Cures cancer...AND makes cheap fuel?

[Garrett]

http://www.devilducky.com/media/62617/

Amazing. I'm sure the government will come knocking on his door and make this technology, (sure to save millions of people and cure our $3-4 dollar gas prices) silently 'disappear'.

[Jabrwock]

Ummm, it's a modified microwave, only operating at wavelengths that pass through the human body...

Remember that he's pumping out a lot of energy from that radio in order to "burn" the sal****er...

[kurisu7885]

Hmm, technology to help cure the ones who god seems to hate and a way to get the oil companies to stop linig georgie's pockets. Expect the person to vanish too.

[nightwng2000]

Ummm, it's a modified microwave, only operating at wavelengths that pass through the human body...

Remember that he's pumping out a lot of energy from that radio in order to "burn" the sal****er...

LOL! It took listening to that story just to figure out what was being edited from your post.

So is the radio being used to set the salt water on fire (like an ignition switch) or is it continueously running to keep the flame going? Because continuous power for the radio device will have to have some energy frome somewhere.

One wonders if a car engine developed this way would be larger or small than traditional car engines.

[Jabrwock]

LOL! It took listening to that story just to figure out what was being edited from your post.Hehe. Salt-water. That's silly. :)

So is the radio being used to set the salt water on fire (like an ignition switch) or is it continueously running to keep the flame going? Because continuous power for the radio device will have to have some energy frome somewhere.From what I gather, the radio will have to run continuously. Salt-water won't burn on it's own, the video shows the burning of hydrogen & oxygen after it's been separated from the water. The radio causes the separation, and then it burns as soon as it separates.

[Tollwutig]

Ummm, it's a modified microwave, only operating at wavelengths that pass through the human body...

Remember that he's pumping out a lot of energy from that radio in order to "burn" the sal****er...

Yeah that is the issue with Hydrogen power, water power etc. People forget it takes a lot of energy to deoxidize Hydrogen so it can be burned for fuel. So we still have an energy problem since we have to get the energy somewhere.

[KN]

But.. but.. this isn't a pill the pharmaceutical industry can sell at hyper-inflated prices. Won't anyone please think of THEM? :(

[Pelor]

If it's energy efficient it would be used in power plants.

You still have a serious problem with getting the salt out of the combustion chamber.

[steelcobra]

Oh hey, pour more water in and agitate it into mixture!

[Pelor]

Oh hey, pour more water in and agitate it into mixture!
How many cycles do you suppose a car engine goes through every second?

Edit: I'm not being sarcastic -- I really don't know.

[Jabrwock]

How many cycles do you suppose a car engine goes through every second?

Edit: I'm not being sarcastic -- I really don't know.
Depends? I mean the number of cycles per revolution might be a better question, since RPMs increase when you step on the gas.

[Tollwutig]

How many cycles do you suppose a car engine goes through every second?

Edit: I'm not being sarcastic -- I really don't know.

Depends? I mean the number of cycles per revolution might be a better question, since RPMs increase when you step on the gas.

Does it really matter since you're having to get external power in order to create the radio waves that would make this work in the first place? NOW if the radio was able to run strictly off of solar energy you might have an indirect solar car, but then the loss of energy would still make this useless.

[Jabrwock]

Does it really matter since you're having to get external power in order to create the radio waves that would make this work in the first place? NOW if the radio was able to run strictly off of solar energy you might have an indirect solar car, but then the loss of energy would still make this useless.
Yeah it would be more efficient just to use the solar power to charge batteries for an electric engine...

Hydrogen cars are useful, they're still just working on the whole storage issue. Fuel cells are slowly getting better.

I hear they want to make a "hydrogen highway" between Vancouver and Whistler for the 2010 Olympics. Busses and will do Olympic transportation using and promoting hydrogen (there's even fuel cell pickup trucks available), and I'm guessing Ford will use it to promote their Focus that runs on fuel cells.

[Kincyr]

http://www.devilducky.com/media/62617/

Amazing. I'm sure the government will come knocking on his door and make this technology, (sure to save millions of people and cure our $3-4 dollar gas prices) silently 'disappear'.
I'm pretty sure the government will allow this due to the fact that this means no more using stem-cells for cancer research.

[steelcobra]

How many cycles do you suppose a car engine goes through every second?

Edit: I'm not being sarcastic -- I really don't know.

Let's look at numbers then:
at a decent cruising pace of 2000 RPM (Revolutions Per Minute) in a straight 4 cylinder engine, a piston has to be pumped twice per cycle (four strokes are required for gasoline. Diesel only requires one turn per cylinder firing). With four pistons firing offset to provide continuous power, that means the crankshaft turns 8 times per cycle.
2000/8=250 cycles per minute
Now, that's in minutes, so:
250/60=4.166666666666~ cycles per second.

[Pelor]

Does it really matter since you're having to get external power in order to create the radio waves that would make this work in the first place? NOW if the radio was able to run strictly off of solar energy you might have an indirect solar car, but then the loss of energy would still make this useless.You are extracting potential energy from the water. I don't know how much energy it takes to run the microwave.

[Tollwutig]

You are extracting potential energy from the water. I don't know how much energy it takes to run the microwave.

Gahh now I am going to have to go into a Chemistry lesson.

You are not extracting potential energy from water. You are adding energy into Water in order to cause a chemical reaction that splits water into it's base components Hydrogen & Oxygen. While both hydrogen & oxygen in their diatomic forms are stable mixing the two makes them unstable and adding a small amount of energy will set off the oxidation of hydrogen, the product of which is a lot of energy & water. Water is the stable oxidized form of hydrogen chemically it would be hydrogen oxide. Water has no chemically potential energy because it is a stable molecule and only the introduction of energy into it will produce a reaction. This is why all reactions that involve water use either enzymes (in biological systems) or heat.

Now to make this very simple in order to get water to break up you must induce energy to the molecules. Once enough energy is induced the molecules can break up and if separated properly the hydrogen & oxygen can be isolated.
Now here is the key part. It takes just as much energy to separate water, as is released when hydrogen is oxidized.

In other words it doesn't really matter in this process how much energy you can get from the water. You'll need to provide that same amount of energy from an external source in order to make the system functional on a steady basis.

Yes hydrogen is a clean burning fuel, but to extract hydrogen from water you need a facility which is consuming energy in order to produce that hydrogen. The energy that facility is consuming needs to come from somewhere.

Also hydrogen is rather volatile since it oxidizes very readily and very little energy is needed to start the rapid oxidation of hydrogen. (rapid oxidation of a material is called combustion).

[Picho]

so sal****er is blocked, what the heck is a **** then?

[Hannah]

so sal****er is blocked, what the heck is a **** then?

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g125/origamifrog/censored.jpg

[ZippyDSMlee]

ah damn sorry was playing with the word filter and hit post ><


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anyway
so it could go like this batteries power the separation and ignition that move a kinetic engine that put the energy back into batteries from there how much can be added on to power other things (another kinetic or energy based device).

[Garrett]

It takes just as much energy to separate water, as is released when hydrogen is oxidized.

In other words it doesn't really matter in this process how much energy you can get from the water. You'll need to provide that same amount of energy from an external source in order to make the system functional on a steady basis.

So, with this being a fact, are we looking at the media injecting exaggeration to the invention, or ignorance of it?
Regardless, could it still be possible that he has found a way of using a small amount of energy and convert it to, say, double that with hydrogen?

[steelcobra]

Still looks cool though.

[Thefremen]

Kinda reminds me of my uncle who tried to make a perpetual motion machine for a long time using magnets.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Kinda reminds me of my uncle who tried to make a perpetual motion machine for a long time using magnets.

I have drhemes(dream+schemes) of doing it with motors, batteries and changers the only trouble is motors take to much power and chargers require to much kentetic energy for to little output :X
so like me it would fall apart for being heavy in one area (energy needs to sustain itself,I being mental needs to sustain itself :P)

[Thefremen]

I have drhemes(dream+schemes) of doing it with motors, batteries and changers the only trouble is motors take to much power and chargers require to much kentetic energy for to little output :X
so like me it would fall apart for being heavy in one area (energy needs to sustain itself,I being mental needs to sustain itself :P)

"Order from disorder is a scientific rarity. Wait, did I say rarity, I meant impossibility....in a closed system the entropy count must rise." -MC Hawkings

[ZippyDSMlee]

"Order from disorder is a scientific rarity. Wait, did I say rarity, I meant impossibility....in a closed system the entropy count must rise." -MC Hawkings

entropy+9000! zippy IQ-1 billion *sits drools*

=0-o=

[Tollwutig]

So, with this being a fact, are we looking at the media injecting exaggeration to the invention, or ignorance of it?
Regardless, could it still be possible that he has found a way of using a small amount of energy and convert it to, say, double that with hydrogen?



Media not knowing the science. Considering you're going to lose some of the energy converted into microwaves due to environmental factors you're going to have to put more energy into making radio waves than you are going to get from the hydrogen.

[Pelor]

Now to make this very simple in order to get water to break up you must induce energy to the molecules. Once enough energy is induced the molecules can break up and if separated properly the hydrogen & oxygen can be isolated.
Now here is the key part. It takes just as much energy to separate water, as is released when hydrogen is oxidized.
Oh yeah --- it turns back into water after it's burned, doesn't it?

Silly me.

[steelcobra]

The excess energy from the radio waves converts to thermal energy. Basically, it's a catalyst based (salt water) conversion reaction turning electricity to radio to heat.