Presidential candidates talk video game violence

[ZippyDSMlee]

Health care? Taxes? Immigration? Why do presidential candidates insist on wasting our time talking about such trivial issues? When will they address the questions we really care about -- the ones about video games? Well, actually, right now.

Non-partisan, not-for-profit advocacy group Common Sense Media has quizzed some of the leading presidential candidates on a variety of media issues, video game violence legislation among them. Here's a quick summary of their views on proposed federal legislation limiting children's access to violent games:

* Senator John Edwards (D - NC): The ESRB and retailers are doing a pretty good job, but the FTC found that 42 percent of children under 17 can still purchase M-rated games, and that's too high. Publishers need to tone down the marketing of violent games to kids. If the industry isn't careful, the government "will need to consider further steps" to keep these games away from children
* Senator Barack Obama (D - IL): Video games should use technology to let parents restrict content [Note to Obama: they already do.] The rating system should be improved to make content information "easier to find and easier to understand. ... but if the industry fails to act, then my administration would." In any case, the government should spend money to study the problem.
* Governor Bill Richardson (D - NM): "I would consider this legislation," but it's really up to the parents. I'll give federal employees paid time off to spend with their kids.
* Fmr. Governor Mitt Romney (R - Mass.): I would enforce current obscenity laws to protect children from "a societal cesspool of filth, pornography, violence, sex, and perversion." I would "go after" retailers that sell violent games.

While the responses are interesting, the lack of participation from front-runners like Hillary Clinton, Rudy Guliani and Mike Huckabee makes the information a little less than complete just weeks away from the Iowa caucuses. Still, the full questionnaire has illuminated the candidates' thoughts on other game-related issues such as childhood obesity, screen time, media literacy and the media's impact on the candidates' own kids. Be an informed voter and give it a read.

http://www.joystiq.com/2007/12/13/presidential-candidates-talk-video-game-violence/
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the more they speak the less I want to hear them. >>

[Pominator]

If I was old enough to vote, and I lived in America, I would so vote for Barrack, at least his head is screwed on securely, and as long as someone informs him that the 360 already contains a parental guidance setting, allowing profiles to be locked in certain games and also a timer to prevent overuse, then we should be alright, as for the other consoles?

Well PS3 users can elaborate on what measures their console has taken to ensure violent material isn't shown or used by children, and the Wii... well just about the only adult game I know of on the Wii is manhunt 2, and if I wanted to play Manhunt 2 I would get it on the 360 where it can be properly appreciated in it's full high def gory glory!

Oh, and the PC?

my PC is in my room so my videogame access is relatively unrestricted, but when I was younger the PC which I had then was kept downstairs so that my parent's may monitor what games I was playing and what sites I was on.

So I would definitely say BO is best candidate with the modern world in mind

[KN]

It's just something Barack doesn't know yet. It's not like he would deny it exists if he was shown that it does. Unlike certain other people.

[Pominator]

exactly, and I am sure that if he was shown that such measures were available then the games would no longer be in the blame game because it is recognised that it is the parent's freaking fault for not turning a limiter on

yeah, still Barrack FTW

[ZippyDSMlee]

If I was old enough to vote, and I lived in America, I would so vote for Barrack, at least his head is screwed on securely, and as long as someone informs him that the 360 already contains a parental guidance setting, allowing profiles to be locked in certain games and also a timer to prevent overuse, then we should be alright, as for the other consoles?

Well PS3 users can elaborate on what measures their console has taken to ensure violent material isn't shown or used by children, and the Wii... well just about the only adult game I know of on the Wii is manhunt 2, and if I wanted to play Manhunt 2 I would get it on the 360 where it can be properly appreciated in it's full high def gory glory!

Oh, and the PC?

my PC is in my room so my videogame access is relatively unrestricted, but when I was younger the PC which I had then was kept downstairs so that my parent's may monitor what games I was playing and what sites I was on.

So I would definitely say BO is best candidate with the modern world in mind

BO is not so bad Edwards tends to make waffles and Hillery is one >>
I like Ron Paul and Huckabee in the reaper camp but Ron will never win because he is not a neo con and Huckabee...well.... I like BO more >>

I dun want waffles or steel toed neo cons thank you >>

[TheWhistler]

I wonder how munch money mainstream media has to shell out in order for candidates to hardly even suggest cracking down on Hollywood, or better yet the crooked news.

And what the deal with the term "Adult Games". The last time I checked when somebody says adult magazines or adult movies, they most likely mean from Playboy on up. Video games must be one of the very few forms - perhaps the only for - of entertainment that can be considered adult without having any nudity whatsoever.

[KingPenguin]

That's a good point. Parents might assume that mature and adult video games are actually X-rated rather than just blood and gore. Is it correct that no video games have been published as AO in the US so far? I know GTA: San Andreas got upped to Adults Only, then fixed and brought back, but I think that's it.

[ZippyDSMlee]

That's a good point. Parents might assume that mature and adult video games are actually X-rated rather than just blood and gore. Is it correct that no video games have been published as AO in the US so far? I know GTA: San Andreas got upped to Adults Only, then fixed and brought back, but I think that's it.
let's mark all the "unrated" DVDs adult only and see how they like the shore on the pother foot...but ya a few AO titles have been reelased.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AO-rated_products

not a lot of mainstream titles maybe 3 or 4 at the most, mainly due to the ban on AO game approval by the console makers.

[KN]

BO is not so bad Edwards tends to make waffles and Hillery is one >>
I like Ron Paul and Huckabee in the reaper camp but Ron will never win because he is not a neo con and Huckabee...well.... I like BO more >>

I dun want waffles or steel toed neo cons thank you >>

If you value everything you love, you will not vote for Ron Paul.

At best he will unite congress in it's absolute and sheer determination to prevent him from ruining the country forever. At worst the events of Mad Max come to pass, with slightly less spandex.

[ZippyDSMlee]

If you value everything you love, you will not vote for Ron Paul.

At best he will unite congress in it's absolute and sheer determination to prevent him from ruining the country forever. At worst the events of Mad Max come to pass, with slightly less spandex.

I'd worry about it if the country was not already ruined forever, Bush and co kinda finished clitons good DP with a dirty sancanz, Hillery has gone from mindless Dim to waffler maker, huckabee wouldn't be so bad but like Edwards is focused on all the wrong things the bible and the poor do not feed and cloth the poor and the goverment the middle dose and it needs dire protection and more programs to get adults/teens more education at a cheaper rate.

Obama is starting to shine more and more I really am starting to think Hillery and Edwards can go feed pandering waffles to the poor and use blankets to snatch away the unsuspecting.

[Pominator]

and what is up with Romney anyway, I mean the rest of them seem borderline sane but Romney seems planted in the Larouche camp

[BlackIce, British Commie]

and what is up with Romney anyway, I mean the rest of them seem borderline sane but Romney seems planted in the Larouche camp

He's a Mormon. They're all mentally ****ed.

[KN]

and what is up with Romney anyway, I mean the rest of them seem borderline sane but Romney seems planted in the Larouche camp

Magic underwear

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Magic underwear

Only a Dutchman could come up with that..

[KN]

Only a Dutchman could come up with that..

Alas, it is a mormon invention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment)

[ZippyDSMlee]

Only a Dutchman could come up with that..

So moron are dutch...that explains everything really.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Alas, it is a mormon invention (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment)

Yes, but you made it funny.

[Pominator]

Only on gamepolitics could information by presidential candidates suddenly turn into a discussion about church garments...

[KN]

Regarding teh video gaems....


Someone must go inform Sir Obama that consoles have parental controls, and thus, the "legislation" part of his plan is not needed.


He kinda needs the votes people. Plz?

[Pominator]

yeah, I guess that would be a good idea, well if people start working on letters in my thread "words for those who matter (a letter)" which is in the videogame legislation part of this forum then we could see some genuine progress here, I have already included his name in the cc'd people in my soon to exist email.

[H3G]

Ok, if you vote Hilary you can say goodbye to all video games but Mario.
Obama, I'm not voting for because he is for abortion and same sex marriage.
Romeny - Watch the movie "September Dawn" and I guarantee you, you wouldn't vote for a mormon president. (or read the book "Mountain Meadows Massacre")
McCain- He's not a "strong" republican, so I don't know about him.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Ok, if you vote Hilary you can say goodbye to all video games but Mario.
Obama, I'm not voting for because he is for abortion and same sex marriage.
Romeny - Watch the movie "September Dawn" and I guarantee you, you wouldn't vote for a mormon president. (or read the book "Mountain Meadows Massacre")
McCain- He's not a "strong" republican, so I don't know about him.

Obama: has the futerest to fall thus the lesser of evils thus the only one to vote for.

Hilary: is a status quo snake oil sales man looking to further her political career on the backs of the populace.

Romeny:Multi faced black booted neo con.

McCain:waffleing black booted neo con.

If abortion is not personal right and gays are not human then by god we should ban media to protect the masses from heathen thoughts!

I urge any conservatives who want to talk about the issues to post here
http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?t=3801

or PM me, I am not looking for a fight or to be disrespectful but for the reason as to "why" and just a hardy discussion of the issues.

[Conejo]

Obama, I'm not voting for because he is for abortion and same sex marriage.

there is a statement i wish to make regarding this, but it would most certainly be against forum policy.

the clean version: why are you against equal civil liberties for all citizens?

[KN]

there is a statement i wish to make regarding this, but it would most certainly be against forum policy.

the clean version: why are you against equal civil liberties for all citizens?

I guess we're supposed to be happy and open to all ideas, but in this case, we can make an exception because he doesn't want us to be (I derive this from his beliefs)

[H3G]

So you guys think a prostitue should be able to go have meaningless sex with whoever, get pregnant, then kill the baby and suffer no consequences for her action? Also, take a look at all the politicians who are against video games. They're all democrats! Hilary mainly. Arnold S. (who claims to be republican, but is married to the biggest democrat in the world.) I don't have time to make an entire list, but you get my drift. As for same sex marriage, God made man and woman, not man and man, or woman and woman.

[ZippyDSMlee]

So you guys think a prostitue should be able to go have meaningless sex with whoever, get pregnant, then kill the baby and suffer no consequences for her action? Also, take a look at all the politicians who are against video games. They're all democrats! Hilary mainly. Arnold S. (who claims to be republican, but is married to the biggest democrat in the world.) I don't have time to make an entire list, but you get my drift. As for same sex marriage, God made man and woman, not man and man, or woman and woman.

reply here.
http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=66924#post66924

[SlyFox]

So you guys think a prostitue should be able to go have meaningless sex with whoever, get pregnant, then kill the baby and suffer no consequences for her action? Also, take a look at all the politicians who are against video games. They're all democrats! Hilary mainly. Arnold S. (who claims to be republican, but is married to the biggest democrat in the world.) I don't have time to make an entire list, but you get my drift. As for same sex marriage, God made man and woman, not man and man, or woman and woman.

Oh noes! Democrats!
I'm agreeing with Conejo about that. God also gave us free will which with to make our own decisions, did he not? You just keep on pretending that we give a damn about your bold-texted opinion and we'll just continue not caring.

[KN]

So you guys think a prostitue should be able to go have meaningless sex with whoever, get pregnant, then kill the baby and suffer no consequences for her action? Also, take a look at all the politicians who are against video games. They're all democrats! Hilary mainly. Arnold S. (who claims to be republican, but is married to the biggest democrat in the world.) I don't have time to make an entire list, but you get my drift. As for same sex marriage, God made man and woman, not man and man, or woman and woman.

I'm from the godless heathen land of the Netherlands.

How angry does this make you?

[H3G]

Oh noes! Democrats!
I'm agreeing with Conejo about that. God also gave us free will which with to make our own decisions, did he not? You just keep on pretending that we give a damn about your bold-texted opinion and we'll just continue not caring.


I've always used bold because it makes the text easier to read on a light grey background, and apparently you know nothing of God's free will to man. I mean, you're right in that God gave you free will to sin, and you'll pay for it someday. It's not my job to punish people who sin, just try to stop them from sinning.

[KN]

It's like Gene Ray and Pat Robertson had a lovechild

[SlyFox]

I've always used bold because it makes the text easier to read on a light grey background, and apparently you know nothing of God's free will to man. I mean, you're right in that God gave you free will to sin, and you'll pay for it someday. It's not my job to punish people who sin, just try to stop them from sinning.

In before "Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve".
You wouldn't believe that I'm also Christian, would you. Not that it matters. Have you ever thought that perhaps you assume too much about God's will? What do you think of my ex girlfriend being Pagan? Do you think God will judge me poorly because I chose to follow the free-willed heart that he gave me? If so, then you definitely assume too much, as you cannot possible know what he thinks.

Now let's get back on topic, ok?

[H3G]

It's like Gene Ray and Pat Robertson had a lovechild


what the heck? O well, I don't want to start an argument on these forums. This forums is for how politics effect gaming, not other plolitical issues. So, I appologize for bringing the subject up, and I hope we can continue to talk about gaming.

[H3G]

You wouldn't believe that I'm also Christian, would you. Not that it matters. Have you ever thought that perhaps you assume too much about God's will? What do you think of my ex girlfriend being Pagan? Do you think God will judge me poorly because I chose to follow the free-willed heart that he gave me? If so, then you definitely assume too much, as you cannot possible know what he thinks.

Now let's get back on topic, ok?

There are many types of Christians. To say you are a Christian isn't much more than saying your American. It just doesn't narrow you down that much.

[KN]

Meltdown impending. Lolsers primed.

[SlyFox]

There are many types of Christians. To say you are a Christian isn't much more than saying your American. It just doesn't narrow you down that much.

Saying, thinking, and doing are three completely different things. However, it is the latter two that most determine who you and what you are ;)

BACK on topic, now (hint, hint). Not sure how I feel about the candidates regarding games. While it's a big thing and of great interest to me, it's still a minor in the grand scheme of things such as the war, public education, immigration, foreign policy, etc. I agree with Zippy and Conejo in that I don't think that abortion and gay marriage should be abolished. On the latter, while I'm Christian and think that it's pretty obvious (judging by physical anatomy if nothing else) that me and women were meant to be together, I also know that love and attraction isn't strictly a male-female thing, and I think the people should be able to to make their own choices as such rather than have the government impose someone else's personal moral beliefs on them. Remember, "country of the free"? Not "country of the free as long as you're living and loving the way we say you should". I also believe that electing a leader who would push their own moral beliefs on citizens would only result in moral advocacy groups looking for the leader's favor and, eventually, trying to catch his/her ear.

[ZippyDSMlee]

what the heck? O well, I don't want to start an argument on these forums. This forums is for how politics effect gaming, not other plolitical issues. So, I appologize for bringing the subject up, and I hope we can continue to talk about gaming.

KN is being silly,if you see a post thats trolling or stretching things to far ignore it.

I on the other see everyone has their own way of things I can could care less if you truly believe or not people disagree all the time its nothing new to human society..zippy has figured out how to to troll on the issues either people want to talk about them or don't .

I thank you for stating what you think, and encoruse you to post more, ignore the trolls and try and enjoy yourself and try not to take things to sireously (uhg my speller is broken...).
There are many types of Christians. To say you are a Christian isn't much more than saying your American. It just doesn't narrow you down that much.

I believe he said you assume to much, but ya know...humans always do.
Its easy to fall into a back and forth over it and forget the issues at hand.
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KN...behave you godless bastard ^_~

[ZippyDSMlee]

Saying, thinking, and doing are three completely different things. However, it is the latter two that most determine who you and what you are ;)

BACK on topic, now (hint, hint). Not sure how I feel about the candidates regarding games. While it's a big thing and of great interest to me, it's still a minor in the grand scheme of things such as the war, public education, immigration, foreign policy, etc. I agree with Zippy and Conejo in that I don't think that abortion and gay marriage should be abolished. On the latter, while I'm Christian and think that it's pretty obvious (judging by physical anatomy if nothing else) that me and women were meant to be together, I also know that love and attraction isn't strictly a male-female thing, and I think the people should be able to to make their own choices as such rather than have the government impose someone else's personal moral beliefs on them. Remember, "country of the free"? Not "country of the free as long as you're living and loving the way we say you should". I also believe that electing a leader who would push their own moral beliefs on citizens would only result in moral advocacy groups looking for the leader's favor and, eventually, trying to catch his/her ear.

We should have a mod sweep the OT posts to my thread.

[SlyFox]

We should have a mod sweep the OT posts to my thread.

Yes, I agree. Your topic alwasy seem to attract OTs. I blame you. Badd Zippy! Kidding, mate:p

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yes, I agree. Your topic alwasy seem to attract OTs. I blame you. Badd Zippy! Kidding, mate:p

Zippy hath TPTDs,trollish posting transmitted disease
:P
ZOMG!
I is halping!
:P

[KN]

Yes, I agree. Your topic alwasy seem to attract OTs. I blame you. Badd Zippy! Kidding, mate:p

Operating Thetans often have gobs of money. Zippy should start using this power for profit.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Operating Thetans often have gobs of money. Zippy should start using this power for profit.

I might be insulted if I could comprehend what you just said!
:P

[SlyFox]

I might be insulted if I could comprehend what you just said!
:P

Some crack about Scientology.
Pool closed due to Thetans.

[Pominator]

Stupidity, politicians and cults, the staple of the gamepolitics forums!

also the reason I hate the human race all of a sudden...

[H3G]

I edited this post so it no longer exists, because I realized what an idiot I made of myself when i posted it.

[KN]

Look at the story on the front page of GP.

A questions was asked about Internet neutrality, which is a rediculous idea, to all the Presidential cadidates.

GP exact quote:
"Those strongly in favor of Net neutrality: Clinton, Obama
Those opposed: McCain, Paul
“Maybe”: Huckabee
Ducked question: Romney"

As i said before. Democrats want to take all of our rights!

What colour is the sky in your world? :S

[H3G]

What colour is the sky in your world? :S

That was a complete miss understanding. Act like that post never happened. Although I know it did, just act like it didn't.

[KN]

That was a complete miss understanding. Act like that post never happened. Although I know it did, just act like it didn't.

This.

This is a good post :3

*hug*

[ZippyDSMlee]

This.

This is a good post :3

*hug*

Ifuu trying to be nice...uuu doings it wrong >>

[Pominator]

when can we talk about videogames making us kill people again?

[ZippyDSMlee]

when can we talk about videogames making us kill people again?

thats OT to ^^

[Pominator]

oooOooo

OT?

like that cult belonging to a dead author?

what did they say about videogames making us take pushblades to college?

*hides pushblade*

[ZippyDSMlee]

oooOooo

OT?

like that cult belonging to a dead author?

what did they say about videogames making us take pushblades to college?

*hides pushblade*

wait.....vidja games is in the title/topic...oy...I've only been up since 8 and I still not awake 0-o

[Pominator]

WAKE UP ZIPPY!

Im going out now so I will see you later, to discuss what videogame is telling you to murder Lyndon Larouche...

[ZippyDSMlee]

WAKE UP ZIPPY!

Im going out now so I will see you later, to discuss what videogame is telling you to murder Lyndon Larouche...
Jericho and Bioshock are telling me to kill lazy devs.

[KN]

Jericho and Bioshock are telling me to kill lazy devs.

You're playing Bioshock wrong it's supposed to make you kill Randroids

[ZippyDSMlee]

You're playing Bioshock wrong it's supposed to make you kill Randroids

nope the game is so poorly built it makes mew want to harm devs.

Its a game that should be a A class title but between the port and the direction the game was built in its a C++ class game.

[ConstantNeophyte]

nope the game is so poorly built it makes mew want to harm devs.

Its a game that should be a A class title but between the port and the direction the game was built in its a C++ class game.

Wasn't made for PC users :p

[ZippyDSMlee]

Wasn't made for PC users :p

Or old FPS'ers/Gamers :P

is a gun and run like any other,or as yazthze puts it a gunwank.

[ConstantNeophyte]

Or old FPS'ers/Gamers :P

is a gun and run like any other,or as yazthze puts it a gunwank.

All I'm saying is the only people who seem to have issues with it are PC people. I did think the game was slightly disapointing compared to the hype (but then Mass Effect came out and put it in perspective) but other than that it was a good game.

[ZippyDSMlee]

All I'm saying is the only people who seem to have issues with it are PC people. I did think the game was slightly disapointing compared to the hype (but then Mass Effect came out and put it in perspective) but other than that it was a good game.

it still above average yes, however I don't forgive or forget when they skimp on stuff BS could have been a great game with alil more put into it..

[ConstantNeophyte]

it still above average yes, however I don't forgive or forget when they skimp on stuff BS could have been a great game with alil more put into it..

Yeah I'm with you there.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yeah I'm with you there.

"is it still above average, yes."

grammar...is no has me 0-o

anyway BS feels like ti was 6-15 months from being finished.
wish the greedy bastard pubs would let the devs make a mini exspantion and sale it for 19.99, all it would do is polish up the gamepaly and level designs as well as squash any bugs left in the engine, and for hot titles that burn themselfs out due to issues and such like BS and others its a good way to to sale new copies and the console version would just be sold whole for 40-49 in a box and/or through live as a big update for 10-20$.

I would be happy to spend more if I can get a complete game and not a unfinished project.....

[ConstantNeophyte]

...I would be happy to spend more if I can get a complete game and not a unfinished project.....

Your the reason we get half-done games. The Pub's see people like you, think:

"Rarther than wait for those lazy Dev's to finish that extra content we'll just publish the game like this then charge another $20.00 for the rest of the content/fixes to the crippling bugs we didn't let the Dev's iron out".

/rant :D

[ZippyDSMlee]

Your the reason we get half-done games. The Pub's see people like you, think:

"Rarther than wait for those lazy Dev's to finish that extra content we'll just publish the game like this then charge another $20.00 for the rest of the content/fixes to the crippling bugs we didn't let the Dev's iron out".

/rant :D

I also wait 3-6 months and buy a game at half price after its be found to be BS and they need to purge the stock :P

I don;t willing buy poorly made games and I am pissed BS suckered me in.

[ConstantNeophyte]

I also wait 3-6 months and buy a game at half price after its be found to be BS and they need to purge the stock :P

I don;t willing buy poorly made games and I am pissed BS suckered me in.

That's fair enough. I just wish they'd take another month and polish the game a bit more. Most gamers are understanding and would rather wait another month than have a buggy heap of **** game.

[ZippyDSMlee]

That's fair enough. I just wish they'd take another month and polish the game a bit more. Most gamers are understanding and would rather wait another month than have a buggy heap of **** game.

You do realize pubs will not wait for a finished product thats the main reason why we get "buggy heap of **** game", I am willing to find a middle ground so that a project is not "closed" or shelfed once its launched and frankly its that or pirating all non good/great games.

I think they would rather keep the project going and sale the remaining non critical "additions" as a mini expansion.

[Pominator]

of course one would have to point out that they were merely testing the waters with what could be done by introducing a proper morality system to a first person shooter game, however in Bioshock it was woefully underdeveloped and did not deserve the BAFTA that it got, for the best game of 2007 I say halo 3, the most cinematic and involving game of 2007 I say Kane and Lynch: Dead men and for the most involving RPG of 2007 I say Mass Effect!

A good win for the 360 on my part!

of course there is also splinter cell etc which keeps the stealthy awesomeness up as well

I cannot stand Snake or Raiden, Sam Fisher on the other hand is a VERY involving character, I reckon that is what sets him apart from the cardboard cut-out heroes of MGS, not saying MGS can't be a good game at times, I just reckon that they should have never made an MGS 2, 3 or even thought of a 4th! MGS1 was where it was at!

[ZippyDSMlee]

of course one would have to point out that they were merely testing the waters with what could be done by introducing a proper morality system to a first person shooter game, however in Bioshock it was woefully underdeveloped and did not deserve the BAFTA that it got, for the best game of 2007 I say halo 3, the most cinematic and involving game of 2007 I say Kane and Lynch: Dead men and for the most involving RPG of 2007 I say Mass Effect!

A good win for the 360 on my part!

of course there is also splinter cell etc which keeps the stealthy awesomeness up as well

I cannot stand Snake or Raiden, Sam Fisher on the other hand is a VERY involving character, I reckon that is what sets him apart from the cardboard cut-out heroes of MGS, not saying MGS can't be a good game at times, I just reckon that they should have never made an MGS 2, 3 or even thought of a 4th! MGS1 was where it was at!

If it was not the worst out of the 3 SP wise I would agree....

Halo is the star wars of FPS's......

[Pominator]

hmm is that good or bad?

because Bungie haven't released a set of 3 crappy backstory games yet which detail the battles of harvest and the deep space crystal race... and hopefully they wont, that epicness was only epic in books.

so Halo being the star wars of FPS games could be seen as good or bad, what context ded you mean it in?

speak carefully now, I have my zippykillertron3000 primed and ready

[ZippyDSMlee]

hmm is that good or bad?

because Bungie haven't released a set of 3 crappy backstory games yet which detail the battles of harvest and the deep space crystal race... and hopefully they wont, that epicness was only epic in books.

so Halo being the star wars of FPS games could be seen as good or bad, what context ded you mean it in?

speak carefully now, I have my zippykillertron3000 primed and ready

Something good enough that made a cult following that has not been updated well over time, the same can be said for Halo SP.
Its a bit more polished than H2 in gameplay(which was a slight downgrade from H1 but for the dual wield gimmick) but its mostly look at me shiny than a well developed FPS, but who cares its halo it will sale.

[Pominator]

For single player:
1>3>2 Halo 1 had the best SP of its time, but the entire series was very involving and intriguing

For multiplayer:
3>2>1 Halo on xbox live is the best thing since the interwebs!

Oh and since this is the PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES thread, I would like to point out that Mitt Romney is out of the running because he is a videogame hating mormon with funny fashion choices in his cult church

[ezacharyk]

Oh and since this is the PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES thread, I would like to point out that Mitt Romney is out of the running because he is a videogame hating mormon with funny fashion choices in his cult church

Excuse me Mister Discriminator. Would you kindly explain yourself. Some people don't like to have their church bashed like that. :mad:

[ZippyDSMlee]

Excuse me Mister Discriminator. Would you kindly explain yourself. Some people don't like to have their church bashed like that. :mad:
And if he was called a video game hating Christian?

And he is a Mormon(nothing wrong with that,its just a fact)

Dun forget Christianity is broken into many sects.

That is true since the most difficult decisions that most people make are "paper or plastic".

Man of the year is a good movie for stating, “As long as the process moves forward the people will not care.”

oy........

[ezacharyk]

I am not getting on to him for stating he is a mormon, but that the mormons are cultists and the vaguely veiled insult to someo of our practices.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I am not getting on to him for stating he is a mormon, but that the mormons are cultists and the vaguely veiled insult to someo of our practices.

"cult church" I believe this a hit on how religion can be cultish.

edit
And its a hit on all religion..for me Mit is more ken doll than drolling fundie....well a ken doll that wears them big biz black boots.....

[KN]

I am not getting on to him for stating he is a mormon, but that the mormons are cultists and the vaguely veiled insult to someo of our practices.

Mormonism = Proto-Scientology

[ZippyDSMlee]

Mormonism = Proto-Scientology

KN=Protoman

:P

[KN]

KN=Protoman

:P

Fire bad

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[ZippyDSMlee]

Fire bad

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Mmm I was thinking more the intelligent ape man from planet of the apes that went back in time to do things "better" but wound up spawned the human race none the less.

But that will do too :P

[ezacharyk]

Mormonism = Proto-Scientology

Please Explain.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Please Explain.

Do not feed the troll......:rolleyes:

[KN]

Please Explain.

It is simple:

Joseph Smith:

When Joseph and Emma arrived in Harmony, they stayed temporarily in the home of Emma's father Isaac Hale, while Hale set them up in a home on an adjoining thirteen-acre property a few hundred yards from the Susquehanna River. (Porter 1971, pp. 132–34). Skeptical that Smith had found golden plates, Hale asked to see them, but was only allowed to lift the glass box in which Smith said they were kept. (Howe 1834, p. 264). Nevertheless, Hale refused to allow the plates in his home if he could not see them, so the glass box was hidden in the woods nearby, where the plates are said to have remained during much of the translation process that followed (Howe 1834, p. 264); (Jesee 1976, p. 3).

After a short stay in the Hale home, Joseph and Emma arranged to live in a house moved onto the Hale property (Mather 1880, p. 201). Emma said that for at least part of the time, Joseph kept the plates in this house on a table, wrapped in a linen tablecloth (Smith 1879). Beginning in December 1827, Smith began transcribing the characters he said were engraved on the plates, and dictating what he said was a translation of some of them (Roberts 1902, p. 19). While transcribing, he reportedly sat behind a curtain and looked at the plates through the Urim and Thummim, passing the written transcriptions to Emma, who was sitting on the other side of the curtain (Howe 1834, pp. 270–271). Eventually, after some transcription, he began to dictate what he said was a translation of the plates to Emma or her brother Reuben. (Smith 1879). To translate, he reportedly "put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkened his Eyes than [sic] he would take a sentance [sic] and it would apper [sic] in Brite [sic] Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it." (Jessee 1976, p. 4). Reportedly, Smith did not need the physical presence of the plates to create the translation (Stevenson 1882; Howe 1834, pp. 264–65), and the plates remained in the nearby woods (Howe 1834, p. 264); (Jesee 1976, p. 3) during the translation.

Martin Harris came to assist with the translation in February 1828 (Roberts 1902, p. 19). Around this time, Smith reportedly confided to Emma's uncle that he had doubts about whether or not he should translate the plates, because despite the commandment from God, "he was afraid of the people" (Howe 1834, p. 266). Thus, when Harris arrived, he reportedly had to convince Smith to continue translating, saying, "I have not come down here for nothing, and we will go on with it" (Booth 1831a).

Smith then sent Harris to several well-known scholars[1] to see if they could translate or authenticate some of the transcribed characters (Jessee 1976, p. 3), but Harris was unable to get any of the scholars' help or backing (Howe 1834, pp. 270–272). After visiting his home in Palmyra, Harris then returned to Harmony in the middle of April 1828 and began acting as Smith's scribe while Smith dictated what he later would call the Book of Lehi (Smith 1830b, p. 1). Harris reported that for at least part of Smith's early translation, Smith used his seer stone to translate, rather than the Urim and Thummim, because the stone was more convenient (Stevenson 1882, p. 86). Smith also at least sometimes made use of a curtain (Cole 1831); Harris stated that one time during the translation, Smith raised a curtain between him and Harris, because "the presence of the Lord was so great", or sometimes Smith dictated to Harris from upstairs or from a different room (Howe 1834, p. 14).

Magic golden plates! Angels! Seer Stones!

L Ron Hubbard:

Scientologists believe that seventy-five million years ago, Xenu was the ruler of a Galactic Confederacy which consisted of 26 stars and 76 planets including Earth, which was then known as Teegeeack. The planets were overpopulated, each having an average population of 178 billion.[1][2][3] The Galactic Confederacy's civilization was comparable to our own, with aliens "walking around in clothes which looked very remarkably like the clothes they wear this very minute" and using cars, trains and boats looking exactly the same as those "circa 1950, 1960" on Earth. Xenu was about to be deposed from power, so he devised a plot to eliminate the excess population from his dominions. With the assistance of "renegades", he defeated the populace and the "Loyal Officers", a force for good that was opposed to Xenu. Then, with the assistance of psychiatrists, he summoned billions[1] of his citizens together to paralyze them with injections of alcohol and glycol, under the pretense that they were being called for "income tax inspections". The kidnapped populace was loaded into spacecraft for transport to the site of extermination, the planet of Teegeeack (Earth). The spacecraft were identical to the Douglas DC-8 with the exception of having different engines.

Space planes! Xenu! Glycol!

Hubbard wrote OT III in late 1966 and early 1967 in North Africa while on his way to Las Palmas to join the Enchanter, the first vessel of his private Scientology fleet (the "Sea Org").[18] (OT III says "In December 1967 I knew someone had to take the plunge", but the material was publicised well before this.) He emphasized later that OT III was his own personal discovery.

Critics of Scientology have suggested that other factors may have been at work. In a letter of the time to his wife Mary Sue,[19] Hubbard said that, in order to assist his research, he was drinking alcohol and taking stimulants and depressants ("I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys"). His assistant at the time, Virginia Downsborough, said that he "was existing almost totally on a diet of drugs." [20] Miller (p290) speculates that it was important for Hubbard to be found in a debilitated condition, so as to present OT III as "a research accomplishment of immense magnitude".

Wooaaaah


I'm being nice. I'm specifically not mentioning the crazy god children bull**** and whatever because I don't even know if anyone in your church believes that (wouldn't surprise me). That would make it perfectly lol though.

[Tim the Slipperman]

My views on the prospective presidential candidates:

Hillary Clinton - I don't trust her. Even though having read about her 'Family Entertainment Protection Act' or whatever its called, about all that plan claims to do is to make the ESRB policy of 'No M/AO games to minors w/o onsite parental consent' into law. I haven't read about it calling for any game bans, or anything extreme that Jack Thompson or Mitt Romney would want to do.

Barack Obama - A lot more likeable than Clinton IMHO, and a lot of the promises he makes sound good, although like some of the other folks here I don't approve of his supportive stance on same-sex marriage and abortion. (Then again, most Democrats share that stance, and Republicans haven't really done very much in regards to those issues...) Also, am I the only one here who's bothered that Obama's middle name happens to be Hussein of all things?

John McCain - He would have made a good president 8 years ago. However he wants our troops to remain in Iraq (haven't we done enough there already?) which will continue to waste more of our country's money and lives, keep gas prices on the rise, and other people in the world will continue to be disappointed in America for it. I doubt a Republican will win the presidency this time around anyway, since Bush Jr. screwed things up so badly over the past 5 years and most of the GOP noms have planned on continuing his work.

Mitt Romney - Never liked this guy, not only does he hate videogames and technology in general but he also wants to keep the war going in Iraq. He's WAY too conservative for my tastes, I'd think he'd almost be a Hitler re-incarnate :eek: Hope his campaign remains out of commission.

As for my view on possible video-game legislation as touched on by politicians: I have no problem with keeping the more adult video games out of the hands of impressionable young children, just as long as it doesn't stifle the freedom of creativity on behalf of the game publishers. I think we have a bigger problem with a lot of the gangsta-rap music playing on Top 40 radio these days where every other lyric glorifies doing drugs and murdering people in detail, and every 5th word is a cussword. This sort of rap music gets crammed down our throats whether it be by radio or TV, whereas you can only be influenced by video games if you buy the game or know someone who owns it. So it shouldn't be fair to call for any actual bans on violent video games, at least not without pulling every 50 Cent/Chamillionaire/Soulja Boy/etc. CD from store shelves and airwaves first. Also I think the ESRB is doing a decent job with its rating system, and should continue to do so as long as we don't have another 'Hot Coffee' slip-up. In the end we should leave it to the parents to see whether their kids are mature enough to play certain video games, and that store clerks should also do their job of keeping the ESRB policies valid so we wouldn't be in this mess with all the Mitt Romneys and Jack Thompsons of the world trying to destroy the game industry and devalue the gaming community.

Just my two cents.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)

[ZippyDSMlee]

My views on the prospective presidential candidates:

Hillary Clinton - I don't trust her. Even though having read about her 'Family Entertainment Protection Act' or whatever its called, about all that plan claims to do is to make the ESRB policy of 'No M/AO games to minors w/o onsite parental consent' into law. I haven't read about it calling for any game bans, or anything extreme that Jack Thompson or Mitt Romney would want to do.

Barack Obama - A lot more likeable than Clinton IMHO, and a lot of the promises he makes sound good, although like some of the other folks here I don't approve of his supportive stance on same-sex marriage and abortion. (Then again, most Democrats share that stance, and Republicans haven't really done very much in regards to those issues...) Also, am I the only one here who's bothered that Obama's middle name happens to be Hussein of all things?

John McCain - He would have made a good president 8 years ago. However he wants our troops to remain in Iraq (haven't we done enough there already?) which will continue to waste more of our country's money and lives, keep gas prices on the rise, and other people in the world will continue to be disappointed in America for it. I doubt a Republican will win the presidency this time around anyway, since Bush Jr. screwed things up so badly over the past 5 years and most of the GOP noms have planned on continuing his work.

Mitt Romney - Never liked this guy, not only does he hate videogames and technology in general but he also wants to keep the war going in Iraq. He's WAY too conservative for my tastes, I'd think he'd almost be a Hitler re-incarnate :eek: Hope his campaign remains out of commission.

As for my view on possible video-game legislation as touched on by politicians: I have no problem with keeping the more adult video games out of the hands of impressionable young children, just as long as it doesn't stifle the freedom of creativity on behalf of the game publishers. I think we have a bigger problem with a lot of the gangsta-rap music playing on Top 40 radio these days where every other lyric glorifies doing drugs and murdering people in detail, and every 5th word is a cussword. This sort of rap music gets crammed down our throats whether it be by radio or TV, whereas you can only be influenced by video games if you buy the game or know someone who owns it. So it shouldn't be fair to call for any actual bans on violent video games, at least not without pulling every 50 Cent/Chamillionaire/Soulja Boy/etc. CD from store shelves and airwaves first. Also I think the ESRB is doing a decent job with its rating system, and should continue to do so as long as we don't have another 'Hot Coffee' slip-up. In the end we should leave it to the parents to see whether their kids are mature enough to play certain video games, and that store clerks should also do their job of keeping the ESRB policies valid so we wouldn't be in this mess with all the Mitt Romneys and Jack Thompsons of the world trying to destroy the game industry and devalue the gaming community.

Just my two cents.

Tim (aka the Slipperman)

I do not believe in censorship in any form it belittles the public and makes them more sheeple and more thinned skinned, 70% the time radio music is edited,TV is pretty well edited to lets not forget the NC17 DVDs walmart sales as "unrated" the music and film industry has been given a free ride because it has imposed its will and money on issues.

The scapegoat of media woes is video games because they really have no one else to pick on it's only nature for shortsighted humans to pick on video games,its new it was a kids medium 10ish years ago its the prefect scape goat to pander and parade issues on.


Gay marrige is a civil lib/legal,since some church's WILL marry them its no longer a solely religious issue, and last I checked any church can turn away any couple for any reason.

Back to laws to sales...... this is not such a bad idea it will crate a chilling effect but it should not last long as long as it covers all media, and from what I have seen on music....theme and words are "lesser" than film and visual so most rap and metal would be PG13 as would be most "spicy" books, have any ideas on how you would like a system would rate media?

I have some ideas I might toss them into the marriage stealer's/baby eaters thread (http://forums.theeca.com/showthread.php?p=67349&posted=1#post67349).

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I do not believe in censorship in any form.

Then why the **** do you support Ron Paul?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Then why the **** do you support Ron Paul?

Because without dealing with the core of the monetary and financial system in the US the US is dead no one else wants to touch their money maker and no one makes money off it like the polis and their masters.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Because without dealing with the core of the monetary and financial system in the US the US is dead no one else wants to touch their money maker and no one makes money off it like the polis and their masters.

But.. But that's the key to making the PRC and India Superpowers! That benifits the rest of the world!

[ZippyDSMlee]

But.. But that's the key to making the PRC and India Superpowers! That benifits the rest of the world!

meh they'll just blow themselfs up and come to candnda to make quickimarts...that is if the most of the US population has not left by then to seek jobs else where.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

meh they'll just blow themselfs up and come to candnda to make quickimarts...that is if the most of the US population has not left by then to seek jobs else where.

You do realise that Qwik-E-Mart only exists in The Simpsons, yes? I think.. If it's real, i've shot myself in the foot..

[ZippyDSMlee]

You do realise that Qwik-E-Mart only exists in The Simpsons, yes? I think.. If it's real, i've shot myself in the foot..

They are real ,and there are at least 7 in a in 40min drive from here, mostly tobacco stores with sodas and beers but you get the point.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

They are real ,and there are at least 7 in a in 40min drive from here, mostly tobacco stores with sodas and beers but you get the point.

Oh.. bollocks..

[ZippyDSMlee]

Oh.. bollocks..

Same thing for cabbies in new york :P

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Same thing for cabbies in new york :P

Shut up.. Methinks I shall go to the hospital tonight..

[ZippyDSMlee]

Shut up.. Methinks I shall go to the hospital tonight..

LOL
Its not as bad as the phone tech support people that might know English but pronounce it as badly as I type.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

LOL
Its not as bad as the phone tech support people that might know English but pronounce it as badly as I type.

No, it is as bad.

[Pelor]

It is simple:

Joseph Smith:

Magic golden plates! Angels! Seer Stones!

L Ron Hubbard:

Space planes! Xenu! Glycol!

Wooaaaah
I'm being nice. I'm specifically not mentioning the crazy god children bull**** and whatever because I don't even know if anyone in your church believes that (wouldn't surprise me). That would make it perfectly lol though.
Magic plates and angels are hardly related to space planes and Xenu. If you are going to make those kinds of logical leaps, you should also say Wuthering Heights is proto-Star Wars.

[Thefremen]

Barack Obama - A lot more likeable than Clinton IMHO, and a lot of the promises he makes sound good, although like some of the other folks here I don't approve of his supportive stance on same-sex marriage and abortion. (Then again, most Democrats share that stance, and Republicans haven't really done very much in regards to those issues...) Also, am I the only one here who's bothered that Obama's middle name happens to be Hussein of all things?

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/thefremen/notfascismwhenwedoit.jpg

Pelor made an alt, huh?

[KN]

Magic plates and angels are hardly related to space planes and Xenu. If you are going to make those kinds of logical leaps, you should also say Wuthering Heights is proto-Star Wars.

You see, it is

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/thefremen/notfascismwhenwedoit.jpg

Pelor made an alt, huh?

Best. Photobukkit. Evar.

[hans moleman]

My views on the prospective presidential candidates:

Barack Obama - A lot more likeable than Clinton IMHO, and a lot of the promises he makes sound good, although like some of the other folks here I don't approve of his supportive stance on same-sex marriage and abortion. (Then again, most Democrats share that stance, and Republicans haven't really done very much in regards to those issues...) Also, am I the only one here who's bothered that Obama's middle name happens to be Hussein of all things?

Tim (aka the Slipperman)

Um, no, no i am not bothered by a man with one of the most common names in the mid-east in his name.

Would you dislike a guy named Bob just because another Bob ran over your dog? I think not.

http://i178.photobucket.com/albums/w267/thefremen/notfascismwhenwedoit.jpg


Pure. Unadulterated. Awesomeness.

[H3G]

I'm pretty sure this thread has gone completely off topic. This specific thread is supposed to be about what candidates beliefs are on video games, not same-sex marriage and all that other stuff. That's for a different thread. So back on topic, I think without a doubt we can all agree that Hilary Clinton is no doubt the worst candidate for video games sake. She has had more campaigns and legislations against them than any other politician I know. (Jack Thompson is not a politician, he's an attorney.)

[KN]

I'm pretty sure this thread has gone completely off topic. This specific thread is supposed to be about what candidates beliefs are on video games, not same-sex marriage and all that other stuff. That's for a different thread. So back on topic, I think without a doubt we can all agree that Hilary Clinton is no doubt the worst candidate for video games sake. She has had more campaigns and legislations against them than any other politician I know. (Jack Thompson is not a politician, he's an attorney.)

Lol backpedal.


Anyone basing their vote on the video game issue is a ****ing moron. If you can vote, it's not an issue that affects you at all. If you are interested in it, lobby for it later. That will do more than refusing to give your vote to someone who doesn't clearly support you on that issue.

And Hillary Clinton is a horrible woman.

[H3G]

Lol backpedal.


Anyone basing their vote on the video game issue is a ****ing moron. If you can vote, it's not an issue that affects you at all. If you are interested in it, lobby for it later. That will do more than refusing to give your vote to someone who doesn't clearly support you on that issue.

And Hillary Clinton is a horrible woman.


I didn't say "base your vote on it", i simply was saying that what this thread is for discussing. Also, it's also true that the presidents don't actually have that specific job of passing video game regulations. That's more of your state's Governor job. I don't know.....

[ConstantNeophyte]

...I think without a doubt we can all agree that Hilary Clinton is no doubt the worst candidate for video games sake...

What about Mitt "Cesspool of filth" Romney. He's not exactley open-minded either.

[KN]

What about Mitt "Cesspool of filth" Romney. He's not exactley open-minded either.

Even though Romney is a terrible human being who should be shot, I'm not sure he even knows what a video game is.

[Pominator]

of course he does

they are the terrible things that are corrupting the nations youth, turning all children (because only kids play games remember) into deranged psychopathic murderers

and in the off topic I HAVE been told by the psychiatrist that I am sometimes prone to mild psychosis, but that is completely irrelevant... right?

[beemoh]

Anyone basing their vote on the video game issue is a ****ing moron.

I disagree.

Well, ish.

Just going ZOMG TEH GAYMEZ0RZ is perhaps a little bit too much, but it's not unreasonable to take any candidate's stance on the videogame issue as representative of their view of censorship as a whole- Romney, for instance, included film and TV in his "Cesspool Of Filth", and I'm sure if Hillary's headline-grabbing comments about censoring- sorry, "protecting children from"- games come to fruition, she might have a pop at "protecting children from" films and television, too.

Equally, any candidate that is pushing this agenda- even if they don't intend to follow it through- perhaps has the vote of the 40yo+ soccermom demographic more in mind and may appear out of touch to the younger (late 20s, early 30s) generation(s), which is where the majority of the gamers are.

It's not as simple as "If you can vote, it's not an issue that affects you at all."

[Pominator]

I think that it needs to be viewed on a different scale however, you gotta understand that games are recognised as actual speech, literature and art now, censoring that is a violation of your first amendment, meaning that their actions go against what the founding fathers of the United States wanted, therefore someone like Clinton or Romney are attacking something which they are trying to represent, not a good thing to do in my book.

Then again my book is currently
"without remorse" by Tom Clancy

[ZippyDSMlee]

Even though Romney is a terrible human being who should be shot, I'm not sure he even knows what a video game is.

Give him time,he just "discovered" black people awhile back....
LOL


But anyway I see Hillary as a tax and send dim flip flopping on regulating anything to get consumer prices down be it meds,entertainment, insurance or credit.
In the end shes a career poli looking out for self, Obama by comparasion is a lot more white...er....clean.... LOL

BTW Macain and Hillery are interchangeable only swap out the rising taxes for lowering them for the top 20% and being a reaper bobble head(yes man).