I don't want to pay alimony anymore, you're not the woman I married...

[nightwng2000]

...'cuz now you're a man.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17843205/

It's funny as hell, but it's also an interesting legal issue based on current law. There's only one other case like it so there isn't much legal precedence.

""It's illegal for a man to marry a man and it should likewise be illegal for a man to pay alimony to a man," said John McGuire, one of Roach's attorneys. "When she changed to man, I believe she terminated that alimony."

Silverwolf did not appear in court Tuesday and has declined to talk about the divorce. His lawyer, Gregory Nevins, said the language of the divorce decree is clear and firm — Roach agreed to pay alimony until his ex-wife dies or remarries.

"Those two things haven't happened," said Nevins, a senior staff attorney with the national gay rights group Lambda Legal.
Arnold found fault with several of Roach's legal arguments and noted that appeals courts have declined to legally recognize a sex change in Florida when it comes to marriage. The appellate court "is telling us you are what you are when you are born," Arnold said."

[bayushisan]

It will be interesting to see where this goes. Though I bet that there will be large numbers of people that are upset with the verdict no matter which way it goes.

[Jabrwock]

Good thing he didn't live in Canada, they would have shrugged and gone "your spouse is still your spouse no matter what sex they were/are, pay up"... ;)

appeals courts have declined to legally recognize a sex change in Florida when it comes to marriage

So technically, according to the state, she's still a she, legally anyway. I'm assuming it was ruled that way to prevent people from getting a legal declaration of a sex change, in order to skirt the same-sex marriage ban.

[Thefremen]

Alimony is a crock anyways.

[steelcobra]

My question is, if "he" could afford the operation and extensive treatments (which are elective), why does "he" need the extra $1250 a month?

And here's my little question:
If the woman makes more than the man, and he's forced to pay her, how is that right in any way, shape, or form?

[Jabrwock]

If the woman makes more than the man, and he's forced to pay her, how is that right in any way, shape, or form?You'd think that he'd use that as an argument as to why he shouldn't have to pay alimony... But the agreement is clear. He agreed only her death or re-marriage would alter the agreement.

This is why stuff like clauses are a good idea. Even if you don't expect your ex to ever make more than you, stipulate that such an occurance will lead to re-negotiation of the alimony... Because **** happens...

[Theory?]

My question is, if "he" could afford the operation and extensive treatments (which are elective), why does "he" need the extra $1250 a month?

Ex-wives are the pits, that's why.

Being the only child among parents who were divorced since I was two, I can tell you that alimony is simply a way for women to further piss on their ex-husbands.

Also, divorced women have NOTHING better to talk about than how much their ex-husbands are ruining their life...even if they aren't.

It goes back to the whole "evil was conceived on the X chromosome" thing.

[steelcobra]

This is why prenuptial agreements should be mandatory. There's always a chance of a marriage going bad, and neither side wants to be ****ed over if it does.

[Theory?]

This is why prenuptial agreements should be mandatory. There's always a chance of a marriage going bad, and neither side wants to be ****ed over if it does.

Oh don't you worry. Women take Home-Ec. classes to learn how to **** men over under any circumstances.

[weatherlight]

This will be an interesting case; however the guy is going about it wrong dragging gay marriage into it is only a desperate attempt to get publicity on a already touchy subject.

Honestly if “it” has the money for a sex-change “it” doesn’t need the alimony. I just hope that society starts awarding fathers, child support and men, alimony more often. I find the whole system/topic to be very hypocritical. It’s only fair with "equal rights" that it goes both ways.
Oh don't you worry. Women take Home-Ec. classes to learn how to **** men over under any circumstances.
I loved Home-Ec, its sad that I had a sexist teaching it.

[Ace_ofspade]

Oh lawd, this is a hilarious Jerry Springer episode waiting to happen. Even better then the "Midget Fight" one. XD

[John]

This will be an interesting case; however the guy is going about it wrong dragging gay marriage into it is only a desperate attempt to get publicity on a already touchy subject.

Honestly if “it” has the money for a sex-change “it” doesn’t need the alimony. I just hope that society starts awarding fathers, child support and men, alimony more often. I find the whole system/topic to be very hypocritical. It’s only fair with "equal rights" that it goes both ways.

I loved Home-Ec, its sad that I had a sexist teaching it.

It's he, not "it".

[Theory?]

I loved Home-Ec, its sad that I had a sexist teaching it.

Find me a Home Ec. class NOT taught by a sexist, or a lesbian, or a feminist, or some combo of the three, and I'll show you heaven.

[weatherlight]

It's he, not "it".
Meh, he/she/it is confused about their gender, so discribing them would either be "it" or "hesheit". I choose it, because it describes what does not fall under he or she.

Find me a Home Ec. class NOT taught by a sexist, or a lesbian, or a feminist, or some combo of the three, and I'll show you heaven.
That is true, I just hated being a guy in that class because she thought that the only reason I was there was to check out the girls, when I actualy enjoy cooking.

[John]

Meh, he/she/it is confused about their gender, so discribing them would either be "it" or "hesheit". I choose it, because it describes what does not fall under he or she.

Well, considering they had a sex change to become a man, I wouldn't exactly say he's is confused about his gender, unless he says himself that he doesn't know what his gender is.

[bayushisan]

Find me a Home Ec. class NOT taught by a sexist, or a lesbian, or a feminist, or some combo of the three, and I'll show you heaven.

Uhm, just out of curiosity and for my own edification, just what does this have to do with the story in question?

[Thefremen]

Uhm, just out of curiosity and for my own edification, just what does this have to do with the story in question?

To Theory? it would be HEAVEN to have such a home ec class. Just go to my old HS, Rubidoux High School. Of course, it was taught by a pedo....

Anyways, the ex-wife is a spivak and should be referred to as "Ey" and in "Ey still shaves emself".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spivak_pronoun

[Hannah]

My question is, if "he" could afford the operation and extensive treatments (which are elective), why does "he" need the extra $1250 a month?

And here's my little question:
If the woman makes more than the man, and he's forced to pay her, how is that right in any way, shape, or form?

Well, we don't know how far he went with the surgery -- FtM surgery isn't as effective as MtF -- and his ex-husband still might make more than him. And... even if that isn't the case, it occurs to me that the guy's gender is completely irrelevant. The case is about a poorly-written contract, which yeah, happened to involve the payment of alimony, but it could just as well have been any other kind of payment. Other contracts don't suddenly become invalid if one signatory changes gender (unless that's specifically written into the contract, of course), so why should this be any different?

[John]

Well, we don't know how far he went with the surgery -- FtM surgery isn't as effective as MtF -- and his ex-husband still might make more than him. And... even if that isn't the case, it occurs to me that the guy's gender is completely irrelevant. The case is about a poorly-written contract, which yeah, happened to involve the payment of alimony, but it could just as well have been any other kind of payment. Other contracts don't suddenly become invalid if one signatory changes gender (unless that's specifically written into the contract, of course), so why should this be any different?

Changing the focus to the gender reassignment surgery might make the case go in his favour. He's just preying on the bigotry and ignorance towards the transgendered community to get the results he likes.

[Pelor]

Home-ec ownt.

Anyway, what do you suppose would happen if you got the sex change while married.

[Thefremen]

Home-ec ownt.

Anyway, what do you suppose would happen if you got the sex change while married.

You get to go on Oprah and hopefully get that free **** she gives the audience members. (for real, I saw a person who switched genders and er wife stayed with em, they were on Oprah)

[Ace_ofspade]

Home-ec ownt.

Anyway, what do you suppose would happen if you got the sex change while married.

Then you'd still be married to a woman, just one with a corpse-flesh penis and surgery scars.