Steelcobra's theory on how to fix border security

[steelcobra]

This just came to me. It may not be perfect, but I think it's at least got the psychological factor down pat.

Run a fence with pressure sensors along the border. Every 2 miles, you place a tower. In this tower, you put 2 sniper and spotter teams, with sleeping quarters one floor down so they work in shifts. Each sniper is equipped with an M82 Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle. These towers will each be responsible for a mile each way.

When a border runner jumps the fence, and alarm sounds and the location is displayed on a screen. The spotter and sniper then locate the individual(s) and fire a round into the ground 50 feet ahead of them. This will be verified with a camera in the scope and the spotter's scope and instantly transmitted to a central control station.

The spotter then plays a recording with the following in spanish: [That was the first of five warning shots. Each shot will be 30 seconds apart and ten feet closer. Should you continue after that, you will be shot for trespassing on United States Sovereign territory. Turn back and return over the fence, and no more shots will be fired. The nearest point you can apply for legal entry into the United States of America is ___________________________].

[DopeyCB]

Grand Idea! I say we put it into use immediately, and maybe we can also put Metal Storm into use against those very determined, and possible armored runners, because Metal Storm can fire 40mm Grenade rounds.
If that doesn't deter them, god only knows what will.

[Demontestament]

This just came to me. It may not be perfect, but I think it's at least got the psychological factor down pat.

Run a fence with pressure sensors along the border. Every 2 miles, you place a tower. In this tower, you put 2 sniper and spotter teams, with sleeping quarters one floor down so they work in shifts. Each sniper is equipped with an M82 Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle. These towers will each be responsible for a mile each way.

When a border runner jumps the fence, and alarm sounds and the location is displayed on a screen. The spotter and sniper then locate the individual(s) and fire a round into the ground 50 feet ahead of them. This will be verified with a camera in the scope and the spotter's scope and instantly transmitted to a central control station.

The spotter then plays a recording with the following in spanish: [That was the first of five warning shots. Each shot will be 30 seconds apart and ten feet closer. Should you continue after that, you will be shot for trespassing on United States Sovereign territory. Turn back and return over the fence, and no more shots will be fired. The nearest point you can apply for legal entry into the United States of America is ___________________________].

Sir your ideas intrigue me and I would like to subscribe to your newsletter :D.

[steelcobra]

I keep most of my rants here: http://1steelcobra.livejournal.com

I should post this there, too...

[Pelor]

Let me see. It's freaking expensive. No one is going to be willing to spend their entire lives in a hut on the Mexican border. Not a good idea to be shooting into crowds in border towns. Most illegals do not cross through the desert on foot.

The cheapest, most effective way to deal with it is to double the immigration quota.

[steelcobra]

I never said anything about shooting over the border.

And they wouldn't be living there their entire lives. It'd be like the forest service or sub duty. You stay out there for a few months, then rotate out for the rest of the year.

[Tollwutig]

Actually I have a better idea. We conquer Mexico and create a working class out of it's citizens, and slowly begin to train them in to normal American citizens. Only after a certain degree of re-education do we allow them the right to vote, and take part in the political process. The educational adjustments would be necessary in order to prevent political chaos.
Illegal immigrants who can prove that they have been within the old United States for more than 3 years would automatically be granted full citizen ship.

This would be the most beneficial solution to the United States, although there are come cons to such a solution.

The Pros:

Much smaller border with Panama would need to be secured. This would reduce the cost of securing the border over all.

Would create a low cost labor class for industry bringing back a lot of lost industry to the United States. This labor class would indeed be phased out very slowly to allow industry to adapt.

Would double US oil reserves & oil fields lessening the dependence on foreign oil.

Would significantly increase viable US farm land.

Would decrease the need for immigration north, as the rich & industry moved south in order to take advantage of new opportunities it would create a greater demand for labor in what would be formerly be known as Mexico.

The United States would control the majority of the best vacation spots in the Western Hemisphere.

It would give US much greater authority in controller the South American drug trade.

Give us a much larger pool of potential recruits to fight the war on terror.



The Cons:

The UN would hate us
Europe would hate us
Canada would be pissed but a bit scared
South America would hate us
The Mexican elite would probably hate us
The average Mexican would hate us at first but probably like us over the long term.


Now considering that The UN, Europe, & a lot of South America already hates us the Pros vastly out weigh the Cons. We would improve the life of millions of Mexicans, and fix our border issues.

I also have a means for the United States to secure it's northern border better.

[steelcobra]

Of course, my opinion is that the ultimate goal of peace is the entire world united as a single American-style republic, but I doubt it'll happen in my lifetime.

Reasons for it being American-style:
Secular: Denies religious figures any authority to interject their beliefs into government action. Thus preventing situations like papal de facto rule of europe, or senior clerics of islam controlling their governments.
Armed Forces: treats the armed forces as in service to the people, and respects them as well. This leads to trusting former military personnel in appointed positions, and prevents coups from occurring.
Stable: Beyond a number of tweaks, or adjustments to scale as the country grew, the government of the US is still nearly identical to that of when the constitution was ratified.
Freedoms: The US is one of very few countries to enumerate the rights of its citizens within the document it is built on. And despite the attempts of certain "Politically Correct" crusaders, for the most part, for better or worse, people are free to speak their minds. And others are free to attack their views for being poorly thought out, bigoted, or simply outdated.

[Tollwutig]

Of course, my opinion is that the ultimate goal of peace is the entire world united as a single American-style republic, but I doubt it'll happen in my lifetime.


We hate each other too much still, and actually I would prefer a cross between American & European style Republics.

Hmm this gives me the idea for a thread.

[Pelor]

I never said anything about shooting over the border.
United States border towns.

[Demontestament]

Actually I have a better idea. We conquer Mexico and create a working class out of it's citizens, and slowly begin to train them in to normal American citizens. Only after a certain degree of re-education do we allow them the right to vote, and take part in the political process. The educational adjustments would be necessary in order to prevent political chaos.
Illegal immigrants who can prove that they have been within the old United States for more than 3 years would automatically be granted full citizen ship.

This would be the most beneficial solution to the United States, although there are come cons to such a solution.

The Pros:

Much smaller border with Panama would need to be secured. This would reduce the cost of securing the border over all.

Would create a low cost labor class for industry bringing back a lot of lost industry to the United States. This labor class would indeed be phased out very slowly to allow industry to adapt.

Would double US oil reserves & oil fields lessening the dependence on foreign oil.

Would significantly increase viable US farm land.

Would decrease the need for immigration north, as the rich & industry moved south in order to take advantage of new opportunities it would create a greater demand for labor in what would be formerly be known as Mexico.

The United States would control the majority of the best vacation spots in the Western Hemisphere.

It would give US much greater authority in controller the South American drug trade.

Give us a much larger pool of potential recruits to fight the war on terror.



The Cons:

The UN would hate us
Europe would hate us
Canada would be pissed but a bit scared
South America would hate us
The Mexican elite would probably hate us
The average Mexican would hate us at first but probably like us over the long term.


Now considering that The UN, Europe, & a lot of South America already hates us the Pros vastly out weigh the Cons. We would improve the life of millions of Mexicans, and fix our border issues.

I also have a means for the United States to secure it's northern border better.

**** those in the cons, I say do it! Though we would have to ****ing kill of the mexican mafia, because they would try and **** **** up left and right.

[steelcobra]

United States border towns.

As I said, the border line itself, not the towns next to the border.

[Picho]

I say we send a nuke to the center of the earth.

That way the world would be compleatly at peace.

[Grahamr]

Not all latino immigrants come from mexico...my cleaning people are from guatemala and san salvador.

[Picho]

The thing i dont like is the fact they start off breaking the rules, skipping the line infront of the others trying to get in, and then demand that they have the same rights with out the same work. (using a short cut to get in).

Its like that little fat kid who slides into line before you and buys the last Wii, cause he starts screaming and yelling for it.

[Pelor]

As I said, the border line itself, not the towns next to the border.
Here are some pictures of a crossing between Tijuana and San Diego.

http://www.bridgeandtunnelclub.com/bigmap/outoftown/mexico/tijuana/crossing/index.htm

[steelcobra]

That's a fully guarded border checkpoint. Not exactly a choice point to run the border.

[Pelor]

That's a fully guarded border checkpoint. Not exactly a choice point to run the border.
Yes, we know. You just told us that according to your plan every part of the border would be fully guarded by snipers, remember?

It occurs to me that I could have used Google maps. I could list every single town that sits astride the border, from San Diego to El Paso to Brownsville. Places where illegal crossings happen every day.

[KN]

Maybe a good simple plan is to simply double the quota?

Or, you know... get rid of them, because they were instituted completely based on eugenics. The last immigration law simply "pc'D" those quotas.

[Tollwutig]

Not all latino immigrants come from mexico...my cleaning people are from guatemala and san salvador.

Yes but even those usually cross through Mexico

[steelcobra]

Yes but even those usually cross through Mexico

And I've been to El Salvador (San is the capital). Not exactly easy to get to the states without flying, swimming, or going through other countries.

[Picho]

we should set up windmills on the boarder.

[Pelor]

we should set up windmills on the boarder.
I, uh... support this... I think.

[KN]

we should set up windmills on the boarder.

As a representative of the Dutch government, I forbid you to do so. This is OUR border control idea. We use it to keep out foreign birds.

[Brokenscope]

Wouldn't we also gain a ton of wonderful beach property by invading Mexico?

[Picho]

I, uh... support this... I think.

Think Don Quinoie (spelling is off i know.)

[Brokenscope]

There is an X somewhere in there I think.