View Full Version : Why do people carry guns?
beemoh
11-13-2007, 06:13 AM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6937537.stm
Because there's a "get rich quick" mentality typified by drug dealers, and the news media perpetuate regional stereotypes. But let's blame games in the first image's caption anyway!
steelcobra
11-13-2007, 09:14 AM
They also make the claim that lack of self-esteem is a cause of violence, even though it's been proven that those with extremely high self-esteem, especially narcissistic people, are more likely to commit violent crimes.
kurisu7885
11-13-2007, 10:11 AM
They also make the claim that lack of self-esteem is a cause of violence, even though it's been proven that those with extremely high self-esteem, especially narcissistic people, are more likely to commit violent crimes.O.O Should that give us all reason to worry, since we know of a proven narcissist?
beemoh
11-13-2007, 10:31 AM
O.O Should that give us all reason to worry, since we know of a proven narcissist?
Don't worry, I'm not going to go flying off on a killing spree anytime soon.
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Oh, him? NM.
kurisu7885
11-13-2007, 10:56 AM
Don't worry, I'm not going to go flying off on a killing spree anytime soon.
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Oh, him? NM.
I ain't worried about anyone here as, well, we have ways of getting out frustration, we don't let it build up. Well, most of us don't.
Brokenscope
11-13-2007, 04:40 PM
because I don't want to wait for the police when someone is trying to stab me in the parking garage.
because I don't want to wait for the police when someone is trying to stab me in the parking garage.
If a dam breaks, do you give everyone mops or do you fix the problem?
kurisu7885
11-13-2007, 06:36 PM
Some problems aren't so simple to fix.
Thefremen
11-13-2007, 09:52 PM
Some problems aren't so simple to fix.
Killing people ALWAYS fixes problems. I mean, look at how well that's gone for Al Quida! Now the US has drastically reduced it's influence over Middle-East politics.
Daniel_B_Nordlund
11-14-2007, 01:44 AM
I just finished my carry and conseal license classes. Mainly got it for self preservation and protection if a situation were to arise and using it is a last resort. There's just been too much crime and gang activity going on in the past 2 months where it's starting to worry me.
Brokenscope
11-14-2007, 05:16 AM
That was a bad analogy.
A law abiding citizen with a gun and a concealed carry permit can PREVENT a crime. In many of those cases, a single shot doesn't need to be fired, most criminals will run, or start begging the moment a weapon is drawn and pointed at them.
In most cases, shooting a fleeing criminal, is a ticket to jail. With the way most state laws are written you have to be careful, the only time you can legally shot someone is if they are currently a significant threat to your continued health.
If guns were illegal, I would carry a knife, and I would know how to use it, I am not the kind of person who hands over my wallet. I am not going to let some asshole come through my front door and threaten my family. I am not going to let someone try to car jack me.
I am also not going to try to take on 4 gun wielding men in a crowded super market, where stray shots could injure someone. I'm not going to pack a hand cannon. I am not going to pull my gun unless I can reasonably expect to actually shoot them before they shoot me. I am not going to pull my gun when some guy starts talking **** in a bar. I am not going to wave my gun at someone who crosses the property line. I am not a polices officer, so I will actually know how to fire my gun accurately. I will carry my gun as accorded by sensibly written laws on the matter. I will not leave my gun lying around, it will go from my holster to a safe.
More than likely I will live in Texas.
Will i ever use my gun, maybe once or twice.
Will I ever actually discharge it with the intent to harm someone, hopefully not.
I will not claim that my way is better, I will only claim that my way works for me. Different cultures different solutions.
And no I don't think the solution to the crime problem is to give every Tom Dick and Harry a handgun.
edit
I find Airsoft to be infuriating. Thier guns are too damn realistic, and they only seem to give people an attitude that guns are toys. Some jackass at a Halloween party I was at was waving one around and shooting people with it. Apparently he was surprised that someone would react badly to being shot in the back three times. I don't think he realizes I will not be replacing his anytime soon.
beemoh
11-14-2007, 05:59 AM
I am not a polices officer, so I will actually know how to fire my gun accurately.
Oh, burn. ;D
steelcobra
11-14-2007, 09:10 AM
If guns were illegal, I would carry a knife, and I would know how to use it, I am not the kind of person who hands over my wallet. I am not going to let some asshole come through my front door and threaten my family. I am not going to let someone try to car jack me.
I carry a knife at all times anyways.
I find Airsoft to be infuriating. Thier guns are too damn realistic, and they only seem to give people an attitude that guns are toys. Some jackass at a Halloween party I was at was waving one around and shooting people with it. Apparently he was surprised that someone would react badly to being shot in the back three times. I don't think he realizes I will not be replacing his anytime soon.
Airsoft in and of itself isn't the problem, it's assholes with airsoft. Assholes also paintball cars, piss off overpasses, and other things that are normally harmless until the location they are done is changed.
kurisu7885
11-14-2007, 10:46 AM
Airsoft in and of itself isn't the problem, it's assholes with airsoft. Assholes also paintball cars, piss off overpasses, and other things that are normally harmless until the location they are done is changed.
The problem isn't the device, it's the idiot who thinks they're hot **** for merely having it.
BlackIce, British Commie
11-14-2007, 12:13 PM
I can fight well enough with bare hands. You Americans would do well to learn how to do that too.
kurisu7885
11-14-2007, 12:36 PM
I can fight well enough with bare hands. You Americans would do well to learn how to do that too.
Plenty of people over here can, but you can't bank on the probability that your assailant isn't armed.
Thefremen
11-14-2007, 12:59 PM
If guns were illegal, I would carry a knife, and I would know how to use it, I am not the kind of person who hands over my wallet. I am not going to let some asshole come through my front door and threaten my family. I am not going to let someone try to car jack me.
So you are hoping to get into a situation in which it will be excuseable to kill another human being? Lovely.
I can fight well enough with bare hands. You Americans would do well to learn how to do that too.
This
Armed robbers are slow-witted idiots. You can get the thing out of their hands before they can say "Giv-"
Pelor
11-14-2007, 01:56 PM
IIf guns were illegal, I would carry a knife, and I would know how to use it, I am not the kind of person who hands over my wallet. I am not going to let some asshole come through my front door and threaten my family. I am not going to let someone try to car jack me.
I can't imagine a knife being a useful self-defense tool. If the other person backs down, fine-- but if they don't, then you're in a knife-fight.
Thefremen
11-14-2007, 02:43 PM
I can't imagine a knife being a useful self-defense tool. If the other person backs down, fine-- but if they don't, then you're in a knife-fight.
Which is why you should bring a gun to a knife fight.
Brokenscope
11-14-2007, 03:45 PM
So you are hoping to get into a situation in which it will be excuseable to kill another human being? Lovely.
Read my ****ing post
"Will I ever use my gun, maybe once or twice.
Will I ever actually discharge it with the intent to harm someone, hopefully not."
Read my ****ing post
"Will I ever use my gun, maybe once or twice.
Will I ever actually discharge it with the intent to harm someone, hopefully not."
Though you seem to want it to happen, because apparently you live in a ghetto.
steelcobra
11-14-2007, 04:17 PM
I can fight well enough with bare hands. You Americans would do well to learn how to do that too.
My hands, feet, knees, and elbows are deadly weapons, but I carry a knife, and in civilian life will carry a gun as well, because a greater lethal range is a far greater force multiplier than sheer strength.
-American Soldier
My hands, feet, knees, and elbows are deadly weapons, but I carry a knife, and in civilian life will carry a gun as well, because a greater lethal range is a far greater force multiplier than sheer strength.
-American Soldier
But I roll 20s.
steelcobra
11-14-2007, 04:38 PM
But I roll 20s.
A level 1 with a poking stick isn't going to do much to a level 20 in plate armor with a natural 20.
Brokenscope
11-14-2007, 05:40 PM
Though you seem to want it to happen, because apparently you live in a ghetto.
Because crime only happens in the ghetto.
Hannah
11-14-2007, 05:48 PM
Because crime only happens in the ghetto.
Some of us prefer to live our lives without worrying about the worst things that could happen ;)
ZippyDSMlee
11-14-2007, 08:36 PM
Because reasonable people can be trusted with them,mobs not so much.
Ban all mobs!
:P
Pelor
11-15-2007, 05:32 AM
If you're on the topic of why people own guns... I just remembered that I had read about a coffee-table book not too long ago:
"Armed America: Portraits of Gun-owners in their homes (http://www.armedamerica.org/)"
and an interview from the author (http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/10/guns-in-america/)
And I can't get over some of these reviews: byWhen guns are covered as in this piece, irregardless of the opening words and music, it's always by a liberal and anti-gun perspective.andThis book is in essence a love letter to the NRA. It attempts to show how gun nuts are "just everyday people next door". Nice middle to upper middle class families who just happen to keep automatic weapons and Grannies with arsenals.So it must be a fair-enough book.
Daniel_B_Nordlund
11-15-2007, 10:34 AM
I can fight well enough with bare hands. You Americans would do well to learn how to do that too.
You bring fists of fury to a gun fight...
Are you selling tickets??
Owning a gun doen't mean you ever intend to use it. Carrying a gun doesn't mean you intend to use it. Being forced by city officals to get your conseal and carry license because you've been seen in an over seas Muai Thai bare knuckle fight and won doesn't mean you intend beat someone to death...
I'd rather carry a knife or a tazer before i'd carry a gun. Both are lethal and can create the same outcome afterwards...a knife, tazer and gun can both be deadly if used wrong. Our cities police officers aren't allowed to carry tazers anymore 4 people have died in a 3 month period because of over abuse of a tazer (deemed by autopsies done and confirmed by city officals) and the city came under fire from the local media...and of course the officers we put on paid admin leave for 3 years...no jail time...weird...if i killed someone I'd be in jail...if not dead by lethal injection but thats another story...
The mind is a deadly weapon...but requires no license to weild it...laws restrict it but still minds create death...
If you're on the topic of why people own guns... I just remembered that I had read about a coffee-table book not too long ago:
"Armed America: Portraits of Gun-owners in their homes (http://www.armedamerica.org/)"
and an interview from the author (http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/09/10/guns-in-america/)
And I can't get over some of these reviews: byandSo it must be a fair-enough book.
That's insanely creepy and worrying.
Listen, it's like this:
I'd prefer it if my psychotic neighbour with a gun wasn't the only thing protecting me from my other psychotic neighbours with a gun.
electronicmaji
11-21-2007, 10:10 PM
There was a report a little while ago about two cities in Illinois about 50 miles away from each other. One made gun ownership illegal and the other made it manditory that each head of family. In the city where it was outlawed crime rates rose something like 400% and in the city where every head of family had one it dropped drastically. I will have to find the article later on and post a link.
Why do most americans own guns? Because its our God given constitutional right to protect ourselves.
steelcobra
11-21-2007, 10:17 PM
Why do most americans own guns? Because its our God given constitutional right to protect ourselves.
Not god-given, but it is our birthright.
Brokenscope
11-21-2007, 10:57 PM
There was a report a little while ago about two cities in Illinois about 50 miles away from each other. One made gun ownership illegal and the other made it manditory that each head of family. In the city where it was outlawed crime rates rose something like 400% and in the city where every head of family had one it dropped drastically. I will have to find the article later on and post a link.
Even as a supporter of gun rights, I always find those claims iffy. I might believe them if I ever saw one with an actual study behind it.
beemoh
11-22-2007, 05:40 AM
There was a report a little while ago about two cities in Illinois about 50 miles away from each other. One made gun ownership illegal and the other made it manditory that each head of family. In the city where it was outlawed crime rates rose something like 400% and in the city where every head of family had one it dropped drastically. I will have to find the article later on and post a link.
Are you sure that wasn't because everyone in the armed city knew the other city was unarmed? ;D
More seriously, I'd like to know how they define "crime"- because if you make more things illegal, then crime is going to auto-rise.
Brokenscope
11-22-2007, 08:01 AM
See thats what they never tell you, thought the rational follows something like this.
Make a poorly enforced law that makes gun ownership mandatory in an area. Criminals are less likely to rob places unless they are sure no one is home, cause criminals typically will not rob a house they know to be defended.
See thats what they never tell you, thought the rational follows something like this.
Make a poorly enforced law that makes gun ownership mandatory in an area. Criminals are less likely to rob places unless they are sure no one is home, cause criminals typically will not rob a house they know to be defended.
Don't burglars usually rob houses when no one is home anyway?
electronicmaji
11-22-2007, 01:58 PM
Don't burglars usually rob houses when no one is home anyway?
Not really. And theres always the offchance that the owner is home...or worse yet...a child.
beemoh
11-22-2007, 02:05 PM
Not really. And theres always the offchance that the owner is home...or worse yet...a child.
"Home Alone" wasn't real, you know... :P
Not really. And theres always the offchance that the owner is home...or worse yet...a child.
That has.. never.. happened.. here.
It would be in the news if it did.
Your place of residence scares me.
kurisu7885
11-22-2007, 10:42 PM
That has.. never.. happened.. here.
It would be in the news if it did.
Your place of residence scares me.
Agreed, I'd be worried too if I lived there, but KN, just because it never happens in your own area doesn't mean it hasn't happened to anyone else.
As for carrying guns, I don't carry one myself, my chain can even suffice for self defense[the clip on the end of my wallet chain HURTS, ask my brother] and in my area I have no need to carry a weapon. We do have two rifles and a shotgun in my home, but we keep them under lock and key and,well, the ammo is at our cabin in northern Michigan, as those weapons are specifically used for sport shooting and nothing else.
We also keep archery gear, my longbow, my dad's compound bow and a crossbow, but it's obvious when a bow is or isn't loaded.
Pelor
11-25-2007, 07:26 PM
That has.. never.. happened.. here.
It would be in the news if it did.
Your place of residence scares me.
When someone makes an apparently outrageous claim, I try to verify it.
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/84479
I speak better broken German than I do broken Dutch, so babelfish helped. The last sentence translates to "Van Rossum was murdered in May 2004 when he tried to overpower a burglar on his camp-site."
When someone makes an apparently outrageous claim, I try to verify it.
http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/84479
I speak better broken German than I do broken Dutch, so babelfish helped. The last sentence translates to "Van Rossum was murdered in May 2004 when he tried to overpower a burglar on his camp-site."
1. Lol using 3.5 year old murders to back up your claim
2. Camp site != civilization. We also don't live in fear of this happening when we go camping.
3. Can you guys honestly say you can report every single murder in the news and end up with a neglectible figure?
4. Nice try. Drink bleach. Love you.
kurisu7885
11-25-2007, 07:39 PM
KN, I luff ya, I think yer awesome, but seriously, you treat guns the way JT treats video games.
Brokenscope
11-25-2007, 07:48 PM
Pure sodium is more fun to drink, well okay eat.
Pelor
11-25-2007, 08:11 PM
1. Lol using 3.5 year old murders to back up your claim
We must be using different definitions of the word "never". This is the definition I'm using:
nev·er
1. not ever; at no time: Such an idea never occurred to me.
2. not at all; absolutely not: never mind; This will never do.
3. to no extent or degree: He was never the wiser for his experience.
Perhaps in Dutch, the word "never" means "in the last three years.
I really don't want to spend a lot of time trying to translating every Dutch news site, so just do us a favor and say that it has... occasionally... happened... here.
2. Camp site != civilization. We also don't live in fear of this happening when we go camping.
Because it has less stuff to steal? Maybe you should -- didn't you hear -- a murder happened at a campsite a mere three years ago [/fear-mongering]
3. Can you guys honestly say you can report every single murder in the news and end up with a neglectible figure?
I'm not sure what you mean when you say "neglectible figure".
4. Nice try. Drink bleach. Love you.
I seem to be immune to bleach... weird, huh?
Thefremen
11-26-2007, 07:25 PM
I just realized the simple and elegant reason why people carry guns: Because if they just dragged them about they'd be apt to fire off on their own!
angeltrexx
12-11-2007, 12:15 PM
well i dont have a gun but i just think that people carry gun for thier self defence if when somebody try to do something bad to them.. well but there are times that when you carry a gun is not that right because you mught get hurt somebody accidentally... well perhaps hurt yourself too.. well there is a decree that about a handling a gun right?well i just hope that Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Edwards. As a former presidential candidate and United States senator, Bill Bradley brings a rare insight and knowledge to the interviewer’s chair. Bradley and Edwards also share an optimistic view of the potential of what this country can accomplish if united under strong and compassionate leadership. Well im kinda in to political issiues right now since the US election is near..oops incase you don’t know Senator Bradley’s interview with John Edwards will air December 10 today at 5:00 am, 7:00 am, 12:00 pm, 2:00 pm, and 11:00 pm. All times ET in Sirius radio (http://www.sirius.com/freeradio) in satellite radio…..
many thanks!
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