Lyndon LaRouche thread #2

[Soldat_Louis]

OK, here is a new thread about LaRouche and his followers. The "LaRouchites vs. video games" circus continues with this article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/30/federal-reserve-promotes-video-games.html), found on LaRouche Political Action Committee's website, as per usual :

Federal Reserve Promotes Video Games

October 30, 2007 (LPAC)--If you're wondering why Federal Reserve Chairman Bernanke is acting like the "Sorcerer's Apprentice," issuing waves of money to solve the banking crisis, he probably went mad playing fantasy video games like "Second Life." Now he wants to be certain that young adults join the him in the insane asylum. The Federal Reserve of Boston issued this press release yesterday:

"BOSTON, Mass. - October 29, 2007 - The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston's Economic Adventure Gallery is hosting an engaging, interactive exhibit on the history of video games this fall. "Video Games Evolve: A Brief History from Spacewar! to MMORPG's" examines the video-game industry's roots, which are firmly planted in New England. The exhibit, which is free, runs though January... In addition to examining the past, the exhibit also offers an enticing look at modern-day games, including Star Wars Galaxies, the Immune Attack educational game, the virtual reality of Second Life, and massive, multi-player online role-playing games (MMORPGs) like World of Warcraft...

"The exhibit is part of the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston's Economic Adventure, an interactive educational designed to teach middle- and high-school students how New England's improved living standards are reliant upon innovation, which leads to advances in productivity."

The release further notes: "The gaming revolution began across the Charles River at MIT, where the first non-commercial interactive video game, Spacewar!, was born in 1962."

So, the "video-game industry's roots, which are firmly planted in New England" ? Well, now I better understand the connection with the British Empire ! :D

[Tollwutig]

OK, here is a new thread about LaRouche and his followers. The "LaRouchites vs. video games" circus continues with this article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/30/federal-reserve-promotes-video-games.html), found on LaRouche Political Action Committee's website, as per usual :



So, the "video-game industry's roots, which are firmly planted in New England" ? Well, now I better understand the connection with the British Empire ! :D

WoW just WoW, and no not World of Warcraft.

[Twin-Skies]

WoW just WoW, and no not World of Warcraft.

I think the EIR article's referring to America's New England region...not the UK. Boston's in New England, right? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England

[Soldat_Louis]

I think the EIR article's referring to America's New England region...not the UK. Boston's in New England, right? :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_England

I know, I know, it was just a bad joke of mine... :o

Back to LaRouche, I never expexted that a thread about him would be so... "popular". But this guy and his followers are so "over the top" as anti-game crusaders...

[Twin-Skies]

Just read though this latest EIR posting...

It's shocking...given that it's the tamest yarn they've written so far. I still don't get how it jumps from Second Life at the start to that point about the PR listing Space Wars.

[bayushisan]

So now there's a connection between the Brits, gaming and the Federal Reserve? Seems a strange connection to draw.

[beemoh]

So now there's a connection between the Brits, gaming and the Federal Reserve? Seems a strange connection to draw.

Damn, he knows!

*"Disappears" Bayu in the night*

[Pelor]

So now there's a connection between the Brits, gaming and the Federal Reserve? Seems a strange connection to draw.
It's a very stupid and simplistic argument, which goes something like this:

There's a British bank, which owns stock in an American bank, which is a subsidiary of a major Bank, which is a member of the Federal Reserve System, which leads us to this article.

Of course, to make this argument, you must ignore organizational structure of the Fed.

[Brokenscope]

Oh God this one is just to precious to pass up

"Most Violent Videogame Ever" (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/01/news-press-lends-mass-advertizing-most-violent-game-ever.html)

The best part has nothing to do with manhunt at all though

Although Manhunt 2 is published out of London, it is banned from being sold in England and Ireland on account of it's violent nature. Meanwhile, many critics of the game, such Jeff Haynes of IGN, a blatant recruiting ground for British subject Rupert Murdoch's fascist youth movement, have given the game lowered ratings, complaining that it is, "somewhat disappointing to see the kills as censored as they are in this game... When you have a character that walks around with a pig's head on and his genitals hanging out on top of the bloody or violent kills, you've got something that is literally ground breaking."

[Soldat_Louis]

Congrats, you've been faster this time. But the whole article is worth reading :


"Most Violent Video Game Ever"

October 31, 2007 (LPAC)--The release this week of the video game Manhunt 2, published by Rockstar London, was prominently reviewed on CBS Evening News last night with other accompanying major publicity, is an escalation to create a mass-based fascist movement as Lyndon LaRouche has warned. Manhunt 2 has the player assume the role of a mad rapist and killer.

Is that Beast-Man Dick Cheney, or his wife, Lynne?

Just like the inhabitants of My Space and Facebook, the player becomes a prisoner in an insane ward. Only in this version of imprisonment, the game character purportedly escapes captivity, while ironically, the player doesn't escape until he or she decides not to play the game and instead rejoins the human race. Yesterday, on CBS Evening News, anchor Katie Couric did some role playing of her own. She played a turned-off reporter, who advertised that this was "the most violent game ever," but when questioned whether such video games can truly make the player violent, Katie just couldn't see how recreations of sneaking up behind a person and hooking their guts out, or suffocating a police officer with a plastic bag and then sticking his head into an electrical socket, could induce real violence.

Manhunt 2 is not a point and shoot video game played with a typical controller. According to the CBS reporter, the game console, Nintendo's Wii, "has motion-sensing controls, and therefore to stab you're going to mimic a stabbing motion, to swing a sledgehammer or a shovel you would do the same." CBS interviewed a few 20-year-old gamers who were taken aback by the level of the game's violence. "This definitely takes the cake as probably the most violent thing I've played" said one player. Thus, CBS is guaranteeing this game to be played by every 18 year old's little brother.

Although Manhunt 2 is published out of London, it is banned from being sold in England and Ireland on account of it's violent nature. Meanwhile, many critics of the game, such Jeff Haynes of IGN, a blatant recruiting ground for British subject Rupert Murdoch's fascist youth movement, have given the game lowered ratings, complaining that it is, "somewhat disappointing to see the kills as censored as they are in this game... When you have a character that walks around with a pig's head on and his genitals hanging out on top of the bloody or violent kills, you've got something that is literally ground breaking."

Note that, according to Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/rockstar/manhunt-2-credits-forget-to-thank-people-who-made-manhunt-2-318044.php), "the game was developed primarily at Rockstar Vienna, with work commencing in 2004 before the studio was closed down in May 2006. From there, development was wound up at Rockstar London". The Wii version is said to be published by Rockstar Toronto.

[Twin-Skies]

Congrats, you've been faster this time. But the whole article is worth reading :



Note that, according to Kotaku (http://kotaku.com/gaming/rockstar/manhunt-2-credits-forget-to-thank-people-who-made-manhunt-2-318044.php), "the game was developed primarily at Rockstar Vienna, with work commencing in 2004 before the studio was closed down in May 2006. From there, development was wound up at Rockstar London". The Wii version is said to be published by Rockstar Toronto.

They're pinning this on Britain and Cheney again?

After reading what Yee, CSM and NAMI had to say about the game, LaRouche's own statements looks even funnier than before.

[Soldat_Louis]

They're pinning this on Britain and Cheney again?

After reading what Yee, CSM and NAMI had to say about the game, LaRouche's own statements looks even funnier than before.

And whereas Yee, CSM and NAMI have some reasons to oppose Manhunt 2 and only Manhunt 2, the LaRouchites take the opportunity to attack video games "per se", and also gaming sites and gamers in the process.

[Soldat_Louis]

Here is another article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/02/british-empire-organizing-fascist-movement-u-s.html), not really game-related, but in the end, they can't help blasting games (emlphasis by me) :


Is the British Empire Organizing a Fascist Movement in the U.S.?

October 31, 2007 (LPAC)--Confirming Lyndon LaRouche's analysis that there has been a resurgence of operations on the campuses around the country led by "Her Ladyship" Lynn Cheney’s campus Gestapo apparatus, the Young Americans for Freedom [1], last Friday, sponsored a racist anti immigration speech at the campus of Michigan State University that nearly caused a riot. The event was part of what David Horowitz called the ‘Islamo-Fascism Awareness Week’, taking place on hundreds of campuses with many speakers from the extreme right wing neo-conservative fascist movement.

There were two speakers at the Michigan State University event, both of which hope to rid the world of the nation state. The first speaker was Nicholas Griffin, the head of England's British National Party, who is known for his racist anti-immigration views and his denial of the Holocaust; he is also the political heir of Britain's notorious WWII era fascist Oswald Mosley. The other speaker was Preston Wiginton, a skinhead, who posts prominently on the white nationalist website, Stormfront, which is frequented by skinheads, neo-nazis, and KKK members. He is the one who has booked Griffin's current campus speaking tour, and he also has ties to David Duke, former Grand Wizard of the Knights of the KKK.

Griffin's speech was billed as an expose on how "multiculturalism, mass immigration, and Islam are destroying Western civilization." During his speech a protest march was organized, and protesters repeatedly interrupted the event with obscenities and chants until Griffin had to abandon his speech for an informal question and answer session. The protesters walked out of the event and pulled a fire alarm to disrupt the speech, but Griffin continued to speak over the alarm.

Nicholas Griffin will be one of the prominent guests and speakers at various events during David Horrowitz's 'Islamo-Fascist Awarness Week'. He's also slated to speak at other universities, including Texas A&M.

Also, it was reported to LaRouche PAC that fascist Daniel Pipes [2], a notorious crusader for the Empire, spoke at both Wayne State University and the University of Michigan Ann Arbor on October 8th. The Wayne state event was sponsored by an actively recruiting pro-Zionist group, Students for Israel, and also experienced significant disruptions by protesters. Pipes, who is a member of the coven advising Rudy Ghouliani on foreign policy issues, is a part of Campus Watch and an active member of “Her Majesty” Lynne Cheney’s Campus Gestapo.

It’s reported that all of these events were organized with the prominent use of MySpace and Facebook, which have become a discussion forum for the students of the Campus Gestapo network. Facebook, run by Peter Thiel [3], a product of the Campus Gestapo networks, is a platform to profile the opposition to the British Empire or what H.G. Wells called ‘The World State’. [4] With the profiles of the opposition to and members of the fascist youth and also with the use of violent video games, the British controlled Campus Gestapo is turning into what Lyndon LaRouche characterized as a ‘mass based fascist movement among young people.’




[1] The Young America for Freedom organization is a breeding ground for a larger fascist youth movement run by the Campus Gestapo networks, which were created by William F. Buckley Jr. and friends. Much of this apparatus was profiled in our 2006 "Is Goebbels on Your Campus?" pamphlet. [pdf] (http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pdfs/LP6376_Train.pdf)

[2] Other creepy speakers of Horowitz’ Halloween week were neo-con witch Ann Coulter, former U.S. Sen. Rick Santorum, and British Empires Michael Ledeen.

[3] Peter Thiel is an avowed follower of Leo Strauss[pdf] (http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pdfs/child_satan_book.pdf). He was part of the federalist society at Stanford and eventually became speech writer for William Bennett, who is the close collaborator of Lynne Cheney in organizing ACTAs campus Gestapo. Peter Thiel, now on the board of Facebook, was the first ‘philanthropic’ investor into the company and is leading the newly created relationship with his philanthropic and pro-fascist friend Bill Gates. Together they are turning Facebook into the most accurate social control networking system on the internet. Peter Thiel was also the creator of the Stanford Review run by William F. Buckley, Jr.s Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI).

[4] British Empire boy, H.G.Wells in “The Shape of Things to Come”, as well as British officer Eric Blair in his 1984, laid the foundations for what they called ‘The World State’, in which the world would see the dissolution of nations by submission to the ‘Priest Hood of Efficiency’ or what today is the philanthropic entrepeneurs of globalization. These ‘Priests of Efficiency’ would use social science to study human interactions and through Eric Blair's ‘thought police’, control the minds of the people, as is done through Facebook and MySpace.

By the way, wasn't Rick Santorum, quoted by this article, a long-time critic of media violence, including video game violence ?

[Tollwutig]

Here is another article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/02/british-empire-organizing-fascist-movement-u-s.html), not really game-related, but in the end, they can't help blasting games (emlphasis by me) :



By the way, wasn't Rick Santorum, quoted by this article, a long-time critic of media violence, including video game violence ?

Wow I actually agree with Larouche on something. Ann Coulter is a witch, and Rick Santorum is creepy.

[Shrike]

After reading the whole American_System Saga, I'm now entertaining fantasies of helping to deprogram the LYMs on campus.

Bah, me and my imagination, seeking non-violent ways to help these poor youngin's from wasting their lives on a group that will die when he does. And after all those hours of pokemon have hard-wired my reflexes to throw my old Burgerking pokeballs at any threats...

Anyway, I'm not certain we should be concerned about the LaRouche PAC getting anywhere.

When was the last time they did anything of political import?
Scientology, at least, had the cunning to try infiltrating the CIA or FBI to get dirt on its detractors. LaRouche's cult was still dealing with raising money and recruiting to pyramid scheme him into a life of luxury at that point.

No matter what they say, LaRouche's cult is focused on supporting LaRouche, offering false hopes and a veneer of purpose to the lost. Always has been, and always will be.

Funny how one of the reviled D&D groups would do so much more for them (Hey, it's $40 for a book, and maybe $20 for miscellaneous supplies before hours of fun!), and is considered evil.


As regarding American_System, I do have a genuine interest in saving him from a fate worse than debt. The problem is he can't be isolated from the other cultists, and so any doubts raised by our radical free-thinking (or, in his view, completely brain-washed/ignorant/British-controlled ways of thinking) are washed over with a fresh set of partial-truths.


Ah, there's a question for him:

If we're ignorant of the truth, why do we seem to have so much more comprehensive information than he does?

Surely, if we are such ignorant and unintellectual people (compared to American_System), we could not counter his claims at all. Is it not the destiny of the intellectual to triumph in this information age?

[Soldat_Louis]

Back to LaRouche : these are old news, but two videogame-related articles written by LYM (LaRoucheYouth Movement) member Delante Bess will be available on November 9 issue of Executive Intelligence Review. You already know them : there were the Halo 3 rant (http://www.larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3444halo3_destroys_us.html) and the Second Life rant (http://www.larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3444brit_sex_toys.html), already linked in the previous thread.

Now, fresh news : not sure it's videogame-related, but latest LaRouche show's theme was about "protecting your Ears" and "getting off Myspace and Facebook before your brain turns to mush". There's no transcript, but you can download the mp3. (http://asx.ljcentral.net/mp3/eir/tls/2007/tls071103_en_hi.mp3)

[Shrike]

Soldat, in my muddle of a mini-rant, I did have a valid question that I'd like you to think on, as you are doing the digging:

Have you seen anything to indicate a cohesive political strategy, or even actual action by the LPAC regarding videogames?

I mean, you keep pulling up all the material (and thanks for doing that, by the way. It's entertaining to read), so you're certainly thinking about this stuff.

When I look at the articles, they all drip stupid in a consistent manner. I don't think that site is for converting people, it's for preaching to the converted, keeping them informed that the LPAC is trying to maintain some appearance of contemporary relevance.

Given what we've been seeing from the ex-LYMs, that seems like a reasonable call to make, much more than expecting that the paranoid conspiracy theorists of the world (who look far deeper for connections by nature) will toe LaRouche's line and join by what they see presented to them by another group. Okay, maybe they will. But CTs are hard to shake from their notions, and while they will discuss and extrapolate far beyond even the realms of Occam's Razor, presenting them with an alternate explanation (especially ones as sketchy as LaRouche's) will be met with resistance.

I don't have the name of the woman, but a survivor of the 2005 London train bombings (Was it carried out by Britain-hating LaRouche loyalists? DundunDUNNNNnnnnoookay, I made that up) tried to tell her side of the story to the CTs, and they initially spoke to her, but when she stopped fitting in to their interpretation of events, they determined she was actually three men from MI-6, even when she went to meet with them in person.

That's why I think the articles you're dragging up aren't really going to show us anything new, or even anything that anyone other than us will pay attention to. The news media (Hey, A_S! MURDOCK! Boogeyboogeyboogey BOO!) won't broadcast information that gives credit to LaRouche, and without information of them buying influence, all they can do is espouse opinions that make sense only to a very small group of people.


So, are they really dangerous to videogames? It seems like they're primarily dangerous in that they'll beat each other up or shove unbelievers IRL.

This isn't Scientology we're dealing with (thank goodness, they're even nastier in how they deal with members), but a fringe political cult that seems so wrapped up in admiring its own ideals and cleverness that it forgets to do things like take action on anything.


Edit:
And American_System: something I just thought of... While we are of very different opinions on videogames, I'd like to extend a friendly hand and ear to you here on the forums. Not in this thread, preferentially... but if you ever start having doubts about where your life is going with LaRouche's group, post something in the off topic forum (or here), and tell us all about it. We'll listen. We're concerned for you, even if you're not a gamer. You can make friends here, and we'll never threaten you with violence if you want to leave.

[Soldat_Louis]

Soldat, in my muddle of a mini-rant, I did have a valid question that I'd like you to think on, as you are doing the digging:

Have you seen anything to indicate a cohesive political strategy, or even actual action by the LPAC regarding videogames?

I mean, you keep pulling up all the material (and thanks for doing that, by the way. It's entertaining to read), so you're certainly thinking about this stuff.

Oh yes, I do. I've been thinking about it since the beginning of 2006, when I got to know their past involvement against "violent video games" (and, in fact, video games as a whole). Unfortunately, the best answer I can give you is : I don't know.

I initially thought there was a cohesive strategy, as they formed in 2000 a "national commission against the new violence" (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/ctte_vs_newviolence.html), and then called in 2002 to an "international ban against violent video games" (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/hzl_banviol_502.html). But their initiatives fell short. They talked, and talked, but there were no concrete actions.

From 2002 to 2006, there was almost nothing about video games in their publications. One or two references, but no more. After Dawson College shooting in Canada, there were no reactions. After Emsdetten shooting in Germany, there was an article in a German LaRouchite newspaper, but no more. However, they woke up in 2007 after Virginia Tech, and in fact, my previous LaRouche thread started with their comments about V-Tech. I must admit I was scared when LaRouchites started to talk during V-Tech review panels. I wondered how it was possible that they managed to make their insanity heard. But then, there was the panel's final report that cleared up video games, so it was a lot of noise for nothing.

This being said, are they dangerous ? That depends of the public and the media's seriousness. In U.S., LaRouche seems to be well-known for who he really is (though they managed to attract Dave Grossman). But outside, it's different. I've recently read a book about killer children and teenagers, and I was surprised to see that the author copy-pasted their theories about video games. He even introduced LaRouche's wife as the "president of German civil rights movement" ! (in fact, she's the founder of the German branch of LaRouche movement and it's called "Civil Rights-Solidarity", but there is nothing in common with a civil rights organization a la Martin Luther King)

Of course, when you know them well, and when you know their full theories about "British Empire", you can hardly take them seriously. But if you take out of their paranoid context what they have to say about "violent video games", and if you spread it to ignorant people and journalists who are too lazy to verify their sources, you can hit a nerve and cause a lot of damage. Remember what happened during the 80's "satanic panic" and the crusade against Dungeons & Dragons (whom LaRouche was an active member).

[Soldat_Louis]

Back to LaRouchePAC news : there are two articles about MySpace and Facebook, the new LaRouchites' arch-devils. This one (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/05/remember-hansel-and-gretel.html), where Bill Gates is mentioned as the owner of Facebook, and this other one. (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/06/concern-voiced-over-growing-myspace-addiction.html)

And now, here is a real videogame-related article. (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/06/suicide-makes-sense-after-playing-halo-3-pathetic-wired-maga.html) More precisely, it's about Halo 3 :

Suicide “Makes Sense” After Playing Halo 3

November 6, 2007 (LPAC)— A commentary article by "Wired" Magazine degenerate Clive Thompson gives clinical evidence to the recent statement of Lyndon H. LaRouche, Jr. that the intended end-game of computer game playing is suicide. In the enraged rant, Thompson says, "I used to find it hard to fully imagine the mindset of a terrorist. That is, until I played Halo 3 online..." The freakish Thompson whines that he "sucks" at Halo 3, since he has a wife and kid and therefore only gets "maybe an hour with Halo on a good day," but, therefore, he has learned to kill superior opponents by charging them while being shot and then throwing a grenade at them at the last moment, to kill "from beyond the grave." "It's not just that I'm willing to sacrifice my life to kill someone else. It's that I'm exploiting the psychology of asymmetrical warfare," Thompson pleads.

"For me," the disgruntled family man continues, "dying will not penalize me in the way it penalizes them, because I have almost no chance of improving my state. I might as well take people down with me." He then compares this cyber world to the real world, where the "have-nots" are willing to kill the "haves," since there's nothing better to do. He concludes, on the subject of suicide, that "something about playing the game gave me an `aha' moment that I'd never had before: an ability to feel, in whatever tiny fashion, the strategic logic and emotional calculus behind the act."

And how many of our American youth are playing these games?

Clive Thompson's full article is available at this address. (http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2007/11/gamesfrontiers_1105) And though the ideas expressed may be controversial, they're very different from LaRouchePAC's interpretation.

[Brokenscope]

I read this this yesterday, and it some thing that made sense a long time ago.

If you can't win, at least take as many of them down with you as possible.

However he is wrong. Asymmetric warfare, such as seen in iraq, currently holds a different tack. A one found in every major asymmetric war since WW2.

1: Democratic country invades and has a near flawless victory, crushes enemy military, and suffers few casualties.

2: Enemy military dissolves into insurgency/resistance. Adopts strategy of avoiding decisive fights, produces a slow steady stream of casualties

3.?????

4: Keep war going for 2+ elections cycles, wait for it to become unpopular, let elections take their course, leader ship changes, democratic country pulls out you win.

5: Profit

Example wars

Algerian war of independence.
Any other post colonial war in Africa.
Eventually Iraq.

Suicide bombings really don't work well in that model, since they will actually cause the people they hide among too root you out. They really are not an effective weapon against a military as much as they are a weapon of fear.
I think Iraq is a good example of that, after the initial phase the insurgency has gotten more crafty and gone to more damaging weapons.

[beemoh]

Here's an interesting one for you, that I picked up off the SA forums- a piece about the LaRouche's business issues. While there's not a direct "games" component to it, it's certainly relevant to us, and some of the articles posted above.

Also, aparrently, the youth movement's not a strong as it was.

http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0711.klein.html

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2676291

Choice comment:

What was really killing LaRouche's enterprise (in addition, of course, to its peculiar philosophies and inability to keep a simple balance sheet) was that its leader was clinging to a dying medium. Enamored by print, he had failed to exploit the Internet. The Web could have solved many of his problems. Compared to printed material, online propaganda is virtually free to produce, and the Internet offers limitless space for disquisitions on esoteric subjects. (If anyone was made for blogging, it was surely Lyndon LaRouche.)

But LaRouche's politics had always focused on physical infrastructure [...] The rise of the information and services industry held little interest for him, and so, having failed to predict the Internet, he proceeded to ignore it. Moreover, Computron and other similar fiascos had forced out the talent that made the group an early adopter of technology in the late 1970s. Although the group's fund-raising had improved in the '80s, it had failed to attract new classes of committed, educated senior cadres. This generational gap left the organization painfully unaware of the Internet's value as an organizing tool.

When the group's older leaders eventually ventured online, they often stumbled. They were slow to grasp that although the Internet allowed the free dissemination of ideas, it also made criticism equally accessible. Around 2003, the organization set up a discussion board and then a Yahoo group, [...] Organization members shut the boards down and tried a more proactive approach, popping up on anti-LaRouche sites to defend the organization. That tactic only inspired more criticism, and confirmed to posters that the LaRouche organization was worried about what they were saying. Eventually, Youth Movement members were ordered to stay off social networking sites like MySpace, which LaRouche deemed an "Orwellian brain-washing operation."

[Twin-Skies]

Here's an interesting one for you, that I picked up off the SA forums- a piece about the LaRouche's business issues. While there's not a direct "games" component to it, it's certainly relevant to us, and some of the articles posted above.

Also, aparrently, the youth movement's not a strong as it was.

http://www2.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2007/0711.klein.html

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2676291

Choice comment:

So in the end, LaRouche's contempt for all things online is just bitter sourgraping from a sad old man who never took the time to understand the technology?

That actually explains the shoddy layout for the EIR site, or their lack of a proper discussion forum

[KN]

"oh god how do I get rid of this criticism i never wanted this"

[Brokenscope]

More larouche


http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/08/suicide-bombers-come-west.html

[Soldat_Louis]

Not really a videogame-related news, but there's a reference to games in this article : (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/08/giulianis-boskin-teenage-zombie-master.html)


Giuliani's Boskin is "Teen Zombie-master"!

November 8, 2007 (LPAC)--The economic advisers to the Presidential candidates will debate November 9th at the National Press Club. Here, Rudy Giuliani will be represented by Michael Boskin, a fanatical virtual-economy globalist, senior fellow at George Shultz's Hoover Institution and Stanford University economics professor. Boskin is chief economic adviser to "Gaia," a virtual investment world wherein teenagers learn to be zombie speculators, while immersed in Anime and video games. Gaia Interactive announced September 17th that Boskin would chair the Council of Economic Advisors for Gaia Online, a "virtual world" with 2.5 million monthly participants engaging in more than 100,000 daily transactions. Gaia said Boskin's new Council would provide "ongoing analysis and guidance" of the virtual economy.

Boskin himself commented that an economy is an economy, regardless of whether the participants are teens in a virtual world or captains of industry in the physical world (paraphrased by CNET News.com).

Back to the article quoted in the previous post, they were prompt to blame games, but also the rest. Best parts :

(...)
As Lyndon LaRouche has made the point again and again, the United States and Western Europe are recruiting millions of potential teenage suicide bombers via the computer game industry, typified by companies such as Microsoft Games.
(...)
Also featured on his "You Tube" page were videos of himself playing killer video games! One of these features him as a British SAS Special Forces Agent in EA Games' Battlefield 2: Special Forces, although the boy writes, "Don't blame the movies I see, the music I hear, the games I play or the books I read." He says, in answer to his own question of why he will commit the massacre, that, "the truth is that I am just an animal."

Are these the "natural" thoughts of an 18 year old boy? Hardly! But millions of youth today are being programmed to have these thoughts, by, as the killer's own "profile" documents and as LaRouchePAC has exposed, a British imperial psychological warfare operation, to create suicide bombers and stone cold killers through the "entertainment" and computer game industry. (...)

So in "Battlefield 2 : Special Forces" you can play a British Special Forces agent ? Now I understand why this game is evil ! :rolleyes:

[KN]

More larouche


http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/08/suicide-bombers-come-west.html

Nine Inch Nails (a favorite of previous teen suicide bombers)

YES! Please go on :)


Oh, he doesn't :(

This (http://larouchepub.com/lym/2007/3431spacewar_posthuman_era.html) is hilarious.

[Twin-Skies]

Back to LaRouchePAC news : there are two articles about MySpace and Facebook, the new LaRouchites' arch-devils. This one (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/05/remember-hansel-and-gretel.html), where Bill Gates is mentioned as the owner of Facebook, and this other one. (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/06/concern-voiced-over-growing-myspace-addiction.html)

And now, here is a real videogame-related article. (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/06/suicide-makes-sense-after-playing-halo-3-pathetic-wired-maga.html) More precisely, it's about Halo 3 :



Clive Thompson's full article is available at this address. (http://www.wired.com/gaming/gamingreviews/commentary/games/2007/11/gamesfrontiers_1105) And though the ideas expressed may be controversial, they're very different from LaRouchePAC's interpretation.

Read Clive's article. Being a Halo player myself, I find his insight to be very interesting, although I'd have to say my first "Suicide Bomber" experience was back on BF 1942 - engineers + Jeeps are the best thing against Tigers.

If he thinks Halo3's bad, wait till he tries CoD4. The game carries two obtainable skills that let you take down your enemy before you die - I think it was "Martyr", and "Last Stand."

It's sickening how the LaRoucies twisted up Thompson's article like that just to serve their own agenda. Then again, what else is expected of their lot?

[Soldat_Louis]

It seems that the LaRouchites are back. Here are no less than two videogame-related articles.

The first one (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/09/be-satan-video-game-target.html) is about Target's decision not to sell Manhunt 2 :

"Be Like Satan" Video Game is Off Target!

November 9, 2007 (LPAC)--One of the leading street-corner dealers of video games, the retail store Target, announced yesterday they will not sell the super-violent game, "Manhunt 2," which concerns two escapees from an insane asylum, out on a killing spree with various weapons. The game was banned in England link (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/06/25/london-action-stops-world-wide-distribution-super-violent-vi.html), but has been given the blessing of the U.S. Congress's creation, the Entertainment Software Rating Board.

Target issued the following press release yesterday: "All video games and computer software sold at Target, currently carry ratings by the Entertainment Software Rating Board from early childhood through mature audiences. While Manhunt 2 was given a mature rating by the ESRB, we received additional information that players can potentially view previously filtered content, by altering the game code. As a result, we have decided not to carry the game."

But it's just a copy-paste of a press release with a short comment. The second article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/09/finland-school-killer-its-game.html), and the best one, is about Jokela school shooting :

Finland School-Killer: "It's In the Game"

November 9, 2007 (LPAC)--The perpetrator of Wednesday's school massacre in Finland, Pekka-Erik Auvinen, went directly from playing the point-and-kill military training game "Battlefield 2", to the school where he shot and killed 8 students and the principal.

The producer of the game, Electronic Art's subordinate company, DICE, which specializes in violent video games, published the following on its blog website yesterday (www.bf2.se/ (http://www.bf2.se/)).

"There are many indications that this 18-year old, Pekka-Erik Auvinen, played BF2 under the nickname `NaturalSelector89.' He has played 189 hours since March, which averages 50 minutes per day. At 10:47 AM yesterday [Nov. 7], immediately before the massacre took place, he played his last round of BF2. Among those murdered, there is a member of the online gamer's clan eyeGaming, which you can read about in this blog. Naturally, our thoughts go out to all relatives of the victims of the tragedy in Finland."

The website also provides the statistics of "NaturalSelector89" since he joined the game in March 2007 (profile here) (http://www.bf2stats.nl/player/94933011). The head of the information section of DICE, Jenny Huldschiner, confirmed these details to the Swedish daily Expressen, adding that "somehow, authentic war games, violent films, violence on tv, and all other kinds of violence that is drowning us, do have an impact on us."

However, after making this stunning statement, the information chief of one of the largest cartel operations drowning youth under a sea of violent war games, said, as if by a fist pounding the table: "As far as I know, there is no research that confirms a connection between violence and war games." The silencing is typical: link (http://www.larouchepac.com/pages/breaking_news/2007/04/30/killer_lobby.shtml)

Sweden, a historically neutral country, is one of the largest producers of Nazi-esque games in the world. Along with White Power rock music, video games are one of the growing "industries" of export for Sweden. The country is also the base for an advanced arms industry, which has now been almost totally taken over by British Aerospace Systems (BAE).

Now, they're "Nazi-esque games" ? Wow... :eek:

[Soldat_Louis]

And here is another article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/10/cyber-school-killers-columbine-connection.html), not directly videogame-related, but Columbine related :


"Cyber School For Killers": The Columbine Connection

November 10, 2007 (LPAC) – Under the headline, "The Cyber School for Killers," today's London Times reports the following: "A group of young people who idolized the Columbine High School killers may have shared information on the internet… The YouTube killer who shot dead eight members of his school in Finland before turning his gun on himself had Internet contacts with an American teenager who was planning a shooting spree in a high school in Philadelphia, it was claimed yesterday."

The disclosure could turn upside down previous assumptions about the dynamics of school massacres. Until now, teenage killers were regarded as depressed loners whose imagination had been stoked by aggressive computer games. Now it seems that information may have been shared by potential killers over the Internet: a virtual community of young people who idolise the 1999 Columbine High School murders.

"It's highly probable that there was some form of contact between Pekka-Eric Auvinen and Dillon Cossey," a spokesman for the cyber crime department of Helsinki police said. Dillon Cossey, 14, was arrested last month on suspicion of planning to storm his old school in Plymouth Meeting, Pa. Police acting on a tip off found a 9mm semi-automatic rifle, handmade grenades, a .22 pistol and a .22 single-shot rifle at his home. Less than two weeks later Auvinen, already a member of a shooting club, was buying his first gun — a .22 pistol — and expressing interest in a 9mm semi-automatic. Police do not believe this to have been a coincidence. The two youths are thought to have made contact over two MySpace groups, "RIP Eric and Dylan" — a reference to Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, who killed 12 schoolmates and a teacher at Columbine- —and "Natural Selection".

The exposure of this Internet "community" of Columbine fanatics should also cause a deeper look at Seung-Hui Cho, the Virginia Tech student who killed 32 classmates and himself on April 16, 2007, and wounded dozens of others. Cho had been fascinated with the 1999 Columbine massacre since he was in 8th grade, reported an official report commissioned by the Virginia governor. The hard drive on Cho's computer was never found after the massacre, and therefore the full extent of his involvement in Internet and video game violence has not been determined.

Funny to see how the Finnish Jokela shooter is called "the YouTube killer", not by LaRouche, but by mainstream media... in fact, no, that's not funny.

[beemoh]

I particuarily like the line-

Until now, teenage killers were regarded as depressed loners whose imagination had been stoked by aggressive computer games. Now it seems that information may have been shared by potential killers over the Internet

As it suggests

1/ there may be the tiniest of inklings in LaRouche's mind that games attract the type to go shooting up schools, not [i]create[i] them

and

2/ the anti-game pressure might actually be off if only initially from LaRouche, but perhaps later the media as a whole, as social networking sites become a better new target.

Now, who's up for manufacturing some controversies around MySpace?

[TheNova]

Now, who's up for manufacturing some controversies around MySpace?

I am! Sounds like the perfect plan to finally get rid of my MySpace account, which has been nearly impossible.

[KN]

Someone break rule 1 and 2 and tell them about /b/. It has to be done.

[Brokenscope]

Oh Oh Oh Pick Me Pick Me!

[Twin-Skies]

Someone break rule 1 and 2 and tell them about /b/. It has to be done.

Tempting...but no. Not even LaRouchie's stupidity merits us unleashing such an awesome force upon his person.

I say we stick with the more conventional stuff - a Tomahawk, and maybe a couple of 16-inch shells for good measure. Anybody got 47's number?

:D

[Sidewinder]

I really like the Nazi-escue games from Sweden part. But what's even more funny is the fact that these "articles" constantly fulfill Godwin's Law. It truly shows the groups lack of imagination. At least Communist comparisons are somewhat original.

Anyone else find it funny that these guys continue to claim that gamers are brainwashed? You have a saying in English... How does it go? The kettle calling the pot black?

[Twin-Skies]

I really like the Nazi-escue games from Sweden part. But what's even more funny is the fact that these "articles" constantly fulfill Godwin's Law. It truly shows the groups lack of imagination. At least Communist comparisons are somewhat original.

Anyone else find it funny that these guys continue to claim that gamers are brainwashed? You have a saying in English... How does it go? The kettle calling the pot black?

Yup - they're amusing beyond compare, although it leaves me wondering where they get all this crazy material. I'm led to believe they simply get a couple of newspapers, and randomly draw lines between completely unrelated topic, before connecting back to some utterance of Nazism or Hitler.


crap...did I just do a Godwin...?

[Shrike]

Not a direct godwin. Larouche did the direct one.

[Soldat_Louis]

Wow ! It seems that the LaRouchites are in great form :

First, Manhunt 2 has just been released that they find a way to relate it to a recent murder (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/two-nazi-youth-follow-orders-bill-gates-and-kill-fun.html) (pictures are from the LaRouchePAC's article. Note that the original article in the Detroit News never talks about Manhunt 2, though it mentions "violent video games" only once) :


Two Nazi Youth Follow Orders From Bill Gates and Kill 'For Fun'

November 13, 2007 (LPAC)--Detroit police arrested two young adults yesterday, for a murder which could have been taken out of the video game "Manhunt 2" (see screenshots below). Wayne County Prosecutor Kym Worthy said the two stabbed Daniel G. Sorensen to death, sawed off his head, and used a blow torch to burn his body, simply for the thrill of it.

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pictures/23528671a034956455887d852731db57/article.jpg http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pictures/fbbe09edd7b5c4e3412fda1835febdcb/article.jpg

"All of us have seen every type of crime available, and why someone would kill for the thrill of it amazes us," Worthy told the Detroit News.

The two men, Alexander James Letkemann (above) and Jean Pierre Orlewicz (below), both 18, murdered Sorenson with multiple knife wounds in the back. Worthy said, "They lured him into a garage where a space had been prepared to kill him." A tarpaulin on the floor and liquid cleaners to remove blood stains were found afterwards. Then they took the body to a vacant lot and set it afire. Worthy called the murder "bone-chilling."

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pictures/cc5154a631ecf8322d4670e75b258bde/article.jpghttp://www.larouchepac.com/files/pictures/0439f32a7c6b86e80b0a3f31c42e14ff/article.jpg

In the video game Manhunt, players control escaped inmates of an insane asylum, on a killing spree which includes stabbing, hacksawing and setting victims on fire. The sequel, Manhunt 2, was released just last week and is, as they say, "now available in a store near you."

Both photos are courtesy of Rupert Murdoch's IGN.com. Without a website like Internet Gaming Network, how else would you train a mass-based fascist youth movement into carrying out Nazi murders?

And in another article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/innocent-18-year-old-shot-20-times-police-its-giuliani-time.html), the killing of a 18-year-old, shot 20 times by New York police officers is related at the same time to Rudy Giuliani and "point-and-shoot video games" :


Innocent 18 Year-Old Shot 20 Times by Police; It's "Giuliani Time"

November 13, 2007 (LPAC)--In what has become known as a "Giuliani Time" incident, last night New York City police officers mistakenly shot and killed an 18 year-old, pumping 20 bullets into him. The five police officers who took part in the shooting believed the youth, Khiel Coppin, had a gun. But after the shooting stopped and Khiel was dead, the police saw he was only holding a hairbrush. Police were responding to a 9-1-1 call from Coppin's mother. They first described the situation as "a family dispute with a gun," according to the New York Times.

Lyndon LaRouche has referred to previous shooting of this kind, as part of the policy of the Revolution in Military Affairs, that of turning our military and police into trained killers. Point-and-shoot video games are part of the training.

ABC News reported some previous incidents: "In November 2006, an unarmed man named Sean Bell was killed after police fired 50 bullets at his car on what turned out to be his wedding day. In 1999, an unarmed African immigrant named Amadou Diallo was killed when police fired 41 shots at him. Diallo had reached in his pocket, to get his ID, when the cops asked him for it, then they brutally killed him, "mistaking" the wallet, to be a gun.

Finally, the LaRouchites are very creative : when they have no link at all with video games, they create one of their own.

[nightwng2000]

Wow ! It seems that the LaRouchites are in great form :

First, Manhunt 2 has just been released that they find a way to relate it to a recent murder (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/two-nazi-youth-follow-orders-bill-gates-and-kill-fun.html) (pictures are from the LaRouchePAC's article. Note that the original article in the Detroit News never talks about Manhunt 2, though it mentions "violent video games" only once) :


Even more interesting in the first article, while pumping the "nazi murder" angles, the group fails to mention that their victim was a registered sex offender (though the specific details aren't quite clear other than when he was 17 he had sexual relations with a 14 year old). Nor does it mention that apparently the guy owed the kids money.

Also interestingly, I don't recall if there was an article by the LYM regarding the Finland school shooting and whether the issue of "nazi" came up by them in that case or not.

[Soldat_Louis]

Also interestingly, I don't recall if there was an article by the LYM regarding the Finland school shooting and whether the issue of "nazi" came up by them in that case or not.

Oh, yes, it did came up in this article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/09/finland-school-killer-its-game.html) (look at the last paragraph).

[Demontestament]

Wow ! It seems that the LaRouchites are in great form :

First, Manhunt 2 has just been released that they find a way to relate it to a recent murder (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/two-nazi-youth-follow-orders-bill-gates-and-kill-fun.html) (pictures are from the LaRouchePAC's article. Note that the original article in the Detroit News never talks about Manhunt 2, though it mentions "violent video games" only once) :



And in another article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/innocent-18-year-old-shot-20-times-police-its-giuliani-time.html), the killing of a 18-year-old, shot 20 times by New York police officers is related at the same time to Rudy Giuliani and "point-and-shoot video games" :



Finally, the LaRouchites are very creative : when they have no link at all with video games, they create one of their own.

Well once again the information about both stories are flawed. Neither of the young men were nazi youth members, bill gates did not order the hit, they are 17 and 18 not both 18. Only one of them killed the guy, the other was called over to help dispose of the body. This is once again a true showing of the limited intelligence the LaRouche Cult contains. And what the bloody Hell does Guiliani have to do with any of this? BTW the kid was hit 8 times out of 20 rounds fired, if you are going to report on something LaRouche get the facts right.

[Soldat_Louis]

No videogame-related news yet, but there are two other MySpace-bashing articles. this one (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/myspace-murderers-search-strong-emotions.html) is about a "MySpace murderer" (with a link to the Finnish Jokela school shooting), and this one (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/13/myspace-and-facebook-place-where-youth-want-be-spied-nsa.html) is about the loss of anonymity.

Well... in fact, there is a sort of videogame-related news : on their front page (http://www.larouchepac.com/), they put a banner with a picture of Manhunt 2, about the "two nazis youth" who "kill for fun", and Bill Gates who "might know why". There's also a link to the British's war plan against the American System. (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/12/great-circle-crisis-britains-war-plan-against-american-syste.html) But this one doesn't mention games, nor even Bill Gates, nor MySpace.

[Tollwutig]

Well once again the information about both stories are flawed. Neither of the young men were nazi youth members, bill gates did not order the hit, they are 17 and 18 not both 18. Only one of them killed the guy, the other was called over to help dispose of the body. This is once again a true showing of the limited intelligence the LaRouche Cult contains. And what the bloody Hell does Guiliani have to do with any of this? BTW the kid was hit 8 times out of 20 rounds fired, if you are going to report on something LaRouche get the facts right.

What!!! You can't let silly things like facts get in the way of proper brainwashing.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Yes, we still own New England.

[American_System]

Well, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia....

[MaskedPixelante]

Hey, welcome back 'Merican. Thought we got rid of you, but I guess you've shown us all, huh? Nice to see you again, and such, you're always worth a few laughs, thinking you're morally superior to us and all that

[kurisu7885]

Well, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia....

Awww, did the truth leak out when they edited one of your entires?

[KN]

Well, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia....

I missed you :)

[American_System]

Hello again, anonymous friends!

So, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia (or, if you prefer, Not going to be tolerated this time around.-Toll)....

...does Godwin's Law still apply?:confused:

(The website even covers up the Nazi complicity in the burning of the Reichstag!)

[MaskedPixelante]

Ahh yes, how could we not know that a website that is essentially written by what a bunch of morons think may have happened could possibly be wrong.

Thank you for your insight A_S... Nor this.-toll.. Please allow me to distribute your prize for proving us wrong accordingly.

http://almadonegocio.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/shoryuken.jpg

Be sure to apply liberally to the jaw, lest it not work correctly.

[kurisu7885]

Hello again, anonymous friends!

So, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia (or, if you prefer, Dickipedia)....

...does Godwin's Law still apply?:confused:

(The website even covers up the Nazi complicity in the burning of the Reichstag!)

You do know human beings are allowed to be wrong on occasion, right?

And some do it on purpose for laughs.

[nightwng2000]

Hello again, anonymous friends!

So, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia (or, if you prefer, Dickipedia)....

...does Godwin's Law still apply?:confused:

(The website even covers up the Nazi complicity in the burning of the Reichstag!)

Article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

Discussion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Reichstag_fire

Since the Discussion Page is public, it's hardly "covered up".

So, this shell game of yours is a waste of space. After all, the newest articles posted here by LYM, et al, weren't adressed by you on your re-emergence. Rather, you tried to shift the topic to nonsense.

But, if you're so concerned about WHO is running wikipedia, why not have the LYM do their own? Only allow members of the LYM, given special IDs and passwords, so only THEY can make changes.

You can call it "cultipedia". No... wait... that's too broad a term.

How about "LYMipedia"? No... wait... that implies "Limey" which is too close to British Empire sounding.

AH! I've got it! "LAPACipedia"! No... wait... that makes it sound like a French Pac-Man. Too video gamey.

I dunno.

But, it wouldn't be unique for anyone to segregate from wikipedia. Look at conservapedia. And your group can write whatever version of history they want there. Whether it's about video games, crime, the British Empire, conspiracy theories, the military, or whatever.

Seems logical to me anyway.

[Shrike]

What's odd... even if LaRouche is right, is there any possible way for him to do anything if he attains a real position of power? He's what, 85?

From what I'm seeing, it's his ability to blue sky solutions that's driving it. When he's dead of old age... what happens to the movement?

That's a serious problem, if your group is focused around a single person rather than an idea. LaRouche's ideas have changed a great deal over his long life, and there's no guarantee he's even happy with his current plans.

American_System, care to comment on this?

None of us are getting any younger, after all.

[Twin-Skies]

Hello again, anonymous friends!

So, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia (or, if you prefer, Dickipedia)....

...does Godwin's Law still apply?:confused:

(The website even covers up the Nazi complicity in the burning of the Reichstag!)

Oh, snap! He's back!

*frantically searches for tinfoil hat*

Welcome back, man.

And btw, nightwng2000's got a point with the wiki. If you guys are so aghast at wikipedia's leanings, why not make your own online? The conservatives already have one, as does World of Warcraft. Heck, I'd even go as far as suggest setting up your own video streaming site. There's already one run by Christians called Godtube - that may serve as a good example.

[Demontestament]

Oh, snap! He's back!

*frantically searches for tinfoil hat*

Welcome back, man.

And btw, nightwng2000's got a point with the wiki. If you guys are so aghast at wikipedia's leanings, why not make your own online? The conservatives already have one, as does World of Warcraft. Heck, I'd even go as far as suggest setting up your own video streaming site. There's already one run by Christians called Godtube - that may serve as a good example.

LaRouchetube.com? Man I sense the rise of America's new #1 comedy website.

[KN]

Hello again, anonymous friends!

So, now that Mike Godwin works as Kronjurist for Wikipedia (or, if you prefer, Dickipedia)....

...does Godwin's Law still apply?:confused:

(The website even covers up the Nazi complicity in the burning of the Reichstag!)

It lists all the facts we know to be true, along with the fact that the nazis latched on to it to increase their power. I think the average person can put one and o- oh wait, they can't. You have a point.

(Srsly, it doesn't explicitly say the nazis did it on that page)

[Tollwutig]

LET ME MAKE ONE THING ABUNDANTLY CLEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that I have your attention, this thread WILL NOTbreak down into a flame war. This means there will be zero tolerance for any flaming, or flame baiting. If you are going to post in here you had better be posting 1) A question. 2) An opinion stated as such 3) A statement of fact backed up by sources.

Snide remarks towards each other WILL NOT be allowed. I suggest some of you go back an do some edits on your own posts before I have to.

FAILURE TO COMPLY WILL RESULT IN A MODERATOR APPLYING LIBERAL SWINGS OF THE BAN HAMMER.I hope i have made myself abundantly clear. Toll

[Jabrwock]

I see it as no different than the Bush administration re 9/11. Only conspiracy theorists think Bush's compatriots actually caused 9/11. Those who look at the facts realize instead that it was the perfect opportunity for them to latch onto to. Namely like the fire, they pretty much ran around in circles going "OMG we were right! We were right? OMG OMG OMG OMG! Quick, consolidate control before it happens again!"

[kurisu7885]

I see it as no different than the Bush administration re 9/11. Only conspiracy theorists think Bush's compatriots actually caused 9/11. Those who look at the facts realize instead that it was the perfect opportunity for them to latch onto to. Namely like the fire, they pretty much ran around in circles going "OMG we were right! We were right? OMG OMG OMG OMG! Quick, consolidate control before it happens again!"

I hear a bunch of the same and think it's all bull hockey like this whole video game deal.

I heard "Oh there were explosions before the planes hit" or "Bush will declare marshal law to keep the election fro,happening"or some such about secret internment camps and buildings surrounded in barbed wire. One of my friends, who is rather biased by the way, keeps harping at me about this, ignoring that footage can be doctored, and he keeps telling me he doesn't think it is albeit falling for more outlandish claims.

And this "sleeper cell" junk? Please, if that were true I could have killed off half my tailer park by now,and should have seeing as apparently I don't have a choice in the matter, but haven't, despite having played video games since the days of the NES.

[Jabrwock]

One of my friends, who is rather biased by the way, keeps harping at me about this, ignoring that footage can be doctored, and he keeps telling me he doesn't think it is albeit falling for more outlandish claims.They've doctored footage now to add in "proof" of the explosions? Which ones? There's some stuff that happened that was "looked" like explosions, but was actually caused by the towers collapsing... (the "squirts" out the side of the building for example)

I remember when (I think) either Popular Science or Mechanics looked at all the myths, and blew them all away. The conspiracy theories hold about as much water as the "proof" that we didn't land on the moon...

[kurisu7885]

They've doctored footage now to add in "proof" of the explosions? Which ones? There's some stuff that happened that was "looked" like explosions, but was actually caused by the towers collapsing... (the "squirts" out the side of the building for example)

I remember when (I think) either Popular Science or Mechanics looked at all the myths, and blew them all away. The conspiracy theories hold about as much water as the "proof" that we didn't land on the moon...

Supposedly it was puffs of smoke similar to demolition charges use to level condemned buildings. And don't bother pointing out the science, the government controls what can and cannot be said on those shows. :rolleyes:

[Brokenscope]

Goodness knows 2 floors rushing towards each other wouldn't cause the air to compress then escape.

[KN]

I wish Ron Paul would come out of the closet as a Truther. 70% of his supporters are. Doing that would please them and discredit him for the sane world, hopefully preventing this sick mind from running.

[Soldat_Louis]

Tss tss... I'm absent for a few days, and nobody wants to keep it updated ? That's a pity, because the LaRouchites are very prolific right now.

So, here are the latest writings from Lyndon LaRouche himself :
- LaRouche: The Mass Youth Killings are NOT a Social Phenomenon; It's the British Empire's Orchestration from the Top (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/19/larouche-mass-youth-killings-are-not-social-phenomenon-its-b.html)
- From Milken & Enron to Perugia: 'Extreme Events'! (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/16/milken-enron-perugia-extreme-events.html) (beware, it's longer and tougher to read)

[KN]

Please LaRouche. Endorse Ron Paul. Do it.. do it. BREAK this man's campaign.

Do it for me :3

[Twin-Skies]

Tss tss... I'm absent for a few days, and nobody wants to keep it updated ? That's a pity, because the LaRouchites are very prolific right now.

So, here are the latest writings from Lyndon LaRouche himself :
- LaRouche: The Mass Youth Killings are NOT a Social Phenomenon; It's the British Empire's Orchestration from the Top (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/19/larouche-mass-youth-killings-are-not-social-phenomenon-its-b.html)
- From Milken & Enron to Perugia: 'Extreme Events'! (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/16/milken-enron-perugia-extreme-events.html) (beware, it's longer and tougher to read)

Taken from the text:
The LPAC counterintelligence team is looking closer into this epidemic, which will be further elaborated in a pamphlet with a strategic expose of not only these different cases, but the conscious orchestration of these events from the highest level of the British Empire.

I'd love to see that said pamphlet - it'll look so cool beside my Nazi-era swastika flag:D

Kidding

[MaskedPixelante]

Dick Cheney is in the hospital for an irregular heartbeat. Anything from the LPAC on this yet? I imagine they have a bunch of mad-lib copypasta ready for just such an occasion.

[American_System]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/11-26-07-nyko-gun.jpg
Who's going to paint their's black...?

[kurisu7885]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/11-26-07-nyko-gun.jpg
Who's going to paint their's black...?

Nah, if I get that I'll just leave it. Looks perfect as is.

But some idiot might just do that...

[Hannah]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/11-26-07-nyko-gun.jpg
Who's going to paint their's black...?

Why bother? Even with a new paintjob, I doubt that thing would look real. Besides, there are much more realistic toy guns at every dollar store.

[kurisu7885]

Why bother? Even with a new paintjob, I doubt that thing would look real. Besides, there are much more realistic toy guns at every dollar store.

And all over the internet, and at toy stores such as Toys R Us, at department stores and some grocery stores, sporting goods stores, need I go on?

Heck, that controller pales in realism compared to the airsoft weaponry a store right near me sells.

[Brokenscope]

I think that thing is supposed to resemble a desert eagle. Judging from the silhouette.

[kurisu7885]

I think that thing is supposed to resemble a desert eagle. Judging from the silhouette.

Doubt anyone could mistake an IR sensor for a gun barrel though.

[Brokenscope]

........ an anti gun nut might.

[Twin-Skies]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/11-26-07-nyko-gun.jpg
Who's going to paint their's black...?

Unfortunately, I don't own a Wii.

Why even bother with that? It looks awkward to wield, and as everybody here has pointed out, you'd have to go through way too much trouble just to make it look like a real gun.

If I wanted to do that, I may as well buy an airsoft, and duct-tape the orange muzzle. Helluva lot less trouble than this rig.

@Brokenscope?

Too stubby to look like a DE...

I thought it looked more like Jerico, or a Sig-Sauer P226

[Hannah]

........ an anti gun nut might.

I hate guns, but I don't think this looks like a real one :P I've owned more realistic water pistols over the years...

[kurisu7885]

I hate guns, but I don't think this looks like a real one :P I've owned more realistic water pistols over the years...

Exactly. Hell, if this thing got shooped black,I bet most people could still tell it's not real, especially if the Wiimote isn't plugged in, but still, it looks too much like a toy.

[Twin-Skies]

Exactly. Hell, if this thing got shooped black,I bet most people could still tell it's not real, especially if the Wiimote isn't plugged in, but still, it looks too much like a toy.

Self-confessed gun nut here...

But I treat firearms with the same level of respect I treat my martial arts training. That is, even if I train in its use, I pray it will never have to be used in an actual fight. Too many trigger-happy idiots running around with no regard for the effects of their actions IMHO.

[kurisu7885]

Self-confessed gun nut here...

But I treat firearms with the same level of respect I treat my martial arts training. That is, even if I train in its use, I pray it will never have to be used in an actual fight. Too many trigger-happy idiots running around with no regard for the effects of their actions IMHO.

Agreed, just like with video games, the complete idiots spoil it for the sane.

[Brokenscope]

I hate guns, but I don't think this looks like a real one :P I've owned more realistic water pistols over the years...

Then your not a anti gun nut. Then again my threshold for declaring nutjob status is pretty high, I don't usually call someone an anti gun nut till they try to tell me a bolt action rifle is an assault rifle.


Too stubby to look like a DE...

I thought it looked more like Jerico, or a Sig-Sauer P226

Isn't the Jericho called the mini eagle or something?

[Twin-Skies]

@Brokenscope

It's also called the Baby Eagle:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jericho_941

I just prefer calling it the Jerico because it sounds better.:D Hmm, Spike Spiegel's sidearm of choice...

[nightwng2000]

These days, making a toy gun look "more real" isn't necessary. Gung ho cops who have no problem tazering anyone and everyone, or shooting and claiming "I thought they had a gun" is more than sufficient worry for the average citizen.

As others have said, one can buy some cheap water pistols and some hobby paint and spend WAY less than buying that controller and some paint.

On a side note, not a very professional looking site, but while doing a search, I came across this site. Probably more professional ones out there, but this was early in my search.

http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/

[Hannah]

These days, making a toy gun look "more real" isn't necessary. Gung ho cops who have no problem tazering anyone and everyone, or shooting and claiming "I thought they had a gun" is more than sufficient worry for the average citizen.

As others have said, one can buy some cheap water pistols and some hobby paint and spend WAY less than buying that controller and some paint.

On a side note, not a very professional looking site, but while doing a search, I came across this site. Probably more professional ones out there, but this was early in my search.

http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/

Heee... it's all the crazy of jewwatch.com, but with a more deserving target :D

[beemoh]

On a side note, not a very professional looking site, but while doing a search, I came across this site. Probably more professional ones out there, but this was early in my search.

http://lyndonlarouchewatch.org/

Jesus Christ, that's hideous.

[Twin-Skies]

@American_System

Why'd you bring that up all of a sudden, btw?

@nightwng2000

I concur with everybody else - the LaroucheWatch site is hideous. It looks like a badly designed porn site, only it's got so many pics of wrinkly old men...ewww...

[beemoh]

@American_System

Why'd you bring that up all of a sudden, btw?

I believe that specific Wii Remote Weapon Attachment has been announced in the last day or so.

[Demontestament]

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.engadget.com/media/2007/11/11-26-07-nyko-gun.jpg
Who's going to paint their's black...?

What is your point this time? I doubt anyone is going to paint their wii zapper black to make it look like a "Real Gun". I mean the large missing area on the top is a dead give away it is fake, or the wiimote you have to actually stick in there to play any games. And please for the love of god do not go on the whole "It will teach kids to shoot and kill people" rant most people who have no idea what they are talking about say when talking about a gun peripheral.

[SlyFox]

Ah, ok, now I see. The LarouchWatch site is out to expose the cult. It only became obvios when I got half way down the page and to the banner at the bottom. Badly designed and put together but probably made in a hurry.

[nightwng2000]

Note that I'm aware of the age and sources of some of these articles. The point is, as has already been pointed out by others, it's not unique to blame toy or "entertainment" guns for criminal acts.

These, of course, aren't for fear mongering purposes. But American_System seems to feel his arguments unique by bringing up video game controllers in the form of guns.

Amazing the power of history to defeat present day ignorance.

http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0102/p01s03-usgn.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article523031.ece
http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/01/08/ctv.toy.guns/
http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/pdf/govpub/838toyguns.pdf
http://www.senate.gov.ph/press_release/2007/1122_villar1.asp
(The above one is VERY recent.)
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=local&id=5472003
(The above one is FAIRLY recent)

And these were just a few on the first page of the google search for "all the words" of "statistics crime" and "exact phrase" of "toy guns".

What's next? Elvis Presley look-alikes being the downfall of civilization because they sing Rock-N-Roll?

[SlyFox]

Tss tss... I'm absent for a few days, and nobody wants to keep it updated ? That's a pity, because the LaRouchites are very prolific right now.

So, here are the latest writings from Lyndon LaRouche himself :
- LaRouche: The Mass Youth Killings are NOT a Social Phenomenon; It's the British Empire's Orchestration from the Top (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/19/larouche-mass-youth-killings-are-not-social-phenomenon-its-b.html)
- From Milken & Enron to Perugia: 'Extreme Events'! (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/16/milken-enron-perugia-extreme-events.html) (beware, it's longer and tougher to read)

Not only does that first article contain quotes from people who have failed to do any REAL research into what they are vainly attempting to talk about, but the articale also has nothing at all to do with Britian, the royal family, or anything even slightly British or Britain-ralated. Therefore, it would seem fair to ask how exactly is La Rouche getting anything about Britain being responsible for "mass" youth killings?

[kurisu7885]

Note that I'm aware of the age and sources of some of these articles. The point is, as has already been pointed out by others, it's not unique to blame toy or "entertainment" guns for criminal acts.

These, of course, aren't for fear mongering purposes. But American_System seems to feel his arguments unique by bringing up video game controllers in the form of guns.


Not to mention bringing up that an Xbox 360 controller was being used as an interface for a BOMB DISPOSAL robot that has NO WEAPONS whatsoever and is meant to SAVE LIVES.

And sorry for the caps, though I do assume even that won't make obvious for them the fact that it was being used to control a non lethal robot meant to save lives. Really, how far was he reaching?

[American_System]

Just Released
http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/picture.jpg (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/27/noosphere-vs-blogosphere-devil-your-laptop.html)

[kurisu7885]

Just Released
http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/picture.jpg (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/27/noosphere-vs-blogosphere-devil-your-laptop.html)

It comes from your great leader's website, thus, it's likely just fear mongering trash, judging by that picture you posted.

[Twin-Skies]

Just Released
http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/picture.jpg (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/27/noosphere-vs-blogosphere-devil-your-laptop.html)

Yes indeed, he's in my laptopz, stealin' my RAM speedz :(

No wonder my nx6120's been on the fritz lately. Thanks man, that clears it up. I'll be sure to bring some Holy water along when I visit my local tech.

[nightwng2000]

Dang, they couldn't even get through the first sentence in the body of the article without bringing up the "British Empire".

And first sentence of second paragraph: Dick cheney.

Ah, and third paragraph: Rupert Murdoch.

Ah, there it is, the idiotic, no-facts-to-back-up-squat, rant about "violent video games".

And a quick look at the .pdf contents:
Attacks against MySpace, Facebook, Wikipedia, video games, Silicon Valley, and trying to link unlinkable groups of teenagers into being "terrorists" and "suicide bombers" and calling those groups "cults" (BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Now THAT is irony).

And American_System was complaining recently about Wikipedia and Godwin's Law? Where's the complaint now? The ignorant crap that is that new article of LPAC's is clearly FILLED with Godwin Law Violations.

Pathetic.

[Brokenscope]

God please never associate laptops and gaming again. Laptops are horrible devices for any type of high performance computing, even when they are designed for it.

Does your movement actually understand a damned thing about what they complain about?

oh wait let me quote from your pamphlet.

The facts are irrefutable. These teenage suicide bombers are being cultivated to have the same psychological motive, to “fight and die for my cause,” as radical Islamic terrorists of the Middle East. But, in many cases, their lethal ability, because of the video games, is greater than even the most well-trained assassins. Therefore,
the leading threat to our national security today, is not terrorism in Asia, but rather, the mass movement of American and European school-age terrorists being orchestrated
to murder their schoolmates, and themselves, by agencies directing today’s computer game industry. 2From page 54 of your leaders pamphlet

Really, kids who never picked up guns before are more lethal than well trained assassins. Do you really have anything to back that up with. DO you seriously believe that somehow after playing a game a he is going to be more effective at actually killing someone than an assassin who is a trained marksman and overall weapons expert?

[nightwng2000]

Favorite line so far in the "pamphlet":


The Presidential candidates all, presently, stink.


LOL! Priceless!

....

And so damn CHILDISH!

[nightwng2000]

God please never associate laptops and gaming again. Laptops are horrible devices for any type of high performance computing, even when they are designed for it.

Does your movement actually understand a damned thing about what they complain about?

oh wait let me quote from your pamphlet.

From page 54 of your leaders pamphlet
Really, kids who never picked up guns before are more lethal than well trained assassins. Do you really have anything to back that up with. DO you seriously believe that somehow after playing a game a he is going to be more effective at actually killing someone than an assassin who is a trained marksman and overall weapons expert?

And to add my own wooden nickel to Brokenscope's well made point, the argument about "fight and die for my cause". Uh, isn't that just about what ANYONE who isn't against violence in general would do? Protect their Rights, their family, their country, their fellow citizens, and so on?

While I don't support war for the sake of "we can, so we should", I also wouldn't suggest that people lie down and accept blindly what others demand they accept. Oh... wait... that's what LaRouche WANTS. As long as it's HIS beliefs and ideas that others follow.

No, I, nor many others, would not support terrorism to protect our causes. But die for them? Defend them? Perhaps, in some rational fashion, fight for them? Damn straight.

[kurisu7885]

I'll have to send a thank you email for the tinder bundle material if I ever get that rag in the mail.

[kurisu7885]

And to add my own wooden nickel to Brokenscope's well made point, the argument about "fight and die for my cause". Uh, isn't that just about what ANYONE who isn't against violence in general would do? Protect their Rights, their family, their country, their fellow citizens, and so on?

While I don't support war for the sake of "we can, so we should", I also wouldn't suggest that people lie down and accept blindly what others demand they accept. Oh... wait... that's what LaRouche WANTS. As long as it's HIS beliefs and ideas that others follow.

No, I, nor many others, would not support terrorism to protect our causes. But die for them? Defend them? Perhaps, in some rational fashion, fight for them? Damn straight.

It's already worked on our guest. We keep casting logic missile after logic missile and he holds fast to what his boss told him.

[Soldat_Louis]

I expected something totally new, but there are a lot of copy-paste from previous articles published on LaRouchePAC or EIR. It's entertaining anyway...

[Twin-Skies]

@American_System

"their lethal ability, because of the video games, is greater than even the most well-trained assassins. Therefore..."

Then why is it that most of the people doing the dying in Iraq are still US soldiers (I mean them no offense, rest their souls), often in multiple of tens thanks to the actions of lone suicide bombers?

If what you say it true, then shouldn't they be able to detect these said bombers far more easily?

[nightwng2000]

So this fake study of 3 cases, thrown together with no intelligent comparison or contrast:

The first being filled with inflammatory and repeated reference to "mass insanity" regarding Henry Paulson and the Treasury. In fact, nothing of value other than to repeatedly insult and use double speak without actually specifying the problem. Indeed, a line from Saint's Row on the talk radio station about video games stereotyping "old, fat, white guys" who continuously repeat themselves.

The second case is of the killing of Meredith Kercher (doing a Google News Search for that name will present a great many articles where one can find as much of The Truth, The WHOLE Truth, And Nothing But The Truth as is known thus far). In fact, they seem to want the reader to ignore any other potential evidence other than what they present in the pamphlet. I believe that's been mentioned by us before, how the LYM programs their followers for a set level of information, then leaves them empty and unable to deal with additional information not provided by the organization and their Lord & Master LaRouche.

The third of course being the Jokela High School shooting. Along with a quick reference to the V-Tech shooting, of course the brainwashing by limiting the information widely reported regarding the WHOLE Truth, as the LYM and LaRouche are known to misinform their own followers among others regarding tragedies for the sole purpose of abusing the individuals, families, and communities that suffered those tragedies for their own personal, religious, and/or political agendas.

They then proceed to use Conspiracy Theory logic to link common factors, common factors which have little to nothing to do with the Truth of how and why the actual individuals committed their acts. Naturally, dealing with the reality of the individuals and their complex natures and lives would destroy any conspiracy theory or agenda seeking the LYM or LPAC have. Which is clearly why the need to create through whatever idiotic, ignorant, and clearly ficticious manner possible to brainwash followers and potential followers and keep them from thinking intelligently.

OOOOOooooo...
"Zombies from Cyberspace"

Good grief, there's only so much I can take after lunch.

:rolleyes:

Pathetic. Just pathetic.

While I recommend others read it just so they don't have to take my word or anyone else's word for what is there... I serious recommend have Ibuprofen or some strong headache relief sitting nearby. Intelligent minds just don't like that level of idiocy or irrational double speak.

[Hannah]

And American_System was complaining recently about Wikipedia and Godwin's Law? Where's the complaint now? The ignorant crap that is that new article of LPAC's is clearly FILLED with Godwin Law Violations.

Pathetic.

Their last pamphlet was even better:

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/origamifrog/goebbels.jpg

Also, I wish Goebbels was on my campus. He was my favourite Nazi -- he was utterly brilliant, and he held one of the highest positions in the NSDAP despite being a frail intellectual. In pretty much every photo, he was right there at Hitler's elbow :D

[Yukimura]

I'd love to see Pac PROVE that a kid who plays video games is able to shoot, fight, sneak, and plan with the same level of skill and ability that an ACTUAL trained killer would.

I bet the shooting alone would disprove it. Kid wouldn't be able to hit the target 1 out of 10, but the killer would hit it every time or darn close to it.

Dont get my started on hand to hand or tactical planning.

American system and the l Pac group are just ignorant fear mongering scum.

[Twin-Skies]

I'd love to see Pac PROVE that a kid who plays video games is able to shoot, fight, sneak, and plan with the same level of skill and ability that an ACTUAL trained killer would.

I bet the shooting alone would disprove it. Kid wouldn't be able to hit the target 1 out of 10, but the killer would hit it every time or darn close to it.

Dont get my started on hand to hand or tactical planning.

American system and the l Pac group are just ignorant fear mongering scum.

Perfect timing - Assassin's Creed is out.

[Darth_Toxic]

Pffffft. I'm quite good at FPS games, but I tried shooting an actual rifle once, and wasn't even able to hit a tin can from about five or six feet away (I think, in about thirty shots, I hit it three or four times). You fail, moron.

[American_System]

You know...you guys are right.

In fact, to be honest, I think we could have done
a better job on the title and cover.

How do you like this one:

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/furrysmall.jpg

[Hannah]

You know...you guys are right.

In fact, to be honest, I think we could have done
a better job on the title and cover.

How do you like this one:

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/furrysmall.jpg

Heeee... American System's a closet furry! :D

[MaskedPixelante]

You know...you guys are right.

In fact, to be honest, I think we could have done
a better job on the title and cover.

How do you like this one:

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/furrysmall.jpg

Welcome to the world of furdom. I had no idea you were into that sort of stuff.

[KN]

You know...you guys are right.

In fact, to be honest, I think we could have done
a better job on the title and cover.

How do you like this one:

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/furrysmall.jpg

OH GOD FINALLY!

YES! YES! YES!

Wait.. is that Ron Paul in the back? I KNEW IT! The ****er's a FURRY!

[beemoh]

Heeee... American System's a closet furry! :D

At last! The truth outs.

[Shrike]

I'm still wondering what happens when LaRouche kicks it.

Who will lead us into the enlightenment?

[KN]

I'm still wondering what happens when LaRouche kicks it.

Who will lead us into the enlightenment?

It will be like Elron Hubbard. "He's not dead; he has passed on to higher levels of consciousness"

[nightwng2000]

I guess now would be a bad time to mention that my son is beginning to like Furry Stories.

Ok, so I don't really know if the series he's reading and loving really falls under the catagory of "Furry", but you know me, I LOVE to antagonize.

http://www.amazon.com/Midnight-Warriors-New-Prophecy-Book/dp/0060744510/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1196205638&sr=8-1

[beemoh]

It will be like Elron Hubbard. "He's not dead; he has passed on to higher levels of consciousness"

"He's with Elvis, now..."

[Hannah]

Also, why did Noosphere gain an umlaut in the shooped version of that pic? I support all efforts to make LaRouche propaganda more metal, but you could have done so much more :D

[nightwng2000]

"He's with Elvis, now..."


No, Elvis is not dead. He just went home.


My post was too short?

[kurisu7885]

You know...you guys are right.

In fact, to be honest, I think we could have done
a better job on the title and cover.

How do you like this one:

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/furrysmall.jpg

*bursts out laughing* Wow buddy, I doubt I can even begin to describe how rediculous that is. If you were aiming to piss me off, well, EPIC FAIL!!!!

[Soldat_Louis]

Anyway, here is the latest LaRouchite videogame-related article : (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/27/iraq-war-video-games-and-young-suicide-victims.html)


The Iraq War, Video Games and Young Suicidal Victims
by Carl Osgood

The problem of mental illnesses and suicides among veterans of the Iraq war is generally being treated as an epidemic of individual cases brought on by their traumatic experiences and the inability, or refusal, of the Pentagon and the Department of Veterans Affairs to appropriately deal with them. Recent findings expressed in a number of news reports and research studies, combined with the counter-intelligence work of the LaRouche Youth Movement on the addiction of youth to video games should suggest another possibility, however. LaRouchePAC and EIR have already published a great deal of research showing that the deployment of internet social networking sites and mass market homicidal videogames is producing an entire generation of zombies, such as evidenced by recent school shootings such as the massacre at Virginia Tech, last spring, and more recently, in Finland. What happens when young people already immersed in the video game culture of murder and mayhem are indoctrinated into the military and deployed into a real war? (See: The Noosphere vs. The Blogosphere: Is the Devil in your Laptop? (http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pdfs/071127-lpac_myspace.pdf))

One effect, clearly, has been the widely reported high rates of mental illness among veterans of the Iraq war. Some experts estimate that as many as one-third of the 1.5 million service members who have deployed to Iraq will suffer some sort of mental illness. Mental illnesses often first manifest themselves as disciplinary problems, however, and commanders often treat them as such. National Public Radio's Daniel Zwerdling looked into this problem and reported, on Nov. 15, that the Army has kicked out 28,000 soldiers for "misconduct" or "personality disorder" since 2003, far more than have been discharged for those reasons in the four years prior to the invasion of Iraq. The result is that soldiers leave the Army with less than honorable discharges and are ineligible for veterans and retirement benefits, including medical and psychiatric care.

These veterans are obviously at higher risk of experiencing almost everything that can go wrong in a person's life. Most often, they end up in the justice system, but suicide is also a great risk, including among veterans who left the military honorably and with the full range of benefits. There has been anecdotal evidence for some years that suicide was a major problem among veterans of the Iraq war, especially if they were reservists, but there was no information to indicate the magnitude of the problem, until CBS News dug into it in a report broadcast just one day before the NPR report. CBS was unable to get definitive figures from the Pentagon or the Department of Veterans Affairs so it turned to the states. The data provided by 45 states added up to 6,256 suicides among veterans in the year 2005 alone, an average of 120 per week. Overall, veterans were twice as likely to commit suicide as non-veterans. Veterans aged 20 to 24, that is, young veterans of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, were two to four times more likely to commit suicide as non-veterans from the same age group. Paul Sullivan, the executive director of Veterans for Common Sense, called this an epidemic. Sen. Patty Murray (D-Wash.) added that these figures show that we have really failed those who have served our country.

In fact, the results of the CBS research should not have come as that much of a surprise. Earlier data cited in a new report from the University of Michigan School of Public Health, published in the December 2007 issue of the American Journal of Public Health, shows that the prevalence of significant depressive symptoms among veterans is 31 percent, 2 to 5 times higher than in the general U.S. population. The Michigan study also found that the highest suicide rate was among younger rather than older veterans. The study suggests that "mental health professionals treating depressed veterans must be cognizant of these higher risks among younger veterans, who are perhaps particularly suffering from recent combat exposure...." The study found the same result among depressed veterans with a diagnosis of post traumatic stress disorder, indicating "that younger veterans may be a particularly high risk group..."

At least one veterans advocate thinks that the CBS numbers may actually be low. David Pelkey, national director of American Combat Veterans of War, an organization of Vietnam combat veterans that helps Marines at Camp Pendleton, California work through their combat experiences, and himself a highly decorated Vietnam War combat veteran, described, in a Nov. 19 interview, how many young Marines take to the highways at high speed, on their motorcycles, in an effort to recapture the adrenaline rush of combat. He considers this suicidal behavior, even though, if a Marine dies in a motorcycle accident as a result of racing on the highway, it will not be recorded as such. He noted that in one month, this year, there were some forty motorcycle accidents involving Marines at Camp Pendleton, and the reaction of the Marine Corps was to bring California State Highway Patrol officials onto the base to lecture Marines about motorcycle safety. "What they need to do is get to the core issue, which is the combat stress issue," Pelkey said. "That's what's pushing the whole thing."

One crucial difference between today's generation of veterans and those of the Vietnam War is that, in the 1960's there were no video games. While methods of training soldiers to break down the natural resistance to killing another human being were already in place at the time of Vietnam, today's young recruit is likely to have already killed hundreds of virtual bad guys in video games before he ever picks up a military-issued rifle for the first time. "If you're continually around killing and destruction and stuff like that, it kind of singes your conscience a little bit," says Pelkey. While young Iraq war veterans are showing up in courtrooms across the country far too frequently, there have been no reports, yet, of any massacres, outside of the war zone, being attributed to a war veteran. What are the chances that among this population there is a time-bomb waiting to go off?


Some remarks :
- They only mention video games in first and last paragraphs, and... that's all. They refer to a lot of reports and studies and link them to video games in the last paragraph, but they never ever prove that there is a link.
- The studies, reports and people they cite NEVER talk about video games. Even David Pelkey's last quote doesn't mention it.
- So, there were no video games in Vietnam ? But... but... what about the "murder simulator" theory ? What about the people who explicitly said that "video game technology was invented by the military to train soldiers to shoot to kill without hesitation on the Vietnam battlefield" ?

[Twin-Skies]

You know...you guys are right.

In fact, to be honest, I think we could have done
a better job on the title and cover.

How do you like this one:

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/email_images/furrysmall.jpg

No dice.

Maybe if it were a mecha musume or OS-tan...

[nightwng2000]

Anyway, here is the latest LaRouchite videogame-related article : (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/27/iraq-war-video-games-and-young-suicide-victims.html)



Some remarks :
- They only mention video games in first and last paragraphs, and... that's all. They refer to a lot of reports and studies and link them to video games in the last paragraph, but they never ever prove that there is a link.
- The studies, reports and people they cite NEVER talk about video games. Even David Pelkey's last quote doesn't mention it.
- So, there were no video games in Vietnam ? But... but... what about the "murder simulator" theory ? What about the people who explicitly said that "video game technology was invented by the military to train soldiers to shoot to kill without hesitation on the Vietnam battlefield" ?

As any decent brainwasher will tell you, cut off your victim from verifying information, drown them in confusion with a smattering of what SOUNDS LIKE intelligent information, but which is actually MISinformation, and make it convincing enough for your victim to blindly believe you. If they do, well, you've succeeded. If they don't, you'll need to drown them more in misinformation or, perhaps, even take it to a further level. Verbally and/or mentally abuse and berate the victim til they are more mentally susceptible to suggestion. That's the ideal place for a potential victim of brainwashing to be. Torn down and mentally broken. Then you can make the victim believe anything without the victim questioning what they are being told.

Sadly, it's also the tactic of a great many "deprogrammers". Tear the victim down again and insert (which makes it "reprogrammers" rather than "deprogrammers") your own beliefs and ideals.

[beemoh]

what SOUNDS LIKE intelligent information, but which is actually MISinformation

I think I've mentioned this before, but: "counter-intelligence".

[Demontestament]

Man I am beginning to think I am a crazy magnet. I walked over to the Ralphs next to my work to pull money out for lunch and what do I see in the middle of the parking lot? Two guys standing around a table with a large sigh that says "Impeach Cheny" I had to laugh to myself as I walked into the store. Sadly luck was not on my side when I walked out, one of them cut me off and asked if I wanted to toss Cheny out on his terrorist ass and improve America. I kindly told him I had to get back to the office but he wouldn't take no for an answer he kept going on and on about how he was a terrorist who is training today's youth to be sleeper cells to work for the British empire to bring down our moral values. I stopped and looked at him and said "Listen I know all about your loony cult leader and his hate filled rants. I am one of those so called "Sleeper Cell Assassins" since I am an avid gamer. Now if your insane theories are correct sir, why would I go against my master and have him impeached? You dips need to get it through your head that you are nothing but a cult that the rest of the country considered a walking joke, please step aside I need to get back to my job." As I kinda moved him aside he yelled to me that me and my kind would soon be at the heels of their moral betters. I laughed and turned around and said "Long live the queen chaps" and tried to get a pic of their board but they kept blocking the shot.

[Twin-Skies]

Man I am beginning to think I am a crazy magnet. I walked over to the Ralphs next to my work to pull money out for lunch and what do I see in the middle of the parking lot? Two guys standing around a table with a large sigh that says "Impeach Cheny" I had to laugh to myself as I walked into the store. Sadly luck was not on my side when I walked out, one of them cut me off and asked if I wanted to toss Cheny out on his terrorist ass and improve America. I kindly told him I had to get back to the office but he wouldn't take no for an answer he kept going on and on about how he was a terrorist who is training today's youth to be sleeper cells to work for the British empire to bring down our moral values. I stopped and looked at him and said "Listen I know all about your loony cult leader and his hate filled rants. I am one of those so called "Sleeper Cell Assassins" since I am an avid gamer. Now if your insane theories are correct sir, why would I go against my master and have him impeached? You dips need to get it through your head that you are nothing but a cult that the rest of the country considered a walking joke, please step aside I need to get back to my job." As I kinda moved him aside he yelled to me that me and my kind would soon be at the heels of their moral betters. I laughed and turned around and said "Long live the queen chaps" and tried to get a pic of their board but they kept blocking the shot.

Didn't you run into these guys before? Talk about bad luck:(
Nice to see you can handle them at least.

I probably would have stuck around to hear their rants:D

I'm surprised nobody tried to shoo them off the lot...

[kurisu7885]

Didn't you run into these guys before? Talk about bad luck:(
Nice to see you can handle them at least.

I probably would have stuck around to hear their rants:D

I'm surprised nobody tried to shoo them off the lot...

Unless they were, say, in front of a game store disrupting business,I doubt there was much that could be done.

[Demontestament]

Didn't you run into these guys before? Talk about bad luck:(
Nice to see you can handle them at least.

I probably would have stuck around to hear their rants:D

I'm surprised nobody tried to shoo them off the lot...

I had to get back to work or I more than likely would have while video taping the convo with my phone :D. Work sometimes gets in the way of my fun lol. And yes I did run into one other LaRouche Youth member before, he tried to start a fight with me and all I learned from it was he hit like a bitch.

[Soldat_Louis]

Well... it's not videogame-related, but this short excerpt (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/11/29/who-dalai-lama.html) of an article about the Dalai Lama is priceless. Just priceless :


In honor of President Merkel subjecting Germany to suicide by meeting with the Dalai Lama, thus undermining German relations with a leading trading partner in China, and President George W. Bush bestowing upon the Dalai Lama the Congressional Medal of Honor in October, and to those in the Congress who led this ignoble effort, we publish here a brief excerpt from a 1997 EIR article by Mike Billington and Paul Gallagher on the history of Tibet. The first section of the article, not included here, establishes the direct connection between the Tibetan tantric Buddhist sex cults and the Venetian-controlled hordes of Mongols who laid waste to Asia, Southwest Asia, and most of Europe in the 13th-14th Centuries.
(...)


And the conclusion of the article is about the role of... hehe, you guessed : the British Empire !