PS3 dumping Complete PS2 BWC\Microchip removed from European PS3

[ZippyDSMlee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6390657.stm


Euro PS3 to play fewer old games
Sony Play Station 3
Some PS2 games will play on PS3 after downloading updates
The European version of Sony's PlayStation 3 (PS3) console will not play as many old games as American and Japanese models, Sony has announced.

Gamers who already own PlayStation 2 (PS2) and PlayStation (PS) games may find they will not work on the long-awaited, new console.

The European PS3 has a different design to the Japanese and American consoles, which went on sale in November.

The PS3 is due to go sale in Europe on 23 March.

The console was supposed to be "backwards compatible", meaning all older PS and PS2 games should work on the new console.

But the European PS3 utilises a new combination of hardware and software emulation in which software takes over some of the functionality that was previously taken care of by dedicated chips.

This means that while European gamers will be able to play a wide range of original PlayStation titles on the PS3, there will be a limited number of PS2 games that will be compatible with the new console.

Downloadable updates

"Rather than concentrate on PS2 backwards compatibility, in the future company resources will be increasingly focused on developing new games and entertainment features exclusively for PS3," Sony Computer Entertainment Europe (SCEE) said in a statement.

Some additional PS2 games will become compatible on the PS3 through firmware updates made available for download on the PlayStation website.

The first such update is scheduled to be released on 23 March, the same day as PS3 is launched in Europe.

European gamers will have to wait until then to find out what PS2 games will run on the PS3, as Sony intends to announce which games are compatible on launch day.

"We're disappointed not to be able to deliver what we originally aspired to, which was full backwards compatibility," a Sony spokesman told the BBC News website.

"It's changing on an almost daily basis as to how many games will be supported," said David Wilson of SCEE, but there will be regular firmware updates."

Japanese PS3 consoles also faced compatibility issues following last year's launch, with Sony acknowledging audio and graphics problems with some older titles.

Around one million PS3 units will be made available for the European launch at a price of £425 (599 euros) per console.

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Sony once again wapes the daylights out of consumers and this of coarse means that soon al new PS3's will be BWC neutered............

[John]

Ultimately, who the hell buys a next-gen system to play past-gen games?

I'm willing to bet no one was looking for VHS compatability when buying a new DVD player.

[steelcobra]

There were enough that companies made dual-media boxes.

[Hank the Tank]

Ultimately, who the hell buys a next-gen system to play past-gen games?

I'm willing to bet no one was looking for VHS compatability when buying a new DVD player.

People who didn't own the past-gen system like me?

People who don't want to have multiple systems hooked up to one TV?

[ZippyDSMlee]

A repley to John but focused at sony.


Dear B Sony

this is the arrogance I love you had BWC in the last system but now you find it overwhelming and bad...give it a rest,not to mention tooting your own PR machine over and over again about fully spurting past systems and now...opps! I did it again,well Britiny get back to rehab and have someone better than you do your child/system because you are tramartizeing it.....

[KN]

Ultimately, who the hell buys a next-gen system to play past-gen games?

I'm willing to bet no one was looking for VHS compatability when buying a new DVD player.

Actually me.

And I bought a DVD/VHS combo. I craved it.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Actually me.

And I bought a DVD/VHS combo. I craved it.

Hell Id be willing to spend 250 on a DVD/VHS combo that dose not support macrovision....

[John]

The console was supposed to be "backwards compatible", meaning all older PS and PS2 games should work on the new console.

But the European PS3 utilises a new combination of hardware and software emulation in which software takes over some of the functionality that was previously taken care of by dedicated chips.

This means that while European gamers will be able to play a wide range of original PlayStation titles on the PS3, there will be a limited number of PS2 games that will be compatible with the new console.

Downloadable updates

Some additional PS2 games will become compatible on the PS3 through firmware updates made available for download on the PlayStation website.

So, let's sum it up.

1 -> The Euro and Aus PS3 will not be fully backwards compatable.

2 -> The Euro and Aus PS3 will support downloadable upgrades, like the Jap and US PS3.

3 -> PS1 and PS2 games will become playable with the downloadable upgrades.

So, I ask again, what's the problem? Last I checked, the 360 was exactly the same. I don't see people bitching about that.

[ZippyDSMlee]

So, let's sum it up.

1 -> The Euro and Aus PS3 will not be fully backwards compatable.

2 -> The Euro and Aus PS3 will support downloadable upgrades, like the Jap and US PS3.

3 -> PS1 and PS2 games will become playable with the downloadable upgrades.

So, I ask again, what's the problem? Last I checked, the 360 was exactly the same. I don't see people bitching about that.

......they have said they will not support it that once its set in motion they will be focusing on other things making updates to play thos unsoported PS2/PSX games vapor ware and thus as bad if not worse than the 360,however they could suprise us and have a 80% emluation going but frankly Sony has not been on the ball of things in years...

and the CURRENT price of the AUS and EU PS3s is what the new watered down ones will be priced at,so a EU gamer is getting a 900$ system with less spec than what a US gamer is getting for 600$....

[Thefremen]

So, let's sum it up.

1 -> The Euro and Aus PS3 will not be fully backwards compatable.

2 -> The Euro and Aus PS3 will support downloadable upgrades, like the Jap and US PS3.

3 -> PS1 and PS2 games will become playable with the downloadable upgrades.

So, I ask again, what's the problem? Last I checked, the 360 was exactly the same. I don't see people bitching about that.

The current [H]ardware supports ps2 bc through hardware and is superior, the new EU ones scrap that and do it through software but they've said will support far fewer games, and that they will not further enhance it so they can focus on newer content. Kotaku has the story on it and those are words from the horses ass.

I mean mouth.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

http://www.reuters.com/article/technologyNews/idUST1687920070309

Unlike the PS3 being sold in the United States and Japan, the European version will not carry a Sony-made microchip that offers graphic- and data-processing functions for PS2 games, cutting production costs, said a spokesman for game unit Sony Computer Entertainment (SCE).

The console will still be equipped with a different chip that processes graphics for PS2 games, but the backward compatibility of the machine will be lessened, the spokesman said.

Apparently, removing the chip will lower the system's price, but some PS2 games won't work on it. I wonder which ones will work and which ones won't.

[ZippyDSMlee]

http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showthread.php?t=1570


been there done that.



the really sad thing is they have said they will not support it after they remove all the PS2 hardware from the PS3,bacily its what MS has done with the 360...MS should have done what they always done infringe on patents to get sht done they should have used ninvidas or was it ati's emluation code to make the Xbox games fully working on the 360...

[Thefremen]

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=c8bbb106-67ca-41b0-91c9-68d708cc173f&k=27192

Confirmed, now US and JP ps3s will also support less games. Where is your God now, PS3 fans?

[Ministeve]

It's a sure shame to hear, but I'm not interested in paying £400 to play games I don't even play now.

(I'm also not paying £400 for a PS3, I'll wait till the drop the price. Since they've been saying all along that they won't drop the price, logic dictates that they will be wrong about that too and bring it down a notch.)

[ZippyDSMlee]

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=c8bbb106-67ca-41b0-91c9-68d708cc173f&k=27192

Confirmed, now US and JP ps3s will also support less games. Where is your God now, PS3 fans?

what are they going to do change the frim ware on current PS3s to play less games? 0-o

[Thefremen]

what are they going to do change the frim ware on current PS3s to play less games? 0-o

Well no, just drop the ps2 chip, add-in another chip for graphics, then emu via software. This will limit the compatibility the same way it has for Euro. Basically, before we assumed they would do this and now Sony has come out and said that they will.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showthread.php?t=1570


been there done that.

SON OF A BITCH!

Merge, please?

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financialpost/story.html?id=c8bbb106-67ca-41b0-91c9-68d708cc173f&k=27192

Confirmed, now US and JP ps3s will also support less games. Where is your God now, PS3 fans?

That's the same article I linked to, and I don't see anything about US and JP PS3's in it.

[steelcobra]

I doubt that this will really have any effect on most people's collection anyways. And even then they may still have their PS2 somewhere.

[Thefremen]

SON OF A BITCH!

Merge, please?



That's the same article I linked to, and I don't see anything about US and JP PS3's in it.

Ah ****, read the [H]ardocp article summary wrong.

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Ah ****, read the [H]ardocp article summary wrong.

In that case...

Where is your God now, PS3 fans?

http://www.tbs.co.jp/megamisama/05chara/images/urd-megami.gif

You were saying?

[Thefremen]

In that case...



http://www.tbs.co.jp/megamisama/05chara/images/urd-megami.gif

You were saying?

DROOOOOL! Rule 34?

I anxiously await news of the new gimped out US models..

[ZippyDSMlee]

In that case...



http://www.tbs.co.jp/megamisama/05chara/images/urd-megami.gif

You were saying?

Skuld would be a better "GOD"...its OTT ,barely works and they cant stop tweaking it......I mean really H E L L O!

the 360 is sexy thus gets Urd by default,sexy but has issues.....

the WII gets Belldandy its sweet and dim....mew =0-o=

[steelcobra]

http://idata.over-blog.com/0/17/54/02/ah-my-goddess/amg.belldandy.angel.jpg
The half-demon sister doesn't really work there.

[ZippyDSMlee]

http://idata.over-blog.com/0/17/54/02/ah-my-goddess/amg.belldandy.angel.jpg
The half-demon sister doesn't really work there.

I still say skuld is the best choice for the PS3...but then again the 360 is a mis mash to :P

[Garbage Pail Kid]

Urd's perfect for the PS3.

Although her powers exceed those of her sisters, she was supposedly relegated to second class ranking due to, what she claims, her tendency to lie;
For a goddess, Urd seems to have an amazing tendency to have her plans backfire.

The PS3 has more raw power than the other two, and Sony is sneaky and conniving, and they screw up their marketing plans a lot, so Urd fits it perfectly!

Anyway, is there any indication about which PS2 games will and won't work with the PAL PS3?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Urd's perfect for the PS3.




The PS3 has more raw power than the other two, and Sony is sneaky and conniving, and they screw up their marketing plans a lot, so Urd fits it perfectly!

Anyway, is there any indication about which PS2 games will and won't work with the PAL PS3?

you know you are right,skuld is the prefect fit for the 360 0-o,very much so if they reinvent it every few revisions 0-o

[steelcobra]

What they said was that the initial list would be over a thousand titles, mostly big sellers, so it's not a big deal.