ESRB censors Bioshock(Little sisters in god mode?)

[ZippyDSMlee]

http://forums.2kgames.com/forums/showthread.php?p=15665&posted=1#post15665


It seems they have had to bow to the pressures of the indutry it seems they are implementing a different way to harvest the Adam from them after you deal with the protectors.

A minor annoyance but it shows the mature tear of the ESRB ratings level to be weak and out of touch with todays games since AO holds the porn moniker why not create a new M18+ or M19+ level for maxed out violence and abit more sexuality than M Vampire TM blood lines would fit well here as well even ould have basic nudity without breaking the bank and slapping AO on it its no worse than R or NC17 movies that wallyworld sales as "unrated" DVDs.

[KN]

I don't think that's confirmed. If it is, that's pretty much bull****. Why does the sane world have to suffer because the puritan United States can't deal with shooting DEMONIC CHILDREN?

I think this is just a beta thing though. They probably don't have some of the stuff set up to deal with the death of a Little Sister, so they're in god mode for now.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I don't think that's confirmed. If it is, that's pretty much bull****. Why does the sane world have to suffer because the puritan United States can't deal with shooting DEMONIC CHILDREN?

I think this is just a beta thing though. They probably don't have some of the stuff set up to deal with the death of a Little Sister, so they're in god mode for now.

Mind you I am coming from the mindset they were made to be killable and now they are not,even so its a minor issue for the game but a large issue for ratings,basically what the devs said if the Little sisters are shootable thats a instant AO rating and that I call BS.


the ESRB needs to get off its arse and amke a 18+ rating thats not AO ,AO is for porn,AO is the kiss of death in the US market palce, I doubt a 18+ for violence alone would be begrugened so, not with the NC17 unrated videos at wallmart.

Don't get me wrong for the LS's its more than reasonable for them to be nearly indestructible even drained of adam they still posses eve, I wonder what the processes is dose it take some adam to produce more using the eve system within the LS, without adam what happens to a LS shock?death?teleportation?(the Gray in DX2 teleport out as a timeout for bodies even if they are unconscious)

[kurisu7885]

I can see the reason for the change.

"In Irrational game's hyperviolent murder simulator Bioshock, the player is rewarded with points for shooting little children and awarded more points for beating the injured child with a pipe wrench. many studies have proven that this type of game will for a fact increase the number fo child related murders."

There, wrote the anti gamer's argument for them.

And at the same time, I can see why this might detract from it, as killing the child or not did challenge you morally.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I can see the reason for the change.

"In Irrational game's hyperviolent murder simulator Bioshock, the player is rewarded with points for shooting little children and awarded more points for beating the injured child with a pipe wrench. many studies have proven that this type of game will for a fact increase the number fo child related murders."

There, wrote the anti gamer's argument for them.

And at the same time, I can see why this might detract from it, as killing the child or not did challenge you morally.

you cans till harvest them and "kill" them its just handed in a different way.

god fallout was ahead of its time sleeping with hookers sleeping with men and killing kids....hell it would only be complete if it had player initiated rape in it god I miss thos days...

[Jabrwock]

you cans till harvest them and "kill" them its just handed in a different way.

god fallout was ahead of its time sleeping with hookers sleeping with men and killing kids....hell it would only be complete if it had player initiated rape in it god I miss thos days...
Hmm, the difference I see was that Fallout (gawd I can't wait for III) gave you the choice. It wasn't a requirement to do any of that.

In Bioshock you need to "harvest" the LS's Adam in order to make any headway.

[kurisu7885]

Hmm, the difference I see was that Fallout (gawd I can't wait for III) gave you the choice. It wasn't a requirement to do any of that.

In Bioshock you need to "harvest" the LS's Adam in order to make any headway.Not really ,it just gets a hell of a lot harder if you don't.

[bayushisan]

Personally I think its a good idea to tone it down a bit. With the recent bad publicity the community has had we sure don't need to start hearing stories saying that gamers support the murder of children. I think we all know that there are certain people out there who would try to make that argument and they'd use this game as their so called "proof".

Keep in mind though that the company choosing to go this route isn't censorship. It would only be censorship if the government was trying to force this change in content.

[kurisu7885]

Although I do doubt it would get noticed as the work take and the number two aren't involved in any way.

[bayushisan]

Although I do doubt it would get noticed as the work take and the number two aren't involved in any way.

That could be, but it could be argued that the benefits are outweighed by the risks to the industry as a whole. If its just a minor point anyway why do something that will bring mass protests and calls for laws against the industry.

[kurisu7885]

That could be, but it could be argued that the benefits are outweighed by the risks to the industry as a whole. If its just a minor point anyway why do something that will bring mass protests and calls for laws against the industry.
True enough, but it is important to remember, some critics will refuse to be satisfied.

[Jabrwock]

There IS a difference though between "this is a total side story, the gameplay isn't affected if you do this or not" vs. "the game is insanely hard unless you do this."

The one game-related reason I can see for not "killing" the LSs is: where do you get more afterwards? Since they've already declared that they still contain Eve after you've "harvested" them, that would imply you haven't really killed them, so there's not much point in portraying that you have...

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hmm, the difference I see was that Fallout (gawd I can't wait for III) gave you the choice. It wasn't a requirement to do any of that.

In Bioshock you need to "harvest" the LS's Adam in order to make any headway.

nnoooo....you have the choice to harvest them or save them from attackers,harvesting takes you down a "evil" path because to harvest them is to kill them more or less.

bayushisan
you still kill them but it a non "visarail" way.
its still rather silly to tone it down because of the tone of the game.

Jabrwock
harvesting LSs will open a different road tot take(I think) but harvesting dose make it easier to upgrade stats.
fallout 3 wont be havign hookers or kids! why wait it already sucks :X
from the undertones beths site there going to tone fallout down some, they are leaning to 3rd person/isometric but may go with first person perspective.
its a dice roll as to what FO3 will be.

[Jabrwock]

nnoooo....you have the choice to harvest them or save them from attackers,harvesting takes you down a "evil" path because to harvest them is to kill them more or less.Ah, I see. I didn't know there was a "good/evil" path. I thought that choice was more or less forced upon you due to your circumstances arriving in the city.

fallout 3 wont be havign hookers or kids? why wait it already sucks :X
from the undertones beths site there going to tone fallout down some, they are leaning to 3rd person/isometric but may go with first person perspective.I haven't heard whether F3 will have hookers or kids. Presumably if they're staying true to the original series, there will be "persons of negotiable affection". It is the wasteland after all. And how can you not have kids? Any village you pass through will have kids.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Ah, I see. I didn't know there was a "good/evil" path. I thought that choice was more or less forced upon you due to your circumstances arriving in the city.

I haven't heard whether F3 will have hookers or kids. Presumably if they're staying true to the original series, there will be "persons of negotiable affection". It is the wasteland after all. And how can you not have kids? Any village you pass through will have kids.

Well more like mutli paths the choices you make open your way into the game like a maze there is a "good" and "evil" way to play it most notably tagging LS's,since tis on the unreal engine there will be so many "fixes" for the LS thign theres no real reason to fight over it,however it dose show the horrable climate the system is in.

look at the "mature" things in oblivion and morrowind its not going to get "better" than that.

[Jabrwock]

Well more like mutli paths the choices you make open your way into the game like a maze there is a "good" and "evil" way to play itSo kinda like Fable, where you have a range between "goody goody" and "absolute badass".

[ZippyDSMlee]

So kinda like Fable, where you have a range between "goody goody" and "absolute badass".

Kinda altho fable let you kill kids didn't it?

[Yukimura]

Personally, I think it's better this way. As I've said in the past, I feel that it's better for the LS to not be a target cause if they could be killed haphazardly, that negates the moral issue. There just another target at that point. By forcing you to go face to face with an action you know will be fatal to them, it makes it a true moral choice, as they aren't a threat to you but you'r still killing them anyway.

Just my 2 cents on it .

[ZippyDSMlee]

Personally, I think it's better this way. As I've said in the past, I feel that it's better for the LS to not be a target cause if they could be killed haphazardly, that negates the moral issue. There just another target at that point. By forcing you to go face to face with an action you know will be fatal to them, it makes it a true moral choice, as they aren't a threat to you but you'r still killing them anyway.

Just my 2 cents on it .

there are ways to fix that make them nigh undamageable with the protector around :P

[Jabrwock]

Kinda altho fable let you kill kids didn't it?
Yes, you could. Although I think that was the "evillest" thing they allowed you to do. But it was just kill, you couldn't do anything to the bodies afterwards AFAIK.

[Hannah]

Just as long as it's possible to kill them somehow, I'm happy. If I'm playing a character who's just massacred most of the adult population of a game, it really irks me when children are either conspicuously absent (eg. in Oblivion) or unattackable (eg. in World of Warcraft). In WoW, I actually took my undead rogue into the Stormwind orphanage one time and was very disappointed to discover that I couldn't attack anything. I mean, come on... I was a walking corpse who specialized in thievery and backstabbing. Why wouldn't I kill a child and eat its brains? It's not even a moral issue, I just want to be able to do whatever makes the most sense in the context of the game.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Just as long as it's possible to kill them somehow, I'm happy. If I'm playing a character who's just massacred most of the adult population of a game, it really irks me when children are either conspicuously absent (eg. in Oblivion) or unattackable (eg. in World of Warcraft). In WoW, I actually took my undead rogue into the Stormwind orphanage one time and was very disappointed to discover that I couldn't attack anything. I mean, come on... I was a walking corpse who specialized in thievery and backstabbing. Why wouldn't I kill a child and eat its brains? It's not even a moral issue, I just want to be able to do whatever makes the most sense in the context of the game.

because they didn't want the AO rating :P
what is wow rated 13+?

Anyway they way they are doing the LS thing is you can not kill them you can however put them to "sleep" by removing their adam with a tool, frankly liek the rag doll thing tis much more creepy than gibing them and begin done with it :P.

thats pretty much how its going to work you can only hurt them via a tool and that may or may not kill them (pedo alarm goes nuts) soemtiems a bullet to the head is just "better"...

Am I the only one seeing a vibrator mod or mini boring drill mod to replace the this "tool" with?
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[ZippyDSMlee]

bah only EB and GS are selling pre orders of the collectors ed >>
I am boycotting both ><

[Hannah]

bah only EB and GS are selling pre orders of the collectors ed >>
I am boycotting both ><

... why? ........

[ZippyDSMlee]

... why? ........

they no longer sale or trade in used PC games for one their polices over the eyars have protected them selfs more and more while letting the consumer deal with 50$ "bad" games for another.

sure I can get it from ebay and such but I was hoping there was a first tear outlet I could buy it from,once it hits the 2nd and higher tears the money dose not go to IG/T2 its more like buying a used game, I'd like my money to go as directly as it can to T2/IG even so I refuse to have anythign to do with GS and EB bad polices ,bad staff ,bad exp's.


If EB/GS really wanted to stop piracy they would have pulled Xbox and 360 games because they are even more easier to copy and play then normal CP'd PC games, since they are only protecting shelf space to move unwanted new games I simply refuse to have anythign to do with them..

[Yukimura]

they no longer sale or trade in used PC games for one their polices over the eyars have protected them selfs more and more while letting the consumer deal with 50$ "bad" games for another.

sure I can get it from ebay and such but I was hoping there was a first tear outlet I could buy it from,once it hits the 2nd and higher tears the money dose not go to IG/T2 its more like buying a used game, I'd like my money to go as directly as it can to T2/IG even so I refuse to have anythign to do with GS and EB bad polices ,bad staff ,bad exp's.


If EB/GS really wanted to stop piracy they would have pulled Xbox and 360 games because they are even more easier to copy and play then normal CP'd PC games, since they are only protecting shelf space to move unwanted new games I simply refuse to have anythign to do with them..

Amazon.com, my home for all my gaming needs these days.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Amazon.com, my home for all my gaming needs these days.

One small problem the Limited edition is EB/GS ONLY..... so it seems I go 4th tear and get it off ebay.....