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10 - You vigorously deny the existence of thousands of gods claimed by other religions, but feel outraged when someone denies the existence of yours.
9 - You feel insulted and "dehumanized" when scientists say that people evolved from other life forms, but you have no problem with the Biblical claim that we were created from dirt.
8 - You laugh at polytheists, but you have no problem believing in a Triune God.
7 - Your face turns purple when you hear of the "atrocities" attributed to Allah, but you don't even flinch when hearing about how God/Jehovah slaughtered all the babies of Egypt in "Exodus" and ordered the elimination of entire ethnic groups in "Joshua" including women, children, and trees!
6 - You laugh at Hindu beliefs that deify humans, and Greek claims about gods sleeping with women, but you have no problem believing that the Holy Spirit impregnated Mary, who then gave birth to a man-god who got killed, came back to life and then ascended into the sky.
5 - You are willing to spend your life looking for little loopholes in the scientifically established age of Earth (few billion years), but you find nothing wrong with believing dates recorded by Bronze Age tribesmen sitting in their tents and guessing that Earth is a few generations old.
4 - You believe that the entire population of this planet with the exception of those who share your beliefs -- though excluding those in all rival sects - will spend Eternity in an infinite Hell of Suffering. And yet consider your religion the most "tolerant" and "loving."
3 - While modern science, history, geology, biology, and physics have failed to convince you otherwise, some idiot rolling around on the floor speaking in "tongues" may be all the evidence you need to "prove" Christianity.
2 - You define 0.01% as a "high success rate" when it comes to answered prayers. You consider that to be evidence that prayer works. And you think that the remaining 99.99% FAILURE was simply the will of God.
1 - You actually know a lot less than many atheists and agnostics do about the Bible, Christianity, and church history - but still call yourself a Christian.
Actually, a few of these can be applied to Islam and possibly Judaism as well.
Ace_ofspade
10-08-2006, 07:10 PM
11- You watch The Colbert Report and think "Yeah, and?"
Theory?
10-08-2006, 07:24 PM
sigh...10char
Garbage Pail Kid
10-08-2006, 07:49 PM
Yea! More religion bashing! Just what GP needs.
pixelante_ninja
10-08-2006, 07:56 PM
I think this was in case Theory or Toll planned to do a debate thread with anything related to religion. Now they know that would not be the smartest topic to debate.
Thefremen
10-08-2006, 07:57 PM
Yea! More religion bashing! Just what GP needs.
I agree with that.
pixelante_ninja
10-08-2006, 08:03 PM
Are there even any christians still here anyway? I know Bayu left because he got pissed at us.
Thefremen
10-08-2006, 08:09 PM
Are there even any christians still here anyway? I know Bayu left because he got pissed at us.
Actually I have accepted Jesus Christ as my lord and Savoir. I'm just not an ass about things because Jesus Said "Don't be a dick!"
Yeah, we do. They're just not as pronounced.
12. You believe that either the Bible was written in English to begin with, or that anyone who translated it was also driven by the Will of gawd, making the translation flawless.
Yea! More religion bashing! Just what GP needs.
No no no, not religion bashing, religious extremism bashing.
There's a difference.
EDIT: Think of it this way: it's the difference between people like Hank the Tank and people like Bayu.
Garbage Pail Kid
10-08-2006, 09:14 PM
No no no, not religion bashing, religious extremism bashing.
There's a difference.
EDIT: Think of it this way: it's the difference between people like Hank the Tank and people like Bayu.
I overreacted, I guess. However, I find #2 to be insulting.
I agree with #4 the most, though. That is the same issue that caused me to reexamine my own religion. I mean, God is your cosmic parent and Hell is sometimes referred to as the second death. Loving parents don't kill their children. It's a very cruel belief that doesn't make sense.
Theory?
10-08-2006, 09:17 PM
I want to do a religion debate, just to force some of you to take up a side you don't agree with. It's Toll and I's little way of getting revenge on you guys for posting 209.8x10^24 threads on why religion sucks.
I overreacted, I guess. However, I find #2 to be insulting.
I agree with #4 the most, though. That is the same issue that caused me to reexamine my own religion. I mean, God is your cosmic parent and Hell is sometimes referred to as the second death. Loving parents don't kill their children. It's a very cruel belief that doesn't make sense.
I'm just curious, but how does #2 offend you?
pixelante_ninja
10-08-2006, 09:29 PM
No no no, not religion bashing, religious extremism bashing.
There's a difference.
EDIT: Think of it this way: it's the difference between people like Hank the Tank and people like Bayu.
Bayu wasn't exactly a religious extremist, he was just way too sensitive about this sort of stuff. Someone like Fred Phelps on the other hand...
Garbage Pail Kid
10-08-2006, 09:34 PM
I'm just curious, but how does #2 offend you?
It offends me because it's saying that prayer doesn't work and when it does, it's just chance. At least that's how I intepret it. I'm a very strong believer in praying. I mean, I pray almost every night (I try to.) I've gotten things I pray for sometimes, and other times I don't get them. There have been times I prayed for something I really wanted and didn't get it, but later I realized there was a good reason why God didn't give it to me. God answers prayers, but sometimes the answer is "No." That doesn't mean praying is worthless.
PyroHazard
10-08-2006, 09:40 PM
EDIT: Think of it this way: it's the difference between people like Hank the Tank and people like Bayu.
Can people for once stop using Bayu as the forum whipping boy for religious/anti-religious pissing matches?
(Oops, not pissing matches, I meant intelligent and civilzed debates. :rolleyes: )
Bayu wasn't exactly a religious extremist, he was just way too sensitive about this sort of stuff. Someone like Fred Phelps on the other hand...
I know. Bayu was actually really tamed compared to others. But I tried to use forum or ex-forum members as examples.
It offends me because it's saying that prayer doesn't work and when it does, it's just chance. At least that's how I intepret it. I'm a very strong believr in praying. I mean, I pray almost every night (I try to.) I've gotten things I pray for sometimes, and other times I don't get them. There have been times I prayed for something I really wanted and didn't get it, but later I realized there was a good reason why God didn't give it to me. God answers prayers, but sometimes the answer is "No." That doesn't mean praying is useless.
Ok then, sorry to offend. But like I said early, it's a of bashing of fundamentalism, and definitly not people like you and Hank the Tank...
If I had the power, I'd Ctrl+C and Ctrl+P you both hundreds of times over so there'd be more of people like you two then people like Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Jerry Farwell...
The Religious Left needs a stronger voice..srsly...
Garbage Pail Kid
10-08-2006, 09:57 PM
If I had the power, I'd Ctrl+C and Ctrl+P you both hundreds of times over so there'd be more of people like you two then people like Fred Phelps and Pat Robertson and Jerry Farwell...
The Religious Left needs a stronger voice..srsly...
Well, here's the tricky part: See, I don't know if you can really say I'm a Christian. I believe in God, Heaven, the Golden Rule, loving your neighbor, and all that sort of stuff, but as far as Jesus himself goes, I'm sort of unsure. I have issues with a lot of the stuff he said in the Gospels (I really don't know if he actually said some of them, though.) So, I guess I'm Pagan (not one of the big three world religions) but a lot of my beliefs are also Christian ones, so I don't like when people talk badly about Christianity (not saying you were.)
Oh, and I appreciate the compliment, but the paste command is Ctrl+V. ;)
Theory?
10-08-2006, 10:01 PM
Ctrl+p Print...
DAMMIT!
Ok, Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V, and lastly Ctrl+P.
Because...uhh...we need to make you physical...and not just digital!
Bah! Jokes dead anyway...
Oh, and whatever you refer to yourself as, you're still ten times better then half of those so-called 'Christians' out there.
Theory?
10-08-2006, 10:16 PM
There should be a "that" in your profile.
"I do hate people THAT twist religion..."
There should be a "that" in your profile.
"I do hate people THAT twist religion..."
...I need a coffee...
Garrett
10-08-2006, 10:19 PM
I've been happy to delete or edit past threads on religion. A few people have also been warned. Because of the nature of this forum, religion is one of those topics that come up, and there are disagreements on all sides. It's hard to avoid because sometimes, it's just the news of the day. Used properly, it's a subject that enhances a topic.
But I have to disagree with something. What you may think as religious extremism bashing may actually be quite offensive to a reader. Since we have many different people coming in from different parts of the world, and yes, different beliefs, it's obvious that you may touch upon a subject that someone will look down upon. I have mentioned before that you may be in the wrong forum if you feel you need to express a religious disagreement over the course of it's own thread. If you just have to, you can join plenty of other forums that do just that.
Rather then delete this thread, I would like to lock it, because it can show some detail as to why people can take offense, even if the topic was not intended to do so.
Theory?
10-08-2006, 10:22 PM
I only delete threads that are duplicates or violate the "no libelous statements" rule. Otherwise I just lock em. You can lock this one if you want.
Ace_ofspade
10-08-2006, 10:24 PM
Wow, I leave for 2 hours and the thread's 3 pages long?
I know. Bayu was actually really tamed compared to others. But I tried to use forum or ex-forum members as examples.
Well, if you count the LJ along with that, liveordie2 could work. I still think back and laugh at him.
Theory?
10-08-2006, 10:28 PM
The guy who runs Get Well Gamers was a devout Christian, and he was a pretty upright dude.
Garrett
10-08-2006, 10:32 PM
I only delete threads that are duplicates or violate the "no libelous statements" rule. Otherwise I just lock em. You can lock this one if you want.
Hmm...Not just yet, let's let people speak.
I've been happy to delete or edit past threads on religion. A few people have also been warned. Because of the nature of this forum, religion is one of those topics that come up, and there are disagreements on all sides. It's hard to avoid because sometimes, it's just the news of the day. Used properly, it's a subject that enhances a topic.
But I have to disagree with something. What you may think as religious extremism bashing may actually be quite offensive to a reader. Since we have many different people coming in from different parts of the world, and yes, different beliefs, it's obvious that you may touch upon a subject that someone will look down upon. I have mentioned before that you may be in the wrong forum if you feel you need to express a religious disagreement over the course of it's own thread. If you just have to, you can join plenty of other forums that do just that.
Rather then delete this thread, I would like to lock it, because it can show some detail as to why people can take offense, even if the topic was not intended to do so.
I agree with you, but I also must disagree with you.
Religious extremism today, as I see it, is more of a political ideology then a religious beliefs. In my opinion, religious beliefs are personal beliefs, and as they should be since everyone's religious beliefs are different, even within the same religion or denomination.
But Religious Extremist want to make their personal religious beliefs into their countries laws.
Which is another problem that I have with them. They turn their religion into politics, and anyone, including people like myself, KN, or Silver, or anyone who tries to criticize their 'political beliefs', they turn it around to make it out as if we're attack their religious beliefs, which is where we get the pseudo-War on Christians from.
And look at the Middle East, where nearly all the countries uphold religious laws. Or Republicans who merged their religious beliefs into their political beliefs, like Catherine Harris or Bill Frist. How do you debate with them without offending their religious beliefs if their religious beliefs and political beliefs are one of the same?
Liberalism, Conservatism, Socialism, Nazism, Communism, Anarchism, Libertarianism are all political ideas that are commonly attacked. Now I agree that there shouldn't be topics that offend someone's religion as much as there shouldn't be topics that offends someone's race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, which is why I apologized to GPK. But, like it's stated in the topic title, this is more so of a criticizing of Religious extremism or fundamentalism, which, in my opinion, is a political ideology, and not a religion.
One question though...was any of that coherent? I still didn't have a coffee...
EDIT:
Wow, I leave for 2 hours and the thread's 3 pages long?
Well, if you count the LJ along with that, liveordie2 could work. I still think back and laugh at him.
Oh yeah...I know of him/her, but that was before my time, unfortunately, so I didn't think of them.
pixelante_ninja
10-08-2006, 10:41 PM
The guy who runs Get Well Gamers was a devout Christian, and he was a pretty upright dude.
Ah yeah, I remember him, he was a really great guy, does he post anymore? Even if it isn't obvious most christians on GP are/were good people and tolerant and nice. Bayu was just overly sensitive. LiveorDie2 IIRC transformed into Jack Thompson while at the same time insulting him and basically became an ass. I like christianity every once in a while, I just don't like the people who shove it down my throat.
Garbage Pail Kid
10-08-2006, 11:01 PM
I agree with you, but I also must disagree with you.
Religious extremism today, as I see it, is more of a political ideology then a religious beliefs. In my opinion, religious beliefs are personal beliefs, and as they should be since everyone's religious beliefs are different, even within the same religion or denomination.
But Religious Extremist want to make their personal religious beliefs into their countries laws.
Which is another problem that I have with them. They turn their religion into politics, and anyone, including people like myself, KN, or Silver, or anyone who tries to criticize their 'political beliefs', they turn it around to make it out as if we're attack their religious beliefs, which is where we get the pseudo-War on Christians from.
And look at the Middle East, where nearly all the countries uphold religious laws. Or Republicans who merged their religious beliefs into their political beliefs, like Catherine Harris or Bill Frist. How do you debate with them without offending their religious beliefs if their religious beliefs and political beliefs are one of the same?
Liberalism, Conservatism, Socialism, Nazism, Communism, Anarchism, Libertarianism are all political ideas that are commonly attacked. Now I agree that there shouldn't be topics that offend someone's religion as much as there shouldn't be topics that offends someone's race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, which is why I apologized to GPK. But, like it's stated in the topic title, this is more so of a criticizing of Religious extremism or fundamentalism, which, in my opinion, is a political ideology, and not a religion.
One question though...was any of that coherent? I still didn't have a coffee...
I agree. :)
pixelante_ninja
10-08-2006, 11:07 PM
I just realized that Bayu still comments on wordpress, and I thought he had left completely.^I agree with what you agree with. When you attempt to merge religious and political thought, you must be able to take criticism for both. If you seperate your religion from your political ideals, there is no reason for others to attack them or rather there is no justification for it. But when you want abortion stopped or gay marriage banned because you think the bible says so, then both the bible and the law will be attacked, and you need to recognize that it's not because they hate the religion, but how you use it.
Garrett
10-09-2006, 12:17 AM
Editing just a bit here:
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Religious extremism today, as I see it, is more of a political ideology then a religious beliefs....
Religious Extremist want to make their personal religious beliefs into their countries laws....They turn their religion into politics, and anyone, including people like myself, KN, or Silver, or anyone who tries to criticize their 'political beliefs', they turn it around to make it out as if we're attack their religious beliefs, which is where we get the pseudo-War on Christians from.
And look at the Middle East, where nearly all the countries uphold religious laws. Or Republicans who merged their religious beliefs into their political beliefs, like Catherine Harris or Bill Frist. How do you debate with them without offending their religious beliefs if their religious beliefs and political beliefs are one of the same?
Liberalism, Conservatism, Socialism, Nazism, Communism, Anarchism, Libertarianism are all political ideas that are commonly attacked. Now I agree that there shouldn't be topics that offend someone's religion as much as there shouldn't be topics that offends someone's race, sexual orientation, gender, etc, which is why I apologized to GPK. But, like it's stated in the topic title, this is more so of a criticizing of Religious extremism or fundamentalism, which, in my opinion, is a political ideology, and not a religion.
One question though...was any of that coherent? I still didn't have a coffee...
Yes, I understand with your pOv. I even agree with you on that. Religion and political beliefs have become joined. But is this the proper battlefield? I wouldn't want someone coming to this forum pushing beliefs on me, preaching about how the god of plums will rain down massive fruits on all video gamers, but not in a nice way. However you see political ideology,when it comes to combining religion with it, it is in the way that you brought it about that may offend. The way you stated your thoughts in the above post was an excellent way of placing the message and getting your point across. But by making a top ten countdown...
But you do understand why I wanted to lock this thread? It was to avoid the usual war, and to remove a possibility of offending. I almost anticipated yet another PM or a Report Post.
Editing just a bit here:
Yes, I understand with your pOv. I even agree with you on that. Religion and political beliefs have become joined. But is this the proper battlefield? I wouldn't want someone coming to this forum pushing beliefs on me, preaching about how the god of plums will rain down massive fruits on all video gamers, but not in a nice way. However you see political ideology,when it comes to combining religion with it, it is in the way that you brought it about that may offend. The way you stated your thoughts in the above post was an excellent way of placing the message and getting your point across. But by making a top ten countdown...
But you do understand why I wanted to lock this thread? It was to avoid the usual war, and to remove a possibility of offending. I almost anticipated yet another PM or a Report Post.
Yeah, I understand. Though, I don't take credit for making it though. Someone posted it in an LJ community who got it from a MySpace community, who got it from somewhere else. So basically I'm just reposting it.
And it was intended as just humour. I, of course, apologize if I offended anyone.
Thefremen
10-09-2006, 05:31 AM
Nah, I understand John. No hard feelings. I'm just glad you didn't apologize to me because you know I'm not one to feel insulted.
Anyways, I do not like the neavous dark ages either. **** the damn creationists, I say.
However, it does seem at times we do a little too much anti-religion threads here, whether it be extremist bashing or otherwise.
SlyFox
10-09-2006, 06:07 AM
Are there even any christians still here anyway? I know Bayu left because he got pissed at us.
I'm Christian and I'm still here but I'm not a fundamentalist. I've seen first-hand that trying take *everything* the Bible says literally can potentially drive someone nuts.
The thing about religion is that it can be easily used to push one's own agendas and many people don't want to be suspected as "unbelievers" so they go along with it. Do the Salem Witch Hunts ring a bell?
Garrett, I'd like to know how I have a religion.
EDIT: Besides Pastafarianism.
Silver_Derstin
10-09-2006, 10:48 AM
I have more problem with extremists then with actual Christians. My parents are Catholics and I know many Catholics, and I never had any problem with them. They even allowed me to speak my mind about my religion, and most of them actually understood why I was more fervent about this one then theirs. The problem lies with people claiming that their religion is the cure-all to everything, which is what fundamentalists often do. While that Top 10 list thing might be insulting to some, I strongly believe that it is a clear reminder to people that sometimes you need to take things with a grain of salt, or look at yourself critically.
While true "religion bashing" threads should not be allowed, discussion threads about it can be interesting, when people are not flaming each other to hell, which is what part of this thread is. And I find it quite interesting.
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