A Follow Up on the greatest thing...

[Theory?]

As KN mentioned a while back, Dennis Kucinich proposed a bill to impeach Dick Cheney.

Well:

http://impeachforpeace.org/impeach_bush_blog/?p=2080

7 Reps are better than none.

Keep your fingers crossed people.

[Grahamr]

I'm starting to love Dennis Kucinich more and more:D


I imagine the Larouche duo will be preety happy about this to.

But, we have to realize no matter how stupid the decision of going into Iraq was, we made a huge f***ing mess, and unless we clean it up, there's gonna be hell to pay.

EDIT: Yikes http://home.comcast.net/~plutarch/PoliceState.html 0.o

[Yukimura]

Though I've become disenchanted with bush and the Reps in general, you all need to just drop it. The guy is gone in like a year anyway, and if he and cheney get impeached, do you really think things will be better with Polosi in charge? Dont delude yourselves.

Lets just wait till the elections. Bush can't run so he'll be gone. Move on, get over it. I swear I've never seen a group of people hold a grudge so long :p

[John]

Lets just wait till the elections. Bush can't run so he'll be gone. Move on, get over it. I swear I've never seen a group of people hold a grudge so long :p

Yeah, I guess senseless war does that to people...

[Picho]

Nein, its not the war. Its america.

If you are smart, you shall be dumbed down to stupidity.

Then that way everyone we elect is stupid and mandates stupidness, to enforce stupidedness.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Yeah, I guess senseless war does that to people...

Yeah, especially when you know someone who died in it, and have several other friends in danger of dying. I'd say getting, what, 2000+ Americans and a ****load more Iraqis killed for what amounts to nothing, exploiting a tragedy to trample civil rights, and taking days to get help to a hurricane-ravaged city when you hold a high position in the executive branch of the richest ****ing country on the planet is more than enough reason to hold a "grudge." And, yes, Pelosi would do a better job. Then a again, so would the cactus plant in my bedroom.

[John]

Yeah, especially when you know someone who died in it, and have several other friends in danger of dying. I'd say getting, what, 2000+ Americans and a ****load more Iraqis killed for what amounts to nothing, exploiting a tragedy to trample civil rights, and taking days to get help to a hurricane-ravaged city when you hold a high position in the executive branch of the richest ****ing country on the planet is more than enough reason to hold a "grudge." And, yes, Pelosi would do a better job. Then a again, so would the cactus plant in my bedroom.

I'd vote for your cactus...

[weatherlight]

taking days to get help to a hurricane-ravaged city
That was the fault of state and local officials not the bush administration.

[KN]

That was the fault of state and local officials not the bush administration.

FEMA gets directives from the Bush administration.

And then there were the aid camps Bush went to for a photo-op. These camps were broken down as soon as he left, with people standing in line.

[Picho]

FEMA gets directives from the Bush administration.

And then there were the aid camps Bush went to for a photo-op. These camps were broken down as soon as he left, with people standing in line.

dont forget the time that bush ate little babies and stabbed a couple of women.

[weatherlight]

FEMA gets directives from the Bush administration.

And then there were the aid camps Bush went to for a photo-op. These camps were broken down as soon as he left, with people standing in line.
And do you have proof of this or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass?

FEMA had to sit on their hands for the first couple of days because the state needed to ask for help before the federal government can do anything.

[KN]

And do you have proof of this or are you just blowing smoke out of your ass?

FEMA had to sit on their hands for the first couple of days because the state needed to ask for help before the federal government can do anything.

Here you go (http://www.samefacts.com/archives/katrina_/2005/09/fake_sympathy_and_fake_relief_efforts.php)


I thought it was already evident you can now criticize Bush without making stuff up. There's too much stuff that's true.

And here's moar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katr ina)

[kurisu7885]

Here you go (http://www.samefacts.com/archives/katrina_/2005/09/fake_sympathy_and_fake_relief_efforts.php)


I thought it was already evident you can now criticize Bush without making stuff up. There's too much stuff that's true.

And here's moar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katr ina)

Yes, Bush is an excellent president....

for comedy.

[weatherlight]

Ah, we have the senator making a statement to cover her own ass and a wiki article that just present the common criticisms.

Maybe you should learn about what the federal government is allowed to do with sending troops and aid in to a state which has not authorize the movement. Let you in on a hint, it falls along the lines of another civil war.

I am familiar with that event, there was not the setup or the infrastructure to do anything more then take a few pictures. They did not use an actual rescue center with concerns with security. Say what you will about it, but Red Cross even had to pull out of a number of areas due to their members being shot at.

Hurricane Katrina was a catastrophe caused by years of Local and State government corruption. Then they drop the ball requesting Federal help, constantly changing their plans and not informing FEMA or other national help groups. Which made for a number of supply management problems.

[KN]

Bla bla bla bla

That is so insane I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.

[bayushisan]

I tend to agree with weatherlight here. Just let the hate go guys. If you don't like President Bush, he'll be gone in a year. I have a friend in Iraq myself, I pray for his safe return everyday. If he were to fall, I wouldn't hate what our soldiers are doing nor would I call it pointless.

Vote your conscience when the elections come around, I'll do the same.

Before anyone gets to comfy with the Dems though let me reimind you all that they've been behind just as many, if not more, anti-game legislation bills as the Reps.

[weatherlight]

That is so insane I'm not even going to dignify that with an answer.
To late, you already did.

[Grahamr]

Break it up.

[Pelor]

I thought it was already evident you can now criticize Bush without making stuff up. There's too much stuff that's true.

And here's moar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katr ina)
The wiki article says the same as weatherlight says, plus some stuff about Mike Brown's incompetence.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

I tend to agree with weatherlight here. Just let the hate go guys. If you don't like President Bush, he'll be gone in a year.

I don't just not like the Bush admin. I think they're bad for America, and the less days they hold office, the better. One more year is too long. You can do a lot of damage in a year.

I wouldn't hate what our soldiers are doing nor would I call it pointless.

Don't start. Almost every antiwar person supports the troops, even if they don't support the war. Yes, Iraq needs help, but the last three or four years have been a circle jerk. That isn't the military's fault. It's the government's fault. Whose fault was it that they weren't properly equipped? Whose fault was it that not enough troops to get the job done were sent, even though the generals told them they weren't sending enough? By the first year of the invasion, it was pretty clear that what they were doing wasn't working, and since then, it hasn't gotten much better. It's time for some other admin. to try to fix it, because this one obviously can't.

Even the greatest fighting force can't help if their commander's an idiot.

Before anyone gets to comfy with the Dems though let me reimind you all that they've been behind just as many, if not more, anti-game legislation bills as the Reps.

**** the Dems and **** the Reps. I just want someone who is halfway competent to run the country.

[Picho]

**** the Dems and **** the Reps. I just want someone who is halfway competent to run the country.


This is defently something i can agree with.

Dems and reps have been driving america into the ground. We need some of those independent canidates.

[Theory?]

Vote your conscience when the elections come around, I'll do the same.

No, don't vote your conscience, vote your common ****ing sense. Voting on an impulse will only result in some blabbermouth hot-shot with either no, or no GOOD, battle plan, thus further dooming this country to at least another four years of mind-numbing exploits.

Before anyone gets to comfy with the Dems though let me reimind you all that they've been behind just as many, if not more, anti-game legislation bills as the Reps.

Let me ALSO remind you, that as important as the "video game" issue may seem to us, voting solely based on that is just as stupid (if not stupider) as attempting to federally regulate the sales. If you can't take up an educated side on any other issue but the video game thing, then you may want to consider abstaining from voting.

Frankly, I see no worthy candidates on either side. If I had to choose someone, it would be between Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. Dennis Kucinich, from what I've heard, has a real knack for "saying what people want to hear". Which really just reaffirms my suspicion that he's got a lot of good ideals, but no real battle plan. He just wants the seat, and then he'll "figure it out when he gets there." Mike Gravel seems to have the passion for the position, but again, it would seem he's been out of politics too long to be effective.

Obama is a schmuck with NO battle plan. He would make a HORRIBLE president.

Hillary is a horrible person. There's very little I need to say about her.

And then we come to the Republicans who, apparently, would rather instate a draft than let a homosexual fight for his country. You have John McCain, who doesn't seem to know the meaning of "a solid political stance"; Rudy Gulliani, who's completely lost his ****ing mind; Mitt Romney, who never fails to say the most inflammatory and offensive statements known to man every time he opens his mouth; and a slew of other ****heads from southern states who really don't know the first thing about politics.

Frankly, I feel like I'm a better candidate than any of these morons, so like with all elections, I'll be voting for myself.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Frankly, I see no worthy candidates on either side.

I do.

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/msnbc/Sections/Newsweek/Components/Photos/051101_051107/051104_BillRichardson_hsmall.widec.jpg

No, he's probably not going to be the next FDR, but he does have experience in the executive branch and he has lots of experience in foreign policy. Someone who is good with foreign policy is what we need to clean up the mess Bush made. The other candidates probably wouldn't know foreign policy it unzipped its fly and cocksmacked them. Out of all the candidates, I see Richardson leaps and bounds ahead of the others, so I'm planning on voting for him.

Picho, I meant that I don't care about party politics. I just want someone who doesn't suck as much as Bush.

EDIT: Wait, I have something else to say.

Let me ALSO remind you, that as important as the "video game" issue may seem to us, voting solely based on that is just as stupid (if not stupider) as attempting to federally regulate the sales. If you can't take up an educated side on any other issue but the video game thing, then you may want to consider abstaining from voting.

To me, it isn't just about the video games themselves. In this day and age, after seeing the way all the court cases have gone, if a politician is still interested in game legislation, that tells me that they 1.) don't respect civil liberties at all, 2.) have no problem wasting tax money on court cases they can't win, and 3.) are more interested in snatching the soccer mom vote and furthering their political careers than dealing with issues that need attention (Roy Burrell. Enough said.) That is not the kind of person I want in office.

[bayushisan]

No, don't vote your conscience, vote your common ****ing sense. Voting on an impulse will only result in some blabbermouth hot-shot with either no, or no GOOD, battle plan, thus further dooming this country to at least another four years of mind-numbing exploits.



Let me ALSO remind you, that as important as the "video game" issue may seem to us, voting solely based on that is just as stupid (if not stupider) as attempting to federally regulate the sales. If you can't take up an educated side on any other issue but the video game thing, then you may want to consider abstaining from voting.

Frankly, I see no worthy candidates on either side. If I had to choose someone, it would be between Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. Dennis Kucinich, from what I've heard, has a real knack for "saying what people want to hear". Which really just reaffirms my suspicion that he's got a lot of good ideals, but no real battle plan. He just wants the seat, and then he'll "figure it out when he gets there." Mike Gravel seems to have the passion for the position, but again, it would seem he's been out of politics too long to be effective.

Obama is a schmuck with NO battle plan. He would make a HORRIBLE president.

Hillary is a horrible person. There's very little I need to say about her.

And then we come to the Republicans who, apparently, would rather instate a draft than let a homosexual fight for his country. You have John McCain, who doesn't seem to know the meaning of "a solid political stance"; Rudy Gulliani, who's completely lost his ****ing mind; Mitt Romney, who never fails to say the most inflammatory and offensive statements known to man every time he opens his mouth; and a slew of other ****heads from southern states who really don't know the first thing about politics.

Frankly, I feel like I'm a better candidate than any of these morons, so like with all elections, I'll be voting for myself.

Firstly, voting one's conscience is not an act of impulse. It simply means voting for the candidate that best reflects how one feels on the political and moral issues that are important to the voter.

Second, from what I've seen the dems and their candidates, like Kucinich and Edwards, are pandering more and more to the extreme left wing of the party. This may just be my own personal opinion but it is how I view it. The reps seem to be trying to go back to their conservative roots, which is a good thing, and candidates like Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson are saying the things that the American people need to hear.

Like I've said before, I'd love to see a statesman in the vein of Ronald Reagan step up to the plate. I do think that Fred Thompson is in this vein and, should he get the nomination, he's the candidate that will get my vote. I won't vote for someone who espouses things I don't believe in.

[Theory?]

Firstly, voting one's conscience is not an act of impulse. It simply means voting for the candidate that best reflects how one feels on the political and moral issues that are important to the voter.

Second, from what I've seen the dems and their candidates, like Kucinich and Edwards, are pandering more and more to the extreme left wing of the party. This may just be my own personal opinion but it is how I view it. The reps seem to be trying to go back to their conservative roots, which is a good thing, and candidates like Mike Huckabee, Mitt Romney and Fred Thompson are saying the things that the American people need to hear.

Like I've said before, I'd love to see a statesman in the vein of Ronald Reagan step up to the plate. I do think that Fred Thompson is in this vein and, should he get the nomination, he's the candidate that will get my vote. I won't vote for someone who espouses things I don't believe in.

Wow. That's all I can say.

First you supported something, anything, Mitt Romney has said. The man is an absolute bottom feeding sack of scum. He has no forward thinking ideals. He's a religiously guided Luddite, totally incapable of making any good political decisions. He screwed the state of Massachusetts, and now he's after the nation. He, above all other candidates, truly makes me sick to my stomach. There are NO, and I repeat in large letters, NO redeeming qualities about Mitt Romney. Anyone who could POSSIBLY endorse anything he stands for needs a labotamy, and fast.

I'm not even going to dwell on your support for anything Reagan, because I don't feel like I need to.

It sickens me beyond compare to know that people with your ideals constitute a large part of the voting constituency. It further stands to reinforce my notions that I need to get the ever-loving **** out of this country and fast.

Enjoy your slow descent into hell on earth, it's going to be a blast, I can assure you.

[Grahamr]

Dennis, Barrack, or John......one of those three.

If i have to choose someone on the GOP side(i probably won't), I'd have to pick Ron Paul. He's the only republican who isn't an evil warmonger.


People forget though, that no matter how bad it was to go into iraq, We(or more specifically, George Bush) Severely ****ed up the region, and we need to clean up his freaking mess. If Saddam was never taken out of power, there probably wouldn't be an Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but there is, and we can't ignore them. Afganistan is a necesarry battle too, but Bush completely swept it under the carpet. Not enough oil, huh? :mad:

Thing is, if we were to concentrate on the true evil at hand(Osama and his faction) then the so called "War on Terror" would be over. But if your a Freak of Nature like George Bush, you would know that one can never truely profit of short wars. And now, Thousands of American, Iraqi, and Coalition soldiers are dying for the selfish Agenda of some Sociopathic ****kicker an Ocean away.

But who the hell am i kidding?? I can't even vote.....

[Picho]

No, don't vote your conscience, vote your common ****ing sense. Voting on an impulse will only result in some blabbermouth hot-shot with either no, or no GOOD, battle plan, thus further dooming this country to at least another four years of mind-numbing exploits.



Let me ALSO remind you, that as important as the "video game" issue may seem to us, voting solely based on that is just as stupid (if not stupider) as attempting to federally regulate the sales. If you can't take up an educated side on any other issue but the video game thing, then you may want to consider abstaining from voting.

Frankly, I see no worthy candidates on either side. If I had to choose someone, it would be between Dennis Kucinich and Mike Gravel. Dennis Kucinich, from what I've heard, has a real knack for "saying what people want to hear". Which really just reaffirms my suspicion that he's got a lot of good ideals, but no real battle plan. He just wants the seat, and then he'll "figure it out when he gets there." Mike Gravel seems to have the passion for the position, but again, it would seem he's been out of politics too long to be effective.

Obama is a schmuck with NO battle plan. He would make a HORRIBLE president.

Hillary is a horrible person. There's very little I need to say about her.

And then we come to the Republicans who, apparently, would rather instate a draft than let a homosexual fight for his country. You have John McCain, who doesn't seem to know the meaning of "a solid political stance"; Rudy Gulliani, who's completely lost his ****ing mind; Mitt Romney, who never fails to say the most inflammatory and offensive statements known to man every time he opens his mouth; and a slew of other ****heads from southern states who really don't know the first thing about politics.

Frankly, I feel like I'm a better candidate than any of these morons, so like with all elections, I'll be voting for myself.

If i was to vote it would either be the guy from CSI or Gulliani.

Id vote for Gulliani based upon the fact he compleatly lost his ****ing mind. I think thats what we may need... some crazy asshole and not some puppet.

Though, dont care very much, so i probaly wont vote. even if they are bat **** crazy they still will end up being muppets.

[KN]

Wow. That's all I can say.

First you supported something, anything, Mitt Romney has said. The man is an absolute bottom feeding sack of scum. He has no forward thinking ideals. He's a religiously guided Luddite, totally incapable of making any good political decisions. He screwed the state of Massachusetts, and now he's after the nation. He, above all other candidates, truly makes me sick to my stomach. There are NO, and I repeat in large letters, NO redeeming qualities about Mitt Romney. Anyone who could POSSIBLY endorse anything he stands for needs a labotamy, and fast.

I'm not even going to dwell on your support for anything Reagan, because I don't feel like I need to.

It sickens me beyond compare to know that people with your ideals constitute a large part of the voting constituency. It further stands to reinforce my notions that I need to get the ever-loving **** out of this country and fast.

Enjoy your slow descent into hell on earth, it's going to be a blast, I can assure you.

This are truth

If i was to vote it would either be the guy from CSI or Gulliani.

Id vote for Gulliani based upon the fact he compleatly lost his ****ing mind. I think thats what we may need... some crazy asshole and not some puppet.

Though, dont care very much, so i probaly wont vote. even if they are bat **** crazy they still will end up being muppets.

This are moar truth. I cannot believe what has happened to that man in the past 10 years. And no, the "zoomj 9/11" years were not his good years. The good years were before he said the "freedom is submitting to authority" thing in 1994.

[Theory?]

Here's how I see it. If you're still stupid enough to play party poilitics, your oppinions are null and void. That's all there is to it.

[KN]

By the way, if anyone wanted to freshen up their memory on Rudy's mind dump from 1994, here you go (http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF933A15750C0A9629582 60)


Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.


And let's not forget the torture thing! (http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/15/debate-torture/)

[weatherlight]

Break it up.
Yesss Masterrrr!

**** the Dems and **** the Reps. I just want someone who is halfway competent to run the country. Never going to happen, it appears that in order to run for president you have to be bat ****ing loco. Look at the past two elections, and now the candidates for the third. Voting for president has become voting for the one who you think will **** up the least.
Dems and reps have been driving america into the ground. We need some of those independent canidates.
Agreed, but most of the independents seem like even larger nuts then any of the candidates of the two major parties.
People forget though, that no matter how bad it was to go into iraq, We(or more specifically, George Bush) Severely ****ed up the region, and we need to clean up his freaking mess. If Saddam was never taken out of power, there probably wouldn't be an Al-Qaeda in Iraq, but there is, and we can't ignore them. Afganistan is a necesarry battle too, but Bush completely swept it under the carpet. Not enough oil, huh? :mad:

Thing is, if we were to concentrate on the true evil at hand(Osama and his faction) then the so called "War on Terror" would be over. But if your a Freak of Nature like George Bush, you would know that one can never truely profit of short wars. And now, Thousands of American, Iraqi, and Coalition soldiers are dying for the selfish Agenda of some Sociopathic ****kicker an Ocean away.

But who the hell am i kidding?? I can't even vote.....
I would like to point out that Iraq was ****ed up before we got involved. We didnt need to clean up anything, this is something that the other countries in the region needed to do years ago, but they just sat there and watched. So, we got stuck doing it, because we are "Team America: World Police". Iraq was never about oil, stop kidding yourself.

[bayushisan]

Wow. That's all I can say.

First you supported something, anything, Mitt Romney has said. The man is an absolute bottom feeding sack of scum. He has no forward thinking ideals. He's a religiously guided Luddite, totally incapable of making any good political decisions. He screwed the state of Massachusetts, and now he's after the nation. He, above all other candidates, truly makes me sick to my stomach. There are NO, and I repeat in large letters, NO redeeming qualities about Mitt Romney. Anyone who could POSSIBLY endorse anything he stands for needs a labotamy, and fast.

I'm not even going to dwell on your support for anything Reagan, because I don't feel like I need to.

It sickens me beyond compare to know that people with your ideals constitute a large part of the voting constituency. It further stands to reinforce my notions that I need to get the ever-loving **** out of this country and fast.

Enjoy your slow descent into hell on earth, it's going to be a blast, I can assure you.

I've seen some vitriolic horse manure in my time but this really takes the cake Theory. If you want to leave the county by all means go. It also doesn't really bother me that my opinions and ideals sicken people like you. I've always found it interesting that some of the angriest and most closed minded people I've ever met have been those who claim to be open minded and tolerant.

You call Mitt Romney a "religiously guided luddite". Well that's not at all bigotted is it? What's wrong with being guided by ones convictions and faith? I trust someone like that more than I'd ever trust a secular humanist guided only by their own ambition and misguided, morally ambivialent PC bullcrap.

If things bother you so much either step up and get involved by running for an office yourself or stop complaining and whining about everything that you don't like.

You're opinions on this are not, nor are they even remotely close to, truth in any way shape or form. You don't like most of the candidates, that's fine, don't vote for them. The idea, however, that a person is useless just because you don't like what he's saying is both insulting and preposterous.

[KN]

I've seen some vitriolic horse manure in my time but this really takes the cake Theory. If you want to leave the county by all means go. It also doesn't really bother me that my opinions and ideals sicken people like you. I've always found it interesting that some of the angriest and most closed minded people I've ever met have been those who claim to be open minded and tolerant.

You call Mitt Romney a "religiously guided luddite". Well that's not at all bigotted is it? What's wrong with being guided by ones convictions and faith? I trust someone like that more than I'd ever trust a secular humanist guided only by their own ambition and misguided, morally ambivialent PC bullcrap.

If things bother you so much either step up and get involved by running for an office yourself or stop complaining and whining about everything that you don't like.

You're opinions on this are not, nor are they even remotely close to, truth in any way shape or form. You don't like most of the candidates, that's fine, don't vote for them. The idea, however, that a person is useless just because you don't like what he's saying is both insulting and preposterous.

http://hobobucket.com/otproject/images/emot-v.gif

[Grahamr]

Yesss Masterrrr!
Never going to happen, it appears that in order to run for president you have to be bat ****ing loco. Look at the past two elections, and now the candidates for the third. Voting for president has become voting for the one who you think will **** up the least.

Agreed, but most of the independents seem like even larger nuts then any of the candidates of the two major parties.

I would like to point out that Iraq was ****ed up before we got involved. We didnt need to clean up anything, this is something that the other countries in the region needed to do years ago, but they just sat there and watched. So, we got stuck doing it, because we are "Team America: World Police". Iraq was never about oil, stop kidding yourself.


There wasn't freaking civil war and sectarian violence! Saddam was a Guard Dog, a Pandora's box if you will, and as Gruesume, Horrifying, and Malevolent as he may have been, He kept the gates of hell sealed! But now that we have taken him out of power, the Gates of Hell have been flung wide open and all their horrors are feasting upon Iraq! Our Noble and Esteemed leader, President George Bush Jr. has brought this upon us. He had a vendetta with said Hellhound, and in his Blindness, he has gotten his revenge and ****ed the rest of us over.

But, in this Pandora's box, there is no hope...

Now, everyone...

*Fires gun into the air*

Calm down, Cease this insanity now. Either play nice, or don't play at all. Either way, you can expect a visit from the moderators, courtesy of my report button, should this impudent brawl continue.

[Thefremen]

Romney now holds pro-life views, though in 1994 he supported abortion rights in Massachusetts, which he says was a result of having a sister-in-law die as the result of an illegal abortion. [41][42][43] In the 2002 Massachusetts gubernatorial campaign, he was endorsed by the Republicans for Choice coalition.[44] In a March 15, 2007 interview with Larry King, Romney explained that while governor he adapted his political position on abortion when the idea of cloning human embryos for the purpose of harvesting stem cells became an issue of debate in his state.[45]

He supports the death penalty, charter schools, and sentencing under the three strikes law.[46][47][48]

During his 1994 run for the senate against Kennedy, Romney sent a letter to the Log Cabin Republicans, where he was quoted as saying he would be more supportive of gay rights than Kennedy himself. His letter included the phrase "We must make equality for gays and lesbians a mainstream concern."[49] However, he opposed both same-sex marriage and civil unions in Massachusetts; when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ordered such marriages be permitted, he lobbied for a constitutional amendment to overturn the decision. He has renounced his past support for domestic partnership benefits.[50][51] He has been criticized by many in the right wing, particularly Paul Weyrich, as being a "flip flopper" on this and other issues.

Flip flop much? If you stand for nothing you'll fall for everything. Why would I want another one of those in the oval office?

Fred Thompson actually might do good though, he's an actor.

[weatherlight]

There wasn't freaking civil war and sectarian violence! Saddam was a Guard Dog, a Pandora's box if you will, and as Gruesume, Horrifying, and Malevolent as he may have been, He kept the gates of hell sealed! But now that we have taken him out of power, the Gates of Hell have been flung wide open and all their horrors are feasting upon Iraq! Our Noble and Esteemed leader, President George Bush Jr. has brought this upon us. He had a vendetta with said Hellhound, and in his Blindness, he has gotten his revenge and ****ed the rest of us over.

But, in this Pandora's box, there is no hope...

Now, everyone...

*Fires gun into the air*

Calm down, Cease this insanity now. Either play nice, or don't play at all. Either way, you can expect a visit from the moderators, courtesy of my report button, should this impudent brawl continue.

We brought this upon ourself. And I mean we as a world community. America was the only country willing to act, so everyone else can have their fit about us, but we did what they wouldn't do. And they can hate us for it.

[KN]

WORLD POLICE, **** YEAH!.

Yay for Team Merka :)

[weatherlight]

Yay for Team Merka :)
What do you expect from us. All the people in the Netherlands do is sit on the Internet all day and bitch about America.
;)

Edit: BTW, that was a sarcastic joke, not a flame. b/c I don't wantss masterrr to report me
No one's reporting you, but I take good mental notes. - Theory?

[Theory?]

I've seen some vitriolic horse manure in my time but this really takes the cake Theory. If you want to leave the county by all means go. It also doesn't really bother me that my opinions and ideals sicken people like you. I've always found it interesting that some of the angriest and most closed minded people I've ever met have been those who claim to be open minded and tolerant.

You call Mitt Romney a "religiously guided luddite". Well that's not at all bigotted is it? What's wrong with being guided by ones convictions and faith? I trust someone like that more than I'd ever trust a secular humanist guided only by their own ambition and misguided, morally ambivialent PC bullcrap.

If things bother you so much either step up and get involved by running for an office yourself or stop complaining and whining about everything that you don't like.

You're opinions on this are not, nor are they even remotely close to, truth in any way shape or form. You don't like most of the candidates, that's fine, don't vote for them. The idea, however, that a person is useless just because you don't like what he's saying is both insulting and preposterous.

I'd type up a response worthy of handling this, but frankly I don't have the energy and I have no desire to start yet another hopeless argument with you since you seem to think that debate only requires that you speak and not listen. How unfortunate. Enjoy your hell on earth. I'll be over here slamming my head into a wall, hoping the relief of stopping will outweigh the pain of knowing I share a genus species with bigots like you.

[Theory?]

What do you expect from us. All the people in the Netherlands do is sit on the Internet all day and bitch about America.
;)

Surely, you have the expertise, documentation, and experience to justify this statement, right? Of course you wouldn't have made such a preposterous statement about the entire population of a country based on ONE PERSON whom you've never actually met. That would just be ludicrous.

[KN]

What do you expect from us. All the people in the Netherlands do is sit on the Internet all day and bitch about America.
;)

Ah yes, because we totally have an army that is equiped for fighting random wars on our own.

And by the way...


If the US is so concerned about other nations... why have they done nothing in Africa? Or even.. Saudi Arabia... the nation that is actually harboring and funding Osama bin Laden? OH SNAP!

[weatherlight]

Surely, you have the expertise, documentation, and experience to justify this statement, right? Of course you wouldn't have made such a preposterous statement about the entire population of a country based on ONE PERSON whom you've never actually met. That would just be ludicrous.
I could makeup an article, but its hardly worthwhile. Although the same could be said about KN and his view on president bush and America.

As for your other comment, it has also been noted the actions and comments of the admins. It seems to be a bit of a double standard. But thats just my opinion.

[Picho]

Ah yes, because we totally have an army that is equiped for fighting random wars on our own.

And by the way...


If the US is so concerned about other nations... why have they done nothing in Africa? Or even.. Saudi Arabia... the nation that is actually harboring and funding Osama bin Laden? OH SNAP!

I thought you guys didnt have much of any army. I had thought that the netherlands stays nuteral, and pretty much just laughs at all the other people.

[Theory?]

I could makeup an article, but its hardly worthwhile. Although the same could be said about KN and his view on president bush and America.

As for your other comment, it has also been noted the actions and comments of the admins. It seems to be a bit of a double standard. But thats just my opinion.

Well it's your right as a user to attempt to keep the mods in check, but we tend to do that ourselves. We have a lovely private forum where we often sort out issues among the mods. It's Dennis's favorite place to chime in as it's where he has the most interest in posting. So if you feel a mod has done some degree of woeful wrong against you, feel free to report it, and the mods will discuss it.

P.S. "Making up" an article isn't really something people would call "credible". Most people, not all, but most.

[weatherlight]

If the US is so concerned about other nations... why have they done nothing in Africa? Or even.. Saudi Arabia... the nation that is actually harboring and funding Osama bin Laden? OH SNAP!
Well Africa didn't go so well, we seem to mess that up no matter how many attempts we make.

Saudi, my Arab brothers. if they were harboring Osama they would have told us already.

[Theory?]

Well Africa didn't go so well, we seem to mess that up no matter how many attempts we make.

Saudi, my Arab brothers. if they were harboring Osama they would have told us already.

Or they would have paid us to turn the other cheek. It's really convenient for the Saudi royal family to be good chums with our President and his family.

[weatherlight]

Well it's your right as a user to attempt to keep the mods in check, but we tend to do that ourselves. We have a lovely private forum where we often sort out issues among the mods. It's Dennis's favorite place to chime in as it's where he has the most interest in posting. So if you feel a mod has done some degree of woeful wrong against you, feel free to report it, and the mods will discuss it.

P.S. "Making up" an article isn't really something people would call "credible". Most people, not all, but most.
Well I mod on a forum as well and I will tell you that no matter what we say about someones comment as an admin we defend and take care of our own. Because it is far easier to dismiss and sweep one admins comments under the rug then punishing them or finding a new admin.

I have seen the exact same thing here. I don't take offense to it, just note that it has become clearly apparent.

P.S. It tells you what I think of some of the articles KN has provided as "proof"

[Theory?]

Well I mod on a forum as well and I will tell you that no matter what we say about someones comment as an admin we defend and take care of our own. Because it is far easier to dismiss and sweep one admins comments under the rug then punishing them or finding a new admin.

I have seen the exact same thing here. I don't take offense to it, just note that it has become clearly apparent.

P.S. It tells you what I think of some of the articles KN has provided as "proof"

I'd prove you wrong, but I think the mods at large here would agree with me when I say, our matters remain in the mod forum, so I can't.

Seeing as to how you have no access to the mod forums, you can't possibly KNOW how we handle such matters, so I would drop it, lest you hurt someone's feelings.

I'll tell you this much, if any of the mods stepped way over the line, Dennis would have no qualms with terminating his status and possibly banning him from the forums entirely, and the mods would spend no time defending him.

I've been reprimanded before, and I've apologized when necessary. If you wish to ignore that, then by all means. Again, mental notes.

exuent Theory?

[weatherlight]

I'd prove you wrong, but I think the mods at large here would agree with me when I say, our matters remain in the mod forum, so I can't.

Seeing as to how you have no access to the mod forums, you can't possibly KNOW how we handle such matters, so I would drop it, lest you hurt someone's feelings.

I'll tell you this much, if any of the mods stepped way over the line, Dennis would have no qualms with terminating his status and possibly banning him from the forums entirely, and the mods would spend no time defending him.

I've been reprimanded before, and I've apologized when necessary. If you wish to ignore that, then by all means. Again, mental notes.

exuent Theory?
Point to Mod forums, confidentiality, and the works. I understand the need for the mods to talk in privet and I am not asking you to prove what goes on in there. But you are clearly covering each others asses and I simply want you to know how it is coming across.

[Picho]

I like cheese.

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[KN]

I thought you guys didnt have much of any army. I had thought that the netherlands stays nuteral, and pretty much just laughs at all the other people.

Our army is ok, I guess. We have a reasonable standing army, a highly advanced navy, and all of several airplanes (;p). The only wars the current army has ever been in are US-instigated.

Eventually this will come back and bite the government in the ass so hard all parties ever involved in the whole mess will drop off the chart, but for now we're running around in Iraq fixing something the US broke. Then they roll in again, create more chaos, and we can start over. Lovely job.

Well Africa didn't go so well, we seem to mess that up no matter how many attempts we make.

Saudi, my Arab brothers. if they were harboring Osama they would have told us already.

He's kidding.

He's got to be kidding.


THIS MAN HAS TO BE KIDDING.

[Thefremen]

Surely, you have the expertise, documentation, and experience to justify this statement, right? Of course you wouldn't have made such a preposterous statement about the entire population of a country based on ONE PERSON whom you've never actually met. That would just be ludicrous.

And even at that, he actually doesn't complain about the US all day, he spouts memes and reads shota hentai all day.

And KN, regarding Saudi Arabia, yeah there are tons of Anti-American people there and the government even puts out anti-american propaganda, but it's purely for street cred. It's like when Rappers talk about how lame sub-urban white kids are even though that's their audience, in their hearts they love those nerdy white kids that use the n word.

[weatherlight]

Our army is ok, I guess. We have a reasonable standing army, a highly advanced navy, and all of several airplanes (;p). The only wars the current army has ever been in are US-instigated.

Eventually this will come back and bite the government in the ass so hard all parties ever involved in the whole mess will drop off the chart, but for now we're running around in Iraq fixing something the US broke. Then they roll in again, create more chaos, and we can start over. Lovely job.



He's kidding.

He's got to be kidding.


THIS MAN HAS TO BE KIDDING.
I actually went to a shipyard here in Germany that has made propulsion systems for a number of your naval boats. I have to say, some of them are pretty sweet. If I am not mistaken, you guys have one of the most advanced communications (spy) ships in existence. I don't think they were to show us pictures, but what do you expect from an east-German shipyard.

Kidding maybe a little, but not about the above.

[Tollwutig]

I see this thread has fallen into near total chaos. One of Theory?'s last request was someone keep an eye on this thread. I think it's descended to far from it's original purpose. So I will leave you with a nice quote from the President of the United States.

As you can possibly see, I have an injury myself -- not here at the hospital, but in combat with a cedar. I eventually won. The cedar gave me a little scratch. As a matter of fact, the Colonel asked if I needed first aid when she first saw me. I was able to avoid any major surgical operations here, but thanks for your compassion, Colonel.

Here I agree with Lewis Black in asking that one of the qualifications to being the leader of the most powerful nation in the world, at least be aware of where he is in the Time-Space Continuum.