The Jack Thompson Thread

[Otacon]

Okay folks, here it is. The thread to discuss everything Thompson is here. However, GP doesn't want any harrasment and/or personal attacks. Discuss Thompson, but keep everything civil. Thanks. :)

[Theory?]

What's the deal with his hair. Why hasn't he shaved his head yet? The plumage...THE PLUMAGE!!!

[pixelante_ninja]

What I want to know is why when a kid was burnt, forced to have sex, and forced to shoot his own dog, he thinks videogames were a factor when he killed his father.

[Hank the Tank]

'Cause the video games obviously caused those other events.

[Otacon]

Jack's general strategy seems to be a mix of generalizing even the smallest details, overlooking important details, and outright lieing. I can't understand how he can make the assumptions he comes up with. It's like he's intentionally ignoring facts to further his agenda. Why is he so hostile to video games?

[nightwng2000]

And if anyone sees him try to connect violent video games to last week's Colorado school shooting by the 53 year old child molesting git or the shooting today at the Amish school, please let us know.

[Thefremen]

Who's running the pool on when this thread gets locked/deleted after Kuri says something nuts again?

[pixelante_ninja]

Well it might be awhile since I don't think Kuri is here yet, what did he say anyway I didn't keep up on the old Thompson threads.

[RaZor]

Since the events in Colorado and in the Amish communities weren't started by teens, there isn't much there that could be used for a civil suit against video game industries. The shooting of the principal in Wisconsin, however...

[Otacon]

Doesn't matter what age a person is, I gaurentee you that Jack will try and connect it to video games. It's pretty much his job to run around whinning about nothing.

[pixelante_ninja]

Ah, but when the culprits are older then 18 they can't use it to support legislation as it wouldn't affect them if it was enacted.

[Thefremen]

Always always someone would say "I don't like jack thompson I want him to go away I will concoct a brilliant scheme to do away with him permanently! Run-on sentences ftw!". That's what got the old threads dead.

That and Jack Thompson killed them with his lazer vision.

[pixelante_ninja]

Would it be a regular member or just some new guy? What were they on, the fourth thread, why didn't they just delete the offending post?

[Theory?]

It would be pretty funny if he tried to take on the Amish shooting.

Judge: Mr. Thompson what is your response to the fact that the Amish don't even have electricity, let alone video games?

Jack: YOU'RE IN CAHOOTS WITH THEM AREN'T YOU?! I'LL SUE YOUR ASS!

[pixelante_ninja]

But the shooter wasn't Amish, he wasn't even a student, he was a Milk Man, which I'm pretty sure the Amish don't have.

[Theory?]

Oh.

10char.

[nightwng2000]

It would be pretty funny if he tried to take on the Amish shooting.

Judge: Mr. Thompson what is your response to the fact that the Amish don't even have electricity, let alone video games?

Jack: YOU'RE IN CAHOOTS WITH THEM AREN'T YOU?! I'LL SUE YOUR ASS!

No, no, no, he'd accuse the judge of being a Liberal as with the Louisiana case.

[nightwng2000]

Didn't he blame the Montreal case on video games? Gill was in his 20s, wasn't he?

[BearDogg-X]

Didn't he blame the Montreal case on video games? Gill was in his 20s, wasn't he?

Jack would blame anything on video games, even for ridiculous stuff, like stubbing his toe on the sidewalk.

[Yukimura]

I don't think jacks current case, in NM or in Florida has much of a prayer. While the NM case is riddled with holes already, his bully case is different. It's based on lies and fabrications of the man bringing the case. Once disproven, the case will shatter almost at once.

So I'm not to worried about that. Heres the stuff I want some answers on .

1. Californa. Still no word on that. WTF!
2. Alabama. I find it hard to think the industry is just sitting around waiting for that to happen.
3. Lousiana. Industry has it dead, finish this one off and be done.
4. The 2 ratings bills, that whole Truth In ratings and Video game deceny crap. Why isn't the industry targeting them directly and trying to get the legs cut off of those two bills?

Those are the things we need to know.

[Anjin-San]

Here's a tracker right on the site:

http://www.gamepolitics.com/legislation.htm

[Yukimura]

hey all, was looking for something. A while back Jack commented about the judge on the Lousiana case, I was looking for that partciular comment if anyone could dig it up for me. I went through the archives but I just can't seem to pinpoint it. :confused:

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

[Thefremen]

hey all, was looking for something. A while back Jack commented about the judge on the Lousiana case, I was looking for that partciular comment if anyone could dig it up for me. I went through the archives but I just can't seem to pinpoint it. :confused:

Anyone know what I'm talking about?

I remember that. I tried to digg it up but no go.

[Tim Bickley]

It may well have been made with one of his LJ accounts that got deleted when LJ finall decided to take action against him...its unfortunate, a lot of great JT quotes have been lost in the ether due to that.

[nightwng2000]

Yuki,
http://gamepolitics.livejournal.com/356172.html

Is that the one?

[BearDogg-X]

So going back on the topic of Jacky Boy....

So which game makes Jack look even more foolish than he already is by attacking it:

Bully or Left Behind?

[Yukimura]

Nightwing, thats it.

Beardog I still say bully. When the court throws his case out, take 2 has every rtight to sue him for any number of violations, not to mention file more bar complaints.

[BeardedFerret]

The Sims 2.

[BearDogg-X]

I agree that it's Bully that will cause the most problems for Jacky Boy, as he's attacked that game much more than he has attacked the Left Behind one.

Take-Two could possibly sue Jack under the Lanham Act:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lanham_Act

Section 43(a)(1)(B) is also often utilized in law when false or misleading statements are alleged to have hurt a business. To be proven in court a claimant must satisfy 3 principles: There was a false or misleading statement made, the statement was used in commercial advertising or promotion, and the statement creates a likelihood of harm to the plaintiff.

Let's see, False and misleading statements are being made, which does create a likelihood of harm, and an argument can be made that going on 60 Minutes is promotion.

Just saying....

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Then to throw some gasoline into the fire, remember last week when Jacky Boy posted his press release before going out to New Mexico, claiming:

"the prosecutor of the kid who killed in this instance actually called Thompson and asked him to bring this lawsuit…"

Well, it appears that the prosecutor violated New Mexico law in doing so:

http://mountainmailcountry.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=777

New Mexico law prohibits district attorneys from doing private practice(even from giving legal advice). Since Jack claimed that Sandra Grisham “called and asked him to bring the lawsuit…”, it means that not only could Grisham be removed from office, but also the state of New Mexico could be held liable for the industry’s legal fees when the industry wins this case.

[MaskedPixelante]

I wonder if Jack could be held liable for this too, since he was asked to break New Mexico law by giving her the lawsuit in the first place. Just one more step into Jack's disbarrment if he could.

[nightwng2000]

She isn't the only one whose career may be in jeapordy if this is true:

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/29/the-political-game-video-games-made-me-do-it/3#comments

From Comment 110:
"Has Dennis McCauley interviewed the psychiatrist who examined Posey for nine hours. I have."
How and why?
If this comment IS written by John Bruce then there are a few questions to be asked:
John Bruce isn't Cody's attorney. John Bruce doesn't represent anyone with Power of Attorney for Cody.
There is no evidence that I know of that indicates that the psychiatrist that spoke with Cody was court ordered to speak to John Bruce.
So, how is it that John Bruce spoke to the psychiatrist regarding ANYTHING about Cody as any such discussion would violate Doctor/Patient privilage unless the court ordered it?

We know John Bruce lies about communicating with people (See the Robida case where he claims to have talked to investigators but the DA's office denied it).
We know that only an IP verification would confirm if the commenter was John Bruce.

Still, if certain conditions fall into place, there is a psychiatrist who may loose his license and John Bruce could feasibly loose his right to practice law in NM (I assume he is there as "co-counsel" the same as he was in Alabama?).

I wonder if Mark, the new NM attorney whose posted around here, is checking the forums out now. I'd like to know the truth of it. And we won't get the truth from John Bruce even if we asked.

[Thefremen]

Getting the truth from John Bruce is like getting blood from a stone: there is none there to begin with. :)

[Cecil475]

So Thompson talked with someone else using the Fisher-Price Phone

- Warren Lewis

[pixelante_ninja]

That or he was talking to the voices in his head again. He tends to do that in order to avoid recalling the pong incident.

[Beacon]

Jack doesn't bother with even a kernel of truth these days. I think he's under the delusion that no one's going to double check anything. While this might work to some extent in courts where people don't have the time to check or on TV where they simply don't care, the idea that his detractors on Joystiq aren't going to take a moment to see how wrong he is is laughable.

The most blatant example I have is here:
http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/28/dissecting-rockstars-formula-joystiq-previews-vice-city-storie/#c2284052
Today's review of Bully at ign.com makes it very clear that the game is just as violent as I have been saying.
This isn't a case of exagerrating the truth beyond recognition or anything like that. The preview (not a review) oddly isn't readily available at the moment, but you can find it here (http://ps2.ign.com/articles/736/736308p1.html). Far from supporting Thompson's claims of violence, the reviewer barely even mentions the prospect of violence. He's much more interested in the non-violent elements of the game, such as social interactions, playing catch, and the Halloween prank war stage.
I don't expect much from Thompson these days, but until this, I figured he'd at least have the decency not to make things up completely. I was wrong, however.

On a different note, something I'd like to confirm, if anyone can. Thompson has called Dennis out several times for not alerting us to the Bar complaint Dennis filed against Thompson. If I understand it correctly, however, the rules forbid Dennis of mentioning the complaint to anyone until after everything was resolved. Is this correct, or am I misunderstanding something?

[Tim Bickley]

The rules dont forbid Dennis from commenting on the Bar complaint (first amendment etc), however the advice on the florida bar website states that publically announcing that you have filed a bar complaint against a lawyer could be used as grounds for that lawyer to file a harrassment suit against you (and we all know that JT would jump at the chance).

I dont know if this is still the case now that the complaint has been dismissed...but with JT involved I think its wise not to give him any ammunition.

[kurisu7885]

The last thread wasn't closed because of me, I think.:confused:

Anyway, nothign short of shipping problems will stop the release of Bully. The only chance Thompson has is goign to the distribution center and sabotaging every truck there, possibly endagering lives[not like he would care, the game won't get released, therefore, he wins, for a while.] Which odds are he won't do.

And give nthe thread's main topic. http://www.gtaforums.com/html//emoticons/sign-thompson.gif

Dunno who made that, but thank you.:)

[kurisu7885]

The rules dont forbid Dennis from commenting on the Bar complaint (first amendment etc), however the advice on the florida bar website states that publically announcing that you have filed a bar complaint against a lawyer could be used as grounds for that lawyer to file a harrassment suit against you (and we all know that JT would jump at the chance).

I dont know if this is still the case now that the complaint has been dismissed...but with JT involved I think its wise not to give him any ammunition.

We never give him any. He's that little noob in out shooting games that sneaks into our base, steals ammo and sneaks off.

[Maxamegalon2000]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/miami-dade/cities_neighborhoods/coral_gables/15621009.htm yet. Now he's both an activist and a golfer!

[kurisu7885]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/miami-dade/cities_neighborhoods/coral_gables/15621009.htm yet. Now he's both an activist and a golfer!

He might be shocked to learn golf video games exist, fun ones, but odds are he'd deny their existance, saying someone photoshopped toger woods onto a game cover or something.

[Yukimura]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/miami-dade/cities_neighborhoods/coral_gables/15621009.htm yet. Now he's both an activist and a golfer!

He once stated he was addicted to golf. He should spend more time golfing and less time being a world class douchebag. :p

[kurisu7885]

He once stated he was addicted to golf. He should spend more time golfing and less time being a world class douchebag. :p

And someone should hook him up with a copy of Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2007.

[MaskedPixelante]

After listening to the new Weird Al cd, I found a song that perfectly describes our good buddy Jack. It's titled "I'll Sue Ya", and it's about a guy who makes a whole bunch of frivolous lawsuits because he can.

Lyrics are here at http://www.barglenawdlezouss.com/lyrics/sol/4.htm

When I hear this song, I immediately think of Jack.

[kurisu7885]

After listening to the new Weird Al cd, I found a song that perfectly describes our good buddy Jack. It's titled "I'll Sue Ya", and it's about a guy who makes a whole bunch of frivolous lawsuits because he can.

Lyrics are here at http://www.barglenawdlezouss.com/lyrics/sol/4.htm

When I hear this song, I immediately think of Jack.

I was playing True Crime Streets of LA today, and I got one call about soem anti video game activists that were startign to get violent, and right afterward I had to help recover a video game shipment.

And wouldn't ya know it, the first protester to take a swing at me was wearign a suit and had white hair.

[Grahamr]

I'm surprised no one's mentioned http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/news/local/states/florida/counties/miami-dade/cities_neighborhoods/coral_gables/15621009.htm yet. Now he's both an activist and a golfer!

You have got to be kidding me. you have got to be ***** kidding me.

[MaskedPixelante]

I was playing True Crime Streets of LA today, and I got one call about soem anti video game activists that were startign to get violent, and right afterward I had to help recover a video game shipment.

And wouldn't ya know it, the first protester to take a swing at me was wearign a suit and had white hair.

Oh, lets not forget the white haired activist from The Matrix - Path of Neo, who said that video game violence undermines family values.

[PyroHazard]

Jack would blame anything on video games, even for ridiculous stuff, like stubbing his toe on the sidewalk.


23. FOR IMMEDIATE NEWS RELEASE

10/04/06

Stubbed Toe Linked To Violent Videogame Murder Simulation Disc Thing


At 9:15am on the morning of October 4th, 2006. John Bruce Thompson was doing his usual routine of a powerwalk when he tripped and fell on the sidewalk due to a disc laying on the ground. Unbeknowist to John Bruce Thompson, the disc was actually a CD-R containing artwork and images derived from Rockstar's popular murder simulation game, "Grand Theft Auto".

Thompson, a moral and cultural crusader hailing from Miami, Florida e-mailed Sam Houser, the president of Rockstar Games and notorious child-porn peddler. In the e-mail, Thompson speaking in third person claimed that the artwork and violent images on the disc caused him to sprain his knee.

Like the coward Houser is, he has not replied back yet due to the possible implication that he is selling violent and pornographic material on the sidewalks of Manhattan where Take-Two's headquarters/evil lair are located.

To recap in case everyone has forgot, Jack Thompson has appeared on CNN, 60 Minutes (twice), and GamePolitics (100+ times) to discuss and inform the public about how evil and satanic the game industry really is. Just recently, Thompson was called into the New Mexico shootings involving Cody Posey, a 14-year-old gamer under the posession of Sam Houser's digital degrader, "Grand Theft Auto: Vice City".

Contact Jack Thompson at XXX-XXX-XXXX

Posted at 12:56PM on Oct 4th 2006 by jack thompson -2 stars


I can parodize Thompson's press releases all day. It's just so ripe for satire. :)

[RoL]

if you lined up the parodies, and the real news articles side by side, whould anyone know the difference?

...

I thought not.

[Beacon]

if you lined up the parodies, and the real news articles side by side, whould anyone know the difference?

...

I thought not.
I would know the difference!
...
PyroHazard has better grammar.

[kurisu7885]

The one time we woudl know the difference is if he was apologising. I remember back on LJ when theusername "jackissorry" posted with an apology, and we immediately called it BS. funn part is, if that was relaly him, we still woudln't believe him.

[nightwng2000]

Actually, I think Og Thompson's press releases were closer to John Bruce's press releases. :)

[MaskedPixelante]

Here's a good one... why hasn't Jack Thompson tried to link the Mark Foley incident to The Sims 2?

[KN]

Here's a good one... why hasn't Jack Thompson tried to link the Mark Foley incident to The Sims 2?

I think Jack finally realized his initial source for the 'pedophilic' content of the game was some guy who was just screwing with him.

True story

[MaskedPixelante]

I think Jack finally realized his initial source for the 'pedophilic' content of the game was some guy who was just screwing with him.

True story

That's true, but has Jack EVER let the truth get in the way of his statements? Plus, you CAN download mods like this, so Jack should have been able to make some statements regarding this.

Incidentally, I'm watching the Simpsons right now, it's the one where Marge protests Itchy and Scratchy for being too violent. Just seemed appropriate to bring up.

[kurisu7885]

That's true, but has Jack EVER let the truth get in the way of his statements? Plus, you CAN download mods like this, so Jack should have been able to make some statements regarding this.

Incidentally, I'm watching the Simpsons right now, it's the one where Marge protests Itchy and Scratchy for being too violent. Just seemed appropriate to bring up.

I remember that one. the show wasso heavily sanitized that it's ratings utterly failed a week later.

As for the mod, you CAN downloaid it, but don't have to, Jack would tote as if the mod has a patch to make the game run or it came with that content.

[MaskedPixelante]

I remember that one. the show wasso heavily sanitized that it's ratings utterly failed a week later.

As for the mod, you CAN downloaid it, but don't have to, Jack would tote as if the mod has a patch to make the game run or it came with that content.

Exactly. It's really just a matter of time before we hear Jack try to bring back his failed crusade against the Sims 2

[BearDogg-X]

Then again, he always brings back his failed crusades.

[Beacon]

Interesting point: In The Sims 2 and The Sims 2: University, there is a debug code you can use to adjust the pixelated area, even setting it all the way to zero. I actually prefer this, not because I like staring at barbie doll figures, but rather that I found the pixelation to be an extra barrier between me and the game. In The Sims 2: Nightlife, however, this debug code was removed. It's still possible for you to remove the pixelation, but now you need to hack the program, instead of just running some in-game debug codes.
This isn't a coincidence. Jack's spiel on the Sims was shortly after University was released, so I think it's safe to say that they removed that debug code to be safe. Of course, Jack was claiming there was fully detailed genetalia in the game, and that's complete BS.

[Devild]

Im still confused on his motives? Is he really trying to make the world a better place, or does he want money? Notice, on many occaisions, there is a demand of payment in his lawsuits. I would cite examples, but I am not on Wikipedia. Or, perhaps, he is a closet gamer, hence why else would he demand a copy of Bully before it goes on sale. :rolleyes:

And I will say, that if you look at his record, Mr. Thompson is one to hold a grudge and persue things on a personal level. I will say, if "the Lawyer" (The Real Phoenix Wright) is appointed to the case on defense, I will enjoy watching the sparks fly.

[Sigma_7]

This isn't a coincidence. Jack's spiel on the Sims was shortly after University was released, so I think it's safe to say that they removed that debug code to be safe.

I would doubt this... there's most likely some other reason behind it's removal. A more "official" explaination would be that the game now dynamically sizes the pixelation to cover the torso and upper legs, and that the old debug value would be made useless. I can't comment for sure since I don't have the game (it's not my type.)

I wouldn't say it's too difficult - modern models now contain information about individual body parts (thus removing the need for "hitboxes" in first person shooters).

Of course, Jack was claiming there was fully detailed genetalia in the game, and that's complete BS.

Actually, infomation was falsly seeded to him which stated that the game contained more graphical detail than what's normally available. Proof was screenshots taken from an "adult" mod. There's a webpage that details the e-mail discussion.

In theory, any easily modifable game will have adult mods - there's nothing that prevents it (aside from the availabiltiy of tools.) If you try to prevent mods (at least with PC games), you cut off the lifeblood of your game.

[MaskedPixelante]

I would doubt this... there's most likely some other reason behind it's removal. A more "official" explaination would be that the game now dynamically sizes the pixelation to cover the torso and upper legs, and that the old debug value would be made useless. I can't comment for sure since I don't have the game (it's not my type.)

I wouldn't say it's too difficult - modern models now contain information about individual body parts (thus removing the need for "hitboxes" in first person shooters).



Actually, infomation was falsly seeded to him which stated that the game contained more graphical detail than what's normally available. Proof was screenshots taken from an "adult" mod. There's a webpage that details the e-mail discussion.

In theory, any easily modifable game will have adult mods - there's nothing that prevents it (aside from the availabiltiy of tools.) If you try to prevent mods (at least with PC games), you cut off the lifeblood of your game.


Wasn't that by our good buddy Illspirit? I read that on Wikipedia during the Sims 2 thing.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.miami-dadeclerk.com/civil/docketinfo.asp?pCase_Year=2006&pCase_Seq=16311&pCase_Code=CA&pCase_Loc=01&id=AAAA8tAAHAAAkgKAAU

Argh! I need DETAILS! No specifics here, but I gotta... GOTTA know what's being said in these documents. :: whimpers ::

[Beacon]

Im still confused on his motives? Is he really trying to make the world a better place, or does he want money? Notice, on many occaisions, there is a demand of payment in his lawsuits. I would cite examples, but I am not on Wikipedia. Or, perhaps, he is a closet gamer, hence why else would he demand a copy of Bully before it goes on sale. :rolleyes:

And I will say, that if you look at his record, Mr. Thompson is one to hold a grudge and persue things on a personal level. I will say, if "the Lawyer" (The Real Phoenix Wright) is appointed to the case on defense, I will enjoy watching the sparks fly.
If I had to guess, I'd say Thompson's motive is fame. He just wants to be in the spotlight. If he really cared about children, he'd find a better way to help them. I don't think its money, either, since he hasn't actually won any of these claims yet.

Actually, infomation was falsly seeded to him which stated that the game contained more graphical detail than what's normally available. Proof was screenshots taken from an "adult" mod. There's a webpage that details the e-mail discussion.

In theory, any easily modifable game will have adult mods - there's nothing that prevents it (aside from the availabiltiy of tools.) If you try to prevent mods (at least with PC games), you cut off the lifeblood of your game.
I am aware of what led Jack to those conclusions in the first place. It doesn't change the fact that he was spouting BS because he was too busy to do some actual research.
As for adult mods... holding a game responsible for content added by mods would be like holding a camera company responsible because their products can be used in pornography.

[illspirit]

Bear in mind that I tried to warn Mr T that the naughty bits on the sims were another mod. I really wish I could have done a better job of that, but I didn't want to blow my cover either. :(

[kurisu7885]

Bear in mind that I tried to warn Mr T that the naughty bits on the sims were another mod. I really wish I could have done a better job of that, but I didn't want to blow my cover either. :(
It woudl have worked anyway man. He only hears what he wants to hear. Nice try though.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Always always someone would say "I don't like jack thompson I want him to go away I will concoct a brilliant scheme to do away with him permanently! Run-on sentences ftw!". That's what got the old threads dead.

That and Jack Thompson killed them with his lazer vision.

I've got a brilliant scheme: Wait. Eventually, his career and image will implode on its own. It's already started.

[illspirit]

It woudl have worked anyway man. He only hears what he wants to hear. Nice try though.

This is true. One could probably send him a link to one of those seriously XXX games with a note saying "look, there are porn games with sex," but his brain would parse it as "look, there are kids' games with sex." :p

[kurisu7885]

And it's even more disturbing that he got invited to that summit that Patricia Vance will also be attedning. She's pretty much the only industry rep attedning. Coincidence? I think not.

[kurisu7885]

This is true. One could probably send him a link to one of those seriously XXX games with a note saying "look, there are porn games with sex," but his brain would parse it as "look, there are kids' games with sex." :p

Such as activedolls, which needs a monthly subscription to see thereally naughty stuff, or Naughty American, which was cited at oen of those hearing, and there's soem others. Alot of those games aren't la lthat great, have poor graphics, or are nothign more than photo shoot games. Of course, kids everwhere have credit cards, so these areall easily accessible.

[Darth_Toxic]

NO noone shouldn't. IN fact no one should ever even mention something along those lines.... ever. As it will get comments deleted threads closed and bans issued.

Or, we could just not do it, and continue harmlessly bitching about Jacko like good little malchicks. [/save-my-ass-from-lawsuit_disclaimer]

[nightwng2000]

Taking out the quote but thanks for showing the futility nghtwng-Toll

Emailing/calling him is a waste of anyone's time. Proven time and again. Even such communication made in a completely emotionless, respectful manner had proven to be a waste of time long ago.

Heck, even public communication (such as on GP or Joystiq) proved to be a waste of time. His bigotry and ignorance towards those of the gamer community and game industry show he's about as likely to have an intelligent conversation as Fred Phelps is likely to have an intelligent conversation with a civil rights group on homosexuality.

Don't waste time communicating with him privately. You'd have better luck communicating with politicians. At least if you get a form letter, it's something vaguely intelligent to read.

[kurisu7885]

Don't waste time communicating with him privately. You'd have better luck communicating with politicians. At least if you get a form letter, it's something vaguely intelligent to read.

And at least they can make it though an entire paragraph, nay, two sentences without tossing an insult.

[BearDogg-X]

And it's even more disturbing that he got invited to that summit that Patricia Vance will also be attedning. She's pretty much the only industry rep attedning. Coincidence? I think not.

I think you're confusing the two summits.

Patricia Vance will be attending the NIMF's summit later this month.

Thompson claims to have gotten an invite to the White House's summit on school violence Tuesday in Chevy Chase, MD.(the invite looks fake to me, so I'll believe when it's confirmed by the people running the summit).

[Grahamr]

Vance will be assailed by every possible manner of anti-gamer,highly outnumbered and fighting for her reputation,wheras jack will get bored at his summit because he can't thompsonize the politicians,there just going to talk about school safety.

[Thefremen]

Vance will be assailed by every possible manner of anti-gamer,highly outnumbered and fighting for her reputation,wheras jack will get bored at his summit because he can't thompsonize the politicians,there just going to talk about school safety.

It would be funny to see all the times when he tries to turn the conversation to video games.

[KN]

It would be funny to see all the times when he tries to turn the conversation to video games.

I think the same amount of input would be received if they invited a robot that just yells "VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES" every three seconds.

Secondly, if you got that 'invitation' Jack showed us in your mailbox, would you even for one second believe it's genuine?

[Tim Bickley]

Jack wouldnt be so stupid as to lie about this invitation - and why would he lie about it anyway? If he wasnt invited he would have enjoyed writing letters accusing Bush etc of being bought out by Blank Rome/Takestar/Dennis and putting lives at risk by keeping him out.

According to this (http://www.contracostatimes.com/mld/cctimes/news/nation/15709416.htm) the guest list is quite extensive (federal officials, school workers, parents, police officials plus "experts") - it is very unlikely that everyone there will be giving proper talks, there will be probably be a few key players giving speeches and everyone else (including Jack) will sit and listen.

[Tim Bickley]

Oh look at this - Jack is spamming Joystiq with press releases again: link (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/09/some-bafta-winners-baffle-graw-is-game-of-the-year/#comments).

I just love the hyperbole - "Jack Thompson, will be in a Miami courtroom this Wednesday with the video game industry’s best and brightest lawyers as he seeks an injunction to stop the release to minors of the most dangerous video game ever made." (emphasis mine).

[nightwng2000]

Oh look at this - Jack is spamming Joystiq with press releases again: link (http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/09/some-bafta-winners-baffle-graw-is-game-of-the-year/#comments).

I just love the hyperbole - "Jack Thompson, will be in a Miami courtroom this Wednesday with the video game industry’s best and brightest lawyers as he seeks an injunction to stop the release to minors of the most dangerous video game ever made." (emphasis mine).

Looks like Joystiq pulled it. I see references by other commenters in reply to him, but no actual post by him.

[Tim Bickley]

Yeah they deleted it (for being off topic). It was basically a standard JT press release about his court date with Bully on wednesday. Nothing terribly interesting besides the hyperbole I quoted above - he seems to be basing his case around rhetoric, irrelevant information and "reviews" (he doesnt seem to understand the distinction between a "preview" and a "review"). Apparantly all the reviews show that he is right...which is odd because all the previews I have seen say completely the opposite.

[Beacon]

Emailing/calling him is a waste of anyone's time. Proven time and again. Even such communication made in a completely emotionless, respectful manner had proven to be a waste of time long ago.
If you want more proof, I emailed him a few weeks ago. I periodically try to be civil to him. This is mostly an excercise to confirm my superiority, but hey...
Anyway, here's what I emailed him:
Dear Jack Thompson,
I have a few questions I'd like to ask you, and I was hoping we could
have a civil discussion about these issues. I know you get upset about the
anonymity of the internet, so to avoid that barrier, my name is Brook Kuhn.
I'm a 26 year old computer programmer working at UCSD, assisting on a new
type of breast scan which will hopefully be able to detect cancers several
years sooner than standard mammograms can.
My first two questions deal with the Posey case in Albuquerque. How much
of an effect do you think video games had on Cody Posey, compared to the
lifetime of abuse he suffered at his father's hands? Considering all the
violence he came to know from his father, did he really need video games to
teach him violence? Furthermore, unlike the other cases you have linked to
video games, Cody did not start killing random innocent people. While I do
not condone his actions, Cody had a clear motive for wanting to kill his
father and step-mother. He wanted freedom from the abuse. I do not know
what his relationship with his step-sister is. She may have been a tragic
collateral damage, or perhaps Cody had legitimate reasons to feel anger at
her as well. To summarize, with such clear motives present, why do you feel
that video games are the ones responsible?
Furthermore, are you at all worried that the pursuit of this case could
trivialize child abuse? By placing the blame for Cody's decisions on video
games, rather than the abuse he suffered, Paul Posey is, in some ways,
exonerated from the horrible behavior he showed towards his own son.
My last question deals with the video game dispute at large. FBI
reports show that violent crime has been on the decline ever since the
release of the Playstation. If playing violent video games really does
increase violent behavior, doesn't it stand to reason that the effects are
negligible compared to other influences? If not, what do you believe is
causing violent crime to drop at such an extreme rate that the alleged
increase in violent crime caused by video games cannot keep up with it?

Thank you for your time. I hope I can recieve a response with the same
civility I have shown here.

And here's his response:
I have a psychiatrist who examined Posey who is going to testify that the game made the difference. So, what do you have? Nothing.

Part of me is slightly impressed. His email was terse, had a mildly insulting air about it, and really didn't answer any of my questions, but he didn't call me any names.

On another note, it's probably good that Joystiq is censoring him. I do kind of miss being able to laugh at his stupidity, but really, if he can't be on topic, he shouldn't be posting there.

[Darth_Toxic]

If you want more proof, I emailed him a few weeks ago. I periodically try to be civil to him. This is mostly an excercise to confirm my superiority, but hey...
Anyway, here's what I emailed him:
Dear Jack Thompson,
I have a few questions I'd like to ask you, and I was hoping we could
have a civil discussion about these issues. I know you get upset about the
anonymity of the internet, so to avoid that barrier, my name is Brook Kuhn.
I'm a 26 year old computer programmer working at UCSD, assisting on a new
type of breast scan which will hopefully be able to detect cancers several
years sooner than standard mammograms can.
My first two questions deal with the Posey case in Albuquerque. How much
of an effect do you think video games had on Cody Posey, compared to the
lifetime of abuse he suffered at his father's hands? Considering all the
violence he came to know from his father, did he really need video games to
teach him violence? Furthermore, unlike the other cases you have linked to
video games, Cody did not start killing random innocent people. While I do
not condone his actions, Cody had a clear motive for wanting to kill his
father and step-mother. He wanted freedom from the abuse. I do not know
what his relationship with his step-sister is. She may have been a tragic
collateral damage, or perhaps Cody had legitimate reasons to feel anger at
her as well. To summarize, with such clear motives present, why do you feel
that video games are the ones responsible?
Furthermore, are you at all worried that the pursuit of this case could
trivialize child abuse? By placing the blame for Cody's decisions on video
games, rather than the abuse he suffered, Paul Posey is, in some ways,
exonerated from the horrible behavior he showed towards his own son.
My last question deals with the video game dispute at large. FBI
reports show that violent crime has been on the decline ever since the
release of the Playstation. If playing violent video games really does
increase violent behavior, doesn't it stand to reason that the effects are
negligible compared to other influences? If not, what do you believe is
causing violent crime to drop at such an extreme rate that the alleged
increase in violent crime caused by video games cannot keep up with it?

Thank you for your time. I hope I can recieve a response with the same
civility I have shown here.

And here's his response:
I have a psychiatrist who examined Posey who is going to testify that the game made the difference. So, what do you have? Nothing.

Part of me is slightly impressed. His email was terse, had a mildly insulting air about it, and really didn't answer any of my questions, but he didn't call me any names.

On another note, it's probably good that Joystiq is censoring him. I do kind of miss being able to laugh at his stupidity, but really, if he can't be on topic, he shouldn't be posting there.


Words cannot express how irritated I am right now. I'd pull out that ol' YTMND that I've used a couple times, but I'm afraid I'll get modded.

[PyroHazard]

On another note, it's probably good that Joystiq is censoring him. I do kind of miss being able to laugh at his stupidity, but really, if he can't be on topic, he shouldn't be posting there.

...Or, they could indefinately IP ban him like that IGN editor. Then he won't have any sites left to troll.

[Cecil475]

...Or, they could indefinately IP ban him like that IGN editor. Then he won't have any sites left to troll.

What did they do?

-- Warren Lewis

[PyroHazard]

What did they do?

-- Warren Lewis

Some hackass hired by IGN (presumably an editor and/or disgruntled employee) went to Joystiq and basically bashed the blog news sites such as Kotaku, Joystiq yet subtley boasted how superior official gaming sites were. (Gamespy, IGN, Gamespot, etc etc)

I don't remember his screen handle but he didn't last long and neither should Mr. Thompson.

[Runefire]

And here's his response:
I have a psychiatrist who examined Posey who is going to testify that the game made the difference. So, what do you have? Nothing.


Interesting how he does not actually say HOW it made the difference. I guess he can not give away too much before the trial.

But still, I fail to see how a psychiatrist can say that especially with the large numbers of studies that have been done on child abuse and violent behaviour etc. Which in turn answers that 'what do you have?' bit. Answer: Lots.

[Beacon]

Interesting how he does not actually say HOW it made the difference. I guess he can not give away too much before the trial.

But still, I fail to see how a psychiatrist can say that especially with the large numbers of studies that have been done on child abuse and violent behaviour etc. Which in turn answers that 'what do you have?' bit. Answer: Lots.

One thing I certainly don't have is an answer to any of my questions. At best, I have an implicit answer to my first one (How much of an effect do you believe the video games had in comparison to the years of abuse). He vaguely implies that video games are the sole factor, which is complete BS. Even if video games were a significant factor, you can't just ignore the abuse.
My other questions were completely ignored.

[Thefremen]

One thing I certainly don't have is an answer to any of my questions. At best, I have an implicit answer to my first one (How much of an effect do you believe the video games had in comparison to the years of abuse). He vaguely implies that video games are the sole factor, which is complete BS. Even if video games were a significant factor, you can't just ignore the abuse.
My other questions were completely ignored.

He always does that, ignores questions that he can't answer and uses vague answers otherwise. And hyperbole.

[Beacon]

He always does that, ignores questions that he can't answer and uses vague answers otherwise. And hyperbole.
Never said it was surprising.

[nightwng2000]

http://ve3dboards.ign.com/general_news/b10496/25276590/p4

A little ways down, the blog owner reprints one of John Bruce's "press releases".

Oh yeah, this oughta be good.

The Wolfman Productions link, however, appears to not be working. Also, going to the main page, his debates aren't listed. Anyone else see it?
Despite that, the debates are pretty interesting that are listed.

[Grahamr]

Wha?!?! he's been on politicly incorrect? i think he was lying. because if he wasn't,we would have known about the tremendous can of unadulterated satirical whup-ass that Bill Maher would have unleashed on him.

and a college debate series...intresting....hopefully,a few smart students will show up and pwn him.


in a way,he's kind of an x-factor that could benefit or harry the efforts of either side in the debate..

[PyroHazard]

http://ve3dboards.ign.com/general_news/b10496/25276590/p4

A little ways down, the blog owner reprints one of John Bruce's "press releases".

Oh yeah, this oughta be good.

The Wolfman Productions link, however, appears to not be working. Also, going to the main page, his debates aren't listed. Anyone else see it?
Despite that, the debates are pretty interesting that are listed.

OH SNAP! The poster didn't take out Jack's email address! :eek:

Speaking of that, it's thoroughly ironic. :rolleyes:

[Tim Bickley]

The link doesnt work because it includes a full stop at the end - remove it and it works:

http://www.wolfmanproductions.com/game.debate.html

[nightwng2000]

The link doesnt work because it includes a full stop at the end - remove it and it works:

http://www.wolfmanproductions.com/game.debate.html

Thanks Tim, didn't even notice it. Still, it got me to go to the main page and check out the other debates. Those look more interesting.

[nightwng2000]

"Jack Thompson has been much in demand on college campuses, where he participates in debates on such issues as how popular culture products can cause, violence; censorship and the First Amendment; and other related issues. His work has already influenced the debate as the video game industry considers him its public enemy #1."

So.... any takers on this having been written by Thompson himself?
Public enemy #1? More like... ahem... I'm gonna behave, I'm gonna behave.

And that part of the sentence above "...participates in debates on such issues as how popular culture products can cause, violence; censorship and the First Amendment." That's written so badly it's actually funny. "popular culture products can cause censorship"? They can cause the First Amendment? Wow! :)
I know, it's screwed up, but it's still funny.

[Beacon]

He's still going on about that IGN review that he clearly didn't even read. He's gone from reading only what he wants out of an article to reading things that aren't even in the article. I worry for his sanity. Well... worry probably isn't the best term.

[Darth_Toxic]

Why worry, O my brothers? Let the chelloveck go gloopy (gloopier than present, anyway), and then we can smeck our arses off as he gets raped & tolchocked in the staja.

***THIS POST WRITTEN IN NADSAT FOR NO PARTICULAR REASON***

[Grahamr]

Wait,did he write his own bio on the wolfman site? that just seems.....falsified.

[Maxamegalon2000]

So, did anything come out of that White House thing about school safety that Thompson said he was attending? Nothing has come up in my daily Google News search for his name.

[nightwng2000]

So, did anything come out of that White House thing about school safety that Thompson said he was attending? Nothing has come up in my daily Google News search for his name.

In looking to find out if any news sources mentioned his name by using Google News Advanced Search (nothing on the summit), I came across these 2 stories that, if seen by him, would have him popping a few neck veins:

http://news.spong.com/article/10921/Canis+Canem+Edit:+15-Rated+?cb=505

http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/the-holy-bible/finally-a-game-that-deserves-villification-206496.php

I wanna see a video of his immediate initial reaction to seeing these two stories.

Especially the Kotaku one. :)

[nightwng2000]

Heh, someone on that IGN board I mentioned earlier used John Bruce's home address on www.zillow.com (http://www.zillow.com) and came up with an estimate for John Bruce's home. It's estimated at around $1.2 million. They also pointed out that, according to the picture shown, John Bruce's home is just about the only one without a pool.

That's the first I've heard about zillow and it looks pretty cool. Although not every address you put in gives a bird's eye view like it does when John Bruce's home and "business" address are put in, it's still pretty cool.

[Thefremen]

Heh, someone on that IGN board I mentioned earlier used John Bruce's home address on www.zillow.com (http://www.zillow.com) and came up with an estimate for John Bruce's home. It's estimated at around $1.2 million. They also pointed out that, according to the picture shown, John Bruce's home is just about the only one without a pool.

That's the first I've heard about zillow and it looks pretty cool. Although not every address you put in gives a bird's eye view like it does when John Bruce's home and "business" address are put in, it's still pretty cool.

Oh great, so when I tell my daughter that success in life requires one to have excellent command over the english language she'll have another example to counter me with besides George Bush, Dan Quayle, Gerald Ford, Hawaii's State Assembly (a recent bill passed contained an error in puncuation which completely changed the meaning of it), and every Rapper ever.

[SlyFox]

Oh great, so when I tell my daughter that success in life requires one to have excellent command over the english language she'll have another example to counter me with besides George Bush, Dan Quayle, Gerald Ford, Hawaii's State Assembly (a recent bill passed contained an error in puncuation which completely changed the meaning of it), and every Rapper ever.

When she has that many people/examples to counter you with on that one point, I don't think one more example is going to really matter - she will still have you outgunned... at which time you might have to pull out the bigs: "I'm your father and when you're 18, you're out the door, but until then what I say is gospel!":p

[nightwng2000]

Oh great, so when I tell my daughter that success in life requires one to have excellent command over the english language she'll have another example to counter me with besides George Bush, Dan Quayle, Gerald Ford, Hawaii's State Assembly (a recent bill passed contained an error in puncuation which completely changed the meaning of it), and every Rapper ever.

Along the lines of that bill is this also:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15213622/

[Thefremen]

Along the lines of that bill is this also:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15213622/

Wow...that's much much much worse! I mean, lots of people make grammatical errors, like saying that video games cause first amendments, but that's just a whole nother level.

[Beacon]

Has Jack shown up on Joystiq since they started taking down his off-topic posts? Does anyone know where else he spreads his spam? I'm kinda curious if he's had time to make any of his "press releases" lately.

[nightwng2000]

Here are a few other interesting stories along the same vein:

http://news.spong.com/article/10929
(hit "click here to continue" to go to the story).

http://games.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/11/2317228
(Slashdot!)

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/288401_msftparents12.html
(Not Bully, but an interesting article which includes John Bruce comments.)

[cyn1c42]

Now that the Judge ruled against him and the LA bill was thrown out, what will his next antigame approach be?

[jdmdsp911]

He still has that schlock of a wrongful death suit in New Mexico. At least until he is once again thrown out and his Pro Hoc Vice is revoked there like it was in Alabama.

[Dagrak]

Surely Rockstar now has legal grounds to get him for harrasment as this is just getting silly.

[KN]

This is where Jack will attempt to get someone to rule him losing cases unconstitutional. It's not entirely out of the question, as in 1992, he attempted to have the Florida Bar Association ITSELF ruled unconstitutional for "engaged in a vendetta against him because of his religious beliefs, which [he said] conflict with [what he called] the bar’s pro-gay, humanist, liberal agenda".

Somehow he managed to get 20.000 dollars out of that, but it's still one of the funniest things I've read today.

[Grahamr]

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Destroyed
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Slautered
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Pimp-slapped
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((Come on,people! tell me more phrases like this! i'll add to it!))

[BearDogg-X]

What a crybaby.

Whipped.
Flattened.

[nightwng2000]

I don't know what happened to them, but I hope HilaryDuffGTA and Catch_33 are hearing about all this.

[PyroHazard]

((Come on,people! tell me more phrases like this! i'll add to it!"

Snuffed, Gutted, Bitch-Slapped, Pimp-Slapped, Whacked, Smacked, Severed, Knocked Out, Wiped Out, Silenced, Suppressed, Censored, Ceased, Erased, Erradicated, Swamped, Stomped, Screwed, and my personal favorite, ****ed Up Beyond All Recognition (FUBAR!)

[Grahamr]

Owned
Pwned
Wasted
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Punk'd
Destroyed
Iced
Smoked
Raped
Slautered
86ed
Noobed
Overwhelmed
Routed
Whipped
Flattened
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Screwed
FUBARed
Leeched(Originally,this is a term i invented for Mutants who were cure-gunned by Goverment soldiers in X3. the cure kid mutant is named leeched.)
Zapped
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OMGWTFed
ZOMGWTFed
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((Come on,people! tell me more phrases like this! i'll add to it!))

Updated. added some of my own too.

[Thefremen]

Well, in that one court he got eighty-sixed.

[Lost Watcher]

>_> <_<

Jack Thompson keeping gamers entertained since 1997.



Anywho, doesn't anyone here think the fits he throws seems a bit childish for a grown man?

[Darth_Toxic]

He's been tolchocked and slimed.

[nightwng2000]

Broken News:
Faux News - Miami, FL
Emergency crews were called to the edge of a well-to-do neighbor on Friday, October 13, 2006.

Pouring from this neighborhood was a massive amount of smoke, shaking ground, and very high temperatures. But no apparent fire could be seen and no sounds of explosions were immediately heard.

It was several hours before emergency crews could pass into the neighborhood. Though there were no visible signs of fire damage int he neighborhood, there was property damage, apparently from the massive amounts of shaking ground.

As the smoke began to clear, emergency crews found their way to the center of the area of disaster, approximately four blocks in diameter.

Reports say at the center was what remained of the home of outspoken attorney Thomas "Tommy" Johnson, best known in some circles as the "Miami Moron" or "Terrible Tommy". His crusades against music he thinks is too loud, TV that have too many bad shows to chose the best of the worst, and video games that have 64,000 colors and 63,999 or those colors are offensive.

The home is now nothing more than rubble and Tommy was found lying in a 20 foot deep pit. Apparently, the pit was created after a day of bad luck in the courts trying to prevent production of a new video game which used 32 million colors. Tommy has been crusading against the game for the last year, stating that 32 million and 1 colors of that game were offensive and harmful to children and that seeing anything at all promoted free thought. Tommy had come home outraged and began jumping up and down in anger, the repetition of which eventually caused a minor earthquake.

The smoke the neighborhood had been bathed in was generated from the smoke that had poured from his ears.

The heat that initially prevented entrance into the neighborhood was caused by the hours of curses and name calling that Tommy screamed at no one in particular.

Tommy's tanturm, and the environmental assault on the neighborhood, came to an end when someone clothed in a radiation suit (lord only knows why someone in the neighborhood had one of those) disabled Tommy's mental process by using a slingshot loaded with a page from a coloring book and shooting Tommy in the arse. How that disabled Tommy's mental process isn't quite clear. Nevertheless, Tommy passed out and the environment slowly returned to a place where emergency crews could enter.

Tommy has been taken to a local hospital, whether to the psychiatric ward or intensive care is unclear based on mixed information produced by various medical personnel.

Faux News will have more on this event and on the recovery of the neighborhood in later news broadcasts.

I'm Larry Dewey. My Cameraman was Philip Cheatham. And our producer was Melissa Howe.

[BearDogg-X]

>_> <_<

Jack Thompson keeping gamers entertained since 1997.



Anywho, doesn't anyone here think the fits he throws seems a bit childish for a grown man?

Yeah, since he's acting like a five-year old who didn't get the candy bar he wanted.

ETA: Judges- making Jack Thompson look retarded since 1999.

[Samson Effect]

Owned
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Wasted
Served
Punk'd
Destroyed
Iced
Smoked
Raped
Slautered
86ed
Noobed
Overwhelmed
Routed
Whipped
Flattened
Snuffed
Gutted
Bitch-slapped
Pimp-slapped
Whacked
Smacked
Severed
Knocked out
Wiped out
Scilenced(Not really. if anything,just the opisite)
Supressed
Censored
Ceased
Erased
Eradicated
Swamped
Stomped
Screwed
FUBARed
Leeched(Originally,this is a term i invented for Mutants who were cure-gunned by Goverment soldiers in X3. the cure kid mutant is named leeched.)
Zapped
Ganked
OMGWTFed
ZOMGWTFed

((Come on,people! tell me more phrases like this! i'll add to it!))

How about "Torched, reamed, tooled, torqued, and fustigated?"

[jdmdsp911]

Nightwng, your "press release" was hilarious. Unfortunately my mouth was full of Apple Cider at the time and now my monitor is a big sticky mess. :D

[Grahamr]

Owned
Pwned
Wasted
Served
Punk'd
Destroyed
Iced
Smoked
Raped
Slautered
86ed
Noobed
Overwhelmed
Routed
Whipped
Flattened
Snuffed
Gutted
Bitch-slapped
Pimp-slapped
Whacked
Smacked
Severed
Knocked out
Wiped out
Scilenced(Not really. if anything,just the opisite)
Supressed
Censored
Ceased
Erased
Eradicated
Swamped
Stomped
Screwed
FUBARed
Leeched(Originally,this is a term i invented for Mutants who were cure-gunned by Goverment soldiers in X3. the cure kid mutant is named leeched.)
Zapped
Ganked
OMGWTFed
ZOMGWTFed
Tolchoked
Slimed
Torched
Reamed
Tooled
Torqued
Fustigated

((Come on,people! tell me more phrases like this! i'll add to it!))

Here's a few more.

[Yukimura]

Ok, I'm just testing my New avatar, lemme know what yall think.

Secondly, didn't thompson say he would Drop the case and no argue it at all if the judge ruled against him? and if so, does the industry have any recourse now that he's not only lied to the media but to them and the judge?

ANd what about the judge, does he have recourse after that slanderous garbage JT spewed after his loss?

I"m just curious.

[Lost Watcher]

The Judge prolly filed a complaint.

[jdmdsp911]

I don't think that there is any real discourse against him for him changing his mind. All it does is make him look like the tool we all know him to be. Honestly though, did you really think that he stick to what he said?

[DarkEyedCloud]

Ok, I'm just testing my New avatar, lemme know what yall think.

Secondly, didn't thompson say he would Drop the case and no argue it at all if the judge ruled against him? and if so, does the industry have any recourse now that he's not only lied to the media but to them and the judge?

ANd what about the judge, does he have recourse after that slanderous garbage JT spewed after his loss?

I"m just curious.

Since it's technically slander, the Judge could have him held in contempt (in theory.) I think that Thompson did the most amount of damage he could have done to himself. There's nothing anybody can say that won't make him look stupider than his own words.

What an idiot.

[MaskedPixelante]

the only thing I heard about on that one was that he'd drop the suit if he got a copy of Bully early, but then again, that's just me.

[Cecil475]

Ok, I'm just testing my New avatar, lemme know what yall think.

Secondly, didn't thompson say he would Drop the case and no argue it at all if the judge ruled against him? and if so, does the industry have any recourse now that he's not only lied to the media but to them and the judge?

ANd what about the judge, does he have recourse after that slanderous garbage JT spewed after his loss?

I"m just curious.

It looks very...VG Cats. Oh wait, it IS VG Cats!

Looks good. Might do with a new one myself.

- Warren Lewis

[Beacon]

Secondly, didn't thompson say he would Drop the case and no argue it at all if the judge ruled against him? and if so, does the industry have any recourse now that he's not only lied to the media but to them and the judge?
I'm actually going to ::shudders:: defend Thompson for a moment. He said he'd drop it, but from his point of view, the judge did not view the game sufficiently to judge a ruling. Think about if a safety inspector said he was going to check the entire kitchen, but decided it was safe after looking at only one oven.
Now, you and I know that video games tend to be very stable in their content. If you're not shocked and disgusted in the first couple of hours, you probably won't be for the rest of the game.

@ Cecil
I love it. In particular, I think the "Faux News" is a terrific pun.

@ Grahamr
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Nuked

[Yukimura]

It looks very...VG Cats. Oh wait, it IS VG Cats!

Looks good. Might do with a new one myself.

- Warren Lewis


Thanks, I wanted an AV that was silly and non violent. And it's better then my old one, which was a clip from the Old Dawn of the dead movie.

[Grahamr]

Owned
Pwned
Wasted
Served
Punk'd
Destroyed
Iced
Smoked
Raped
Slautered
86ed
Noobed
Overwhelmed
Routed
Whipped
Flattened
Snuffed
Gutted
Bitch-slapped
Pimp-slapped
Whacked
Smacked
Severed
Knocked out
Wiped out
Scilenced(Not really. if anything,just the opisite)
Supressed
Censored
Ceased
Erased
Eradicated
Swamped
Stomped
Screwed
FUBARed
Leeched(Originally,this is a term i invented for Mutants who were cure-gunned by Goverment soldiers in X3. the cure kid mutant is named leeched.)
Zapped
Ganked
OMGWTFed
ZOMGWTFed
Tolchoked
Slimed
Torched
Reamed
Tooled
Torqued
Fustigated
Sniped
Gibbed
Toasted
Burned
Nuked
((Come on,people! tell me more phrases like this! i'll add to it!))

Here's another update. mmmm....i wonder what he's up to now? after getting(insert above words),he's either hiding,or thinking of another plan...

[Darth_Toxic]

He's sitting at the tip-top of Mount Crumpit with his dog Max.

[Cecil475]

Thanks, I wanted an AV that was silly and non violent. And it's better then my old one, which was a clip from the Old Dawn of the dead movie.

Might edit the one of pic I posted recently and turn it into a AV.

- Warren Lewis

(edit - grammar)

[Thefremen]

Mmmm...no new word from JT?

I'm surprised we haven't heard something like...

For immediate release:

This past Friday Jack Thompson made a complete ass of himself in court and then sent out an email in which Jack Thompson sounded like a petulant child.

Don't worry about Jack Thompson though, because Jack Thompson has a plan for a final conflict to settle the score once and for all: Jack Thompson will fight Ace Attourney Pheonix Wright and Harvey Birdman in a three way cage match! Three men enter, one man leaves...it will be Jack Thompson, tust me! Hoah!

[Yukimura]

Mmmm...no new word from JT?

I'm surprised we haven't heard something like...

For immediate release:

This past Friday Jack Thompson made a complete ass of himself in court and then sent out an email in which Jack Thompson sounded like a petulant child.

Don't worry about Jack Thompson though, because Jack Thompson has a plan for a final conflict to settle the score once and for all: Jack Thompson will fight Ace Attourney Pheonix Wright and Harvey Birdman in a three way cage match! Three men enter, one man leaves...it will be Jack Thompson, tust me! Hoah!


But jack thompson couldn't beat a five year old in a cage match, let alone a young man and a super hero. Hell, I could whip him in a cage match in no time flat.

[BearDogg-X]

After watching Veronica Mars tonight, I noticed that Ed Begley, Jr. bears a striking resemblence to the Metropolitian Moron of Miami.

[nightwng2000]

After watching Veronica Mars tonight, I noticed that Ed Begley, Jr. bears a striking resemblence to the Metropolitian Moron of Miami.

Not as much as that lawyer on Law & Order whose character seems to actually embody John Bruce's own personality. I sometimes wonder if the actor studied his part by studying John Bruce.

I think the character once argued against violent TV (and maybe once argued against violent video games).

The actor's name is Barry Bostwick. And although he doesn't look exactly like John Bruce, he's got that personality down in the show.

Follow up:
Law & Order: SVU
Character Attorney Oliver Gates
Episodes:
Hate -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629663/
Poison -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629704/
Game (the video game episode) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629657/
Gone -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760910/

He's a good actor. Makes you really ticked off at defense attornies.

[nightwng2000]

http://cbs3.com/topstories/local_story_290182537.html

""Trailers of the game that are now on the internet show incredible levels of violence with baseball bats, cricket bats, and white students dunking African American kids heads in dirty toilets," said Attorney Jack Thompson, who is against the game's release. "

Don'cha just love it when he tries to play the race card to encourage race groups to get involved?

"According to studies done by FBI and Secret Service, the common denominator in school shootings is violent entertainment, most notably video games"

Really?

[Grahamr]

http://cbs3.com/topstories/local_story_290182537.html


Don'cha just love it when he tries to play the race card to encourage race groups to get involved?

It's possible that this is how he allied himself with the peaceaholics.

in the game,there are white people.

and in the game,there are black people.

and people fight.

JT isolated a paticular incident and turned it into a "OMG RACIST!!!" rallying call.

Until i see jimmy hopkins dunking a black kid's head in the toilet WHILE YELLING"White power!" i won't belive that.

[Jabrwock]

"According to studies done by FBI and Secret Service, the common denominator in school shootings is violent entertainment, most notably video games"

Really?

Secret Service Safe School Initiative Final Report
http://www.secretservice.gov/ntac/ssi_final_report.pdf

Finding
Over half of the attackers demonstrated some interest in violence, through movies, video games, books, and other media (59 percent, n=24). However, there was no one common type of interest in violence indicated. Instead, the attackers’ interest in violent themes took various forms.

Explanation
• Approximately one-quarter of the attackers had exhibited an interest in violent movies (27 percent, n=11).
• Approximately one-quarter of the attackers had exhibited an interest in violent books (24 percent, n=10).
• One-eighth of the attackers exhibited an interest in violent video games (12 percent, n=5).
• The largest group of attackers exhibited an interest in violence in their own writings, such as poems, essays or journal entries (37 percent, n=15).

He's using clever wording to try to fool the average viewer into thinking "most notable" = "most". "most" attackers who took and interest in violent media preferred their own violent writings. Movies is next, followed by books, then video games is dead last.

So of the 59% of shooters who were interested violent media, only 12% of that were interested violent games, so that's less than 8% of all school shootings that can be correlated with an "interest" in violent video games.

Hence why the SS decided not to include any such stats in any "profile."

[nightwng2000]

Thanks Jabrwock. :)


And on more John Bruce activities:

http://www.destructoid.com/g4-sends-dtoid-a-shot-out-thompson-update

All I gotta say right now is :: burrrrrrp ::

[Tim Bickley]

He really does have a thing about slingshots doesnt he? Can any of our resident legal experts comment on whether his latest motion has any merit?

Also, I looked up the CNN report he mentions in the motion - clicky (http://search.cnn.com/pages/search.jsp?query=bully), its in the green "watch" box. It contains what must be a contender for "most asinine JT metaphor of the week": "saying that this game isnt violent is like saying a revolver isnt dangerous because it only holds six rounds".

Yeah, Jack, whatever you say :p

[Darth_Toxic]

Not as much as that lawyer on Law & Order whose character seems to actually embody John Bruce's own personality. I sometimes wonder if the actor studied his part by studying John Bruce.

I think the character once argued against violent TV (and maybe once argued against violent video games).

The actor's name is Barry Bostwick. And although he doesn't look exactly like John Bruce, he's got that personality down in the show.

Follow up:
Law & Order: SVU
Character Attorney Oliver Gates
Episodes:
Hate -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629663/
Poison -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629704/
Game (the video game episode) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629657/
Gone -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760910/

He's a good actor. Makes you really ticked off at defense attornies.

Jack has actually bragged a few times about being portrayed on Law & Order: SVU. Instead of JUST touting his sixty minutes appearance, he would sometimes go "I was on Sixty Minutes, and I was portrayed multiple times on the hit television show, Law & Order."

[nightwng2000]

Thanks Jabrwock. :)


And on more John Bruce activities:

http://www.destructoid.com/g4-sends-dtoid-a-shot-out-thompson-update

All I gotta say right now is :: burrrrrrp ::

Ok, here's what I put on Destructoid (the reference to Monte is in reference to a comment there from Monte):

"...firing deadly projectiles at high school football players ..."
"....and the player falls to the ground in a heap, unconscious."

I guess they weren't so deadly then, huh?

"The Court was fooled. It was duped. It was hoodwinked..."

Pot, kettle, all that.

"In fact, if Take-Two did not show the Court this slingshot attack on a
football player, then it has demonstrably engaged in fraud,..."

Really?? Does that mean someone who has referred to a video game as a "murder simulator" and "Columbine simulator" that does not contain the
ability for a player character to "kill" an NPC, does not involve guns or
explosives, and does not even include blood or gore... does that mean that THAT person has ALSO committed fraud?

Or is that person not meant to be held responsible for their actions
because their God approves of lies, deceit, and fraud? That person has,
after all, referred to themselves as a "Warrior of God" and therefore their
actions must represent the will of their God. So, what kind of God
approves of lies, deceit, and fraud? Hmmm.....

"The American Psychological Association found last August that there is a
direct causal link between the type of behavior we saw in the game and the play by young men that age of violent video games. "

Ah, what was that you were saying about lying and deceit and FRAUD?
The APA made it clear that there is NO CAUSAL LINK.

"If you ask your respective head football coaches to inquire of their
players, they will find that a stunning number of them play these specific
violent “beat down” genre games. "

If you ask a great many individuals who commit the act of abuse (physical, verbal, mental, and even sexual) in and out of schools as well as the authority figures who ignore or even encourage that abuse if they are Christians, a great many will say "yes". Should we then link Christianity to all acts of abuse in and out of schools?

"It is appropriate that you are all males, because men generally can’t figure this stuff out."

John Bruce is the living embodiment of "Bigots are not ignorant about merely one group of humans but routinely prove to be bigoted against a great many groups of humans." John Bruce has shown bigotry against homosexuals, people not of his religious belief, racial/cultural groups, and now a gender bigoted viewpoint. Being a member of that group doesn't make him immune from making bigoted, ignorant comments about individuals within that group.

"...Columbine simulator."

Again, the use of a FRAUDLANT term.

"...and dunking heads into dirty toilets..."

What, no reference to race this time? No race group to mislead in this group, eh?

Also, Monte, while they pointed out an increase in "aggressive behavior", they did not clarify what that "aggression" was. Aggression comes in many forms. Aggressive feelings come from frustration, from challenges, from anger, even from a natural personality that would allow an individual to be quicker to feel aggressive than another individual. Indeed, one thing that wasn't pointed out was that an individual can be in a very heated debate and have aggressive feelings during the debate (or may only be an observer of the debate and feel aggressive) and they may not have violent desires. John Bruce, of course, ignores these facts.

Indeed, the game itself may not be the cause of the aggressive feelings but rather the other aspects which could occur in other situations (such as feeling aggressive in a challenge of solving a mission in a video game, the challenge of winning a physical sport (such as football) and the challenge of a verbal debate). In the aforementioned situations, the CHALLENGE is what inspires the aggressive feeling, not what the challenges are specifically.

[Yukimura]

Night

Yeah, see, you make my case for me.

This is why I so strongly advocate a legal counter action to the media.

I konw, I know, it might make the industry seem mean, but the fact is, playing nice nice with these idiots is what got us here in the first place.

So, if they aren't gonna do there jobs, i say, well, lets make them pay for it.

Since they won't do what they are supposed to, I say lets get them in court and make them pay. Sure, it might make the public a little angry, but it'll make the media, and the politicians ,a lot less likely to attack someone when they know they can fight back.

As for thompson, if the Industry doesn't do everything in it's power to get him disbarred and bankrupted, then the ESA needs to fire it's leaders.

I intend to join the ECA, and to write a very strongly worded letter to Hal about this.

[BearDogg-X]

Thanks Jabrwock. :)


And on more John Bruce activities:

http://www.destructoid.com/g4-sends-dtoid-a-shot-out-thompson-update

All I gotta say right now is :: burrrrrrp ::

That letter he sent to the University of Miami really makes him look like a retard, considering that the U has a history of fighting and trying to instigate fights[examples: fighting with LSU players in the tunnels of the Georgia Dome after LSU whipped Miami 40-3 in the Peach Bowl last December, stomping on Louisville's logo on the 50-yard line before the game in Louisville(Louisville won 36-7)].

And any college football fan will tell you that it ain't recent history either. Back in 1991, The Rock went after the San Diego State mascot during a game(which The Rock details in his book "The Rock Says..."). If the University of Miami was really serious about not tolerating behavior like that fight Saturday night, they would have kicked the player that swung his helmet at other players off the team instead of indefinitely suspending him(which, as one sports columnist wrote, tells people that the University of Miami condones that behavior, as Florida International kicked the two main instigators of the brawl off their team).

[Grahamr]

http://jackwho.ytmnd.com/
http://ggjack.ytmnd.com/
http://pennyown.ytmnd.com/
http://sociopath.ytmnd.com/
http://thompsonfails.ytmnd.com/
http://jackthompsonowned.ytmnd.com/
http://callingjackthompson.ytmnd.com/
http://payattensiontome.ytmnd.com/
http://jackthompson.ytmnd.com/
http://spooie.ytmnd.com/
http://sealthompson.ytmnd.com/
http://lyingbastardgotpwned.ytmnd.com/
http://jackhatesgames.ytmnd.com/

[Dagrak]

Not as much as that lawyer on Law & Order whose character seems to actually embody John Bruce's own personality. I sometimes wonder if the actor studied his part by studying John Bruce.

I think the character once argued against violent TV (and maybe once argued against violent video games).

The actor's name is Barry Bostwick. And although he doesn't look exactly like John Bruce, he's got that personality down in the show.

Follow up:
Law & Order: SVU
Character Attorney Oliver Gates
Episodes:
Hate -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629663/
Poison -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629704/
Game (the video game episode) -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0629657/
Gone -- http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0760910/

He's a good actor. Makes you really ticked off at defense attornies.

The question is, did Jack once end up in a corset, suspenders and fish net stockings too? (Rocky Horror Picture show ftw!)

[Michael James Nock]

O.K., That is a image I really don't want in my head.

[Dagrak]

O.K., That is a image I really don't want in my head.

My work here is done.

[Thefremen]

"You are broke and I will fix you"

JT said this in his latest email. I'm sorry, I know that he's a special person and he was on 60 minutes and CHIPs and Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Sealab 2021 but doesn't that line sounds like something someone who is trying to impress Jodie Foster would say?

[kurisu7885]

"You are broke and I will fix you"

JT said this in his latest email. I'm sorry, I know that he's a special person and he was on 60 minutes and CHIPs and Aqua Teen Hunger Force and Sealab 2021 but doesn't that line sounds like something someone who is trying to impress Jodie Foster would say?

Or someone in the mafia who's trying to intimidate someone would say.

[kurisu7885]

...Or, they could indefinately IP ban him like that IGN editor. Then he won't have any sites left to troll.

He'd just find another, or threaten to sue for free speech rights.

[KN]

Rocky Horror Picture Show

I love you and want to have your babies

[kurisu7885]

I love you and want to have your babies

How I missed your antics KN.

[KN]

How I missed your antics KN.

^______________________^

[Thefremen]

Ya know, I just realized that if you copy/pasted one of his emails to pat vance or doug e fresh back to jt, he would most likely turn you into the police claiming you're threatening his life, and criticize your poor grammar and use of urban/gamer slang.

[MaskedPixelante]

Ya know, I just realized that if you copy/pasted one of his emails to pat vance or doug e fresh back to jt, he would most likely turn you into the police claiming you're threatening his life, and criticize your poor grammar and use of urban/gamer slang.

I wouldn't doubt that for a second. He appears to not have a very large attention span. That... could explain to much really. When he was watching Bully, he sorta... zoned out... and then pieced together an idea of what he saw that was worse than what really happened.

[kurisu7885]

Ya know, I just realized that if you copy/pasted one of his emails to pat vance or doug e fresh back to jt, he would most likely turn you into the police claiming you're threatening his life, and criticize your poor grammar and use of urban/gamer slang.

No professional I know would use the word pwned in an email to someone who runs a well know organization, then again, according to him anyoen in the industry has the same IQ as their customers, zero.

[jdmdsp911]

then again, according to him anyoen in the industry has the same IQ as their customers, zero.

That would still mean they have a higher IQ than he does. The more I play Bully, the more I think that this is the game that will remove him from the debate. It has already showed made him look like a fool in court and in the media. Even if the main stream media seems to be ignoring the truth of the game.

[Grahamr]

"You are broke and I will fix you"

Maybe it has sexual implications.

[kurisu7885]

That would still mean they have a higher IQ than he does. The more I play Bully, the more I think that this is the game that will remove him from the debate. It has already showed made him look like a fool in court and in the media. Even if the main stream media seems to be ignoring the truth of the game.

Well, true, but he's seen it, and even he's still convinced that there is content that just, isn't there.

Also, I remember hearign of his college debate tour. Odds are he invited gamers out to it in the hopes that he wouldn't see any.

[nightwng2000]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/22/boy-on-boy-kissing-in-bully/

Oh yeah, John Bruce is gonna have a heart attack when he sees THIS.

And just wait til NIMF sees it too.

[KN]

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexy

[kurisu7885]

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeexy
When the PC version comes out, if it can be modded, someoen has to put in a shirt for Jimmy that says "I kiss boys." Someone will HAVE to do that.

[KN]

When the PC version comes out, if it can be modded, someoen has to put in a shirt for Jimmy that says "I kiss boys." Someone will HAVE to do that.

Screw that, I'll replace the entire player model with something a bit more seckzmuffin-y.

The entire school will be like... Bishie Town ^_^

[kurisu7885]

Screw that, I'll replace the entire player model with something a bit more seckzmuffin-y.

The entire school will be like... Bishie Town ^_^

KN, yer a genious.

[MaskedPixelante]

expecting an immediate reply from, not Jack Thompson, but Fred Phelps using Jack Thompsons favorite words. It would be weird to hear Fred saying something like "The recent murder simulator that's being forcebly played by children is gay propeganda, and will join Matthew Shepherd, Fred Rogers, and Jon Stewart in our weekly sermons."

[kurisu7885]

expecting an immediate reply from, not Jack Thompson, but Fred Phelps using Jack Thompsons favorite words. It would be weird to hear Fred saying something like "The recent murder simulator that's being forcebly played by children is gay propeganda, and will join Matthew Shepherd, Fred Rogers, and Jon Stewart in our weekly sermons."

The last thing america needs is an alliance with those two.

[Grahamr]

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/22/boy-on-boy-kissing-in-bully/

Oh yeah, John Bruce is gonna have a heart attack when he sees THIS.

And just wait til NIMF sees it too.


This needs to be front page news on wordpress. however,knowing him,dennis will be too much of a busy bee to reply.

[nightwng2000]

This needs to be front page news on wordpress. however,knowing him,dennis will be too much of a busy bee to reply.

I considered emailing it to him, but decided not to. He probably already knew anyway.

You'll note that the article GP posted today about John Bruce's announcement said that the press release was sent on Thursday. So, like ya said, Dennis is probably really busy.

[Grahamr]

Jack thompson: The media militia are mentally molesting minors with their mastrabatory machinations!!!!

[kurisu7885]

I heard the news form a friend that Jack is actually planning to run to take the place of the judge that ruled for Bully. I hope he wasn't serious. Since a judge cannont under any circumstance allow their personal feelings to effect their ruling on a case, I doubt he'd keep it long, if he got it. Just my opinion. If what I said it stretching it or libelous, I apologise.

[MaskedPixelante]

yeah, it's true. Jack probably didn't like the ruling that judge Freidman gave, so instead of taking it like a man, he wants to take his position. Like I said on the main page, no one under 18 will get a fair trial in Jack's court.

[kurisu7885]

yeah, it's true. Jack probably didn't like the ruling that judge Freidman gave, so instead of taking it like a man, he wants to take his position. Like I said on the main page, no one under 18 will get a fair trial in Jack's court.

Yikes. Like now he wants to ruin the legal system even more.

[MaskedPixelante]

Any new information on the boy/boy kiss in Bully (or as I call it, 'Hot Chocolate' in homage to GTA)?

[Beacon]

Any new information on the boy/boy kiss in Bully (or as I call it, 'Hot Chocolate' in homage to GTA)?
My guess is JT will probably try to focus on the violence. He may make a side-note of the boy/boy kissing, but I think he'll continue the "Columbine Simulator" approach.

[kurisu7885]

My guess is JT will probably try to focus on the violence. He may make a side-note of the boy/boy kissing, but I think he'll continue the "Columbine Simulator" approach.

Even though for it to be a "Columbine Simulator" it woudl have to take place in Columbine.

[Samson Effect]

Jack thompson: The media militia are mentally molesting minors with their mastrabatory machinations!!!!

Your gratuitous alliteration is making me dizzy. :P

[Tim Bickley]

According to gamespot (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6160340.html?sid=6160340) JT has already gone after the boy-boy kissing in Bully (and has started using a pet name for Patricia Vance when he emails her).

I dont see how he thinks this will help him force a rerating of Bully - the ESRB is under no legal obligation to disclose anything so minor as a kiss...gay or otherwise, and the scene in Bully doesnt even come close to qualifying as pornographics. He is either grasping at straws or is hoping that he gets a conservative christian judge when he takes the ESRB and whoever else to court over this and the gay scene will prejudice the judge against the game before he sees any other evidence (Jack is fine with judges being biased so long as its in his favour).

[kurisu7885]

According to gamespot (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6160340.html?sid=6160340) JT has already gone after the boy-boy kissing in Bully (and has started using a pet name for Patricia Vance when he emails her).

I dont see how he thinks this will help him force a rerating of Bully - the ESRB is under no legal obligation to disclose anything so minor as a kiss...gay or otherwise, and the scene in Bully doesnt even come close to qualifying as pornographics. He is either grasping at straws or is hoping that he gets a conservative christian judge when he takes the ESRB and whoever else to court over this and the gay scene will prejudice the judge against the game before he sees any other evidence (Jack is fine with judges being biased so long as its in his favour).
I don't mean to pry, but what does he call here?

Also, he is grasping at straws. And remember, if a judge ever rules agaisnt him, the judge was payed off and or biased, but, if the judge rules for him, then the judge is a productive member of the american legal process and deserves a medal. If he resrots to bribing I won't be surprised.

[kurisu7885]

Wait, I just read the article. So now kissing contitutes an intant M rating?

[pixelante_ninja]

For one, it's not sexual, for two there's no reason they shouldn't treat it differently the hetero kissing, which I'm assuming (I doubt they'd only let you do that with guys) is in there already, besides, they said it was considered.

[kurisu7885]

For one, it's not sexual, for two there's no reason they shouldn't treat it differently the hetero kissing, which I'm assuming (I doubt they'd only let you do that with guys) is in there already, besides, they said it was considered.

well, remembe,r Jack is a "true christian", and homosexuality real or fictional is a sin. :rolleyes:

[Darth_Toxic]

I remember finding some Christian game-review site and reading it for a laugh. It had the usual stuff - Pokemon is evil and the makers of it should rot in hell, complete with some really dumb, grasping-at-strwas reasoning for WHY it's so bad, and I happened upon a review for a Spider-Man game. It was rated E, and really tame... BUT, they had to spend the whole review gay-bashing it and complaining that the rating should be bumped up, Wal-Mart should stop carrying it, etc. since in the final cutscene Spidey kisses MJ, and there's a code to replace your character model with MJ, thus, *lesbians!!!*

[kurisu7885]

I remember finding some Christian game-review site and reading it for a laugh. It had the usual stuff - Pokemon is evil and the makers of it should rot in hell, complete with some really dumb, grasping-at-strwas reasoning for WHY it's so bad, and I happened upon a review for a Spider-Man game. It was rated E, and really tame... BUT, they had to spend the whole review gay-bashing it and complaining that the rating should be bumped up, Wal-Mart should stop carrying it, etc. since in the final cutscene Spidey kisses MJ, and there's a code to replace your character model with MJ, thus, *lesbians!!!*

Did they have a Bully review?

[Beacon]

Point of interest: The Sims and The Sims 2 are both rated T (as well as the various expansions). All Sims are bisexual, however. Two male sims can kiss, or even mess around in bed (under the covers, of course).
I guess my point is that this is just ESRB keeping with standards it already set. They don't consider the genders of the characters relevant for determining the level of sexual content.

[MaskedPixelante]

I remember the pokemon is evil craze. I seriously DO wonder what Fred has to say on this matter.

[kurisu7885]

Point of interest: The Sims and The Sims 2 are both rated T (as well as the various expansions). All Sims are bisexual, however. Two male sims can kiss, or even mess around in bed (under the covers, of course).
I guess my point is that this is just ESRB keeping with standards it already set. They don't consider the genders of the characters relevant for determining the level of sexual content.

Thich is a good thing ,becausei f they did do tha,t then they'd get outcry from those communities.

[nightwng2000]

John Bruce.... one step away from being on the same show as Fred Phelp's group.

[Lost Watcher]

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/narcissisticpd.htm

Diagnostic criteria for 301.81 Narcissistic Personality Disorder

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

(4) requires excessive admiration

(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her

(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

[Tim Bickley]

I think you can embolden 7 as well (most notably the gamer suicide a while back plus completely ignoring the child abuse in his new lawsuit and any number of insensitive comments hes made over the years).