578/

I got a headache trying to read through this and piece it together.

There's claims the leader had sexual relations with the kids.

The leader says no, but he did have consentual sex with other adult members, members who were married to others.

The article doesn't say the kids were examined for sexual abuse.

And the article doesn't come straight out and say it, but it appears the religion doesn't follow the "sex with kids" belief.

There have been no charges yet.

And the accusations that sent authorities in bear directly with sexual misconduct with children.

Anybody else thinks this guy looks like kris kristofferson?

I share the same headache as you and don't get where the idea of sexual abuse on the kids would come from.

As for the Kris Kristofferson look he does almost look like a spitting image it is scary.

[nightwng2000]

It's still cool that this was done. I have this feeling a lot of people have watched Jesus Camp now and they want to get kids out of there. Even if they must under the pretense of sexual abuse.

After seeing that story awhile back about the guy who edited videos to be more "kid friendly" and was arrested for child molestation, one would think more people would try to use such arguments to storm into Fred Phelp's group and grab kids out of there. After all, everyone knows those who yell the loudest about "protecting the children" are mostly to be... caught with their hands in the cookie jar.

Really, there have been a lot of these situations over the past few decades. People screaming about porn are usually getting together to watch it in a basement (remember the Porky's series?). And whoul could forget Michael "I really LOVE kids" Jackson.

Of course there's also the extreme paniced "OMG! Disney is staffed by homosexuals! Save the kids!".

Humans, I love 'em... with chili, mustard, and onions on a whole wheat hot dog bun.

[beemoh]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=563109&in_page_id=1879

Daily Mail, true to form again:

Ninten-Don't... How I watched my children turn into monsters the minute I bought them a computer game

As my eight-year-old son Gabriel hit his five-year-old sister Honey on the head, ten-year-old Phoebe started yelling and the youngest, three-year- old Lucien, joined in the fun, a red mist descended over my vision.

It was eight in the morning. No one had eaten breakfast. The curtains had not been opened. The beds had not been made. The dog had not been walked. Our habitual regime of a ten-minute morning music practice had been abandoned.

The entire mood was one of anger, confrontation, pain and frustration.

Welcome to a family of Nintendo-users. Or should I say user, since we had only one of these infernal devices.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=563109&in_page_id=1879

Daily Mail, true to form again:

I think my IQ just dropped about 50 points.

[beemoh]

On which note, attempted to post this to the comments, but for some reason it's not having it:

Woah, woah- you're saying that children can be argumentative and stroppy? Well, hold the front page.

The fault here is not of Nintendo, videogames, or anything other than Mrs. Millard's failure to teach her children properly in the field of responsible use of their new DS.

I, like many, have been playing games as my main source of entertainment from a similar age and this has not stopped me enjoying an active social life, earning a degree and holding down a career.

Luddites like this- and whoever was behind that poorly researched anti-Grand Theft Auto diatribe masquerading as news in yesterday's paper who seek to blame videogames for all the world's problems rather than take responsibilty for their own actions are the real reason the world is in such a state, not to mention why young people feel so disconnected from politics and the news media.

Mrs. Millard should be ashamed for blaming anybody other than herself in this piece, and the Daily Mail more so for publishing it.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

On which note, attempted to post this to the comments, but for some reason it's not having it:

You do they're censored, right?

[beemoh]

You do they're censored, right?

Yep. But it's worth a go.

[Twin-Skies]

If anything, this inicident just speaks poorly of her control over the kids.

I sent in my two cents too:


Madam, me, my younger brother and sister had a similar problem like that when we first got our PlayStation, PlayStation 2, and Dreamcast.

Guess what? We did have the fighting, and long hours of inactivity just staring at a screen, oblivious everything around us. At least for the first week

Then we organized our activities better by setting time limits, planning outings, and agreeing to buy games with two-player vs/co-op.

We got along better after this arrangement, and while we're still very much gamers, I hear we're remarkably close for siblings. Any bad arguments we have are ususually resolved in a day or so - no violence needed.

While I'm sorry to hear about your family - and your apparent technophobia - I'd imagine that stricter guidelines would have prevented that little hell you just narrated.

And please, it's called a DS. Calling it a Nintendo again and again is just endorsing he company name. The gadget has a name. Use it properly.


@Beemoh

When did you send your comment? From my experience, it usually takes the editors a couple of hours before they post the message.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/localelections2008/1919672/Local-elections-2008-Labour-hammered.html

Gordon Brown has led Labour to a calamitous showing in his first electoral test as Prime Minister, with the party on course for its worst election results in a generation.

If the Tories get London, I am seriously thinking about immigrating somewhere.

[Twin-Skies]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/localelections2008/1919672/Local-elections-2008-Labour-hammered.html



If the Tories get London, I am seriously thinking about immigrating somewhere.

You're always welcome to our part of the world :)

Just be careful - the local Commies are bat-s**t insane. Even compared to you.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1920005/Austria-Fritzl's-dungeon-child-'likely-to-die'.html

One of the children held captive by Josef Fritzl in Austria’s “house of horror” is likely to die, doctors revealed today.

Please, death by Shotgun for the bastard.

[MUTANT SPUD]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=563109&in_page_id=1879

Daily Mail, true to form again:Four kids need a DS each, then they could all sit around and cyber bully each other on Pictochat and Animal Crossing, serves her right for being a cheapskate, even if she had bought a PS2 she could have got em Buzz and Singstar and left them to their own devices while she went and read a nice parenting book or saved Tibet or some other self righteous pastime.

[tex13579]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=563109&in_page_id=1879

Daily Mail, true to form again:

Goodness. That was probably the dumbest thing I have ever read.

You have 4 very young children, and you get 1 DS that you expect them to share and cooperate and plan their play time like mature adults? I would fully expect them to fight amongst themselves, because they do not have the maturity or mental ability to share, or even think about someone else's feelings.

As the parent she is supposed to teach her children these things. The only reason the DS didn't work is because she didn't take the time to make it work by setting the schedule and the trade off routine.

The very reason she bought it was flawed. She did just like a typical, ignorant parent and bought a video game system to be a babysitter for her children.

Hand over the Nintendo and without any effort, you have a window of about two hours of peace, with your child doing something quietly constructive.

Ummmmmm, right. Or you could teach your children to respect you and bring THEM a book to read on the train so you can write a letter or whatever.

A final nuance, if she were a parent worth anything, she would severely punish her children for rummaging through her room or her "bag" to find something she had taken away, especially if they tried to hide it in their room.

Its parents like this that spread lies about videogames in general.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1920005/Austria-Fritzl's-dungeon-child-'likely-to-die'.html



Please, death by Shotgun for the bastard.

I read a CNN(?) article that used about 6 or more psychiatrists to try to "analyze" the guy. They'd never met the guy, let alone done an actual evaluation of him directly, yet they seemed to make all sorts of wild claims as to why he did what he did.

Twits.

Speculation and theory are wonderful sensationalistic methods to get a bit of public attention. But it doesn't actually provide any factual insight into why he or anyone else would do this sort of thing.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I read a CNN(?) article that used about 6 or more psychiatrists to try to "analyze" the guy. They'd never met the guy, let alone done an actual evaluation of him directly, yet they seemed to make all sorts of wild claims as to why he did what he did.

Twits.

Speculation and theory are wonderful sensationalistic methods to get a bit of public attention. But it doesn't actually provide any factual insight into why he or anyone else would do this sort of thing.

No, my point is that he locked up family members for a long time, and as a result one of them is likely to die.

[Twin-Skies]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1920005/Austria-Fritzl's-dungeon-child-'likely-to-die'.html



Please, death by Shotgun for the bastard.

What I'm wondering is why the hell wasn't this prick was not jailed - or even shot - for his previous criminal acts. :mad:

[beemoh]

@Beemoh

When did you send your comment? From my experience, it usually takes the editors a couple of hours before they post the message.

It's not that- I just got stuck in a loop at the CAPTCHA stage, going round and round and never getting confirmation of it sending.

[beemoh]

Goodness. That was probably the dumbest thing I have ever read.

You have 4 very young children, and you get 1 DS that you expect them to share and cooperate and plan their play time like mature adults? I would fully expect them to fight amongst themselves, because they do not have the maturity or mental ability to share, or even think about someone else's feelings.

This. The reason there's never arguments about her daughter's cello is because only her daughter wants it. The real solution is a DS each! Or more sensibly, a console in the front room where everyone can play simultaneously, or at least watch.

[Twin-Skies]

I find it strange that she keeps using Nintendo instead of DS...

Could this be some sort of subtle marketing attempt?

[tex13579]

And a Wii would have worked great, but now that she has obviously been scarred by any nintendo (ninten-don't, very clever >.>) product she will never get one.

[KN]

I find it strange that she keeps using Nintendo instead of DS...

Could this be some sort of subtle marketing attempt?

It's an old person thing. Video games as a whole were once refered to as "Nintendo", and then "Playstation" or mispronunciations of it. It was never Sony because they're a wholesome company that makes things other than those devil machines, I suppose. I guess it's Nintendo again now.

[nightwng2000]

No, my point is that he locked up family members for a long time, and as a result one of them is likely to die.

I know. I was just making a side comment on the case.

[beemoh]

It was never Sony because they're a wholesome company that makes things other than those devil machines, I suppose.

Probably more to do with the branding- if you look through Nintendo's console history, the word Nintendo has been the more constant word- you have the NINTENDO entertainment system, super NINTENDO entertainment system, NINTENDO 64, NINTENDO gamecube and NINTENDO wii. The same was true of Sega, all their consoles having different names.

Sony's consoles, however, have all been called "PlayStation", and they are the only "pure" Sony products (IE: not Sony-Ericcson phones) that aren't advertised with the "like.no.other" slogan, letting it stand as a brand on its own.

You know, because any of you actually care.

[beemoh]

I posted up my comment on the earlier Mail article in their forums. The responses make for very interesting reading.

http://chat.dailymail.co.uk/dailymail/threadnonInd.jsp?forum=376&thread=9892272

[Kincyr]

And a Wii would have worked great, but now that she has obviously been scarred by any nintendo (ninten-don't, very clever >.>) product she will never get one.
she got "Ninten-don't" from an old Sega Genesis ad.

[Thefremen]

I read a CNN(?) article that used about 6 or more psychiatrists to try to "analyze" the guy. They'd never met the guy, let alone done an actual evaluation of him directly, yet they seemed to make all sorts of wild claims as to why he did what he did.

Twits.

Speculation and theory are wonderful sensationalistic methods to get a bit of public attention. But it doesn't actually provide any factual insight into why he or anyone else would do this sort of thing.

I can't wait to hear why his rapes were null and void, or why he shouldn't face charges for treating his child so poorly.

[MUTANT SPUD]

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/international/news/20080502p2g00m0in015000c.html
Experts contend Fritzl may have been a criminal genius who simply outsmarted neighbors and police.This article is pretty interesting, it discusses the culture of privacy in Austria as a partial explanation for Fritzl being able to stay under the radar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7377344.stmShe said Mr Fritzl "was a despot, I hated him". She said he "always belittled" his wife Rosemarie, who has told police she knew nothing about the captives in the windowless cellar. Heres Friztl's sister in law and former lodger discussing the case. This whole scenario reminds me of the case of Cameron and Janice Hooker. the U.S couple who kept a woman as a sex slave for seven years
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/sex_slave/index.html Very interesting reading, I'm fascinated by the psycholgical aspects of these stories.

[Hannah]

http://mdn.mainichi.jp/international/news/20080502p2g00m0in015000c.html
This article is pretty interesting, it discusses the culture of privacy in Austria as a partial explanation for Fritzl being able to stay under the radar.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7377344.stm Heres Friztl's sister in law and former lodger discussing the case. This whole scenario reminds me of the case of Cameron and Janice Hooker. the U.S couple who kept a woman as a sex slave for seven years
http://www.crimelibrary.com/criminal_mind/psychology/sex_slave/index.html Very interesting reading, I'm fascinated by the psycholgical aspects of these stories.

Oooh, a Crimelibrary story that I haven't read yet... I need to fix that. I've already read the vast majority of that site.

I do find it scary that Fritzl was able to continue the charade for so long, but it doesn't really surprise me. I don't even know the names of the people living below me or in any of the houses nearby... they could have hundreds of sex slaves, and I doubt I'd even notice!

We all like to think that we're aware of the world around us and would catch such people, but I think most of us are far too wrapped up in our own concerns.

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7381065.stm

In which a comedian attempts to defend Amy Winehouse by overthinking Snoop Dogg.

[KN]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7381065.stm

In which a comedian attempts to defend Amy Winehouse by overthinking Snoop Dogg.

O come on, Snoop is a good artist. What the hell.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

O come on, Snoop is a good artist. What the hell.

What. The. ****?

[KN]

What. The. ****?

He makes me laugh. I'm pretty sure this is his intent somehow.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

He makes me laugh. I'm pretty sure this is his intent somehow.

Yes, yes it must be. God forbid he tries singing.