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Yukimura
11-26-2007, 04:55 PM
Allright, I'll preface this to make sure that I don't get in trouble.

This thread is specificly about the dmca and if changes should be made to it or added to it. It is not an endorsement of piracy in any form nor a direct attack against the Mpaa or Riaa specificly.

That being said, the DMCA is the most anti consumer law in exsistance and must be repelled or seriously changed. While I can understand the desire to protect IP's, the DMCA goes far far beyond this ideal, instead criminalizing honest people who wish to test or modify technology they personally own. While I'm not a big supporter of Piracy, I do belive that once you have bought a product, you have the right, at the cost of voiding out your warranty, to moddify it as you wish. Its not any different from buying a computer and then adding parts or making upgrades, your simply moddifing an exsisting piece of hardware, which you purchased, to improve it. If you can mod a computer to do things it couldn't do before, why should you not be allowed to do so with an xbox that you payed your hard earned money for.

I myself have using a swap disc/Slide tool combination at home before, because, as a fan of many animated series from japan, I wish to play the games based on them, but many of them never see release over here or are several nutered or altered when they finally do get translated. I legally payed for the games I play on my modded system, I do not pirate games, and any game i've ever played a bootleg off I either threw away or purchased if I liked it. Does that make me a criminal, I dont think so, but the DMCA, as it currently written, might have made it illegal, even though I payed for the games I wanted and disposed of any boot legs I did not wish to own.

There in lies the big issue. Back in the early PC days, it was easy to find demos for almost any game you wanted. And if you liked it, you could by it, no biggie. Now adays, only the biggest names get demos, and then it's rare that you can get them if you live outside that particular games current region encoding.

That brings me to another MAJOR issue I have. Region locking. The only reason I HAVE EVER needed a device to bypass security on a console I owned was to play games that were made OUTSIDE my country. For example, those who know me, know I'm a massive Naruto fan, and some of the best fighting games based on that series never saw release in america. Now, had my console not been region locked, hey, that would have been no biggie, just import but NO! Cause the major manufactures chose to region lock there primary consoles, by which I mean the PS2, The xbox, the 360, although I've heard it's actually region free, there just no japan games you'd want to play, and the WII are all region locked, To play an import game I would HAVE to buy a device to break that region lockout.

it is this that is to blame for the rampant spread of Piracy, the console manufactures own doing. It was importing that first led to the creation of devices to bypass region lockout, which in turn led to piracy when some people found they could play games for free if they modded there system. I never cared about playing games free, I'm a big time industry supporter, but the industry saw fit to make it hard for me to play games I wanted cause they were in a different country.

Anyway, my rant is over. I say, we repeal the whole DMCA, and replace it with something that actually deals with piracy, instead of making consumers criminals for wanted to play legally purchased movies and games on a system they BOUGHT! Anyone else got a better idea, i'm all ears.

Jabrwock
11-26-2007, 05:18 PM
Both region encoding, and stuff like un-skippable commercials are why I break encryption on my DVDs. They are an artificial restriction on how I use media I've legally purchased, under the fraudulent guise of "protecting copyright".

kurisu7885
11-26-2007, 07:01 PM
I would at least like to see the end of lockouts that prevents playing foreign made games from being played, preventing your from backing up your games with say a DVD burner, or prevents home brew games and applications from being used.

I know I would wet myself if anyone ever wrote a DS application that could tap into Winamp's Shoutcast service using WiFi.

electronicmaji
11-26-2007, 08:40 PM
I would at least like to see the end of lockouts that prevents playing foreign made games from being played, preventing your from backing up your games with say a DVD burner, or prevents home brew games and applications from being used.

I know I would wet myself if anyone ever wrote a DS application that could tap into Winamp's Shoutcast service using WiFi.

It was done last year...

kurisu7885
11-27-2007, 12:00 AM
It was done last year...

What was?

10char

LordLundar
08-05-2008, 01:29 PM
What was?

10char

Game region coding. All the new consoles (Wii, PS3, 360) can play their native games irregardless of region. Movies are still region coded because it's out of reach of console makers.

ZippyDSMlee
08-05-2008, 06:08 PM
PS3 locks out euro releases its not fully region free as US and JP will work but in euro land JP and eu will only work, its crossed regoinalized.

360/wii can be region free by the game but the mentalities of the industry being like they are it will be used more than it needs to.


Even if they are not home brew still makes the case that modding is beyond the realm of mono bandits!

LordLundar
08-18-2008, 06:28 PM
PS3 locks out euro releases its not fully region free as US and JP will work but in euro land JP and eu will only work, its crossed regoinalized.

That's TV coding as opposed to region coding. The PAL/NTSC issue again.

ZippyDSMlee
08-18-2008, 09:18 PM
That's TV coding as opposed to region coding. The PAL/NTSC issue again.

they still region lock games to a region like the 360 dose, while not 100% its still randomish right, r is that a misconception?

LordLundar
08-18-2008, 10:31 PM
It's just that that is a restriction that was made by TV manufacturers as opposed to console manufacturers. If the TV standard was consistent across the globe, then the games would work all over as well.

ZippyDSMlee
08-18-2008, 10:58 PM
It's just that that is a restriction that was made by TV manufacturers as opposed to console manufacturers. If the TV standard was consistent across the globe, then the games would work all over as well.

bah the PS2 has boot loaders to load DVDs and run stuff on either pal or not, they could have easily added alil extra to the pal hardware to run different standards under a comparability mode, its that simple in most cases but the companies would rather give an excuse for homebrew to fill in the gaps they are unwilling to touch......

ezacharyk
10-29-2008, 04:06 PM
EFF has posted a PDF with a recap of some of the headaches and downright wrong things that have happened since the passing of the DMCA:

http://www.eff.org/files/DMCAUnintended10.pdf

Some things to look out for:

Andrew Huang who authored a book about Xbox Security flaws. Couldn't get it published for a long time due to DMCA concerns.

Luigi Auriemma and his run in with GameSpy.

Tecmo and game mods

Sony sueing to block PC emulators that allow gamers to play the actual disk for PS1 games on their PC. It also lists them attacking modchip makers.

Blizzard stopping developers of an alternative to Battle.net and the glider program.