I finally got my Motherboard

[steelcobra]

And filled the case.

http://pics.livejournal.com/1steelcobra/pic/000114y6
Ohhh, yeahhh
http://pics.livejournal.com/1steelcobra/pic/00012ewy
Yes that is an SLI connector. No, there is not a second card yet...
http://pics.livejournal.com/1steelcobra/pic/00013ach
In-case air conditioner. Nothing will overheat in this box.

Now I just need a monitor and some RAM...

[Thefremen]

Why AC instead of Water cooling or Water/peltier?

[seductivpancakes]

You planning on running vista on hat beauty?

[steelcobra]

Water cooling is an expensive, hard to deal with hassle. 220 for the case, 60 for the heatsink, and it'll keep every component cool, not just the ones with a waterblock on them.


I'll probably go with Vista in 6-12 months. Right now it'll just be running XP Pro.

And I'd like to point out I have 3 320GB HDD's in three of the 5.25" slots. I'm going to run that as RAID 0.

[Tollwutig]

WHAT no shiny pics of the the mother board outside the case?? I am disappointed.

[steelcobra]

It's an eVGA nForce 680i. Pretty much the standard if you're going to run SLI nowadays.
And that's the BFG 7900 GT OC 512MB in the first pci-e slot.

http://images.tigerdirect.com/SkuImages/gallery/large/E145-2008-a.JPG

[bayushisan]

congrats on getting the motherboard :)

[Jabrwock]

In-case air conditioner. Nothing will overheat in this box.
Wouldn't that bad boy be rather... loud?

Who makes it?

[Tollwutig]

I wonder if I could invent a Liquid Nitrogen cooled PC? Hmm .....

[Thefremen]

BTW, a water cooling system is only $100 now, factored in with a $100 case...Anyways from what I've seen Air Conditioning isn't nearly as good.

[steelcobra]

Wouldn't that bad boy be rather... loud?

Who makes it?

A bit, but I've got the Logitech Z5300e speakers, which would override it. Plus I can choose between just the case fans, the ac fan, or full ac, with three temp sensors to read off of.

Masscool: http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=1779401&CatId=1842

[Jabrwock]

Oh cripes, 38 dBA for the AC unit alone? Yeah, that's loud... :)
http://www.sytrin.com/3b-I-2.html

It looks like you could pop out the fan and put in a lower voltage/lower noise one... but that might be a bit tricky.

[steelcobra]

There are two fans in there. A traditional bladed fan and a drum fan. But If the system's under 30C using the case/heatsink/psu fans, I don't even really need to turn on the ac fan or air conditioning.

[ZippyDSMlee]

uhg dun get me started some of ramm went bad so I am trying to deal with ramm for 100-200 or a agp mobo for a core duo 6600 >< for 400 the trouble is I would probably need ram for it....I am just not having any luck right now....
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steelcobra
Nice,water cooling is over rated and a pain in the arse do they make general AC units or are then built into the cases?

[Theory?]

I bet that runs quiet as a jet engine.

[steelcobra]

Zip: Yes, it's built into the case, in order to facilitate an optimum airflow. Plus it needs to vent hot air out of the bottom of the ac device. (it uses a peltier to cool the area that case air blows over.

Theory?: Not that bad, but I've got a set of THX rated 5.1 speakers with the bass cube sitting on my left. And I don't need the front fans/AC running if the thermals are low enough.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Zip: Yes, it's built into the case, in order to facilitate an optimum airflow. Plus it needs to vent hot air out of the bottom of the ac device. (it uses a peltier to cool the area that case air blows over.

Theory?: Not that bad, but I've got a set of THX rated 5.1 speakers with the bass cube sitting on my left. And I don't need the front fans/AC running if the thermals are low enough.

ah,dose the peltier have a exhaust of its own?
I know the reverse side can make heat.

[steelcobra]

The top chills and blows into the case. The bottom heats up and is blown out of a special vent in the bottom.

[ZippyDSMlee]

The top chills and blows into the case. The bottom heats up and is blown out of a special vent in the bottom.

blowing hot air down dosent sounds like it defuses the air hot air well.

[Thefremen]

steelcobra
Nice,water cooling is over rated and a pain in the arse do they make general AC units or are then built into the cases?

It's a hell of a lot quieter.

[ZippyDSMlee]

It's a hell of a lot quieter.

true but are you willing to wait on replacement parts or replace user data when it goes boom?

[Thefremen]

true but are you willing to wait on replacement parts or replace user data when it goes boom?

With you I have no question that it would happen because you hooked the 12v motor with cat5 cable and 120v, but I had a water cooled system that worked just fine for 2 years until the motor was killed by power outages.

[ZippyDSMlee]

With you I have no question that it would happen because you hooked the 12v motor with cat5 cable and 120v, but I had a water cooled system that worked just fine for 2 years until the motor was killed by power outages.

7 volt
DC ONLY

oy......


mixing AC and DC is a no no

[Thefremen]

7 volt
DC ONLY

oy......


mixing AC and DC is a no no

No DC please, make mine Marvel!

[ZippyDSMlee]

No DC please, make mine Marvel!

*gets out the nipple attachments and car battery changer* DIE!! :P

[steelcobra]

blowing hot air down dosent sounds like it defuses the air hot air well.

It doesn't really matter as long as it's outside the (steel) case.

It's a hell of a lot quieter.
Water cooling is also notorious for letting components that depend on the heatsink fan's airflow overheat.

[Thefremen]

Water cooling is also notorious for letting components that depend on the heatsink fan's airflow overheat.

True, like caps on the mobo, but it is possible to take that into account. Personally I prefer undervolting/underclocking combined with big slow fans and big ol heatsinks.

[ZippyDSMlee]

True, like caps on the mobo, but it is possible to take that into account. Personally I prefer undervolting/underclocking combined with big slow fans and big ol heatsinks.

you know that makes perfect since with todays fickle "made in china" standards you'd need to run things at 80-95% to get them to work/last the longest without losing much performance.

[steelcobra]

95% of computer technology nowadays is not built in china. The sensitive nature of the construction of circuit boards and processors keeps the production in the US, Europe, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea.

[ZippyDSMlee]

95% of computer technology nowadays is not built in china. The sensitive nature of the construction of circuit boards and processors keeps the production in the US, Europe, Japan, Taiwan, and South Korea.

dosent seem like it half the time.

[steelcobra]

Most of the stuff coming out of china is cheap and poorly built. That just doesn't work when you need a computer that works.

[Thefremen]

Most of the stuff coming out of china is cheap and poorly built. That just doesn't work when you need a computer that works.


Right. I just don't need things at 100% power because these days I mostly just play wow and surf or rip/burn dvds...less power consumption helps with the bills.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Most of the stuff coming out of china is cheap and poorly built. That just doesn't work when you need a computer that works.

Don't dell,gateway,any other branded PC maker use china to assemble PCs?
I guess assemble being the key word...

[steelcobra]

Exactly. Assembly and manufacture are two different steps. However, any company that builds and ships a customized box within a few days probably also assembled it in the states.

[Jabrwock]

http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009713.gif (http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061113&mode=classic)
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061113&mode=classic
;)

[steelcobra]

That points to a page with no cartoon on it.

[Jabrwock]

That points to a page with no cartoon on it.
? Works for me...

http://www.userfriendly.org/
Nov 13, 2006

[ZippyDSMlee]

That points to a page with no cartoon on it.

works for me as well...altho I dont get it.....mini reactor for a PC? is that the joke?

[Korrd]

Maybe I should try harder, but my only response to this thread is:

RAID0 = teh dumb.

What's it for?

[KN]

works for me as well...altho I dont get it.....mini reactor for a PC? is that the joke?

Illiad is the master of cutting off storylines in the most obnoxious way possible, so the comic only becomes funny when you read the archives.

He can be pretty witty though.

[Thefremen]

Illiad is the master of cutting off storylines in the most obnoxious way possible, so the comic only becomes funny when you read the archives.

He can be pretty witty though.

The joke is....Linux is superior! HAHAHAHAHAHA!

[Jabrwock]

works for me as well...altho I dont get it.....mini reactor for a PC? is that the joke?
Sorry, should have posted the other comics that followed.

The mini-reactor is a power-supply/heat dispersal for his new video card...

http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009713.gif
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009714.gif
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009715.gif

[Jabrwock]

Skipped a 1-day poke at WoW
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009717.gif
http://www.userfriendly.org/cartoons/archives/06nov/uf009718.gif

http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061113&mode=classic
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061114&mode=classic
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061115&mode=classic
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061117&mode=classic
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20061118&mode=classic

[Korrd]

Linux is superior!No.

Damned 10-character post requirement...

[steelcobra]

Maybe I should try harder, but my only response to this thread is:

RAID0 = teh dumb.

What's it for?

Speed. Plain and simple.

3 320GB 7200RPM 16MB cache drives in raid 0=
21600 RPM equivalent
48MB cache equiv.

And with 960GB of storage space, you need the extra speed. Besides, You should never back up to a drive in the same case. I'm going to get a 1TB NAS box for backup eventually anyways.

[Korrd]

Backup is pretty important when you're tripling your risk of failure.

What do you store on the array? I mean, unless you're using it for video editing or somesuch speed shouldn't matter too much*.

* By which I also mean that unless you're doing something that makes use of the extra throughput, you won't ever notice the difference between RAID0 and single drive operation.

[steelcobra]

Gaming. The faster it loads the better. And I would very much love to keep all the fansubs I download. Plus various other videos.

For reference, since you're fairly new, I'm a professional IT technician with an IQ over 130.

And I highly doubt that brand-new Seagate SATA II drives fail that easily.

[Jabrwock]

And I highly doubt that brand-new Seagate SATA II drives fail that easily.Ack! As a tech you should know better than to say such things out loud! *knocks on particle board* ;)

[steelcobra]

I have great confidence in them. Plus even the most messed up systems run stable in my hands. It may take a few hours, but I can always fix what ails 'em.

[Korrd]

Gaming. The faster it loads the better. And I would very much love to keep all the fansubs I download. Plus various other videos.The benefits of RAID0 in gaming is usually minimal. Load times... that's it. And the few seconds you might save don't add up to much, IMO. Been there, done it, replaced it with a Raptor.

StorageReview.com did a nice article on the subject some time ago. I'd suggest reading it.

And first rule of RAID -- RAID0 isn't. Zero redundancy means if any one drive fails, you lose the contents of the entire array. Three drives means you're three times as likely to encounter a failure. If you're concerned about keeping your data, I hope you have that backup in place.

For reference, since you're fairly new, I'm a professional IT technician with an IQ over 130.I can't believe you included your IQ. Too funny. But ooh! I win. I had my IQ tested as part of a psychological profile as a teenager -- 141, IIRC. I've also got 17 years of computer industry experience.

My ePenis is now officially bigger than yours.

And I highly doubt that brand-new Seagate SATA II drives fail that easily.That is an incredibly naive and ignorant statement for someone in your field to make. As Jabrwock said, you should know better.

[steelcobra]

Anyways, it's up and running now (I have a pair of OCZ Platinum DDR2-800 1GB modules in dual channel mode) And it is running great. As for the loudness of the cooling, you can't even hear it when any audio is playing. And even when it's not it's just a dull hum. And feeling the sides the case itself is fairly cool. Cold even.

[Thefremen]

A friend of mine uses RAID 0 for BF2 & Windows, he uses 2 old 40 gig drives though.

Anyways, you people don't get it, Steelcobra spent some time in the deep desert, where water theives would kill you as soon as look at you. He is not a man living timidly under the shadow of fear, constantly vigilant for the sound of HDD clicks.

Also, he has ridden Shai-Hulud, and was not consumed by Him.

[steelcobra]

Ach. That absolute worst part of setting up a new computer is putting all the music on it. But at least I have space to rip the 800+ songs on CD to Apple Lossless instead of AAC...

[Jabrwock]

Tried FLAC (http://flac.sourceforge.net/)?

It's an open-source version of lossless AAC. Although I don't think you can use it in the Windows version of iTunes...

[steelcobra]

Doesn't really matter, as iTunes is my favorite player, and I've already got a 30GB iPod.

[Jabrwock]

Fair enough. :)

Heh, here's a guy playing FLAC on his iPod, of course that's because it's running Linux... ;)
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/flac/2005-February/000392.html

And it's killing his battery... :(

[steelcobra]

So, here's the temp readings my case is giving me:
Aircon: 16C
Tamb: 19C (prepositioned by manufacturer)
Tsys: 22C (hung from PSU support bar)
T2: 24C (stuck in the heatsink)

I don't see any reason to run linux on anything beyond being an elitist asshole who's also a cheapskate bastard.

[Korrd]

Anyways, you people don't get it, Steelcobra spent some time in the deep desert, where water theives would kill you as soon as look at you. He is not a man living timidly under the shadow of fear, constantly vigilant for the sound of HDD clicks.One does not foolishly risk one's water to the desert, nor one's data to RAID0.

That and it doesn't offer (http://faq.storagereview.com/tiki-index.php?page=SingleDriveVsRaid0) much benefit (http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=21621&st=0&p=221874&#entry221874) for most uses. But whatev. To each his own. Good luck.

Anyway, do you notice a significant difference in quality between higher bitrate (say, 256kbps) MP3 versus lossless formats? I always like my tunes in at least 160kbps MP3, but at 256kbps or higher I can't really hear any improvement.

[ZippyDSMlee]

One does not foolishly risk one's water to the desert, nor one's data to RAID0.

That and it doesn't offer (http://faq.storagereview.com/tiki-index.php?page=SingleDriveVsRaid0) much benefit (http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=21621&st=0&p=221874&#entry221874) for most uses. But whatev. To each his own. Good luck.

Anyway, do you notice a significant difference in quality between higher bitrate (say, 256kbps) MP3 versus lossless formats? I always like my tunes in at least 160kbps MP3, but at 256kbps or higher I can't really hear any improvement.

Data backup mode for raid is still good aint it?

altho if you have a failure that screws up the partition table would raid protect from that and general data loss?


steelcobra
pics noa....gut shots at that,and no 6 packs :P

[steelcobra]

I can easily tell the difference between AAC and MP3. And that was on the tiny little speakers on my laptop. I've got the Logitech Z-5300e 5.1 set for the desktop, plus an abundance of storage space. So there's not much point in using a lossy codec on this box.

[Korrd]

I don't see any reason to run linux on anything beyond being an elitist asshole who's also a cheapskate bastard.LOL, that's pretty much my reaction when someone tries to preach the virtues of Linux (or the "Windows/Microsoft sux" argument). So annoying.

I can easily tell the difference between AAC and MP3. And that was on the tiny little speakers on my laptop.Eek. I wouldn't call that conclusive. I'd think everything, regardless of quality, would sound like crap on the majority of laptop speakers. I might go grab a few songs in AAC or somesuch and see how I fare, though, just to satisfy my curiosity.

an abundance of storage space. So there's not much point in using a lossy codec on this box.Careful with that mentality. We always fall into that mindset with a storage upgrade, the feeling that it's damn near infinite. I remember thinking that about a 20MB hard drive... 9GB... 60GB, 120, 400... and now even a full TB setup seems limiting.

You will fill it up eventually. ;)

Data backup mode for raid is still good aint it?If you mean you're backing up to a RAID0, then the answer is unequivocally no. Backup is meant to provide security. RAID0 is by definition the least secure option, unless you count floppies.

[ZippyDSMlee]

LOL, that's pretty much my reaction when someone tries to preach the virtues of Linux (or the "Windows/Microsoft sux" argument). So annoying.

Eek. I wouldn't call that conclusive. I'd think everything, regardless of quality, would sound like crap on the majority of laptop speakers. I might go grab a few songs in AAC or somesuch and see how I fare, though, just to satisfy my curiosity.

Careful with that mentality. We always fall into that mindset with a storage upgrade, the feeling that it's damn near infinite. I remember thinking that about a 20MB hard drive... 9GB... 60GB, 120, 400... and now even a full TB setup seems limiting.

You will fill it up eventually. ;)

If you mean you're backing up to a RAID0, then the answer is unequivocally no. Backup is meant to provide security. RAID0 is by definition the least secure option, unless you count floppies.

so then how dose one backup a HD of XP?
WIll ghost let you do a full dump to a USB drive with tis boot CD?

[steelcobra]

Eek. I wouldn't call that conclusive. I'd think everything, regardless of quality, would sound like crap on the majority of laptop speakers. I might go grab a few songs in AAC or somesuch and see how I fare, though, just to satisfy my curiosity.

Careful with that mentality. We always fall into that mindset with a storage upgrade, the feeling that it's damn near infinite. I remember thinking that about a 20MB hard drive... 9GB... 60GB, 120, 400... and now even a full TB setup seems limiting.


All audio ratings are subjective. I know Theory? is much better at picking out the little stuff than I am, but he's a musician. At the same time, MP3 was meant to be a quick and dirty compression, not high quality. And if anyone ever tells you the best way to test speaker/codec/player quality is with a machine, punch them in the face.

I'm going from a laptop with only 60GB that has served me well, though a bit tightly, for nearly two years now. I'm enjoying the breathing room.

so then how dose one backup a HD of XP?
WIll ghost let you do a full dump to a USB drive with tis boot CD?
Ghost will do an exact image of your hard drive whenever you do the build. That's its primary purpose. But it does do incrementals as well.

[Thefremen]

One does not foolishly risk one's water to the desert, nor one's data to RAID0.

That and it doesn't offer (http://faq.storagereview.com/tiki-index.php?page=SingleDriveVsRaid0) much benefit (http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=21621&st=0&p=221874&#entry221874) for most uses. But whatev. To each his own. Good luck.

Anyway, do you notice a significant difference in quality between higher bitrate (say, 256kbps) MP3 versus lossless formats? I always like my tunes in at least 160kbps MP3, but at 256kbps or higher I can't really hear any improvement.

I agree with you about the benefits. I also agree about water safety, I'm just saying he knew the proper way to wear his stillsuit, and when I saw that I thought to myself "He will know your ways as if born to them...". I'm also pretty sure he caught me saying a prayer to Shai-Hulud.

At any rate, I certainly would rather use a Raptor instead of RAID 0, although raptors do prey on Muad'Dib.

Zippy: Yes, Ghost will do that. Also, my daughter loves Ghost because she knows what Ghosts are and says "oooooh" when she sees the icon.

[steelcobra]

I'll put it this way: I got all the front-panel switch/led connectors right on the first try.

[Korrd]

I'm going from a laptop with only 60GB that has served me well, though a bit tightly, for nearly two years now. I'm enjoying the breathing room.Oh, I bet. I plan on adding another RAID5 here when I get the chance, aimed at adding a solid TB of usable space.

so then how dose one backup a HD of XP?
WIll ghost let you do a full dump to a USB drive with tis boot CD?The ideal (read: simplest, most effective) backup solution in most cases is an external drive that can be unplugged after the backup and stored in a secure location (a small fireproof safe is a good idea).

Some people use DVDs or another machine to backup, but I prefer the above solution. DVDs hold a relatively limited amount of data, and I don't like the idea of the backup drive being active in another computer.

I firmly believe that a backup medium should be capable of being removed and isolated from the host system, as well as being as uncomplicated as possible.

If you must backup to another computer, use a single drive or some form of redundancy (i.e., RAID1 or RAID5). I think steelcobra mentioned earlier in this thread that data backup should never be done in the host machine (i.e., to a secondary internal hard drive). Sound advice.

EDIT: And yes, Ghost good. Much good. Makes backing up--and restoring--quite easy.

[steelcobra]

Something like this (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2443662&CatId=2670) is a good idea. You could even just have a cat 5 and the power adapter lines run next to the safe and just plug it in once a week or so.

[ZippyDSMlee]

All audio ratings are subjective. I know Theory? is much better at picking out the little stuff than I am, but he's a musician. At the same time, MP3 was meant to be a quick and dirty compression, not high quality. And if anyone ever tells you the best way to test speaker/codec/player quality is with a machine, punch them in the face.

I'm going from a laptop with only 60GB that has served me well, though a bit tightly, for nearly two years now. I'm enjoying the breathing room.


Ghost will do an exact image of your hard drive whenever you do the build. That's its primary purpose. But it does do incrementals as well.
if I dont have space and can only place it on the USB hard dirve then what? Ghost can not make a full image of xp within XP, XP locks to many files down...
or am I reading with my arse again?(yes I can poop to see)

[Jabrwock]

I can easily tell the difference between AAC and MP3. And that was on the tiny little speakers on my laptop. I've got the Logitech Z-5300e 5.1 set for the desktop, plus an abundance of storage space. So there's not much point in using a lossy codec on this box.Depends on the bitrate. I've heard that if it's 160kbps or higher, AAC beats mp3 for quality.

[steelcobra]

Even at the lowest quality AAC whips MP3. There's just no real comparison.

[Korrd]

Something like this (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2443662&CatId=2670) is a good idea. You could even just have a cat 5 and the power adapter lines run next to the safe and just plug it in once a week or so.Hai. Seconded. Everyone and their uncle makes these kinds of enclosures, so just get a decent one, pick up some reliable drives, and voila.

You could get a brand name 500GB USB enclosure for less, though. That'd be sufficient for most people.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Something like this (http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2443662&CatId=2670) is a good idea. You could even just have a cat 5 and the power adapter lines run next to the safe and just plug it in once a week or so.

I can get a 250GB HD USB backup kit for 60 less if not more ,same thing,alhto that has more features.

Heres the question no one has answered,cn you make a "FULL" backup/partition of XP using ghost INSIDE OF XP?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hai. Seconded. Everyone and their uncle makes these kinds of enclosures, so just get a decent one, pick up some reliable drives, and voila.

You could get a brand name 500GB USB enclosure for less, though. That'd be sufficient for most people.

all I need is enough to put the demon of XP on and update it now and then.

[steelcobra]

You never make a backup on the same drive. The entire purpose of backups is in case that drive or system goes ass-up.

[ZippyDSMlee]

You never make a backup on the same drive. The entire purpose of backups is in case that drive or system goes ass-up.

having 2 backups is a bit much since 1 will be in DVD format and one on a HD thats run rarely the need for double HD backup is low.

[Thefremen]

I can get a 250GB HD USB backup kit for 60 less if not more ,same thing,alhto that has more features.

Heres the question no one has answered,cn you make a "FULL" backup/partition of XP using ghost INSIDE OF XP?

Yes. that's what i meant.

[steelcobra]

And done.

1075 songs, 2 days, 20 hours, 40 minutes, 24.62GB

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yes. that's what i meant.

gee someone should tell MS Norton knows how to copy locked system files *L*

I couldahve sworn I restored a partition to a blank HD once I used ghost 9 to make the backup and XP would not load from the new HD without reinstalling it ...mmmm altho I would forget my ass if I didnt need it for pooing ><

[Thefremen]

gee someone should tell MS Norton knows how to copy locked system files *L*

I couldahve sworn I restored a partition to a blank HD once I used ghost 9 to make the backup and XP would not load from the new HD without reinstalling it ...mmmm altho I would forget my ass if I didnt need it for pooing ><

I did that once. the drive i restored it to was selected as preferred by BIOS and it booted windows but kept crashing because windows assigned the drive the d letter and windows was installed to the c drive before. had to hack the registry to assign the letter correctly.

[steelcobra]

A Ghost image ignores system settings and just replicates the drive's write pattern. Are you sure you weren't using just basic backups? Because we have a Ghost image built for every computer type in use, and whenever one is brought online we Image it from the Ghostcast server. Which is just another implementation of a basic ghost image.

I recommend building up the system to where you like it, creating an Image, then backing up your Data separately.

[Thefremen]

A Ghost image ignores system settings and just replicates the drive's write pattern. Are you sure you weren't using just basic backups? Because we have a Ghost image built for every computer type in use, and whenever one is brought online we Image it from the Ghostcast server. Which is just another implementation of a basic ghost image.

I recommend building up the system to where you like it, creating an Image, then backing up your Data separately.

Well in my case it was duping an old HDD to a new HDD and ghost likes to reboot back to windows after it's done, so it replicated all the settings on a drive that that install of windows assigned the letter D to. Ya digg?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Well in my case it was duping an old HDD to a new HDD and ghost likes to reboot back to windows after it's done, so it replicated all the settings on a drive that that install of windows assigned the letter D to. Ya digg?

Yes I dig,hopefully the gremlins in my brain wont "gnaw on the cables" again ><

[Theory?]

I just moved this thread to keep it in the right place.

[steelcobra]

Not a problem. I just thought it would be better to rez the old topic, and it was in OT at the time.