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Demontestament
04-05-2007, 02:01 PM
MORTON, Illinois (CNN) -- At 8 o'clock on a recent Saturday morning, more than 250 men gathered at New Life Christian Church in Morton, Illinois, for a breakfast of porn and pancakes.

The event, not as titillating as it sounds, is the brainchild of Craig Gross, founder of the online Christian ministry, XXXChurch.com. Gross concocted the idea of "Porn & Pancakes" as a way to get Christians and church officials to talk about pornography addiction.

It's a problem, he said, that is growing, among Christian communities.

Over the smell of maple syrup and sausage, Gross and other guest speakers -- including a former producer of pornography -- talk to the men about how pornography negatively affects their lives, including relationships with their families and with God. The men who come to hear them speak want to make sure they don't develop a problem themselves.

"A lot of people think Christians sure don't struggle with this," Gross said. "The stats don't lie: Christians are consuming pornography. And to me, it's not a surprise."

A nonscientific poll on XXXChurch.com found that 70 percent of Christians admitted to struggling with porn in their daily lives. Church officials are not immune either. According to Gross, some 76 percent of pastors he surveyed said they, too, have a problem. Gross says he's not surprised so many Christians find themselves struggling with addictions to pornography, considering just how mainstream and easily accessible it has become.


Adult entertainment is an enormous business in the United States, taking in an estimated $12 billion annually. Every second, approximately 28,258 Internet users are viewing pornography, according to the Internet Filter Review. With some 4.2 million pornographic Web sites to explore, many Christians find themselves unable to turn away.

'Jesus Loves Porn Stars'
Gross started his ministry to spark discussion on a topic he found to be largely ignored within religious circles. The breakfast meetings are just part of that ministry.

His organization attends adult industry conventions, handing out bibles to pornography fans and workers that read "Jesus Loves Porn Stars." Gross travels the country having friendly debates on college campuses with iconic porn star Ron Jeremy on the effects of pornography. And XXXChurch.com also offers free accountability software, which Gross says has been downloaded by 300,000 people. It works by sending reports to a couple of trusted persons -- a friend, a wife, a pastor -- about which Web sites have been visited.

While Gross' ministry tries to prevent Christians from developing a problem, other organizations cater to those who say they have nowhere else to turn.

Jerry -- who asked that his last name not be used -- said he began looking at pornography at a young age and has, by his account, spent thousands of hours surfing the web, looking at adult magazines and utilizing chat rooms.

"I was in it, as much as possible," he said. "Just like an alcoholic or someone who has an addiction to drugs."

Jerry is one of the 55 men living at Pure Life Christian Ministries in rural Williamstown, Kentucky, who have come here to as a last resort to reclaim their lives and their Christian values.

The ministries offer a six month, live-in treatment program for men with sexual addictions. At the facility, which claims to be the only one of its kind in the country, counselors take a biblical approach to healing instead of a psychological one.

The live-in program demands intense Bible study and discipline from the residents. Each day is structured for work, prayer, and one-on-one biblical counseling, where the men study scriptural lessons on guilt, anger, depression and selfishness. The men are cut off from the outside world and any outside stimulation. There is no television, Internet or cell phones. Mail is even screened for clothing catalogues with what could be considered inappropriate images.

Over the past 15 years, more than 600 men have come here to detox from their porn addictions.

'Their soul's in danger'
"We actually understand their soul's in danger," said Jeff Colón, the head counselor here who went through the program 13 years ago to save himself from his own pornography and sexual addictions. "When the men come to us, they've gotten to the end of their rope."

"Jerry" said his compulsions were robbing his young son and wife from a normal family life.

"It was killing me, from the inside. I was riddled with guilt," he said. "And by the grace of God, he pulled me out of that pit, and brought me here, before it got to a point to where ... who knows? I mean I could have ended up anywhere."

While Jerry and other program residents are working hard to leave their addictions behind, the true test of their willpower and faith will come after they return to the real world, where Colón said they'll be bombarded with sexual images on television, in advertising and on the computer.

"We do live in a sexualized culture, and it is difficult for these men when they leave here," he said. "It doesn't help."


You....Have to be kidding me. Man I hate people like this, porn isn't the problem pal you are. If you are too weak to figure out when enough is enough and lack self control you are a waste of space. No amount of pancakes and prayer will destory your sexual urges, sooner or later you will crack and go back too looking at people having sex on the net, you may claim you are cured but nobody is ever fully cured from anything.

But what I want to know is what is classified as an addiction to them? I mean if they go to work and do all their normal **** before coming home and looking at porn then I don't see an addiction. And if they are married I need the **** kicked out of them, they have someone they can go and have real sex with instead of watching a bunch of silicon filled actors **** on camera.

I do applaud the guy who is trying to help these guys though. But not much will come from it, people say they are cured from sex addiction but those people are usually lieing because you cannot cure your human nature for sexual gratification....well maybe castration but that is just plain mean for a case like this.

Theory?
04-05-2007, 02:14 PM
Porn isn't a problem though. There's nothing wrong with watching people have sex. Frankly, if God wants you to only have sex for the sake of procreation, then I would say porn and subsequently masturbation is very much so something the bible should ENCOURAGE.

Demontestament
04-05-2007, 02:29 PM
Porn isn't a problem though. There's nothing wrong with watching people have sex. Frankly, if God wants you to only have sex for the sake of procreation, then I would say porn and subsequently masturbation is very much so something the bible should ENCOURAGE.

Not to mention every time you have sex, God is watching porn.

Pelor
04-05-2007, 03:18 PM
Did you know that if you do a Google search for "pornography," not a single return will have actual pornography in it.

Yeah, I got something to add to this thread:
I do applaud the guy who is trying to help these guys though. But not much will come from it, people say they are cured from sex addiction but those people are usually lieing because you cannot cure your human nature for sexual gratification....well maybe castration but that is just plain mean for a case like this.
They're not trying to wipe out the urge for sexual gratification. They're trying to wipe out the addiction to sexual gratification.

It's human nature to be drawn toward any kind of gratification (sexual or otherwise), but that isn't a reason to say that you can't be cured from an addiction to crack cocain.

And for the record, an addiction becomes a problem when it interfers with a person's ability to function in society. If a person wants to give up an activity (like porn), but doesn't have the will power to do so, then there's a problem.

Yes, a person like this might be weak, but what do you expect them to do about it? Cry in the corner like an emo kid, or go find someone who can help them with it?

KN
04-05-2007, 03:20 PM
FIRST STONE HAS BEEN THROWN. THREAD DETONATION IN THREE MINUTES.

You beat me to it :@

Stone was a dud continue thread minus flames -Toll

Grahamr
04-05-2007, 04:15 PM
Jesus is watching you mastrabate!!:mad:
Heh??? Jesus faps all the time.:confused:

Hannah
04-05-2007, 04:31 PM
And if they are married I need the **** kicked out of them, they have someone they can go and have real sex with instead of watching a bunch of silicon filled actors **** on camera.

The thing is, in a healthy relationship, ideally the people involved should be able to satisfy each other 100% of the time, but that isn't always possible. If I'm too tired one night or don't feel like coming over at all, I don't expect my boyfriend to just sit and suffer when he's got an internet full of porn right next to him. If he wants to watch porn, that's his business, and if he doesn't want to, that's his business too.

Similarly, if I was horny and my boyfriend wasn't up to it (not likely, but possible), or if I had voyeuristic fantasies (I don't, but again, this is hypothetical) or was into something else that my boyfriend couldn't/wouldn't participate in, porn would be a perfectly healthy outlet. It would only be a problem if I decided to forsake my boyfriend entirely in favour of... I dunno... weird furry porn or something, but you could say the same of any addiction.

seductivpancakes
04-05-2007, 04:50 PM
The pancakes is too good what can I say. Pancakes makes the world much more sane.

steelcobra
04-05-2007, 06:02 PM
I have 11GB of videos on my D: drive...and only watch them when I'm with Rosy Palms and her five sisters. Mostly the size of the folder is for variety and mood.

But if the first thing you do when going online is hunt for porn, something's wrong. A friend's dad spends every minute online DL'ing ass porn. Then blames him when viral crashes happen for installing stuff like AIM or Diablo 2.

nightwng2000
04-05-2007, 09:01 PM
I have 11GB of videos on my D: drive...and only watch them when I'm with Rosy Palms and her five sisters. Mostly the size of the folder is for variety and mood.

But if the first thing you do when going online is hunt for porn, something's wrong. A friend's dad spends every minute online DL'ing ass porn. Then blames him when viral crashes happen for installing stuff like AIM or Diablo 2.

You don't have much. I've got about 20 DVDs worth of "computer videos" (.mpgs, .avis, etc), about 7 DVDs worth of graphics (.jpgs, .gifs, etc), and about 50 DVD movies. Of course, understand that this has been saved up stuff over the last 20 years and much of it hasn't been looked at for over 5 years. I just save it in case I ever want to look at it later.

Of course, I also still have a great many old VHS video tapes, but no tape player to play them on any more.

Tollwutig
04-05-2007, 10:15 PM
I have 11GB of videos on my D: drive...and only watch them when I'm with Rosy Palms and her five sisters. Mostly the size of the folder is for variety and mood.


You know secksmuffin's don't have to resort to Rosy and her friends.... joking.:D

ZippyDSMlee
04-05-2007, 10:18 PM
I hunt porn now and then but meh I have depressive issues over it half the time >>
I sux...or is it blow...I dunno anymore ><

LOL

nightwng2000
04-05-2007, 10:25 PM
I hunt porn now and then but meh I have depressive issues over it half the time >>
I sux...or is it blow...I dunno anymore ><

LOL

Hey, Robo Maid from SpaceBalls can do both. All ya need is a switch and the Schwartz. :)

ZippyDSMlee
04-05-2007, 10:35 PM
Hey, Robo Maid from SpaceBalls can do both. All ya need is a switch and the Schwartz. :)

and it can be yours for 99.99!
0-o
LOL

Garbage Pail Kid
04-06-2007, 01:59 AM
Over the smell of maple syrup and sausage, Gross and other guest speakers...

Oh yeah, like that isn't symbolism at its best.

Before I go any further, let me explain something: I'm currently on April break, which means I'm no longer using the school's internet connection, so I have access to large quantities of erotic entertainment other than the stuff saved on my computer. Long story short, my mind will be in the gutter for the next 4 to 5 days.

nightwng2000
04-06-2007, 06:56 AM
Oh yeah, like that isn't symbolism at its best.

Before I go any further, let me explain something: I'm currently on April break, which means I'm no longer using the school's internet connection, so I have access to large quantities of erotic entertainment other than the stuff saved on my computer. Long story short, my mind will be in the gutter for the next 4 to 5 days.

There's always room for more here in the gutter. :)

KN
04-06-2007, 08:07 AM
There's always room for more here in the gutter. :)

No, there isn't. I just bought the legal rights to the entire gutter. I charge for entry now.

nightwng2000
04-06-2007, 01:02 PM
No, there isn't. I just bought the legal rights to the entire gutter. I charge for entry now.

What???
You mean Paramount actually SOLD the rights to something?
And here I thought they were trying to copyright everything for their OWN use.

Thefremen
04-07-2007, 01:00 AM
You....Have to be kidding me. Man I hate people like this, porn isn't the problem pal you are. If you are too weak to figure out when enough is enough and lack self control you are a waste of space. No amount of pancakes and prayer will destory your sexual urges, sooner or later you will crack and go back too looking at people having sex on the net, you may claim you are cured but nobody is ever fully cured from anything.

But what I want to know is what is classified as an addiction to them? I mean if they go to work and do all their normal **** before coming home and looking at porn then I don't see an addiction. And if they are married I need the **** kicked out of them, they have someone they can go and have real sex with instead of watching a bunch of silicon filled actors **** on camera.

I do applaud the guy who is trying to help these guys though. But not much will come from it, people say they are cured from sex addiction but those people are usually lieing because you cannot cure your human nature for sexual gratification....well maybe castration but that is just plain mean for a case like this.

Yeah but if your wife catches you having sex you'll get divorced so porn is better.