360 2 65NM CPU(1 cpu 1 gpu)

[ZippyDSMlee]

Xbox 360s will have 65nm GPU soon

According to Digitimes and Arstechnica, the much talked about 65nm version of the Xbox 360's "Xenos" GPU will be coming out sometime this fall.

The new GPU will be made on TSMC's 65nm process, due to the new availability of the 65nm eDRAM that goes into the product.

The console's "Xenon" 65nm CPU however, according to Chartered Semi, will be available by mid-2007 and so in theory a version of the console with a 65nm CPU and 90nm GPU could be available in the next few months.

Microsoft will want to begin using the new, smaller chips as soon as possible because the chips run cooler and that will help in redesigning the console's interior for lower costs and higher reliability.

The changes of instituting the new chips will eventually make the 360 cheaper to manufacture and those savings will be passed along to the consumer eventually when the console drops in price.

Basically, wait until the 65nm CPU and GPU are both in the console, as they new units will run cooler, and last longer.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/9585.cfm
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man the this has been a nightmare....but in a year it will so be worth 400 $ :X

[KN]

Oh, this is great. This will run so much cooler. I suppose then it will also be able to do Folding@Home without burning.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Oh, this is great. This will run so much cooler. I suppose then it will also be able to do Folding@Home without burning.

you cant hate it unless your 500+ into 360s but really MS has to be the most sloppiest console maker yet...

[KN]

you cant hate it unless your 500+ into 360s but really MS has to be the most sloppiest console maker yet...

They only just started doing it. Open up a NES and try to not tell me some of the **** in there is absolutely wrong.


The loading mechanism for one.

[ZippyDSMlee]

They only just started doing it. Open up a NES and try to not tell me some of the **** in there is absolutely wrong.


The loading mechanism for one.

so the NES had issues the PS2 had issues what else had issues?

the neo geo had price issues but it was a home arcade system more than a console.

[KN]

so the NES had issues the PS2 had issues what else had issues?

the neo geo had price issues but it was a home arcade system more than a console.

When Nintendo released the NES in the United States, the design styling was deliberately different from that of other game consoles. Nintendo wanted to distinguish its product from those of competitors, and to avoid the generally poor reputation that game consoles had acquired following the video game crash of 1983. One result of this philosophy was a front-loading zero insertion force (ZIF) cartridge socket designed to resemble the front-loading mechanism of a VCR. The ZIF connector worked quite well when both the connector and the cartridges were clean and the pins on the connector were new. Unfortunately, the ZIF connector was not truly zero insertion force. When a user inserted the cartridge into the NES, the force of pressing the cartridge down and into place bent the contact pins slightly, as well as pressing the cartridge’s ROM board back into the cartridge itself. Repeated insertion and removal of cartridges caused the pins to wear out relatively quickly, and the ZIF design proved far more prone to interference by dirt and dust than an industry-standard card edge connector. Exacerbating the problem was Nintendo’s choice of materials; the slot connector that the cartridge was actually inserted into was made of a cheap alloy that was highly prone to corrosion. Add-on peripherals like the popular Game Genie cheat cartridge tended to further exacerbate this problem by bending the front-loading mechanism during gameplay. Recently, third-party manufacturers have been producing gold clones of the NES connector piece to replace the existing one and prevent corrosion.



I'm not even going to mention the 10NES chip, though that was less hardware flaw and more Pure Yamauchi Evil.

[ZippyDSMlee]

When Nintendo released the NES in the United States, the design styling was deliberately different from that of other game consoles. Nintendo wanted to distinguish its product from those of competitors, and to avoid the generally poor reputation that game consoles had acquired following the video game crash of 1983. One result of this philosophy was a front-loading zero insertion force (ZIF) cartridge socket designed to resemble the front-loading mechanism of a VCR. The ZIF connector worked quite well when both the connector and the cartridges were clean and the pins on the connector were new. Unfortunately, the ZIF connector was not truly zero insertion force. When a user inserted the cartridge into the NES, the force of pressing the cartridge down and into place bent the contact pins slightly, as well as pressing the cartridge’s ROM board back into the cartridge itself. Repeated insertion and removal of cartridges caused the pins to wear out relatively quickly, and the ZIF design proved far more prone to interference by dirt and dust than an industry-standard card edge connector. Exacerbating the problem was Nintendo’s choice of materials; the slot connector that the cartridge was actually inserted into was made of a cheap alloy that was highly prone to corrosion. Add-on peripherals like the popular Game Genie cheat cartridge tended to further exacerbate this problem by bending the front-loading mechanism during gameplay. Recently, third-party manufacturers have been producing gold clones of the NES connector piece to replace the existing one and prevent corrosion.



I'm not even going to mention the 10NES chip, though that was less hardware flaw and more Pure Yamauchi Evil.

ouch

But for the most part manufacturers have learned to to fck with the system so much right?
or is it more like every 3 consoles no matter who makes it it will have issues galore.

[steelcobra]

When Nintendo released the NES in the United States, the design styling was deliberately different from that of other game consoles. Nintendo wanted to distinguish its product from those of competitors, and to avoid the generally poor reputation that game consoles had acquired following the video game crash of 1983. One result of this philosophy was a front-loading zero insertion force (ZIF) cartridge socket designed to resemble the front-loading mechanism of a VCR. The ZIF connector worked quite well when both the connector and the cartridges were clean and the pins on the connector were new. Unfortunately, the ZIF connector was not truly zero insertion force. When a user inserted the cartridge into the NES, the force of pressing the cartridge down and into place bent the contact pins slightly, as well as pressing the cartridge’s ROM board back into the cartridge itself. Repeated insertion and removal of cartridges caused the pins to wear out relatively quickly, and the ZIF design proved far more prone to interference by dirt and dust than an industry-standard card edge connector. Exacerbating the problem was Nintendo’s choice of materials; the slot connector that the cartridge was actually inserted into was made of a cheap alloy that was highly prone to corrosion. Add-on peripherals like the popular Game Genie cheat cartridge tended to further exacerbate this problem by bending the front-loading mechanism during gameplay. Recently, third-party manufacturers have been producing gold clones of the NES connector piece to replace the existing one and prevent corrosion.



I'm not even going to mention the 10NES chip, though that was less hardware flaw and more Pure Yamauchi Evil.

The worst part was that the Famicom was a more standard top slot design.

[KN]

The worst part was that the Famicom was a more standard top slot design.

Jup.

They did release a NES2 riiight before the end of the NES' lifespan, but that thing was just incredibly ugly.


I wonder why they couldn't make the SNES' toploading work that well as that.


Who here has never had to reposition the cart three times before the game would start?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Jup.

They did release a NES2 riiight before the end of the NES' lifespan, but that thing was just incredibly ugly.


I wonder why they couldn't make the SNES' toploading work that well as that.


Who here has never had to reposition the cart three times before the game would start?

rarely had any issues with the SNES

[KN]

rarely had any issues with the SNES

The American one was a bit different (and exceedingly more ugly). Maybe this is a Super Famicom/Yurpean SNES problem.

[Joe Zuff]

Say, this may be completely off topic with what your talking about and I'm sorry about that, but I must ask this question. Since ESRB rates all the games, is it illegal for a minor to play Mature rated games such as Halo (2)? Is it against ANY laws that prohibit a minor from playing M games? I'm an avid gamer, but don't want to break any laws. Can ANYBODY help me out with this please. Thank you my friends :) .

[ZippyDSMlee]

Say, this may be completely off topic with what your talking about and I'm sorry about that, but I must ask this question. Since ESRB rates all the games, is it illegal for a minor to play Mature rated games such as Halo (2)? Is it against ANY laws that prohibit a minor from playing M games? I'm an avid gamer, but don't want to break any laws. Can ANYBODY help me out with this please. Thank you my friends :) .

Why not ask in the ESRB Sub form?? :X

TO answer your Q no in the US its illegal for the goverment to tie laws into non governmental organizations ,thats why such laws get shot down rather quickly when the polis pass them.

So no you can play it all you want going to a store and buying it might be tricky since retail is cutting back selling stuff to minors if employees do that they might get fired but thats the worst thing that can happen...well that and or gettign in trouble with your parents :X

[IonD.]

Jup.

They did release a NES2 riiight before the end of the NES' lifespan, but that thing was just incredibly ugly.


I wonder why they couldn't make the SNES' toploading work that well as that.


Who here has never had to reposition the cart three times before the game would start?
Aesthetics aside, because that's completely based on the taste of the individual anyways, there's something about the feel of pushing the games down into the machine that I love about the NES and which will never be the same for any other console. I just love it.

However, there's always wear and tear on cartridges and cartridge slots. It's impossible to not have it. The same can be said for CD/DVD-systems; it's gonna get wear no matter how careful you are.

It is good to see, however, Microsoft moving so rapidly on the 65nm issue. The question is, however, how will the consumer know which version he is buying? I don't have an Xbox 360 yet, but eventually, I'll get one, and I want the coolest, quietest, cheapest one available when it is out, but how will I know?

Anyone know about that?

[KN]

I just hope we get the new ones. I could really do with a cooler 360. I know a PS3 can kill a 360 from sheer warmth, so I don't want to know what a 360 does to a Wii.

[IonD.]

hehe, can you say "thermonuclear meltdown"? ;-)

Seriously, though, the PS3 and 360 are sucking up the electricity like there's no tomorrow. There was a thing I saw about calculating how much money it will cost you yearly, around $30 if I'm not mistaken. (I lost that link, though...)

Still, progress can't be halted, now, can it?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Aesthetics aside, because that's completely based on the taste of the individual anyways, there's something about the feel of pushing the games down into the machine that I love about the NES and which will never be the same for any other console. I just love it.

However, there's always wear and tear on cartridges and cartridge slots. It's impossible to not have it. The same can be said for CD/DVD-systems; it's gonna get wear no matter how careful you are.

It is good to see, however, Microsoft moving so rapidly on the 65nm issue. The question is, however, how will the consumer know which version he is buying? I don't have an Xbox 360 yet, but eventually, I'll get one, and I want the coolest, quietest, cheapest one available when it is out, but how will I know?

Anyone know about that?

Like anythign tech the average consumer want know until its to late unless MS makes press releases over it the sheeple will be waped at night like always i guess....

[Rhaigun]

I think the more important question would be, why weren't these issues tested and corrected before the 360 went to market? Don't get me wrong. I love my 360. (Actually, it's my second.) However, I find it frustrating to know that this is a huge issue for current 360 owners, and it's hard to believe that MS didn't see this coming.

It's bad enough they release a better version after launch (Elite), but they didn't even address the major issues with it's release. It still has the same overheating problems as the premium and core editions. It was said it was going to have the 65nm chips and a better heatsink, but it doesn't. Why would they do this? Simple. Revenue. It's hard to believe that they'd think we'd fall for it, and yet the Elite has had nothing but critisizm since it's release. I would have upgraded if they would have addressed the issues, but at this point it isn't worth it.

[ZippyDSMlee]

I think the more important question would be, why weren't these issues tested and corrected before the 360 went to market? Don't get me wrong. I love my 360. (Actually, it's my second.) However, I find it frustrating to know that this is a huge issue for current 360 owners, and it's hard to believe that MS didn't see this coming.

It's bad enough they release a better version after launch (Elite), but they didn't even address the major issues with it's release. It still has the same overheating problems as the premium and core editions. It was said it was going to have the 65nm chips and a better heatsink, but it doesn't. Why would they do this? Simple. Revenue. It's hard to believe that they'd think we'd fall for it, and yet the Elite has had nothing but critisizm since it's release. I would have upgraded if they would have addressed the issues, but at this point it isn't worth it.

From what I "hear" it was a manufacturing that screwed up the assembly since MS is not consumer friendly a recall is going out of their way they can simply double the warrenty and refuse a percentage of them over small issues like emtpy box or a smug on the warrenty sticker they save tons of money that way!

Rep -666 but they save money!

[IonD.]

Like anythign tech the average consumer want know until its to late unless MS makes press releases over it the sheeple will be waped at night like always i guess....
Well, there must be some kind of production or assembly number on these things, like the PS2, at least, had, if I recall correctly. Keeping track of them might help.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well, there must be some kind of production or assembly number on these things, like the PS2, at least, had, if I recall correctly. Keeping track of them might help.

so far theres 3 or 4 SKU and I heard that they wont change the SKU for the new CPUs so you need to go by manufacturing date.

[IonD.]

Hmm... that complicates matters exponentially. Is production date listed on the box? (Sorry, never did check.) Or do you have to ask the seller?