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kurisu7885

10-11-2007, 06:12 PM

I never played GTA3. I do remember a mission in GTA:Vice City where you use an RC helo to drop bombs in a construction site.

Actually, that was using an RC helicopter to plant explosives throughout the structure. It was for a crooked landlord I believe.

nightwng2000

10-11-2007, 09:01 PM

I just realized two very important facts:

(1) THAT'S JOHNNY FIVE'S BABY! THEY'RE GONNA BLOW UP JOHNNY FIVE'S BABY! AWWWWWW!

(2) If we're a part of the British empire...
NO MORE WAITING AN EXTRA YEAR FOR NEW DOCTOR WHO EPISODES!
Oh oh, and since we're a part of the empire, our "Bring back Billie Piper!" protest will hold more weight!

mechboy

10-11-2007, 10:38 PM

(2) If we're a part of the British empire...
NO MORE WAITING AN EXTRA YEAR FOR NEW DOCTOR WHO EPISODES!
Oh oh, and since we're a part of the empire, our "Bring back Billie Piper!" protest will hold more weight!

Would you like a Jelly Baby?
:D

nightwng2000

10-11-2007, 11:20 PM

Would you like a Jelly Baby?
:D

Actually, truth be told, I've had the real thing. Bassett's Jelly Babies. Somehow, a friend of a co worker brought some to the US a few months ago. I say "somehow" because I think I read somewhere that they were banned in the US due to some dye or something not approved by the FDA.

Anyway, they are the BEST jelly-like candy (I HATE gummy bears!) I've ever had.
Must
Have
MORE!

BearDogg-X

10-12-2007, 12:00 AM

So let me get this straight:

This site is part of the British empire, yet the site is based in Philadelphia.

http://www.fanforum.com/images/smilies/crazy.gif Whatever.

Demontestament

10-12-2007, 01:18 AM

So let me get this straight:

This site is part of the British empire, yet the site is based in Philadelphia.

http://www.fanforum.com/images/smilies/crazy.gif Whatever.

The world shifted again didn't you hear?

Pelor

10-12-2007, 03:10 AM

If the Xbox is supposed to be training kids to join the army, they're releasing completely stupid games to achieve that objective. For one, military robots can't bunny-hop.

Secondly, what you are seeing here is the military adopting a civilian technology, not the other way around. You know, like how the military also adopted the qwerty keyboard? The military certainly didn't develop the Xbox controller, then contract Microsoft to release it with their console.

Anyway, about the controller: genius. I personally think the Playstation controller is more comfortable, but the Xbox feels much more durable. It's also about time they started using a hand-held controller. In previous demonstrations of unmanned vehicles, soldiers were using a suitcase-sized control panels. This system makes the operators much more mobile.

Also, those are American soldiers, so I don't understand the reference to Britain.

Well, the touch pad (Yup, DS fan here) and Wiimote do facilitate for more delicate movement, since they're working to pretty high sensitivity standards.
Even if that's true, disarming a bomb by remote requires precise movement, which disqualifies anything that's supposed to follow your twitchy appendages.

10-12-2007, 11:28 AM

Anyone confused by LaRouchite statements should read up on the things they are taught/the things LaRouche says. Britain is evil because they tried to kill him, and the queen is a drug baron.

beemoh

10-12-2007, 11:39 AM

Anyone confused by LaRouchite statements should read up on the things they are taught/the things LaRouche says. Britain is evil because they tried to kill him, and the queen is a drug baron.

To rob a joke from some stand up comedian- legally, anything you send through the post is the Queen's property from the moment it enters the mailbox- meaning you can mail somebody [a typical amount[ of [some drug}, and have the Queen done for posession.

Twin-Skies

10-12-2007, 02:00 PM

kurisu7885

10-12-2007, 02:13 PM

Twin-Skies

10-12-2007, 02:27 PM

No plans to post - I just need to see how they behave in their natural environment. And when they're not looking, I'll tranquilize one, and slap a GPS/ear tag on 'em.

Demontestament

10-12-2007, 02:33 PM

Call me crazy, but does anybody have links to any active forums being run by Larouche's people? I find it very difficult to imagine that all their members talk the way American_System does.

I need to see for myself *dons tinfoil hat*

Well I have talked to one LaRouche Youth member in person. All that conversation turned into was the little zombie trying to provoke me into a fight. When I refused he actually hit me, he hit like a bitch but I found it funny that a LaRouche Youth member, who are supposed to be our Moral and Intellectual superiors resorted to violence because I refused to take his beliefs as the 100% truth.

Can we please change the last part of the title back to "...and their cult" because that is exactly what it is.

American_System

10-12-2007, 02:34 PM

Checkmate, Ok after being on sabbatical a bit I step back into this thread. While other mods may look away, everyone around here knows I don't take to hurling foul language lightly. Consider this a polite reminder that calling the entire forum assholes won't get you any love from the mods. -Toll
25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g

Hannah

10-12-2007, 02:40 PM

Checkmate, assholes:
25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g

I want one.

Twin-Skies

10-12-2007, 02:44 PM

Suddenly it all becomes clear: Steel Battalion for the 360 is a murder simulator!!!

OMG, does that mean my mad skillz in Armored Core and Renpou vs Zion are in fact a preparation for me to pilot a real-life mech? I can't wait...:D

Demontestament

10-12-2007, 02:49 PM

Checkmate, assholes:
25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g

And this proves what? That is robotics not a video game, but then again I wouldn't expect a simpleton like yourself to be able to tell the difference. And Assholes? Guess you are exactly like your leader, when he gets beat he results to name calling and insults. You know if England was trying to kill him he would of been dead by now, he is just pissed because even over in England they know he is nothing more than a loudmouth old man who has nothing better to do with his life. LaRouche slipped out of reality a long time ago and into his own little world.

About the robot, it looks like crap and I doubt it would hit a moving target very well, stationary maybe I mean it would be a good sniper drone but in a heavy combat situation it would be taken down in a matter of seconds. That is unless it can stand up to a RPG.

10-12-2007, 02:58 PM

Checkmate, assholes:
25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g

Video games = controllers = robots = US army killer robots.

I wish logic like that worked for me :(

Twin-Skies

10-12-2007, 02:58 PM

And this proves what? That is robotics not a video game, but then again I wouldn't expect a simpleton like yourself to be able to tell the difference. And Assholes? Guess you are exactly like your leader, when he gets beat he results to name calling and insults. You know if England was trying to kill him he would of been dead by now, he is just pissed because even over in England they know he is nothing more than a loudmouth old man who has nothing better to do with his life. LaRouche slipped out of reality a long time ago and into his own little world.

About the robot, it looks like crap and I doubt it would hit a moving target very well, stationary maybe I mean it would be a good sniper drone but in a heavy combat situation it would be taken down in a matter of seconds. That is unless it can stand up to a RPG.

That, and the fact that the control rig used in the video doesn't look anything like the 360 controller American_System posted earlier.

Lemme guess - this is the Elite model, while the one earlier's the Core.

Where's the love...and the consistency...with your point, American?

kurisu7885

10-12-2007, 02:59 PM

Checkmate, assholes:
25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g

Wow, you must not have watched the video at all. You likely just saw that the controller, a briefcase sized device with about 20 different buttons on it, vaguely resembled a control board on an arcade cabinet, or the hundred dollar Steel Battalion controller.

If you had, and I know I might be asking too much here, watched the entire video, you'd know that this robot isn't solely designed to kill, it's designed to put a soldier out of harm's way, and should be a detterant to an enemy since a robot is expendable and can't show fear. Also, there are more steps to arming it than pressing a blue button. They need to release a safety catch first. the robot can also be fitted with a teargas sprayer/launcher, rubber bullet round,s and numerous other riot devices aside form a machine gun.

Wow, a gamer payed attention to an education program. You lose again.
Also, you may consider us your enemy, but passing insults makes you look petty. Also, never declare victory before it's a certainty.

Demontestament

10-12-2007, 03:01 PM

That, and the fact that the control rig used in the video doesn't look anything like the 360 controller American_System posted earlier.

Lemme guess - this is the Elite model, while the one earlier's a the Core.

Where's the love...and the consistency...with your point, American?

He has no point, he just up and trolls this thread posting irrelevant pictures and videos that his lord and master thinks helps their battle against a non existent enemy. He is a troll of JT proportions who just insults us and then resorts to cowardly tactics and runs away instead of trying to intelligently defend his point. But then again to intelligently defend ones point one must first have intelligence and not the skills to just post copy pasta from the Overminds' website.

Twin-Skies

10-12-2007, 03:16 PM

American_System:

DarrelBT

10-12-2007, 06:22 PM

He has no point, he just up and trolls this thread posting irrelevant pictures and videos that his lord and master thinks helps their battle against a non existent enemy. He is a troll of JT proportions who just insults us and then resorts to cowardly tactics and runs away instead of trying to intelligently defend his point. But then again to intelligently defend ones point one must first have intelligence and not the skills to just post copy pasta from the Overminds' website.

I remembered when he used to post extremely long posts that were actually "intelligent" (or at least, seemingly intelligent posts).

I wonder what happened along the way?

MaskedPixelante

10-12-2007, 06:31 PM

I remembered when he used to post extremely long posts that were actually "intelligent" (or at least, seemingly intelligent posts).

I wonder what happened along the way?

Another victim of the LaRouche Re-Education Program. He was expressing too much intelligence and free thought, not enough cult mentality.

Twin-Skies

10-12-2007, 06:35 PM

Maybe he's just run out of relevant "copypastas" to spam us with?

nightwng2000

10-12-2007, 08:22 PM

Do you know WHY this video, while clearly imaginative on the part of the corporation and technology available, is actually a STUPID thing to be prattling about by the LaRouches?

Let's look at two examples that have already come to pass.

How many here remember the difficult in getting various vehicles armored? The funding, the GOOD equipment. Having to go through congress for the funding. Etc.

How about the individual body armor? Remember private citizens actually paying for and sending the armor to the soldiers?

Now, imagine someone comes to congress and says "we need a massive amount of money to put RC controlled offensive weapon robots into service. They each cost a lot of money, but they'll save lives. And, hey, we can put them in harms way because they are expendable. And when they are destroyed, you can just plunk down a bunch more money for replacements."

Oh, yeah, that'll go over REAL WELL with Congress. Uh huh.

Now maybe, MAYBE, scout RC robots, especially airborne ones. But offsnsive weapon robots? Maybe a VERY limited supply, but not something they can just throw out there and say "don't worry, we'll just buy more". Nope, not gonna happen.

kurisu7885

10-13-2007, 12:19 AM

Pelor

10-13-2007, 04:30 AM

Oh noez! I've discovered another toy that trains are children to kill!!!

http://www.practicalhampers.com.au/images/cart_thumbnails/remotecontrolsuv.jpg

beemoh

10-13-2007, 11:49 AM

Checkmate, assholes

I think the insult, coupled with the earlier racism is worthy of a ban, anybody else?

kurisu7885

10-13-2007, 12:26 PM

He did make it obvious he isn't here for debate. He came here to preach that we're all messed up in the head and was likely aiming to convert us to his side. when that failed, he resorted to petty insults and postign irrelevant imagery.

BearDogg-X

10-13-2007, 01:09 PM

I think the insult, coupled with the earlier racism is worthy of a ban, anybody else?

http://th208.photobucket.com/albums/bb267/Sparky_Man666/th_ban_him.jpg

SlyFox

10-13-2007, 01:16 PM

Checkmate, assholes:
25 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsZ2NMcMG4g

It keeps our soldiers safe. Therefore, I like it. Also, simpler models can be created by high-school students or younger if they have the knowledge (thank you, Internet).

Oh wait... you don't care about the our soldiers, do you? No, I guess not.

BearDogg-X

10-13-2007, 01:28 PM

It keeps our soldiers safe. Therefore, I like it. Also, simpler models can be created by high-school students or younger if they have the knowledge (thank you, Internet).

Oh wait... you don't care about the our soldiers, do you? No, I guess not.

No, IMHO, none of anti-game people(like the delusion weirdo society that is the LaRoucheites, and Jack Thompson) care about our troops.

10-13-2007, 01:58 PM

I think the insult, coupled with the earlier racism is worthy of a ban, anybody else?

Nooo, he's funny :(

But even if we do that, there are many LaRouchites to take his place.

kurisu7885

10-13-2007, 02:08 PM

No, IMHO, none of anti-game people(like the delusion weirdo society that is the LaRoucheites, and Jack Thompson) care about our troops.

Considering they are both working hard to circumvent if not destroy the very freedoms those soldiers give their lives to protect.

BearDogg-X

10-13-2007, 02:14 PM

Considering they are both working hard to circumvent if not destroy the very freedoms those soldiers give their lives to protect.

Exactly. It's considered treason in my book.

In fact, Thompson himself admitted as much in a letter he sent to Take-Two last year on the anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist/homicide attacks.

Hannah

10-13-2007, 03:13 PM

No, IMHO, none of anti-game people(like the delusion weirdo society that is the LaRoucheites, and Jack Thompson) care about our troops.

Well, I don't care about them either, but I'm Canadian so I have an excuse ;)

nightwng2000

10-13-2007, 03:35 PM

And you know my repeated comments about banning anyone.

Hannah

10-13-2007, 03:40 PM

I think the insult, coupled with the earlier racism is worthy of a ban, anybody else?

I'm against banning him, personally. He has strong opinions, but as long as he keeps to this thread, I think his value as a representative of his kind outweighs any minor insults that he may fling our way.

Besides, as KN has said, he's funny ;)

MaskedPixelante

10-13-2007, 03:56 PM

I guess the question is "is he worthy of being on the receiving end of the banhammer?"

nightwng2000

10-13-2007, 04:10 PM

I'm against banning him, personally. He has strong opinions, but as long as he keeps to this thread, I think his value as a representative of his kind outweighs any minor insults that he may fling our way.

Besides, as KN has said, he's funny ;)

Heck, the insults and the LACK of opinions (responses to questions or counterarguments) are ALSO representative of his kind and should be there for the whole world to see and realize that joining the LYM is a really STUPID idea.

American_System

10-13-2007, 08:36 PM

Heck, the insults and the LACK of opinions (responses to questions or counterarguments) are ALSO representative of his kind and should be there for the whole world to see and realize that joing the LYM is a really STUPID idea.

If you're going to inslut someone, at least spell correctively.

kurisu7885

10-13-2007, 09:00 PM

If you're going to inslut someone, at least spell correctively.

It's insult. Say it with me. Insult.

If you're correcting someone, check their sentence for ACTUAL spelling errors and don't make an error yourself.

And in this instance you should say correctly, not correctively.

What? Do they try to unteach you all grammar as well?

10-13-2007, 09:08 PM

Oh god, he actually edited that post, and he didn't take out the ****ing typo.

kurisu7885

10-13-2007, 09:12 PM

Oh god, he actually edited that post, and he didn't take out the ****ing typo.

My or AS missing an S? :confused:

nightwng2000

10-13-2007, 10:05 PM

Pah! "joing" changed to "joining".

And that's the ONLY complaint? Pah! Damn bomb robot has more independant thought than AS does.

And STILL no responses to past questions or counter arguments by others.

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Human species:
:: Holds up intelligent posts from the regular GP crowd containing overwhelming intelligent comments, questions, and counter arguments. ::
This is the Average to Above-Average Human brain.

:: Holds up posts and articles by American_System and other LaRouche members from here and their main site as well as the e-text archives and other locations. All of which are filled with ignorant conspiracy theory, dodging of questions and counter-arguments, and/or a complete lack of substance. ::

This is your brain on the LaRouche Youth Movement.

----

Any questions?

kurisu7885

10-13-2007, 10:30 PM

Pelor

10-14-2007, 01:57 AM

nightwng2000

10-14-2007, 07:32 AM

Twin-Skies

10-14-2007, 08:27 AM

Wait, guys. I figured it out! I understand Larouche! I am one with his brilliance!

You see-- military robots shouldn't be controlled with joysticks and buttons because that's how video games are played. Instead, they should be controlled with... microphones! Yes!--oh, wait, crap. Playstation had a microphone, didn't it? shiiiit.

I guess I was wrong. He is crazy.

Don't forget the DS...I am nearly offended you forgot to mention that little bundle of joy. It makes far more use of its built-in mike for its games.

And American_System...

"If you're going to inslut someone, at least spell correctively."

"correctively" is redundant. Perhaps you're after the word "correctly"?

MaskedPixelante

10-14-2007, 10:14 AM

Maybe he's just speaking ironically

kurisu7885

10-14-2007, 10:17 AM

Maybe he's just speaking ironically

If a LaRouche-ite can't understand humor, what makes anyone think they can understand irony?

American_System

10-14-2007, 12:23 PM

If a LaRouche-ite can't understand humor, what makes anyone think they can understand irony?

**IRONY ALERT** **IRONY ALERT** **IRONY ALERT**
The following statement is intended irony. British subjects participating in the British Empire's Game Politics Forum should not try to digest this statement while in the middle of game(s) usage. Please devote at least 45% of your attention span. Also, beware of falling sarcasm.

*sigh*
Could somebody ban me now, PLEASE?!

10-14-2007, 12:34 PM

He's so cute :3

If you get banned, can you please send one of your friends this way?

Mr.Pat

10-14-2007, 05:14 PM

**IRONY ALERT** **IRONY ALERT** **IRONY ALERT**
The following statement is intended irony. British subjects participating in the British Empire's Game Politics Forum should not try to digest this statement while in the middle of game(s) usage. Please devote at least 45% of your attention span. Also, beware of falling sarcasm.

*sigh*
Could somebody ban me now, PLEASE?!

You're doing it wrong.

Brokenscope

10-14-2007, 05:26 PM

He wants to be a forum an hero?

Soldat_Louis

10-14-2007, 05:35 PM

Last news from Lyndon LaRouche himself : here is the transcript of his october 10th webcast (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/14/larouche-webcast-transcript-save-american-republic-british-e.html) about "saving the American Republic From the British Empire". Concerning video games in particular, during the series of questions/answers, a representative asked him about young people pursuing an idea vs. pursuing a job, and here is an excerpt of his answer (emphasis by me) :

(...)
Well, first of all, give up video games, because the same mind that is destroyed by video games—and it is destroyed—can be employed to do elementary kinds of machine-tool design, experimental design, proof-of-principle experiments. And the key thing, of course, is in universities and secondary schools to have access and regular programs in which the young people would not simply scribble formulas on a wall, but would actually construct devices, which are experimental devices, test devices, that test physical principles, in short.

This, of course, went with a community, usually, in which there was a demand for a machine-tool and related kinds of skills, chemical skills and so forth, and therefore you would have a young population in the community finding out what's going on in the community, and we would naturally attract them to relive through these experiments, these historic experiments themselves, in biology, biological work, and other things—instrumentation.

Now, when you educate people in that form, they really are having access to being able to do almost anything, in principle. They're developing the capacity to do almost anything. Two things: first of all, I think we ought to have Microsoft pay a penalty for what it's doing, because I don't think its computers are going to hold up much longer the way they're going. Because what we need to do is not video games. We need to have the minds of people involved in experiencing discoveries of principle, especially physical principle, biological principle, and so forth.
(...)

Well, it's LaRouche, after all... :rolleyes:

American_System

10-14-2007, 06:23 PM

HAHA!
That sounds crazy! Machine-tools....proof-of-principle experiments...
sheez, i can't believe anybody would say that.
..oh wait, whoops! What's going on here...

Is it allowed to agree with LaRouche? Will somebody speak up and let me know if its okay to agree with him? Cause it kind of makes sense...regarding our discussion of education earlier...I'm confused. I need somebody who is British to tell me what to think about this...QUICK!

Pelor

10-14-2007, 06:53 PM

No no no no... I agree with you. We can't have minds destroyed by entertainment. You see, when people are entertained or performing leisure activities, they are not working. People should be spending more time working for the good of America.

So we should outlaw things that people prefer over work. Then people will be happy to work more. In fact, if our program of restricting enjoyable activities is successful, people may be willing to voluntarily work more than eight hours a day. This will increase the productivity of America, and allow us to throw off the shackles of British oppression.

American_System

10-14-2007, 06:58 PM

umm...where does LaRouche say that?

Pelor

10-14-2007, 07:04 PM

Right here:

(...)
Well, first of all, give up video games, because the same mind that is destroyed by video games—and it is destroyed—can be employed to do elementary kinds of machine-tool design, experimental design, proof-of-principle experiments. And the key thing, of course, is in universities and secondary schools to have access and regular programs in which the young people would not simply scribble formulas on a wall, but would actually construct devices, which are experimental devices, test devices, that test physical principles, in short.

This, of course, went with a community, usually, in which there was a demand for a machine-tool and related kinds of skills, chemical skills and so forth, and therefore you would have a young population in the community finding out what's going on in the community, and we would naturally attract them to relive through these experiments, these historic experiments themselves, in biology, biological work, and other things—instrumentation.

Now, when you educate people in that form, they really are having access to being able to do almost anything, in principle. They're developing the capacity to do almost anything. Two things: first of all, I think we ought to have Microsoft pay a penalty for what it's doing, because I don't think its computers are going to hold up much longer the way they're going. Because what we need to do is not video games. We need to have the minds of people involved in experiencing discoveries of principle, especially physical principle, biological principle, and so forth.
[...]

ladidadida message is too short so i have to add more to it

American_System

10-14-2007, 07:09 PM

Pelor

10-14-2007, 07:13 PM

so are you saying you are against productive labor or something?
I don't get it...but then again, I guess I am the brainwashed one.
Okay, I will be good. I will disagree with LaRouche. First lesson from the British Empire:

PRODUCTIVE LABOR IS BAD!

How am I doing?

so are you saying you are against leisure activities or something?
I don't get it...but then again, I guess I am the brainwashed one.
Okay, I will be good. I will agree with LaRouche. First lesson from the LaRouche camp:

LEISURE TIME IS BAD!

How am I doing?

:D

Soldat_Louis

10-14-2007, 07:14 PM

HAHA!
That sounds crazy! Machine-tools....proof-of-principle experiments...
sheez, i can't believe anybody would say that.

T-t-t-t don't play dumber than you are, please.

What "sounds crazy" is not talking about "machine-tools or "proof-of-principle experiments". It's claiming that video games are intrisicly "destroying minds" and preventing people from discovering or creating whatever you want.

By the way, we're not the ones who're saying who to agree with, and who is bad. You'll hardly hear the words "evil" and "satanic" from us. But you'll hear them quite often from LaRouche and his movement, for everything and anything : video games, rock'n'roll, Al Gore, Dungeons & Dragons, Hollywood... not to forget the Brits (but I may agree with you on that point, as the British Rugby team defeated the French one yesterday on semi-finals :( ).

American_System

10-14-2007, 07:23 PM

that sounds crazy...really? So you claim that video games improve the mind? Please go on...

Brokenscope

10-14-2007, 07:30 PM

Math blaster.

Theres is also the little fact that your glorious leader has nothing to say on the subject of Nintendo or Sony. Really with his hate of Microsoft you would think he would be pushing linux, or maybe even apple, or does he think that the Ipod and 0SX are the works of the great devil Jobs.

American_System

10-14-2007, 07:32 PM

please...even john von neumann was good at math.

but I am interested, if what you are saying is math improves the mind.

Please, go on...

Brokenscope

10-14-2007, 07:35 PM

Von Neuman was a rather interesting man, though from your tone you would seem to think otherwise.

American_System

10-14-2007, 07:37 PM

so are you saying you are against leisure activities or something?
I don't get it...but then again, I guess I am the brainwashed one.
Okay, I will be good. I will agree with LaRouche. First lesson from the LaRouche camp:

LEISURE TIME IS BAD!

How am I doing?

:D

Pelor, do you think a dichotomy must exist between leisure and labor? Or do you think that leisure must be non-productive?

American_System

10-14-2007, 07:38 PM

Von Neuman was a rather interesting man, though from your tone you would seem to think otherwise.

No, I agree, he was rather interesting. but how exactly does math improve the mind? I have been trying to figure this out my whole life.

American_System

10-14-2007, 07:46 PM

What "sounds crazy" is not talking about "machine-tools or "proof-of-principle experiments". It's claiming that video games are intrisicly "destroying minds" and preventing people from discovering or creating whatever you want.

Soldat Louis, I would love to play video games that "improve minds". I played many, and was rather disappointed with their effects. Can you recommend some good mind-improving games please?

Soldat_Louis

10-14-2007, 07:49 PM

that sounds crazy...really? So you claim that video games improve the mind? Please go on...

Argumentation lesson #1 : when a person disagrees with a specific claim, it doesn't mean this person defends the exact opposite. This is what is called a "nuance".

Argumentation lesson #2 : when something doesn't have a certain property, it doesn't mean it automatically has the opposite property. "Nuance", once again.

So when I said it was stupid to claim that video games were intrisicly "destroying minds", I never claimed they intrisicly developed minds. Video games per se are neither good nor bad. They are programs whose behavior can be modified in order to play with them. What they do to the mind or the rest, it depends on what is put into the game and how it is used. But "destroying minds"... :rolleyes:

Soldat_Louis

10-14-2007, 07:59 PM

Soldat Louis, I would love to play video games that "improve minds". I played many, and was rather disappointed with their effects. Can you recommend some good mind-improving games please?

Didn't see that one. If your question is sincere, and if you really want examples of good "mind-challenging" games, turn-by-turn strategy, management, and old adventure games are a good start. You have to deal with many parameters at the same time, and anticipate a lot of things. Also, simulations (not only flight, but also train and sailing) require an amount of time and effort before masterizing them. Finally, don't forget the possibilities to modify most available games, and create your own worlds from A to Z.

Else, I haven't tried the Brain Training series, but it seems to work.

Well, that's a start. Ask other fellows (politely) if you want to know more, because I have to leave. Good nite everyone, have fun !

American_System

10-14-2007, 08:04 PM

But "destroying minds"... :rolleyes:
The problem with a purely digital framework, such as a video game, is that its inherent coherence with reality is determined by its logic. Any gamer that recognizes this could then decide to pursue reality, or indulge in the fantasy. But this choice can be abused, and for many young gamers, this choice is less and less of a self-conscious one.

The way in which this divide, between a video game and the physical universe, is manipulated, by companies like Microsoft, the U.S. Department of Defense, or Rupert Murdoch, and the failure to make up for this divide through a thriving machine-tool sector, might explain the popular support for (or lack of opposition to) the current Revolution in Military Affairs.

nightwng2000

10-14-2007, 09:06 PM

Ladies and Gentlemen of the Public viewership:
What you are seeing in American System, and LaRouche himself, now is the attempt to mix and match several aspects of an individual's life into one big muddled mess.

Allow us a moment to untangle this web of deceit and misinformation used to confuse their audience.

The productive, work times are used to advance and benefit the overall society. The building of previously designed products, as well as the creation of new products is a necessary function for a large portion of society for the continuation, as well as advancement, of society as a whole.

Leisure time, a time for rest, relaxation, and prevention of a single, repetitive daily function which would lead to mental fatigue and mental stress. Each individual has their own interests as to what constitutes leisure. There are actually many facets of each form of leisure that appeal to a variety of individuals. There are some individuals who share similar interests, while others are different in the extreme.

Productive work time can be enjoyable for some individuals, and in fact, may improve work performance. But it is still work and can be repetitive and therefore potentially stressful.

It should be noted that, as with many forms of media, video games contain a large genre to draw from. Not merely limited to strictly entertainment, there are actually educational games (sometimes referred to as "edu-tainment") and even expressive games (those that may impart a political message, whether positive or negative).

Contrary to popular belief, educational games do not have to contain school work type of content. It is recommended that the reader seek out games identified as "puzzle games", which are at times primarily visual (two such examples would be Tetris and Bejeweled). Other challenging brain games have been The Incredible Machine by Sierra, a large number of DOS games by Soleau Games, and Brain Age for the DS. There are also many family board games as well as crossword puzzles available for PC and game systems. It is, as I said before, recommended that you do a good deal of research on these games through Google as well as gaming review sites such as gamespot.com, ign.com, and other similar sites of your preference.

Whether AS and/or LaRouche are suggesting that you have NO leisure time, or ONLY LaRouche approved leisure time, you should know that, as a citizen of the United States, you are a free citizen, not bound by the dictates of any other individual or organization. So long as you are not violating the Rights of any other citizen, you are free to enjoy whatever form of rest and relaxation suits your desires.

Do not limit yourself to the confusing misinformation spread by LaRouche and their followers. Do REAL research. Don't even limit yourself to my comments. Seek what is best for YOU, not what someone else wants you to participate or not participate in.

DarrelBT

10-14-2007, 09:16 PM

It doesn't really matter what the Larouchies try to say.

As long as Larouche has that black eye of his (ie Convicted felon), no one with half a brain would even give Larouche the time of day.

Not even Fox News (a "News" site notorious for sensationalism) would take them seriously because Larouche = crazy. The only people who even take him seriously are the Youth Movement, but only because they never met the man in person and that his pseudo-intellectual jargon sounds smart. The reason they sound "intelligent" is because his cronies takes his mindless rants and sugarcoat them to make them sound smart, and the reason is because if it were his words alone, they wouldn't sound smart at all.

The man could tell them that jumping off a bridge would save the American economy and they'd do it. Or more accurately, his cronies would tell them to jump off a bridge and they'd do it because if Larouche himself in person told them to do it, the Larouche Movement would tell him to piss off for being a lunatic.

Incidentally, America System promised that he'll never come back here ever again because apparently to him, this place is a "cesspool". That didn't last very long now, did it?

DarrelBT

10-14-2007, 09:27 PM

Give it up. We're talking about a man who thinks Chess is evil. The only thing he approves of in terms of leisure time are reading Shakesphere and anything written by HIM and HIS institute. That's it.

I have no problems with the former, but I'd stress that variety is the spice of life and that man cannot live by Shakesphere alone.

The latter is just a practice of self-masturbation to make himself feel big.

Pelor

10-14-2007, 09:35 PM

Can you guys lay off the platitudes for a bit. I know that I was doing it too, but he's actually responding with something other than copypasta or snappy little remarks, and I'd like to help Soldat tear him a new one.

Pelor, do you think a dichotomy must exist between leisure and labor? Or do you think that leisure must be non-productive?
Nope. Now explain why you believe that unproductive leisure is mind-destroying.

In fact, I'd like to hear you explicitly assert that unproductive leisure should be outlawed.

No, I agree, he was rather interesting. but how exactly does math improve the mind? I have been trying to figure this out my whole life.
I will gladly explain this to you. But first, I want you to explicitly state that math is useless (or something to that effect). That way after I debunk your claim, I can gloat about it.

But "destroying minds"...
The problem with a purely digital framework, such as a video game, is that its inherent coherence with reality is determined by its logic.
Luckily, we live in a completely logical world. I can't remember the last time I've met a paradox.

The problem with a purely digital framework, such as a video game, is that its inherent coherence with reality is determined by its logic. Any gamer that recognizes this could then decide to pursue reality, or indulge in the fantasy. But this choice can be abused, and for many young gamers, this choice is less and less of a self-conscious one.
That's not an argument. That's just a list of claims. You haven't connected them into an explanation of how the mind is destroyed.

The claims you've made:
A: A video game doesn't mimic reality perfectly.
B: Gamers have choices between playing games or not.
C: Gamers make poor decisions.

Now connect them into an argument. Explain how the mind is destroyed.

The way in which this divide, between a video game and the physical universe, is manipulated, by companies like Microsoft, the U.S. Department of Defense, or Rupert Murdoch, and the failure to make up for this divide through a thriving machine-tool sector, might explain the popular support for (or lack of opposition to) the current Revolution in Military Affairs.
You know... just once, I would like a person to prove a conspiracy exists before trying to explain how it works.

beemoh

10-14-2007, 09:42 PM

The problem with a purely digital framework, such as a video game, is that its inherent coherence with reality is determined by its logic.

If the study of Physics (and by extension, engineering and mechanics) is valid, then the real world, too, is determined by its own logic- it's just that we don't yet know what all the logic is, or if we do, we aren't able to measure or simulate it accurately/correctly/comprehensively enough- but that's a whole other discussion.

(In theory, that can also be extended through to laws and customs, but, again, whole other discussion)

Any gamer that recognizes this could then decide to pursue reality, or indulge in the fantasy.

...or do both, accepting that one thing is one thing, and the other is the other- the same way we all manage to do with books, films and TV programmes.

Not that the four artforms above and the real world are entirely seperate from one another- it's probably closer to a Venn Diagram of sorts- the obvious analogue would be sports simulation games, which for obvious reasons have a large overlap, but it is also worth considering that a fiction game, in the same way a fiction book, film or TV show might, can also contain analogies that do apply to the real world, and this is before we consider the value of documentaries.

The point is that it really isn't as binary as you seem (seem) to be making it out to be.

Put it this way- when you're not just throwing insults around, what you get critcised for isn't that you agree with the LaRouche set, but it is that you agree with them aparrently without question and don't appear to be able to consider any other sides of the debate- it's all about thinking for yourself and picking out what's right and what's not, separating the fantasy from reality.

(In the interests of discussion and providing an example, I checked up on The political views of Lyndon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_views_of_Lyndon_LaRouche) on Wikipedia- and of the nine bullet points in the Overview section, three of them seem quite palatable to me, if one of them is, IMO, a little too "ideal world" to work, while I still do not agree with his broader values.)

The way in which this divide, between a video game and the physical universe, is manipulated, by companies like Microsoft, the U.S. Department of Defense, or Rupert Murdoch, and the failure to make up for this divide through a thriving machine-tool sector, might explain the popular support for (or lack of opposition to) the current Revolution in Military Affairs.

Right- now you've lost me. So, in brief:

1/ Why games, and not also film, TV, books, music?
1a/ Or at least, why the entire medium, and not just certain examples, for instance with film/TV, L.LaR's views on An Inconvenient Truth vs. The Great Global Warming Swindle?
2/ How and why would the machine-tool sector help bridge/fill this divide?
3/ Which revolution in military affairs (let's face it, depending on who you talk to, there's loads) and what aparrent lack of opposition?
4/ Isn't one who blindly follows the output of a LaRouche news organization just as bad as one who blindly follows that of a Murdoch news org? Isn't it better to take in the comments of both (or more, or others altogether) and make their own mind up?

Soldat_Louis

10-14-2007, 09:50 PM

Other news from the LaRouche movement. Don't think that you Americans are the only ones to have a guy such as LaRouche. In France we have this too : Jacques Cheminade, candidate to Presidential Elections several times. In fact, he's LaRouche's lieutenant, and leader of Solidarité et Progrès, a political party that is the French version of LaRouche movement.

I don't know if you remember the "Eurasian Land-Bridge conference" that happened on last september 15-16 in Germany ? The one where LaRouche's wife, Helga Zepp-LaRouche, briefly lamented that so many people were watching soap operas and played video games ? Well, I forgot to tell you about Cheminade's speech at this same conference. (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/conf-iclc/2007/landbridge_conf_cheminade.html) Well, during his speech, as he was talking about the way a man could be conditioned, he said this (emphasis by me) :

(...)
This present form of oligarchical control or enslavement of the mind manipulates the sensitive to degrade it into the sensuous, then into the sexual and finally into a cult of death: Eros leading to Thanatos, the very program of the Congress for Cultural Freedom, the operation of the Anglo-American services denounced by Frances Stonor Saunders, and fully exposed by us. How does it work? Man is reduced to an animal—a well-trained animal for the higher classes, a low-bred animal for the lower classes—through the destruction of his intimate self, and then he cannot change the system in which he is trapped, because he has lost the very source of knowledge, and can no longer discover the laws of the universe in order to change the universe. There is no more horizon, no more way out of the cage, because he is embedded in the system by manipulation of his senses, just like a journalist embedded with the U.S. Army in the Iraq War becomes unable to understand in what sort of game he is trapped, because his environment is controlled.

Cultural pessimism takes over, and this wrecked man becomes a killer sitting in a Humvee, or a video-game addict set up to "Counter-Strike," trained for random killing. Even if the immense majority do not commit suicide or kill others, the counterculture has killed something crucial in you: your human emotions, the principle of immortality.

Look, historically, at how the French Revolution miscarried, through the taste of blood at the fall of the Bastille. A society, deprived of transcendence by the French and British Enlightenments and reduced to arrangements of sensuous feelings, produced a man with uncontrolled emotions, be they savage or barbarian or both, as Schiller identified him, who falls prey to a cult of death, which Napoleon would later extend to a murderous imperial policy of self-destruction.

Look, then, at our people today; look at our counterculture, which eradicates the very basis for the human mind to develop, as the principle of hearing and the principle of musical composition are destroyed by orgies of noise. What is promoted is an acting out of bestial appetites, a self so selfish that it escapes from reality into a virtual world, with virtual bodies, the so-called "avatars" of Second Life or the "friends" of the more community-oriented website Facebook, or Rupert Murdoch's MySpace, or the British Bebo, or Asmallworld, or Friendster, or LinkedIn, or Mash from Yahoo, or Netvibes. There you are "entertained" in the anxious quest for "friends," friends associated with your pleasure to seduce, with the virtual marketing of your selfish ego. Find the right community of people to belong to, give your name, address, picture, and date of birth; tell us your political views, your religious affiliations, diplomas, jobs; tell us about your relationship status: Single? In a relationship? Engaged? Married? Or "It's complicated"? It does not matter: Friends, friends, friends are awaiting you everywhere.

Then your little narcissistic self controls you from below, while all information about your private life is gathered by the network, like a vacuum cleaner of your "tastes." And you are finished as a human being; you are something in the network, cannon fodder for the system. You are an other-oriented pawn inside a virtual lonely crowd, well beyond what David Riesman warned against in the middle of the 20th Century.

Don't say you are too smart—or too old—to fall into that trap. Check your mind first. And remember the story of the French frog. If you put it into hot water suddenly, it jumps out, but if you first put it in cold water, then in lukewarm water, then you make it warmer and warmer, it feels more and more comfortable—a warm comfort zone, you might say, some like it hot—until it is too late. You have lost all sense of temperature; you are cooked.

Remember what Josef Goebbels used to produce as propaganda: some pro-Nazi movies, right, but mainly entertainment movies to stuff the citizens with entertainment, he said, to disorient them from reality. Now look at today's Hollywood "entertainment" movies, and compare them to Goebbels', putting aside for a moment the historical context. The ones by Goebbels look like fairy tales compared to the Hollywood gory horror shows. This indicates what is in store for us, if we don't change the cultural paradigm. (...)

Well, I know, he doesn't talk that much about video games, but I wanted to give you the entire quote about "entertainment" in general, because it's a global attack.

Twin-Skies

10-15-2007, 02:31 AM

Soldat Louis, I would love to play video games that "improve minds". I played many, and was rather disappointed with their effects. Can you recommend some good mind-improving games please?

Personal recommendations (I stress the word personal):

1. Shadow of the Colussus
2. Okami
3. Xenosaga.

And once again, your use of needlessly big words to say your point is making my eyes bleed. There's an inherent beauty in simplicity of construction - you don't seem to understand that.

KISS

kurisu7885

10-15-2007, 03:10 AM

Can the Phoenix Wright series be added to that list as well as Hotel Dusk?

Hannah

10-15-2007, 03:20 AM

Personal recommendations (I stress the word personal):

1. Shadow of the Colussus
2. Okami
3. Xenosaga.

And once again, your use of needlessly big words to say your point is making my eyes bleed. There's an inherent beauty in simplicity of construction - you don't seem to understand that.

KISS

I would add Civilization, Sim City, and one or more adventure games to that list. I was particularly impressed by Discworld Noir, perhaps because it combined so many of my geeky interests into one game :)

Oldschool edutainment games can also be a lot of fun. Where in the World is Carmen Sandiago is/was an excellent game (through probably somewhat outdated now), and I used to be quite fond of the first few Dr. Brain games, as well as Lost Secret of the Rainforest from the Ecoquest series.

Oh, and I agree with Twin-Skies about your word choice, AS. As much fun as it may be to use such pretentious diction, it merely marks you as a showoff. I'm occasionally guilty of that myself, of course, but I had a particularly excellent English teacher in grade 13 who impressed upon me the importance of using simple language whenever possible. It is much better to save the big words for situations where there is no simple word available. The point of communication is to be understood, after all, not to show off your vocabulary and/or thesaurus.

Twin-Skies

10-15-2007, 05:19 AM

This will sound a little OT, but...

I've always wondered why the LaRouche group never touched on another community that seemingly "promotes" violence - martial artists.

I practice arnis myself (Philippine-style stick-fighting), and as a gamer, I can say that whatever techniques I learn under my training will teach me far more about violence than some FPS or strategy game.

The violence is there, the intention to hurt a real person is there (at least within a certain set of rules), and the requisite mental conditioning to act with violence on instinct (With self control) are there. Care to comment on this, Mr. American_System?

As a further point of clarification, I practice for the sake of fitness of self-defense and fitness - the drills I'm following are built for practical street fighting, not for competitions.

Soldat_Louis

10-15-2007, 05:25 AM

This will sound a little OT, but...

I've always wondered why the LaRouche group never touched on another community that seemingly "promotes" violence - martial artists.

In fact... they did. When they started to talk about "new violence" in 2000, they blasted "Nintendo games" and Pokémon as well as "martial arts mythology" and "samurai mythology".

Edit : Go read there, (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/ctte_lar_mem.html) for instance (emphasis by me) :

(...)
The standpoint of comparison used to aid in conceptualizing the common characteristics of this "New Violence," is the utopian programs, such as H.G. Wells' The Open Conspiracy, Wells-Russell proteagé Aldous Huxley's utopian "New Age" models, the 1931 and 1951 models set forth by Bertrand Russell, and Clockwork Orange, as points of intellectual reference. What is specifically new, is the adaptation of the mythos of the Samurai warrior, and related "martial arts" mythology, combined with lunatic legacies such as "Dungeons and Dragons" and Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, to the childish mad-killer pornography of cinematic cartoons and Nintendo-style games. The use of this method and its derivatives, for the purpose of programmed conditioning of military, law enforcement teams, and for indoctrinating children in a programmed impulse for terrorist forms of violence, is adequately understood only when such Nintendo-game-style conditioning is situated within the utopian doctrine of Russell's relevant 1931 and 1951 writings on the required methods of population control to realize his own and H.G. Wells' oligarchical utopian ends.
(...)

It's not the only quote about "martial arts", but it's the most relevant.

Yukimura

10-15-2007, 07:30 AM

American system seems to think that games, and the playing there off are in someway devoid of mental activity or thought.

As such, it shows how limited his understanding of the medium is and how false his claims to have engaged in it are.

While it may be true that some games are more or less mindless and require little more then violence, most games I've played require everything from active adaptation to numerical memorization to tatical thinking and then some.

For example, the Game God of war, not only engages in bloodshed, but also introduces aspect of Mythology, has game play elements that require critical thinking, adaptive managment, exploration, and multitasking, to name a few.

On the opposite end of the spectrum would be Shadow of the colosuss, a game that is simple and straight forward in it's objective, yet complex and winding in both it's actual game play and narritive.

Many games that exsist today are complex, engaging works that require a multitude of skills and learning, and require a amazing amount of mental adaptation on the part of the player. Sure, one could argue that halo is a pretty straight forward game of futurstic cops and robbers, and that might be true. But halo is one game, albeit a very big one, out of thousands!

Larouche and the Brainwashed fools who follow them are nothing more then ignorant, self serving facisits in my view, who seek to have the world follow there orders, when America was a country created on the IDEA of freedom.

That they understand so little of the medium they attack, much like one Mr. Jack Thompson, is clear proof of why we are the ones winning in courts, and they are the ones laughed out of council meetings.

Twin-Skies

10-15-2007, 08:03 AM

In fact... they did. When they started to talk about "new violence" in 2000, they blasted "Nintendo games" and Pokémon as well as "martial arts mythology" and "samurai mythology".

Edit : Go read there, (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/ctte_lar_mem.html) for instance (emphasis by me) :

It's not the only quote about "martial arts", but it's the most relevant.

Just read LaRouche's segment.

What LaRouche dosn't seem to realize is that ironically, martial arts masters tend to to be far more accepting and tolerant of other beliefs (in their case, other martial arts schools) than some of the so-called political/religious leaders we've got today.

What "Samurai Warrior" mythos is he talking about? Bushido? The Hagakure? The Hagakure, is only one of several interpretations of the Bushido code - it was used extensively by Japan's military leaders during world war II as propaganda. They convinced their younger and more impressionable recruits that they were fighting a divine war. To a certain extent, yes, LaRouche is correct, although it's interesting to note that the PR pitch used by the said commanders seem to have strong parallels between LaRouche and (surprise, surprise) Al Qaeda. They just used different literary mediums

But here's my question: What about the generations of businessmen and martial artists that managed to outgrow the BS that was infused in the Hagakure during WWII, and reinterpreted it into something more constructive than propaganda? Don't they count as well? principles, much like the people that carry them, are bound to change over time.

And lastly, WTF does it have to do with D&D? He fails here, IMHO, for not referencing L5R.

Soldat_Louis

10-15-2007, 08:35 AM

And more importantly, WTF does it have to do with D&D? He fails here, IMHO, for not referencing L5R.

Oh, it's very simple : he was part of the people who claimed in the 80's that D&D was "satanic" and "mind-luring". See for instance this article from his former newspaper (http://www.skepticfiles.org/xhate/larouche.htm) The New Federalist:

(...)
In many schools around the country, teachers permit and in some cases encourage students to play the satanic fantasy game "Dungeons and Dragons." "D&D" involves real life action that has in more than one instance led a child to take his or her own life or to kill a friend.
(...)

And while the D&D moral panic stopped, he didn't. See, for example, this post-Littleton article (http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1999/lar_littleton_2627.html) by LaRouche himself :

I repeat: The proximate culpabilities lie with those military and related officials, and other so-called "experts," who not only devised "man-machine" recipes for increasing the kill-ratio by military recruits and police officers, but who spread "Nintendo games" of this type into such suggestible elements of the civilian population as the Internet "nerds."

Entertainments such as Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings, the infantile game of Dungeons and Dragons, or a cult-like fantasy-life modelled upon the Hollywood Star Wars series, are among the typical means by which such results are orchestrated, whether with such intended effects, or not. Therefore, I must emphasize, once more, that the problem is not limited to the instances in which such terrorist acts are wittingly orchestrated by puppet-masters. Spread the deadly intellectual virus, and the disease will do the rest.

Or this one (http://www.schillerinstitute.org/new_viol/children_watching.html) from his think tank:

(...)
10. Hasbro Interactive: Official U.S. distributor of Pokémon (abbreviation for “Pocket Monsters”), the killing game designed for toddlers beginning at 2 and 3 years old; Dungeons and Dragons, the medieval satanic and magic fantasy game; Risk II, a “ruthless quest for world domination". One of the Hasbro Board members is Paul Wolfowitz, the co-head of George W. Bush’s team of foreign policy advisors.
(...)

Or better, this one (http://american_almanac.tripod.com/video2.htm), from another LaRouchite journal:

The infamous Gary Gygax was a designer with the Avalon Hill company, before he set up his own firm, TSR, to make the satanic medieval role-playing game, ``Dungeons and Dragons.''
(...)
Sources close to Gygax told EIR that ``the government was suspicious of Avalon Hill--they saw them as knowing things they weren't supposed to know.'' Dott said, ``The FBI and the Secret Service have come around asking questions several times.''
(...)
In September 1999, Hasbro acquired TSR--the company which created ``Dungeons and Dragons''--further closing the game world's little satanic circle.

That's all I have for the moment.

American_System

10-15-2007, 10:20 AM

DarrelBT

10-15-2007, 10:48 AM

Why thank you.

And thank you for reminding us why we'll never actually ban you and why we will never join or listen to the Larouche cult ever.

You ARE an endless source of amusement.

Come back here in 10 years and see if you're still with the Larouche cult. That is, if you still have enough money to AFFORD an internet connection by then or if you're still alive and haven't committed suicide thanks to abandoning your friends and families and cutting off all ties from them.

nightwng2000

10-15-2007, 11:21 AM

Thank you for reminding me why I hate video games. This forum has been about as enjoyable as Toejam & Earl. I would rather play Burger Time until my fingers blister over.

And, as pointed out by numerous individuals, that IS your perogative. Not every game player likes EVERY genre. Not every movie watcher likes EVERY genre. Not every book reader likes EVERY genre. Not every person who follows sports likes EVERY sport (genre). And so on and so forth.

What the LaRouche cult and you have a problem with understanding is that just because you don't like something doesn't make it "bad". It just means it isn't to your liking. I realize that the LaRouche cult and its Youth Movement demand clone-like members, but that obviously takes away the individuality and independant thought of the members. Perhaps that's the reason LaRouche and you, AS, are afraid and incapable of coherent conversation and debate. Because the idea of Free thought and expression that the US and even the UK, among others, represent, is contrary to the dictatorship espoused by LaRouche.

I'd say that's pretty tell-tale as well. Luckily, there are plenty of potential LaRouche members who are seeing this and deciding that the LYM is a BAD idea for their lives. That's why I'm glad you aren't banned. You're the best source for teaching the True meaning of the LaRouche cult and it's members in this forum. Please, keep up the great work and I'll keep passing on your efforts to sabotage the LYM and LaRouche to the organization. I'm sure they'll be happy to know about your efforts.

I wonder just how much it's financially costing the LYM and LaRouche to have potential members turned away by one of their own members?

Hmmmmm....

10-15-2007, 11:34 AM

Demontestament

10-15-2007, 11:57 AM

Seriously what does he have against England? Correct me if I am wrong but aren't there nut jobs like LaRouche in London who are trying to get video games banned as well? People who think they turn kids into Psychopathic MI6 sleeper agents? Oh right I forgot the Queen rolled Hoard and LaRouche is a alliance man himself so he fears she will raid the LaRouche compound for the Epic Loot. :D. Oh and by the way System, the Queen has more class in her little finger than LaRouche, his wife, and all his youth attack zombies combine.

Jabrwock

10-15-2007, 12:20 PM

And stop kissing the ass of the British Empire!!! You never know what you might contract.Canadian Syndrome? :p
Oh yeah, about that ban....?If you want to be gone, there's a nice close button up in the corner of your window.

If you're TRYING to get banned, you'll have to try harder. We don't ban people just because they don't like video games. We'll question your sanity for coming here if you truly don't like them, but we won't ban you for it. We're not the thought police... -Jabr

Twin-Skies

10-15-2007, 12:36 PM

American_System...

Your taunts to get yourself banned so you can claim to be some sort of martyr for the LYM has stirred out attention. But quite frankly, we're not shaken.

That British enough for you?

(That...was the worst pun I've ever attempted...)

SlyFox

10-15-2007, 02:00 PM

Thank you for reminding me why I hate video games. This forum has been about as enjoyable as Toejam & Earl. I would rather play Burger Time until my fingers blister over.

And stop kissing the ass of the British Empire!!! You never know what you might contract.
http://weblogs.variety.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/08/_42895811_gallery_rooneyap416.jpg
Oh yeah, about that ban....?

You know, I think we still have yet to hear exactly what your cult... er "organisation" is about. So why don't you tell us exactly what your goals are in both the short and long terms? Tell us what LaRouche supposedly hopes to achieve (other than lining his own pockets with your money) in clear-cut terms. What is the overall goal that he is pushing for. Don't go on a long-winded rant about this or that; just give me a brief, simple answer.

Now guys and gals, I know that you're going to be tempted to say what WE all think their goals are, but let's let him tell us exactly what they are supposed to be.

I'm trying to be nice, System, and let you get it right out there in the open but please don't take advantage of it and go spouting something long and unnecessary (yes, you've done that) and please don't go posting irrelevant images (done that, too). I just bought a new box of soap today and I'm letting you borrow the box.

kurisu7885

10-15-2007, 02:55 PM

Thank you for reminding me why I hate video games. This forum has been about as enjoyable as Toejam & Earl. I would rather play Burger Time until my fingers blister over.

And stop kissing the ass of the British Empire!!! You never know what you might contract.

Oh yeah, about that ban....?

I don't care for empires. IT works for them, not for me.

And I think I see your full goal here now. You seem to be antagonizing us hoping you'll get banned ,that way,youcan march back to LaRouche, report, and then he can spout "The "debate" website of the Game"politics"forums will ban anyone who speaks in favor opposite of them" You could leave at any time but you won't without a ban.

By the way, I'm willing to bet you used to beat up gamers in high school, that is if you aren't still in high school.

And Burger Time was a pretty good game in my opinion. very challenging and strategic. And if you were speaking of the recent Xbox iteration of Toejam and Earl, none of us liked it either. The Genesis one, ok, the Xbox one, bleh.

Hannah

10-15-2007, 03:04 PM

Thank you for reminding me why I hate video games. This forum has been about as enjoyable as Toejam & Earl. I would rather play Burger Time until my fingers blister over.

And stop kissing the ass of the British Empire!!! You never know what you might contract.
http://weblogs.variety.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/05/08/_42895811_gallery_rooneyap416.jpg
Oh yeah, about that ban....?

As a proud British and Canadian citizen (dual citizenship, baby!), I have not one, but TWO excellent reasons to kiss my queen's ass ;)

And dude... you really should try playing at least one good game. We have given you plenty of suggestions, many of which can be acquired for free online. You might also want to consider trying Second Life (http://secondlife.com), though that game is definitely not for everyone. It is, however, a fun place to play with scripts and create basic 3D art in a public environment. I mostly play for the social aspect -- discussing politics with Europeans is far too much fun -- but I enjoy being able to create as well. Of course, if you choose to play, I can certainly show you the ropes :D

Tollwutig

10-15-2007, 04:39 PM

No, I agree, he was rather interesting. but how exactly does math improve the mind? I have been trying to figure this out my whole life.

I do believe this is probably one of the most profoundly ignorant statements I have ever read in my life. So ignorant that there is no possibly argument for it.

Thank you for reminding me why I hate video games. This forum has been about as enjoyable as Toejam & Earl. I would rather play Burger Time until my fingers blister over.

And stop kissing the ass of the British Empire!!! You never know what you might contract.
Oh yeah, about that ban....?

This I must address as a mod so *cough cough*We here at Gamepolitics do not ban individuals for their opinions, no matter how hard they try to get themselves banned. Now that you've shown you're just trying to get banned the Mods probably won't ban you in either case. GamePolitics himself may decide to ban you if you step over certain lines, the Mods will certainly keep him informed, but the Mods will keep you around and just keep your posts on the right side of civility.

Twin-Skies

10-15-2007, 05:17 PM

You know, most people I know would do everything in their power to avoid getting banned/fired/axed/booted out. American_System's case is a first.

The man's special...

kurisu7885

10-15-2007, 05:28 PM

You know, most people I know would do everything in their power to avoid getting banned/fired/axed/booted out. American_System's case is a first.

The man's special...

I think he's doing is just so he can go back and be like "I was just speaking my mind and they banned me for disagreeing them them." He could leave at any time but won't and I personally think this is why.

nightwng2000

10-15-2007, 07:31 PM

I think he's doing is just so he can go back and be like "I was just speaking my mind and they banned me for disagreeing them them." He could leave at any time but won't and I personally think this is why.

It's the verbal (written) version of what DemonTestament went through.

Antagonize into a confrontation, then, if he gets what hes sets out to do, claims innocence.

It's clearly a tactic programmed by the cult. Rather than act rational and have to actually answer questions or counter arguments, he just sets up a situation where he CAN'T respond, and claim that he tried to but was banned by the evil oppression at GP.

But, as with the situation with the LYM and DemonTestament, he's not getting what he wants.

Demontestament

10-15-2007, 07:53 PM

It's the verbal (written) version of what DemonTestament went through.

Antagonize into a confrontation, then, if he gets what hes sets out to do, claims innocence.

It's clearly a tactic programmed by the cult. Rather than act rational and have to actually answer questions or counter arguments, he just sets up a situation where he CAN'T respond, and claim that he tried to but was banned by the evil oppression at GP.

But, as with the situation with the LYM and DemonTestament, he's not getting what he wants.

Sadly we can't see how he hits when he gets fed up for us not giving into his taunts.

nightwng2000

10-15-2007, 09:08 PM

Sadly we can't see how he hits when he gets fed up for us not giving into his taunts.

Actually, we can see how he "hits". The equivilant is the begging to be banned. He's failed every other way (short of actually breaking the rules (he's only tried to encourage some to request he be banned, not really broken a rule)). So, now he resorts to the "ban me" or "hit me, c'mon, I dare ya, hit me!".

And quite frankly, I could easily speculate it's about as effective as the physical "assault" was on you.

The big problem with his strategy here is that it really can't escalate. I mean, what's the worst that can happen? He truly breaks a rule and gets banned. Despite what did happen to you, it could, COULD, have been worse. So AS's (Uh, heh! I SWEAR that wasn't planned!) strategy falls flat.

kurisu7885

10-15-2007, 09:13 PM

Hmm, reading that, I am also being lead to believe that he is also trying to antagonize others into rule breaking, thus, that person may get banned, thusly, another voice is silenced.

nightwng2000

10-15-2007, 09:19 PM

:: ROFLMAO! ::

F*** the robots! (Sit down, KN, I wasn't being literal. :) )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21309380/

After months of frustration, a mother of a soldier in Iraq has found someone to ship about 80,000 cans of Silly String to the troops, who use the foamy substance to detect trip wires on bombs.

Soldiers can shoot the substance, which travels about 10 feet, across a room before entering. If it hangs in the air, that indicates a possible trip wire.

Now you don't need to risk Johnny Five's baby!

Pelor

10-16-2007, 12:29 AM

This is a really long thread. I could look to see if this has already been posted, but that would take too much time:

A list of Larouche's predictions concerning WWIII (http://laroucheplanet.info/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Cult.Ww3)

kurisu7885

10-16-2007, 12:48 AM

Soo, he's basically the same as those hobos with the cardboard panels screaming the world is ending in seven days, and liek them he's always been and always will be wrong.

Brokenscope

10-16-2007, 01:07 AM

Is there a list of colleges with a LPac or LYM presence anywhere? Cause I really can't find it.

beemoh

10-16-2007, 05:52 AM

And I think I see your full goal here now. You seem to be antagonizing us hoping you'll get banned ,that way,youcan march back to LaRouche, report, and then he can spout "The "debate" website of the Game"politics"forums will ban anyone who speaks in favor opposite of them" You could leave at any time but you won't without a ban.

Sounds like free publicity to me...

Twin-Skies

10-16-2007, 06:04 AM

:: ROFLMAO! ::

F*** the robots! (Sit down, KN, I wasn't being literal. :) )

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21309380/

Now you don't need to risk Johnny Five's baby!

Sorry, no dice.

I don't think that'll work for IEDs that use other means aside from tripwire to detonate:
1. pressure plates
2. magnetic
3. radio-controlled (by observation)
4. infra-red beams
5. time-delayed

Soldat_Louis

10-16-2007, 06:21 AM

Last news from "LaRouche vs. video games" : a "pedagogical" article (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/15/pedagogical-how-reanimate-our-economy-why-video-games-can-t-.html) that is finally not about games, except two off-topic references (emphasis by me) :

PEDAGOGICAL: How to Reanimate our Economy; Why Video Games Can’t Do It
(...)
Since the Universe is so gigantic, this could never be restricted to just a single strata of people, therefore, if you, Congressman or Congresswoman, are not engaged in any immoral or senseless leisurely acts, feel free to join your constituents in this fun pedagogical experiment.
(...)
This is the famous lunge that Johannes Kepler utters in the opening paragraphs of his ground breaking anti-Aristotlean anti-empiricist work— The New Astronomy. This intentional concept, which is very much elaborated through his major works, has easily refuted the absurd notions of radical positivist “gamers” such as Bertrand Russell, Norbert Weiner, John von Neumann and their nut-job followers at M.I.T.'s Media Lab. [2]

The kind of scientific method developed by our friend, Johannes Kepler, is a true example of a sane mind that would never have tolerated the forty year disastrous economic policy imposed upon the United States, nor would he agree with the cultural degradation of perverse ideas that created such a dehumanizing process of video game fanaticism, such as “information theory.” He would have intervened in much the same way, the LYM attempts today.
(...)

That's right : two mentions of "video games", unjustified and off-topic (and maybe a "hidden" third one).

Demontestament

10-16-2007, 11:31 AM

Soo, he's basically the same as those hobos with the cardboard panels screaming the world is ending in seven days, and liek them he's always been and always will be wrong.

Yeah but you see the hobos are interesting to talk to. Well the ones over by my old college were, a lot of them I talked to were just doing it because they were bored and were passing time. Hell 3 of them had a bet going to see who could get the best reaction out of people with their signs.

Twin-Skies

10-16-2007, 11:47 AM

I wonder if Johannes Kepler would have ever lived it down had he realized that LaRouche was bastardizing his name the way he is now?

Much like the same way that Jesus probably would never have condoned the violence his more radical "believers" enforce today, I doubt Kepler would have ever endorsed this level of crazy.

American_System

10-17-2007, 12:46 AM

(sorry for re-editing, Brokenscope, but this is what I meant to say)

Is your in-game accuracy REALLY as bad as it continues to be on this forum??? I doubt it. Thus, I am led to interpret any Duck-Hunt posts as genuinely insincere.

Not even an Intellivision cartridge could continue to take this thread seriously.

I suspect some among us here sought to falsify actually original thoughts, in order to keep up a sort of clown-show, so they could weave in bizarre anti-larouche propaganda (talk about conspiracy theories). This way, serious discussions never arose (I would have loved to see what your thoughts on Vannevar Bush's differential analyzer were...:( ) There were others among you that I think went along with this clown-show, more or less, including myself at times.

Otherwise, I would hate to continue participating on such hostile terms. I make no apologies for my hostility toward the British Empire, but I will not likewise look upon its victims with scorn.

You all should really check out this next Mars retrograde...I think you will enjoy it.:)

Thefremen

10-17-2007, 12:48 AM

Is your in-game accuracy REALLY as bad as it continues to be on this forum??? I doubt it. Thus, I am led, by you, to interpret your Duck-Hunt posts as genuinely insincere.

Not even an Intellivision cartridge would take you seriously. You probably cheated on PowerPad.

Before I leave, I want to drop one more reference for you (on you), as a token of my sincerity...
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy/images/thumb/a/af/FatChocobo.jpg/120px-FatChocobo.jpg

You all should really check out this next Mars retrograde...I think you will enjoy it.

http://www.emunova.net/img/dossiers/zelda/zelda2/gannon.gif

Wow. Is this guy from a different planet or something? Just don't drink the kool-aide bro.

Brokenscope

10-17-2007, 12:50 AM

Do you have a point? Or are you just trying to give us a wordy parting shot?

Second question, why the **** do we care if mars is going through its retrograde period?

Edit:

Third Question, why should I have a strong opinion on a mechanical/analog computer built in the late twenties?I'm quite glad it was useful for the people who access to it, though I'm pretty sure the TI-83 I have sitting next to me can do anything it can do and more.

Once again, you bring random bull**** that has no bearing on the discussion into the thread if only for the purpose of hiding the fact that you have nothing intelligent to say. You will not, and most likely cannot, answer any of the question put before you. Quite simply you would make a fine political puppet for whoever put you into office.

The fact of the matter this thread is not about differential analyzers, it is about the political group you pledge yourself too and their stance towards videogames and interactive electronic media in general.

If you wish to muddy the waters with off-topic posts, then there is no point in visiting this thread. I mean ****, have you ever actually provided a reason as to why games are damaging besides Microsoft is programming us with counterstrike?

Also your application of videogame references in your posts are rather pathetic.

Last question, did your lord and master approve your face book presence?

Aw screw it one more, when was the last time someone rebuilt the websites for the youth movement and the "animating creativity" sites?

Pelor

10-17-2007, 04:31 AM

American system
I don't believe that you're not a cult follower. So, tell me three big things that Lyndon Larouche is completely wrong about.

Demontestament

10-17-2007, 11:52 AM

I suspect some among us here sought to falsify actually original thoughts, in order to keep up a sort of clown-show, so they could weave in bizarre anti-larouche propaganda (talk about conspiracy theories).

Well if anyone knows anything about anti-<Insert LaRouche Hatred/Enemy> Propaganda it would be someone who follows LaRouche's every word like a little lap dog. What exactly do you mean those who falsify actual original thoughts?

This way, serious discussions never arose.

You mean serious discussions like this?

Checkmate Assholes

Jabrwock

10-17-2007, 12:08 PM

nightwng2000

10-17-2007, 12:41 PM

Ok, if this continues to be OT, I'll just close this thread for a while. If you can't discuss the issue like adults, there's a CHAT thread for you.

This thread is for the discussion of Lyndon LaRouche Jr. and his policies. Not a sniping fest of who's misquoting who. If you have a point, state it. -Jabr

I seem to recall that even YOU had some questions/counter arguments which were never addressed quite awhile back. Quite a few folks have directly addressed articles posted and have tried to discuss LaRouche issues, but individuals from the LaRouche side have avoided, even ignored those questions, comments, and counter arguments.

Really, the majority of regular GP posters have stayed on track. Not that my vote really counts. :)

MaskedPixelante

10-17-2007, 06:59 PM

Closing this topic sounds like a good idea, it feels like it's getting to the point that we can't go 5 minutes without getting off topic whenever American_System comes in and posts his insults (using the term insults here VERY loosely).

I have considered going through and cleaning it up, but it would mean 60 pages worth of work.-Toll

kurisu7885

10-17-2007, 07:23 PM

I'd be inclined to agree if I wasn't sure this is was System wants.

10-17-2007, 08:12 PM

This thread is too much win to die.

Soldat_Louis

10-19-2007, 05:47 AM

Well, so let's go back to the REAL subject of this thread and why I created it : keep you informed on latest LaRouche's and LaRouchites' views on video games and the like.

Indeed, here are the LaRouchites' views on Second Life and "virtual worlds" (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/18/british-empire-s-sex-toys-secondlife-and-virtual-worlds-anot.html). Written by LaRouche Youth Movement member Delante Bess, this article considers them as "British Empire's sex toys" (emphasis from the original article) :

British Empire’s Sex Toys: SecondLife and Virtual Worlds, Another Comfortable Prison of Insanity
by Delante Bess

If math nerds go to Math Camp, and overweight kids get sent to Fat Camp, doesn’t that mean that millions of MySpace addicts with their millisecond attention spans are in a Concentration Camp? --Bill Ferguson

2nd Life of Thermodynamics

Along with the other social controlling cultural cesspools, such as MySpace and Facebook, you have an even more dehumanizing virtual fantasy, such as Second Life.

Amongst the many different “virtual fantasy worlds” that exist, there are two underlying fallacies, governing them all. The first, all who are a part of this Orwellian world, have no true sense of human creativity. The second fallacy, rests on the first assumption, that since real creativity can not exist or be fostered, the mere arrogance that this entropic system will continue without the intervention by the real physical world, makes one have to laugh and ask, “Do you think your computer lives outside the universe?”

Although, SecondLife’s (SL) founder Philip Rosedale quotes the freakish Neal Stephenson’s sci-fiction novel Snowcrash, as inspiring the “collaborative creativity” vision expressed in Second Life, any sane mind finds themselves removed further away from being creative at all. This Big Brother operated virtual world has imprisoned the minds of millions of registered users, 20 hours per week spent, while millions of “real” dollars transacting within a floating exchange rate currency swap between fake money, the “Linden Dollar,” and “real money,” occurs everyday.

Since, this new famed globalized techno-libertarian environment is so-“free,” you can make anything you want, including, soon enough, Nazi-like slave labor concentration camps. The escort- prostitution rings in SecondLife are just not enough! The secretive SL Homeland Security island has trouble monitoring that one. Everything from businesses, to universities, and cults hold meetings and classes within this “virtual world.” It has been described by Public Relations companies, as being more “lively, exciting, and human than real life.”

SecondLife launched by Philip Rosedale, while on the board of Accel Partners, which represents the worst of the financial networks within the U.S. and London IT sector, helped create the Silicon Valley base company called Linden Lab. The former VP and CTO of RealNetworks, received large sums of start-up cash from various “vulture capitalist,” such as Mitch Kapor, Catamount Ventures, Benchmark Capital, Ray Ozzie, Omidyar Network, Globespan Capital Partners, and Bezos Expeditions. Some of which are either interlocked or owned by traitorous British Cayman Island financial hedgefunds.

http://www.larouchepac.com/files/pictures/f747b849cdf2821bff8a5e7f4d6ce919/article.jpg

Murdoch’s Sexual Fantasy

"Hey! Did you hear? The hotel rooms on MySpace are really wonderful...everything is automatic! In fact, every time Felix Rohatyn walks into a room, the toilet flushes." --Lyndon LaRouche

Rupert Murdoch, the 76 year old British Lickspittle, owns the right-wing FOX News, FOX T.V., FX, Wall Street Journal, Dow Jones, British Sky Broadcasting, et al., and has tossed out a mere $580 million for the social controlling prison—MySpace. Not surprisingly, he has laid down another $30 million for Metaverse Media, a media company based in the virtual fantasy world of Second Life. Now, what would such an illustrious man want with a low class media outlet? Is not the oligarchy supposed to have class, or set higher standards? Is his viagra not enough to satisfy his young concubine? Only the diluted mind would fall for such shallow arguments as, “Oh he is a great business man, this will sky rocket his multi-billion dollar fortune!”

What the Ministry of Truth, Wikipedia, will never tell you, is that Sir Rupert Murdoch is a second-generation protégé of the British oligarchy's 20th-Century propaganda baron, Lord Beaverbrook, whose efforts have always been to make major moves to corner the present and future news-manufacturing institutions of America, and turn them into, what now can be described as a Brave New Cyber-World of data mining, psychological profiling, and subliminal marketing.

As a British imperialist and a prestigious Oxford scholar, Sir Rupert must know the state of the global financial and monetary economic collapse, by now. The collapse is irrefutable, at this point. There is no doubt the desperation by second generation British imperialist, such as George Shultz, Felix Rohatyn, John Train, Rupert Murdoch, and Mellon Scaife, are “crapping” bricks right now. [1] The panic over the inevitable rotting collapse of this Anglo-Dutch system is no longer a thing that can be put off to the side. They, as their successors knew, with this kind of crisis, that the impulse for a Franklin Roosevelt style recovery is a real possibility.

The British will Spank Their Lackeys

These second-generation lackeys are at least clever enough to know that the Democratic land slide victory of the last-mid term election, was defined by the youth generation, of the 18-35 age bracket. Both the Democratic victors and their adversaries are still wondering how a small elite force of young people created such a “mass effect”. The principle of the matter was taken as a subject by Lyndon LaRouche in relevant places. [2] However, to get, minimally, a broad sense of what created the cause of that mass effect principle, work through the LYM educational curriculum. [3]

Now, since there is a masturbatory discussion of creating “Universal Avatars” for future 3-D browsers. (Perhaps such fools will attempt to mesh Second Life and Google Earth together!) As said above, the purpose for any of these “virtual sexual fantasy worlds,” is to leave no room for real creativity to foster. In fact, stifle the mental creative process. Now, put down the mouse for a moment, and take on a real cognitive challenge, of mapping out the retrograde motion of Mars. [4]

Meanwhile, ask yourself: How long will Rupert Murdoch’s virtual insanity go on? With the economic collapse accelerating, their will be no virtual God that will save him.

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[1] See: Jeff Steinberg's Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy At It Again, With a New Twist (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/08/12/vast-right-wing-conspiracy-it-again-new-twist.html)
[2] See: Lyndon LaRouche's Johannes Kepler & the Democratic Challenge: The New Politics (http://larouchepub.com/lar/2006/3349new_politics.html)
[3] Go to: www.wlym.com/~animations (http://wlym.com/~animations)
[4] Have fun with the PEDAGOGICAL: How to Reanimate our Economy; Why Video Games Can’t Do It (http://www.larouchepac.com/news/2007/10/15/pedagogical-how-reanimate-our-economy-why-video-games-can-t-.html)

Note how much the LaRouchites love to use sexual and/or toilet metaphors... I think it says it all.

Twin-Skies

10-19-2007, 07:17 AM

Demontestament

10-19-2007, 11:17 AM

Brokenscope

10-19-2007, 02:26 PM

..Why once again, do I care to waste my time mapping the retrograde period of mars? Anyone? Why should I care to do something like that when I can be doing other things that are more productive.

kurisu7885

10-19-2007, 02:42 PM

Lyndon LaRouche - political activist, conspiracy theorist, very(very, very, very) dirty old man...

Seriously:

"Amongst the many different “virtual fantasy worlds” that exist, there are two underlying fallacies, governing them all. The first, all who are a part of this Orwellian world, have no true sense of human creativity. The second fallacy, rests on the first assumption, that since real creativity can not exist or be fostered, the mere arrogance that this entropic system will continue without the intervention by the real physical world, makes one have to laugh and ask, “Do you think your computer lives outside the universe?”

Where does LaRouche get off saying that Second Life's residents have no real sense of creativity?

I don't play the game, but I've heard enough to know that it's resident to a lot particularly interesting activities - those wierd-ass protests and political party HQs are just among those I remember off-hand.

Two I can remember encountering firsthand are a pretty accurate remake of Twilight town from Kingdom Hearts 2 and a somewhat accurate remake of Midgar from FinalFantasy7, as well as plenty of original content, like this giant building I once found which had all these cartoony angles and was even cell shaded.

Twin-Skies

10-19-2007, 06:46 PM

It makes me wonder...why hasn't the LaRouche group moved into Second Life? They used to diss the internet before setting up their sites, so why not do the same for this MMORPG.

kurisu7885

10-19-2007, 08:14 PM

It makes me wonder...why hasn't the LaRouche group moved into Second Life? They used to diss the internet before setting up their sites, so why not do the same for this MMORPG.

Most of them would likely die from the shock of what they find, since they actively look for offensive things.

MaskedPixelante

10-20-2007, 10:20 AM

I'll be there to greet them, my characted is LOADED with offensive things.

American_System

10-23-2007, 11:47 PM

I'll be there to greet them, my characted is LOADED with offensive things.

BWAHAHAHA!!! You're not a Furry, are you??!
(Leave it to the British Empire to digitalize bestiality)

Hannah

10-23-2007, 11:59 PM

BWAHAHAHA!!! You're not a Furry, are you??!
(Leave it to the British Empire to digitalize bestiality)

I'm pretty sure furries are more of an American phenomenon... most of my European friends certainly seem to view them as such.

American_System

10-24-2007, 12:01 AM

I'm pretty sure furries are more of an American phenomenon... most of my European friends certainly seem to view them as such.

No Hannah, I'm pretty sure on this one...that it was first started by the horse and its Royal Majesty, the Queen.

Hannah

10-24-2007, 12:04 AM

No Hannah, I'm pretty sure on this one...that it was first started by the horse and its Royal Majesty, the Queen.

I'm pretty sure those rumours surrounded a Russian empress (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_myths_related_to_Catherine_II_of_Russia), not one of the British royals ;)

bayushisan

10-24-2007, 01:54 AM

Ah. American System. Nice to see you posting again.
I'm curious to know why it is you seem to think that there's some connection between our humble site and the British Empire. (By the by didn't that fall to pieces, like, a LONG time ago. I believe the only terriory that the Brits still hold is Northern Ireland.

Anyway, being that I'm a Christian myself and I understand that any attempt to censor speach could backlash onto my faith; why is it that you seem to favor giving the government the authority to censor what you can purchase media wise? Is that you think that they won't turn around and use that power against you and yours? If so I believe that you may be sorely misguided.

Why not teach parents what the ratings and content descriptors mean? it seems to me that if more parents were in the know then there'd be at least a few less problems.

Its also important to understand that I turned 34 this past October 17th. I've played videogames since the days of the Atari 2600 and Dungeons and Dragons since the mid 90's. I play MMOs, and a variety of other game types. I read manga, fantasy and science fiction novels (Dune is one of my favorites). I watch anime, the food network and a variety of other programing, including the Trinity network. It might surprise you to know that I'm suprisingly well adjusted considering the emotinal abuse of my past. Games, music and books were my escape from the hard times in life. The lessons I learned over the years from those things taught me perseverance and my faith is what gave me the endurance to see it through.

I'm curious to hear your response to this.

kurisu7885

10-24-2007, 02:15 AM

BWAHAHAHA!!! You're not a Furry, are you??!
(Leave it to the British Empire to digitalize bestiality)

She isn't, but I am :D

In fact, let me change and update my avatar, I'm sure you'll LOVE it.

nightwng2000

10-24-2007, 06:33 AM

I'm pretty sure furries are more of an American phenomenon... most of my European friends certainly seem to view them as such.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom#History_and_inspiration

DarrelBT

10-24-2007, 07:27 AM

Remember people, there's a reason why he brings the British into this.

Larouche's first wife left him for a British man. That's it. That's all it really is about.

In his mind, he tied his first wife leaving him to a British Conspiracy in his anger and hatred. Ramblings of a madman, if you will

Once you have that, plus his cronies re-writing it to make it seem more legitimate for his Larouche Youth Movement to digest, you've got "THE BRITISH ARE OUT TO GET US!!!!11!1"

kurisu7885

10-24-2007, 07:42 AM

Avatar edited. It needed an update anyway.

In any case, as to the link Nightwing posted, I don't see where it stated it all started, it looks like it's more of a general interest deal.

SlyFox

10-24-2007, 08:07 AM

BWAHAHAHA!!! You're not a Furry, are you??!
(Leave it to the British Empire to digitalize bestiality)

I am, too. And on the behalf of myself and the rest of the hundreds of thousands of us (and everyone else who you have ridiculed without reason) I advise that you hold you tongue regarding things that you have not personally researched, explored, or taken the tim time to examine as well as things that you are generally clueless about. Come to think of it, I seriously doubt that you can boast those numbers regarding your own membership, especially when considering that it's more of a worldwide thing now ^_^

Now, I'm still wondering when System will get around to addressing my previously posted (weeks ago) questions of what exactly LaRouche's actual goals are or what he claims they are. System, you come in here spouting your propaganda and insults (as entertaining as it may be) and try to tell us why we are so wrong and whatnot. But when we actually ask you to tell us exactly what your movement is about and what its goals are, you dodge the questions. Currently, Soldat has provided us with more information than you have. Thank you, Soldat ^_^