Barack Obama

[BSG]

I sent Obama an e-mail last night:


Dear Mr. Obama,

My name is Brandon St. Germaine and I am an 18 year old student of Film in Duluth Minnesota. I consider myself an artist, an established slam poet, and a video game designer. I was living in Illinois for a period of time while attending DePaul University in Chicago earlier in 2006. Having already heard your speeches and platforms from your senatorial race, I was already very supportive of your efforts. After hearing about the overwhelming support you have received from the black community in Chicago, I saw far more of your importance to the future of America. Two particular elderly men had explained that they had voted for only their second time in their long lives when you were up for ballad. I’ve found that young black men don’t feel that they have a voice. You seem to fill that void. However, I’m sure that none of this is news to you.

I feel very strongly about a number of topics. I avoid partisan, but defend the fact that the Democratic party, however corrupt in today’s instance, secures all of our rights to govern our own lives the way we would choose to govern them. This includes my own personal conservative lifestyle. I’ve found that you are the only (potential?) candidate for the 2008 presidency that I can truly stand behind. The situations and topics that I do not agree with you on, I can at least see your reasoning. You are not a stupid or foolish man by any means, and so I am far more comfortable with disagreeing with you than I am with other particular democratic candidates.

There is one issue, however, that I’m not so sure I know your stance on. Political Correctness, and more specifically: Video Game Violence. You might say that these topics have nothing to do with each other. On the contrary, they are nearly identical.

I must clarify something before I am to continue: I was born with Diastrophic Dysplasia, a rare form of dwarfism that was unexpected by my family. Not only did I grow up with a very obvious physical disability, but my condition also financially crippled my already poor family. We were at a very low point in society when I was young. Since then, my parents have become the highest paid positions in their fields, regardless of their less-than-high-school-education. We have completely shifted in our financial situation, and I am proud to say that I can certainly understand both sides of the financial spectrum.

While I can claim that I have experienced severe social anxiety, I believe that we are all victim of prejudice at some point in our lives. I simply would like to make it clear that I have a very clear understanding of what it feels like to be belittled and ignored. I’d invite hate over the feeling of fearfulness and envy.

I bring this up because political correctness is something I am often referenced for. “What do you want people to call you?” The question always seems so naïve to me. Human? Man? Brandon? Something enduring? But they want to know what stereotype they can use. If “midget” will make me angry. I tell them all the same things: I am a dwarf, because my medical condition is dwarfism. There are midgets whose medical condition is midgetism (An older medical term for proportionate limbs). A majority of people with these conditions, however, prefer “Little People,” because to them, it isn’t hurtful or prejudice.

I am a poet. I thrive in the margins of good literature. Alan Ginsberg’s psychotic drug induced homosexual rants are the things of my kin. I am brother to the Leaves of Grass. Shakespeare has defined my method of loving women. You must understand that language is, for lack of a better term, something I own. Midget, dwarf, and little people are all simple words. They have harmed no one in the history of mankind. I consistently use worse terms to describe myself. It is not the words themselves that harm us—it is those that would use them against us. It is people who would see us fill with rage at the simple use of a word. Those are our incorrect politics: Not the words themselves.

No expletive has ever stood over a woman and raped her.
No term of bigotry has ever sold living human beings as slaves.
No offensive idea has ever sinned or offended any god.

People did these things. Their words and even their actions are irrelevant. It is their thinking, and what bred it that is the problem. Ignorance has bread men who teach children who grow into adults who are ignorant.

Video Games, and the violence within them has been a major topic of a particular presidential candidate. Her blanketing voice of uneducated reason is gospel to the mothers and fathers of our children. However ignorant and regrettable her impression is, to make this ideology into law is absurd.

It's a child's moral upbringing that will affect their view of the world, not how well they're sheltered from it. While I don’t approve of minors playing desensitized violent videogames, I do not believe it is the government’s right or responsibility to raise my child for me. The government’s boundaries for what is acceptable and what is not acceptable will not match my own. It is the responsibilities of parents to know what their children are playing, but first and foremost to know that their child, having grown up in their household, will have the moral tools to assess and logically evaluate a violent situation in a videogame.

We cannot expect to leave our homes without being offended. That’s the nature of freedom. The beauty of this system is that morality arises from self motivation, not from government/church requirements. Censorship laws of any kind are simple avoidances of the real issues we face today.

So I’d like to know your detailed stance on this subject. Where do you stand? Have you ever played videogames? Do you understand a parent’s right to allow their child to play whatever game they’d like to? Do you disagree with the thought that people who exhibit violent behavior and also play videogames are inherently violent in the first place, and thus, play videogames for that very reason? What stances will you take on this issue once you’ve taken office as the President of the United States?

Thank you very much for your time, Senator Obama, and very good luck in your presidential race.

Sincerely,

Brandon St. Germaine


I'll be sure to post his reply. That is, if he himself replies.

[KN]

He'll never mention video games again after he gets elected.

But I'm sure he'll respond.

[Demontestament]

If he does reply please post it in here, I am curious to what he will say.

[BSG]

I guess I expected a little more out of a site like this. Is this a case of TLDR?

[Grahamr]

I sent Obama an e-mail last night:



I'll be sure to post his reply. That is, if he himself replies.

That was a very good letter. I hope that he can respond.

He seems like a nice guy, so he'll prolly be civil.

[BSG]

I just signed up for a blog on obama's new website:
http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/blog/bsg

[Thefremen]

I guess I expected a little more out of a site like this. Is this a case of TLDR?

I'm just so shocked your screen-name is your initials I can barely post. Seriously, I know it's probably less lame than a name from a book written in 1965, but wow.

Anyways, well written letter, and even if he responds with a form letter, we all know he'll be better for free speech then Hillary "Tipper but with more power" Clinton.

[BSG]

How can you possibly define a lame factor for internet screen names? Point me in the direction of a good screen name, and I'll give you a cookie. I just like having a bit more of a formal screen name than "loldude412"

[Hannah]

How can you possibly define a lame factor for internet screen names? Point me in the direction of a good screen name, and I'll give you a cookie. I just like having a bit more of a formal screen name than "loldude412"

Some of us are just lazy and use our real first names :P

[Thefremen]

Some of us are just lazy and use our real first names :P

Well you're name is awesome because Hannah is awesome, therefore your name is awesome...

[BSG]

Astounding and unmatched logic, right there.

How about that Obama guy?

[Thefremen]

Astounding and unmatched logic, right there.

How about that Obama guy?

It's circular logic IIRC...

Anyways, Obama just lost me and I'm more apathetic than ever. Seriously, the guy is just doing the old trick of "Find a huge complicated problem that can't possibly have a simple solution, Lie to the public about it and offer the retards in the majority an overly-simple solution, when solution fails to work blame opponent/opposing political party.".

Once again, voting for him will be a contest of "who's worse for the country". The Republican candidate will want to put all gays to death, Hillary will want to put us in a police state so that children can be safe, but Obama won't really be clear about what he wants except that he wants people to stop having so much fun.

[KN]

I don't recall Obama having said anything ever about video games since it was last 'hip'. I'm sure if someone sat down with him and talked it over, showed him some games, and statistics, he'd understand. He's not a brick wall like Orange Boy or Clinton.

He's the best choice you people have. Go read up on him.

[ZippyDSMlee]

It's circular logic IIRC...

Anyways, Obama just lost me and I'm more apathetic than ever. Seriously, the guy is just doing the old trick of "Find a huge complicated problem that can't possibly have a simple solution, Lie to the public about it and offer the retards in the majority an overly-simple solution, when solution fails to work blame opponent/opposing political party.".

Once again, voting for him will be a contest of "who's worse for the country". The Republican candidate will want to put all gays to death, Hillary will want to put us in a police state so that children can be safe, but Obama won't really be clear about what he wants except that he wants people to stop having so much fun.

then don't vote,it will be the lesser of evils till we get a Multi party system and even then it will be pick the lesser of evils because they all are suckling the tit of the mighty corporation.

Obama is not to bad and is probably the better Dim running right now.
In the end it comes down to making a worthless protest vote or voting for the head of the hydra you stand most....

[Thefremen]

I don't recall Obama having said anything ever about video games since it was last 'hip'. I'm sure if someone sat down with him and talked it over, showed him some games, and statistics, he'd understand. He's not a brick wall like Orange Boy or Clinton.

He's the best choice you people have. Go read up on him.

LURK on the front page of www.gamepolitics.com fool. :)

[ZippyDSMlee]

LURK on the front page of www.gamepolitics.com fool. :)

I'd agree with KN but frankly when he gets into office he could pull a bush,he really needs to talk more about he wishes to control media and other issues he seems to be to eager to ignore it all till office....and then let the pit plus in the house ans senate do all the work of getting nothing done...

[KN]

Wow, you people are worse than the republicans.

He wants people to get up and do something. Are we gamers getting a persecution complex now?

Shame. Shaaaame.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Wow, you people are worse than the republicans.

He wants people to get up and do something. Are we gamers getting a persecution complex now?

Shame. Shaaaame.

you must understand hes just the FACE,the body is that of the nanny state loving,Tax increasing,Corporation enslaved DIm-ocrat's

the Reps would be
the body is that of the corporate state loving,Tax lower for rich only,Corporation worshiping Reap-ublicans

you must understand there is no win even if someone worth while wins.....

[Thefremen]

Wow, you people are worse than the republicans.

He wants people to get up and do something. Are we gamers getting a persecution complex now?

Shame. Shaaaame.

GAMESECUTION! GAMESECUTION!

Heh, seriously though I will make some copypasta for that, hopefully delicious.

At any rate, I'm just PO'd because he's acting like voter apathy is the problem with politics, when voter apathy is because of the problems with our established system. He's over-simplifying a problem so that it seems easy and do-able, a common thing for politicians.

"Yeah, we can bring the troops out of Iraq, we can balance the budget and save the environment and elect a Negro for president if only you put down those awful gameboys and clap your hands and believe in fairies!"

Bull****, Obama can't get elected in the United States of Amerikkka, and even if he does he'll be a lame duck president since the congress and the house will refuse to work with him. Even then he hasn't presented a plan for what he'll do to un****-up the country, this actually reminds me a lot about when Bush was asked what he'll do to help the economy and his answer was something along the lines of "we all gotta work together to help the economy..also, y'all gotta go to school and get batcher's degrees. Look at what my edumacation did for me! I read me a book!".

[BSG]

Where are you getting all of this? Are you just pulling ideas out of a hat? Can you back any of this up?

[ZippyDSMlee]

Where are you getting all of this? Are you just pulling ideas out of a hat? Can you back any of this up?

SO you are saying

1.America is ready to vote in a noob(sadly Hillery has a higher chance and she has less EXP,....oh snap)

2.the Congress filled with spitefull career polis only wanting to further their careers (will stop and work together with anyone to get anything done NOT).

3.The system "works" (I am getting sick..........).

[Hannah]

He seems like a remarkably sane politician from what I've read about him. Even the so-called "anti-game" vibes that you folks seem to be getting from him are pretty damn mild. I mean, seriously... the mere fact that he used playing gameboy as an example of a leisure activity does NOT mean he has anything against gamers. Hell, he even supports net neutrality, so I doubt he's as censor-happy as a lot of his rivals.

[ZippyDSMlee]

He seems like a remarkably sane politician from what I've read about him. Even the so-called "anti-game" vibes that you folks seem to be getting from him are pretty damn mild. I mean, seriously... the mere fact that he used playing gameboy as an example of a leisure activity does NOT mean he has anything against gamers. Hell, he even supports net neutrality, so I doubt he's as censor-happy as a lot of his rivals.

I think what we are getting at is basically he wont be able to do sh!t because of the system thats in place,if he some how became president do you really think he could do anything to corrupted powers around him?

[Hannah]

I think what we are getting at is basically he wont be able to do sh!t because of the system thats in place,if he some how became president do you really think he could do anything to corrupted powers around him?

At least he'd be more likely to try than the other folks. You're never going to get rid of that corruption if you keep voting in guys like Bush.

[ZippyDSMlee]

At least he'd be more likely to try than the other folks. You're never going to get rid of that corruption if you keep voting in guys like Bush.

Hes still human and will take the most easiest path,10 to 1 Hillary will win and then the days of opposite bush but the same as bush will begin....*shudders*

I do think Obama is the better of the lot so far,I mean really he cant do worse than those who came before him.the past 3 or so didn't put up enough effort to fight for the people the worst he can do is more of the same,with anyone else it can easily be worse.....

[Thefremen]

Thing is, no matter what we're getting another R. Hillary has more exp and will get the nomination, plus she knows the game and will call him a terrorist till she's blue in the face. The American public will consider voting for her until they realize she's a girl and has cooties, plus her opponents will say that she won't be able to fight the war on terror because the A-rabs don't respect womyn (she might counter that they don't respect women in Israel's armed forces either but it doesn't hinder them).

A Republican will win and he'll blame all the problems his administration ignores on the Dem controlled congress.

I'm voting L, by the way.

[KN]

There was a day when voting R actually meant voting L, cause that's what they were back then.

Those were good days =/

[ZippyDSMlee]

Thing is, no matter what we're getting another R. Hillary has more exp and will get the nomination, plus she knows the game and will call him a terrorist till she's blue in the face. The American public will consider voting for her until they realize she's a girl and has cooties, plus her opponents will say that she won't be able to fight the war on terror because the A-rabs don't respect womyn (she might counter that they don't respect women in Israel's armed forces either but it doesn't hinder them).

A Republican will win and he'll blame all the problems his administration ignores on the Dem controlled congress.

I'm voting L, by the way.

Ya know L ain't that bad when it gets to the 8 months of the election we here should post what one thats still running we like and why.

frankly I think everyone should stop and vote L for the main reason to give Washington a wake up call,it might actuality start some reform and let a 3rd or 4th party in....

[Thefremen]

There was a day when voting R actually meant voting L, cause that's what they were back then.

Those were good days =/

Yeah but as noted in the other thread "Strom Thurmond switched parties in 1964...". The R party changed ALOT since the pro-segregation a-holes switched from D to R, and after it became clear that hating blacks didn't sell they switched to hating sinners and commies and liberals etc. Isn't it great that current R people say "OMG Lincoln" when the party currently in no way represents what his platform was?

BTW I actually did fall for Bush back in 1999/2000 when he said "I will not participate in nation building". Then, 2 years later, he started building nations like it was going out of business.

[Yukimura]

Yeah but as noted in the other thread "Strom Thurmond switched parties in 1964...". The R party changed ALOT since the pro-segregation a-holes switched from D to R, and after it became clear that hating blacks didn't sell they switched to hating sinners and commies and liberals etc. Isn't it great that current R people say "OMG Lincoln" when the party currently in no way represents what his platform was?

BTW I actually did fall for Bush back in 1999/2000 when he said "I will not participate in nation building". Then, 2 years later, he started building nations like it was going out of business.

Among other things bush has tried to do since his election, building nations was just one of them. but if your delusional to belive that Clinton or gore would make better leaders, don't cry to me when a nuke goes off in new york during democratic control of the country

[Thefremen]

Among other things bush has tried to do since his election, building nations was just one of them. but if your delusional to belive that Clinton or gore would make better leaders, don't cry to me when a nuke goes off in new york during democratic control of the country

Just saying I'd love to get the product that I voted for but never will, so instead elect someone with experience who is competent. I'd rather have Richard M Nixon than Al Gore or George W Bush.

[Yukimura]

Just saying I'd love to get the product that I voted for but never will, so instead elect someone with experience who is competent. I'd rather have Richard M Nixon than Al Gore or George W Bush.

Agreed with that.:D

[ZippyDSMlee]

Among other things bush has tried to do since his election, building nations was just one of them. but if your delusional to belive that Clinton or gore would make better leaders, don't cry to me when a nuke goes off in new york during democratic control of the country

Before I get started let me make this clear
Bill Clinton >Edwards>Gore>Kerry>Satan>Hillery>Bush
Perhaps the dark lord can not manage better than MR#2 Fou Businessman of the world Kerry (Bush is #1 BTW) and Ms Clinton I do not know I have not seen his resume,Bush ran on being a Financial reformist when everyone knew he was a product of book cooking and daddy saving him from his bushiness failures is anyone that surprised that he wondered from his goal and let his pals dck around with the country?

With that being said,would the Dims do better things would be bad but not this bad but as annoying.

(rant UPGRADE)


SO nation building and repealing of rights and the "war" are reasons enough to want to always chose bush?....I'd rather have gore,with slightly higher taxs no war in Iraq,Afghanistan should be mostly secured by now we would still have open issues with North koera and Iran but at least we would not be up to our eye balls in debt and loss of exp soldiers and a money and blood pyre burring in iraq... ...

as fuzzy brained as I am I can see gore or even grape face dealing with things better than bush,
would we still have isses with the border yes,
still have issues with corporations buying out US resources(dubi ports) yes
still have issues with corporate/poli greed yes
Be in a pointless war no one likes NO

at least we would be in a slightly better place to deal with things if a war was truly needed..I mean come on.....taking up Husane who was pined up and dried up so that we could endlessly send money into the region to end the fight on terrorism nevermore.....I'd rather have 2 mini 911's
witch would make for a better reinventing of how we protect our nation than the current BS that involves constant money and blood being spent to take a step forward and a step back....lets not forget we started the flame we will now be actively in the middle east until peace or death reaches throughout it or we simply destroy out selfs by endlessly championing there.

(yes I said it I would rather have the loss of less then 1500 civialain lives in 2 or 3 incadenaces that took under 5 billion to recover from than this sh!t in Iraq,I would rather sacrifice my life for the country so it could live on better than to have thousands of soldiers die for me under a poorly managed circumstances ,when dose the need of many become so great its worth derailing everything you know or lived for....................has everyone forgotten the days when civilians sacrificed for the needs of the troops nay the country?? are the troops the only ones allowed to be the only human sacrifices in war?....)

surely I am not the only one who feels something like this................

[Yukimura]

Before I get started let me make this clear
Bill Clinton >Edwards>Gore>Kerry>Satan>Hillery>Bush
Perhaps the dark lord can not manage better than MR#2 Fou Businessman of the world Kerry (Bush is #1 BTW) and Ms Clinton I do not know I have not seen his resume,Bush ran on being a Financial reformist when everyone knew he was a product of book cooking and daddy saving him from his bushiness failures is anyone that surprised that he wondered from his goal and let his pals dck around with the country?

With that being said,would the Dims do better things would be bad but not this bad but as annoying.

(rant UPGRADE)


SO nation building and repealing of rights and the "war" are reasons enough to want to always chose bush?....I'd rather have gore,with slightly higher taxs no war in Iraq,Afghanistan should be mostly secured by now we would still have open issues with North koera and Iran but at least we would not be up to our eye balls in debt and loss of exp soldiers and a money and blood pyre burring in iraq... ...

as fuzzy brained as I am I can see gore or even grape face dealing with things better than bush,
would we still have isses with the border yes,
still have issues with corporations buying out US resources(dubi ports) yes
still have issues with corporate/poli greed yes
Be in a pointless war no one likes NO

at least we would be in a slightly better place to deal with things if a war was truly needed..I mean come on.....taking up Husane who was pined up and dried up so that we could endlessly send money into the region to end the fight on terrorism nevermore.....I'd rather have 2 mini 911's
witch would make for a better reinventing of how we protect our nation than the current BS that involves constant money and blood being spent to take a step forward and a step back....lets not forget we started the flame we will now be actively in the middle east until peace or death reaches throughout it or we simply destroy out selfs by endlessly championing there.

(yes I said it I would rather have the loss of less then 1500 civialain lives in 2 or 3 incadenaces that took under 5 billion to recover from than this sh!t in Iraq,I would rather sacrifice my life for the country so it could live on better than to have thousands of soldiers die for me under a poorly managed circumstances ,when dose the need of many become so great its worth derailing everything you know or lived for....................has everyone forgotten the days when civilians sacrificed for the needs of the troops nay the country?? are the troops the only ones allowed to be the only human sacrifices in war?....)

surely I am not the only one who feels something like this................

wasn't saying I agree with bushs handling of Iraq, though I do agree with removing saddam, thats beside the point. My point was, as much as the Libs like to claim they support free speech, they are world famous for attempting to use the courts to silence anyone who disagrees with them.

Not saying the Reps dont, but historicly, yes, both parties are about the same in that regard.

As far as Gore, Edwards, Kerry, and clintion, any of them gets elected, expect america to be under siege in less then 2 years, as it's a Known FACT that that is exactly what terrorist would love cause it would mean that rather then having to fight on there own turf, they could come to ours.

Say what you will, but I'd rather have Guliani over anyone else right now, at least he'd know not to leave the country open to attack.

Clinton? She gets elected, security goes out the windows and the army gets depleted. Kerry? he's a micheal moore towel boy, and would beholding to the Radical libs. Same goes for Clinton, despite her claims to the contrary. Gore? He's a brain dead hypocrite.

As for "BILL CLINTON" or as he should be better known, " Ms. Clinton" since he has no balls, under his presidentcy, Taxs soared, we had four direct attacks against US service men and embassies go unanswered, and he created a Surplus by sucking all the money from the working class pockets. Some great president he was, the only one I can remember who has ever faced actual Impeachment hearings.

I dont think bush was the best president, hell, I have major issues with some of the things he's done, but at least when we got attacked, he was willing for fight. That fight got out of control, and spread much farther then it needed to. But at least he was willing to fight, unlike ***** Clinton, who refused to take any action when our people over seas came under attack repeatedly, and lacked the courage to Take Bin laden when he was offered him.

Libs or REPS, it doesn't really matter, niether on is really good at running the country anymore. Personally, I miss the Days of Kennedy and Reagan. Completely different idealogies, yet I respected both men.

So save your praise for the clintons for people who don't do there research Zip, I know who did what, and I know that by and large, Bush may have made mistakes, but Clintion didn't even have the courage to take any action at all. I prefer one who would act, even if he makes mistakes along the way, to one who lacks any courage to begin with.

That being said, We should have been done in Iraq a year ago, if not more. I agree that we should be out of there.

But if not there, Where? They already attacked america on our soil once. If they aren't busy fighting us in the middle east, then where do you think they head?

Thats right, good Ol USA

And I shudder to think of what happens if we leave Iraq, and suddenly hamas or Hezbolah take control of Iraq and it's resources. You think 9/11 or maybe 2 would be better? How bout a small nuke Dropped in the middle of new york? or would you prefer Dc? Maybe LA? Pick a City, they'd all be open targets if the dems were running the country.

Removing Saddam, I feel was a good move. staying there? Not a good move.

But, if you belive that us leaving now will make us safer?

That, is the absolute Peak of Delusion.

[Yukimura]

Please feel free to disregard my last post if you like.

And make a note to yourselves.

"DO NOT POST WHEN ANGRY OR STRESSED OUT FROM WORK!"

It makes you post in long rambling rants that really don't say anything, and just make you sound angry.

Oh, and Zippy. Can't say I agree with you man, least on some parts, but didn't mean to go all Ranty Mc Rant on ya like I did. Sorry pal.

Stupid ten hour shifts. ::Stumbles off to bed::

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yukimura

I will say this now you don't rant you politely argue ^_~


As far as Gore, Edwards, Kerry, and clintion, any of them gets elected, expect america to be under siege in less then 2 years, as it's a Known FACT that that is exactly what terrorist would love cause it would mean that rather then having to fight on there own turf, they could come to ours.

I disagree with this mostly because unless one side has complete power nothing will get done,because nothing will get done nothing will change much,we are still very unprotected even with the changes that have been made,the only reason we have yet to be attacked is because its easier for them all to go to Iraq and spill American blood and because of that we have relaxed plans to fix our protection issues winding us back to square one at least if had another attack something worth while would be in place now altho even then its 50/50.

As for "BILL CLINTON" or as he should be better known, " Ms. Clinton" since he has no balls, under his presidentcy, Taxs soared, we had four direct attacks against US service men and embassies go unanswered, and he created a Surplus by sucking all the money from the working class pockets. Some great president he was, the only one I can remember who has ever faced actual Impeachment hearings.

See above

I dont think bush was the best president, hell, I have major issues with some of the things he's done, but at least when we got attacked, he was willing for fight. That fight got out of control, and spread much farther then it needed to. But at least he was willing to fight, unlike ***** Clinton, who refused to take any action when our people over seas came under attack repeatedly, and lacked the courage to Take Bin laden when he was offered him.


I am sorry even if Hillerary was Prez we would have gone to war with Afghanistan/Taliban to say otherwise is to really have the blinders on,and if we went to Iraq under a Dem it would have winded up like bosina...only another dictator would have tooken over once we left after 1-2 years *L* then we would nudge them in the right direction but then again removing Saddam is like putting a hole in the middle of a full milk jug.....



That being said, We should have been done in Iraq a year ago, if not more. I agree that we should be out of there.

But if not there, Where? They already attacked america on our soil once. If they aren't busy fighting us in the middle east, then where do you think they head?

Thats right, good Ol USA

And I shudder to think of what happens if we leave Iraq, and suddenly hamas or Hezbolah take control of Iraq and it's resources. You think 9/11 or maybe 2 would be better? How bout a small nuke Dropped in the middle of new york? or would you prefer Dc? Maybe LA? Pick a City, they'd all be open targets if the dems were running the country.

Removing Saddam, I feel was a good move. staying there? Not a good move.


If we never went into Iraq Saddam would still be in power and being the Everyone hating Dictator he was he would not easily help anyone to do anything ,hes to busy abusing his people and securing his wealth .
hell even he did not like Hezbula and the taliban he might send them stuff but he didnt like them in his country because it was his country and he wanted 120% control.


Its true they would be taking pot shots at the US but more focused on derailing the governments around them, and in turn we could shore up our defenses (witch we have not done yet) and help thos governments with arms/money and troops (the more radical the government the more troops and less arms/money).


And I shudder to think of what happens if we leave Iraq, and suddenly hamas or Hezbolah take control of Iraq and it's resources. You think 9/11 or maybe 2 would be better? How bout a small nuke Dropped in the middle of new york? or would you prefer Dc? Maybe LA? Pick a City, they'd all be open targets if the dems were running the country.

and thus the rub......we made this so,if we leave they win if we stay they win because we can not keep this up for another 10-20 years...

======================

Leaveing now? are you mad? we have made such a mess there is nothing we can do but fight and its a problem chainy made for us all.

Your love for "Clitton" is my love for "Bush" dont get me wrong Clitton was a fool BUT the corporation/The Rich advancement was slowed we were not in debt or in a endless war(and the fault I lay on 50% the "times" and 50% chainy)

However Clitton did invok naffta and bent over for china as well as a few other things that were to advance the rich beyond reason.

let me put to you like this

On a sacle of 1-10
Regan 5 (started the assault on programs for the fmailes and poor)
Bush.Sr 5 (con the assalt on the poor and advanced the RIch)
Clitton 7 (tried to do things but failed alot)
Bush.jr 3 (a mix of Regan,Bush.Sr and clitton;furthering the rich and badly managing the budget and the war)


Now don't get me wrong I have no delusions over the evils of Hillery gore is not bad but not good either Obama could be good but he's very handicapped by the powers in place,the current Body of both Dims and Reapers are so full of rancor and corruption...it makes the hairs on my brain fall off


Tell me what do you see Juani doing or trying to do?
Lets not focus on the war thats been done to death and even the best minds of the world cant figure out how to fix chainys mess

How would he handle citizens rights (vehicle,spying,gays)
schools and programs for the poor (programs that work and palce moeny where it needs to go)
Corperation abuses (Book cooking ,over paid CEO's,abuse of ctizen rights over land and such,letting corperations buy up army mfg and ports)

Enviroment (Corpertation pollution,getting us off oli)

Boarder protection (not just mexico but our very unprotected shipping system)

tell me what you think he can do and what you hope he can do?
frankly I see the system as broken its always going to be 50/50 witch each side screwing us over but in different positions its been 10-20 years since they put this sh!t into overdrive its time we vote a 3rd party it would be enough to start some change no matter how small it would be better than keeping the Dims and the reapers witch is not good for any of us....

[Thefremen]

Big ****in' post zippy but agree about Saddam, the mother****er hated terrorism since terrorists fight against establishment/authority and he wanted control. Basically, for the same reason Nazis didn't like the Marquis.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Big ****in' post zippy but agree about Saddam, the mother****er hated terrorism since terrorists fight against establishment/authority and he wanted control. Basically, for the same reason Nazis didn't like the Marquis.

I try ,I do hope it didnt kill the fur on your brain ^^


trouble is Saddam was patch on a bag of sand now thats hes gone the sand is running out and we have to deal with all the fcking ghosts in the closet that that region has all the back fighting all the in fighting all the tribal insanity if it was a "sane" region I think chainys management plan would have worked.

[PyroHazard]

I just noticed this whole page was made by posters with cats in their avatars. hmm.

On topic though, I don't see why there is such contention and scrunity against what Obama said. It's a stupid political talk point, not an eternal damnation of digital media. :rolleyes:

[Thefremen]

I just noticed this whole page was made by posters with cats in their avatars. hmm.

On topic though, I don't see why there is such contention and scrunity against what Obama said. It's a stupid political talk point, not an eternal damnation of digital media. :rolleyes:

My main criticism is what he says amounts to "**** all y'all voters, it's not the parties fault that DC is ****ed up beyond repair and the only way to fix things is with a revolution so bloody it would make the French Revolution seem tame! It's actually your fault since you aren't sending enough letters for us to ignore and you aren't demonstrating enough out of camera range and out of sight of the candidate who you disagree with! It's your fault that the administration does whatever the hell they feel like even when millions march on washington in defiance of the administration's policies! It's your fault that politicians will ignore the voices of 10s of millions of voters and listen to 1 man with a briefcase full of hundred dollar bills c/o the oil companies! Finally, it's your fault that the voting machines w/o paper backup that you have demonstrated against time and again are in place and throwing away your votes!".

[Yukimura]

can't say we see eye to eye everywhere, but Thats to be expected. Either way, I will vote for Guliani in 08.

I do agree on a few things.

The rights issue. It needs to be reconsidered and looked at.

The enviroment is a concern, and we do need to get off Oil. However, Al "I'm the world biggest Hypocrite" gore should shut his mouth until he stops using private jets, Sells 2 of his 4 mansion, and shows that he can practice the stuff he prechs.

Corparate Abuse? Yeah, gotta say, Agree with ya there. But at the same time, Corperations make about, what? 80 percent of the jobs in the country? So, yea,h, the abuse has to stop, but crippling corps cripples the economy.

Borders: For me it's Simple. Lock down the boarders, and create a new, straightforward way for people to become US citizens. But the Border has to be controlled FIRST!. As far as the current illegals, it's simple. Either they pay taxs, learn english, and pursue Citizenship. Otherwise, they get deported. Thats my take on immigration.

The middle east will always hate the West, cause we represent everything there own goverments have failed to acheive. Stack that ontop of the relegious issues they hate us for, and it's pretty clear they will keep attacking us unless they are destroyed, but thats a solders mentallity.

Still, everyone is free to disagree, thats whats great about america.

[KN]

Giuliani is a nobody. He's only considered great because he happened to be mayor when **** EXPLODED in 2001.

Sure, as a republican candidate, he would be great, but a lot of idiots are going to vote for him instead of whoever the democrat contender will be. And no matter what kind of republican you put in office, the resulting government will still **** **** up.

Yuki, you should technically be voting Libertarian, not republican.

[ZippyDSMlee]

can't say we see eye to eye everywhere, but Thats to be expected. Either way, I will vote for Guliani in 08.

I do agree on a few things.

The rights issue. It needs to be reconsidered and looked at.

The enviroment is a concern, and we do need to get off Oil. However, Al "I'm the world biggest Hypocrite" gore should shut his mouth until he stops using private jets, Sells 2 of his 4 mansion, and shows that he can practice the stuff he prechs.

Corparate Abuse? Yeah, gotta say, Agree with ya there. But at the same time, Corperations make about, what? 80 percent of the jobs in the country? So, yea,h, the abuse has to stop, but crippling corps cripples the economy.

Borders: For me it's Simple. Lock down the boarders, and create a new, straightforward way for people to become US citizens. But the Border has to be controlled FIRST!. As far as the current illegals, it's simple. Either they pay taxs, learn english, and pursue Citizenship. Otherwise, they get deported. Thats my take on immigration.

The middle east will always hate the West, cause we represent everything there own goverments have failed to acheive. Stack that ontop of the relegious issues they hate us for, and it's pretty clear they will keep attacking us unless they are destroyed, but thats a solders mentallity.

Still, everyone is free to disagree, thats whats great about america.


what about the protection of the ports?
Look at ports around the word that do 10X the things we do and yet they are not crippled or slowed down??


I would like to see regulation back in government and business this fou free market is stagnating innovation and prices??
The conglomeration of the baby bells is a mis nomer while they were the only game in town and had to be dismembered ,now they are one of many but sadly cable and radio are still CRAP other industries are as bad,even if you whack of the toes or break some bones of the Corporations they will adapt right now the able and radio are nothing compared to the horror of the Pharemsiticle and insurance industries these gaints need to be tamed right NOW....

[Tollwutig]

OK I split out the stuff regarding the Media into it's on thread as to not derail this thread completely.

You can discuss the media here (http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showthread.php?t=1627).

This being a topical Forum please get back on Barack Obama

[ZippyDSMlee]

OK I split out the stuff regarding the Media into it's on thread as to not derail this thread completely.

You can discuss the media here (http://www.gamepoliticsforums.com/showthread.php?t=1627).

This being a topical Forum please get back on Barack Obama

Sorry sorry,BTW are you and the other mods going to start moving threads that need to go into the newer sub forms GP has made?
I made a list...somewhere...
I'll just PM ya and you take it from there,I like the forms tidy too ^^

[Thefremen]

So...Barok Obama...Will hillary destroy him enough in the primaries so he has no chance of winning?

[ZippyDSMlee]

So...Barok Obama...Will hillary destroy him enough in the primaries so he has no chance of winning?

Well it comes down to screwing up and begin able to conquer screwing up,if Hillary or X can take pot shots at obama and survive their own campaign they would probably win.

If the DIms are on a "women on top" kick then Hilary as dim candidate number 1 is for them....so much for peoples choice....

[Zanzer]

I don't think this letter will receive a response, at least not one worth receiving. It is too wordy and contains several ideas that a Presidential candidate, particularly a black one, cannot stand behind (in particular, the philosophy that words can/do not cause harm). When we write to politicians, we need to keep to-the-point, and most importantly, we have to use language that will allow them to stand behind the letter as a whole. If even one phrase contains a philosophy that they cannot endorse, they will dismiss the whole letter, lest that one phrase be cited by the competition.

As far as Obama as a candidate, I do not think he has the experience to deal with foreign policy. That was a big problem with Clinton - at the time Bill was put into office, we were primarily concerned with domestic affairs, which Clinton (in my opinion) was brilliant at. Every biolography I've read about Clinton had him in a two-to-three year learning curve on foreign policy when he took the office, where he made very few decisions (left it up to others) until he was brought up to speed. This undoubtedly had an impact on events. I don't think we could tolerate another person having to work through such a learning curve at this time.

My "dream" vote would be: Clinton/Obama, 2008 & 2012; Obama/Clinton, 2016 & 2020.

[BSG]

Thanks for the thread split. My thread was way off track :-(

You know, I understand that now. It really doesn't look like I'm going to get a response, and I can understand why.

That bothers me a ****ton. While I understand his position, I wish that our politics didn't have to work that way.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Thanks for the thread split. My thread was way off track :-(

You know, I understand that now. It really doesn't look like I'm going to get a response, and I can understand why.

That bothers me a ****ton. While I understand his position, I wish that our politics didn't have to work that way.

*wonders back to topic*

sorry,normally letters get a generic reply from staff rarely high level staff and rarely still from the person running.

[Thefremen]

I don't think this letter will receive a response, at least not one worth receiving. It is too wordy and contains several ideas that a Presidential candidate, particularly a black one, cannot stand behind (in particular, the philosophy that words can/do not cause harm). When we write to politicians, we need to keep to-the-point, and most importantly, we have to use language that will allow them to stand behind the letter as a whole. If even one phrase contains a philosophy that they cannot endorse, they will dismiss the whole letter, lest that one phrase be cited by the competition.

As far as Obama as a candidate, I do not think he has the experience to deal with foreign policy. That was a big problem with Clinton - at the time Bill was put into office, we were primarily concerned with domestic affairs, which Clinton (in my opinion) was brilliant at. Every biolography I've read about Clinton had him in a two-to-three year learning curve on foreign policy when he took the office, where he made very few decisions (left it up to others) until he was brought up to speed. This undoubtedly had an impact on events. I don't think we could tolerate another person having to work through such a learning curve at this time.

My "dream" vote would be: Clinton/Obama, 2008 & 2012; Obama/Clinton, 2016 & 2020.

So...it wasn't a problem at all with Bush? I believe his policy was "**** you guys, your countries are dead to me and Tony Blair is my BFF".

[KN]

You know, he has a point there. If Clinton is picked, she'll have Obama be her running mate. If the reverse is true, I'm sure Obama might pick her.

[ZippyDSMlee]

You know, he has a point there. If Clinton is picked, she'll have Obama be her running mate. If the reverse is true, I'm sure Obama might pick her.

why is it I can see her being like chainy....while obama plays the front/fall guy *shudderrs more*

obama is nice but can not make just any dim look good....

[Thefremen]

You know, he has a point there. If Clinton is picked, she'll have Obama be her running mate. If the reverse is true, I'm sure Obama might pick her.

She'd be stupid to do that, since by then she'd have accused him of being a child molesting gay BDSM furry fundamentalist muslim fundamentalist christian retarded crack addict male prostitute terrorist 10 times over in every media imaginable.

But yeah, she might still since she has all the charisma of a wolverine without the good looks.

[BSG]

Truer words haven't been spoken.

I hate that the democratic party is attacking itself. That's going to make the republican party look really good.

[Skeeblar]

Truer words haven't been spoken.

I hate that the democratic party is attacking itself. That's going to make the republican party look really good.

No kidding /sigh

[Thefremen]

Truer words haven't been spoken.

I hate that the democratic party is attacking itself. That's going to make the republican party look really good.

It's one of the big problems I have with the Dem party. Bush is smart enough, when he attacked McCain's war record, he did it through a dummy instead of personally. But what does Hillary do? Days after Obama announces that he's running her camp attacks and says that he went to a terrorist school.

[SpookyX]

Hey everyone I am the admin of Gamers for Obama at http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/GamersforObama. I know Barrack feels video games can take away from children doing more productive things (which is arguable) but he does believe in our freedoms. He has stated previously there needs to be a balance of protecting our kids and protecting our rights which I certainly think is fair.

Please feel free to come on over to pay our group a visit even if you are not a fan of Obama. We have some good discussions.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hey everyone I am the admin of Gamers for Obama at http://my.barackobama.com/page/group/GamersforObama. I know Barrack feels video games can take away from children doing more productive things (which is arguable) but he does believe in our freedoms. He has stated previously there needs to be a balance of protecting our kids and protecting our rights which I certainly think is fair.

Please feel free to come on over to pay our group a visit even if you are not a fan of Obama. We have some good discussions.


Might I be the first to doubt ...er... welcome you :D

First off you can not legislate gaming if you create a ratings board for it or anything else it will be shot down as censorship if you want to rewrite the laws dealing with censorship please feel free to can your career.

The Internet is not the same as boardcast TV,over the counter DVDs/Games is not the same as TV thus no FCC like entity can rain over it,the sooner all "polis" understand that the better.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Not to Necro this thread, but I think it would be awesome if Obama did the following:

Originally Posted by KN
**** that. Barack will knock down the White House and rebuild it out of pimpin' black obisdian.

It's all so wonderful in my mind ^_^

My response:

That would be So. ****ing. EPIC.

I can see it now, Massive Statues of Martin Luther King Jr., Jimi Hendrix and some other guy i'm thinking of (Of course I have no idea what music Barack likes, but i'm working on the Classic Rock theory).

And then.. Sorry, i'm having orgasms brought on by the sheer awesomeness of it..

[Pominator]

Even though I arent american I definitely support Obama in his presidency race, right now I can't see anyone else who is more eligible for the position.

If Mitt Romney gets in I am going to become an assassin for the day, just so we can be rid of him fast, and I am generally against killing!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Even though I arent american I definitely support Obama in his presidency race, right now I can't see anyone else who is more eligible for the position.

If Mitt Romney gets in I am going to become an assassin for the day, just so we can be rid of him fast, and I am generally against killing!

Goodie, I was hoping for assistance.

[Pominator]

you mean like going all Kane and Lynch on them?

well just so long as I get Kane's Pushblade

http://www.coldsteel.com/nise.html

one out of that set will do nicely!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

you mean like going all Kane and Lynch on them?

well just so long as I get Kane's Pushblade

http://www.coldsteel.com/nise.html

one out of that set will do nicely!

We're going to need the Cat Tanto..

[Pominator]

I was more into the Pushblade I

there are some sword canes there as well, check this out:

http://www.coldsteel.com/88scm.html

I want the skull head one for my birthday

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I was more into the Pushblade I

there are some sword canes there as well, check this out:

http://www.coldsteel.com/88scm.html

I want the skull head one for my birthday

:3 10char..

[Pominator]

actually quite scared that you can get that sort of stuff legally in america...

[BlackIce, British Commie]

actually quite scared that you can get that sort of stuff legally in america...

Read the fine print: Not Legal In California

[Pominator]

I know, but that is just one state, and it is hardly like they are going to confiscate your baggage if you are carrying what looks like an innocent cane are they, you could therefore get one into california, you just need to make sure it's true nature isn't revealed... question is, how do I get one into England?

I want one of the Pushblades and the Skull Head Sword cane, for decorative items of course

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I know, but that is just one state, and it is hardly like they are going to confiscate your baggage if you are carrying what looks like an innocent cane are they, you could therefore get one into california, you just need to make sure it's true nature isn't revealed... question is, how do I get one into England?

I want one of the Pushblades and the Skull Head Sword cane, for decorative items of course

Leave everything to me..

[Pominator]

will do sire

[BlackIce, British Commie]

will do sire

Damn, I forgot Joe's infront of the Magistrate today..

[Pominator]

sorry I believe I must have missed some part of your story, what are you talking about?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

sorry I believe I must have missed some part of your story, what are you talking about?

Getting a Sword Cane into the UK.

[Pominator]

Yeah but you said

Damn, I forgot Joe's infront of the Magistrate today..

What has that got to do with UK sword canes?

afterwards we need to get this back on topic

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Yeah but you said



What has that got to do with UK sword canes?

afterwards we need to get this back on topic

He was how I was going to get the Sword canes in..

[Pominator]

ahhh

In that case, when I go to America (for university) I will send one back to you how about that?

I hear UPS will take anything these days...

[BlackIce, British Commie]

ahhh

In that case, when I go to America (for university) I will send one back to you how about that?

I hear UPS will take anything these days...

It's a deal.

[Pominator]

So which one do you want then? when I go I WILL get one no joke and I will try and get it to you

I totally want skull head, that would be so freaking hardcore, make Dr House MD look like a pu**y

[BlackIce, British Commie]

So which one do you want then? when I go I WILL get one no joke and I will try and get it to you

I totally want skull head, that would be so freaking hardcore, make Dr House MD look like a pu**y

Pistol Grip, by all means.

[Pominator]

awesome, I will try and get it done, just so you know I will be in college for the next 2 years so I may take some time in the whole going to america thing, so don't go on a videogame influenced mall rampage in the meantime and then kill yourself, we don't want that!

what was this subject about again?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

awesome, I will try and get it done, just so you know I will be in college for the next 2 years so I may take some time in the whole going to america thing, so don't go on a videogame influenced mall rampage in the meantime and then kill yourself, we don't want that!

what was this subject about again?

Some Yank called Obama.

[Pominator]

oh yeah him... hes cool isn't he?

didn't I say he should recolour the whitehouse or something?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

oh yeah him... hes cool isn't he?

didn't I say he should recolour the whitehouse or something?

I think that was KN.. I'm seriously thinking about writing off an E-Mail to suggest it.

It's an PWNage idea.

[Pominator]

hmm, I suggested it and he improved on it with the obsidian marble idea, my original plan was to have it repainted, but I would heartily endorse KN's idea as well

[BlackIce, British Commie]

hmm, I suggested it and he improved on it with the obsidian marble idea, my original plan was to have it repainted, but I would heartily endorse KN's idea as well

=D 10char 10char

[Pominator]

wow looking at all our posts today, in a matter of hours we have managed to throw the entire forum "topic" system into absolute disarray, managing to derail every slightly important topic on the politicians and personalities forum

and still no one responds to my letter thread in the legislation topic

[BlackIce, British Commie]

wow looking at all our posts today, in a matter of hours we have managed to throw the entire forum "topic" system into absolute disarray, managing to derail every slightly important topic on the politicians and personalities forum

and still no one responds to my letter thread in the legislation topic

Welcome to the Jungle, Pommie.. :D

[KN]

If we keep going we're going to create another Chaos God.

[Pominator]

hmm, I wasnt around then, whats that all about then?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

If we keep going we're going to create another Chaos God.

Eh? What'choo talkin' 'bout KN?

[Pominator]

What'choo talkin' 'bout KN?

[KN]

Gais know your 40K lore (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slaanesh), ok? (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_the_Eldar)

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Gais know your 40K lore (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Slaanesh), ok? (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Fall_of_the_Eldar)

I knew that..

[Pominator]

some guys at college have tried to get me to join their 40k group, its like a freaking cult in there!

Not the Lyndon Larouche or Scientologist style cult, that is just mental retardation being sold on the streets to unfortunate bystanders, no this is the proper sort of cult, the one that no one knows about unless you actually know about it, the one where you have to know a certain fact or figure just to get into a conversation about it, it is pretty freaking awesome!

Of course my definition of cult allows me to remain being a christian/buddhist at the same time, that way I can still get into heaven :-)

[ConstantNeophyte]

...Of course my definition of cult allows me to remain being a christian/buddhist at the same time, that way I can still get into heaven :-)

Got your bases covered aye? :)
*Waits for the inevitable "All your bases..." quote*

[KN]

That's a pretty good idea. Either you go to heaven or you ascend to a godlike level of awareness and kick god's ass for not letting you into his house.

[ZippyDSMlee]

That's a pretty good idea. Either you go to heaven or you ascend to a godlike level of awareness and kick god's ass for not letting you into his house.

I always figure you either ascend or reincarnate..... there is no hell for "humans", not with life being more than painful enough, hell is not needed =^^=
*licks KN and wonders off*

[Pominator]

oof, well I just like the idea of enlightenment and heaven-y-ness thats all, I have always been a Christian, but I recently discovered that, to the church, Buddhism is a way of life, not an actual religion, therefore I am allowed to practice spiritual enlightenment and at the same time score spiritual salvation... awesome!

Now for physical salvation I need to go and get Jodie...

[ZippyDSMlee]

oof, well I just like the idea of enlightenment and heaven-y-ness thats all, I have always been a Christian, but I recently discovered that, to the church, Buddhism is a way of life, not an actual religion, therefore I am allowed to practice spiritual enlightenment and at the same time score spiritual salvation... awesome!

Now for physical salvation I need to go and get Jodie...

Enlightenment only comes to the enlighten ^_~

Its like getting in the good book, you aint never going to get their unless you are already in it, its not so much about futility IMO but trying to be better than you are/were.

Enlightenment is a interesting theory.. dose one find it by living life over and over or are we trying to return to what we once were by trail and error mmmmmmmm

oh what delicious quandary this is...yyeeessss....




mental note.....destroy the megaton voice in head before it tries and take over the universe >>

[Pominator]

lol I have been plotting to take over the universe for a very long time, my idea of enlightenment is the acceptance of universal truths, life, death, in between the two and girls, each and every one are paramount in attaining absolute peace of mind in a figurative sense, allowing you to think freely, giving you space to make decisions in impossible situations, when you can think something through calmly whilst in a crazy situation you would generally be able to get to the best possible outcome.

Salvation on the other hand is just us proving to God that we aren't all Jackholes and people like Lyndon Larouche aren't representative of the entire human race, therefore we should stay in God's good books.

By the way I think that life needs save points.

[ZippyDSMlee]

lol I have been plotting to take over the universe for a very long time, my idea of enlightenment is the acceptance of universal truths, life, death, in between the two and girls, each and every one are paramount in attaining absolute peace of mind in a figurative sense, allowing you to think freely, giving you space to make decisions in impossible situations, when you can think something through calmly whilst in a crazy situation you would generally be able to get to the best possible outcome.

Salvation on the other hand is just us proving to God that we aren't all Jackholes and people like Lyndon Larouche aren't representative of the entire human race, therefore we should stay in God's good books.

By the way I think that life needs save points.

Don't say that you'll make the voices in my head jealous..they wanted the universe first :P

Humanity will never be chosen by god however there is a difference in chosen, abandoned and "ignored", we not chosen nor abandoned, ignored prehaps since we are such spoiled things.

BTW humanity is "saved" be default, Jesus 1.0 format I think ^_~ , watch for 2.0 tho...thats when things are reset 0-o

Don't you love it when you can't tell if the next version is a upgrade or downgrade from the last? ;)

[Pominator]

yeah, like the possibility of Mitt Romney or Hillary Clinton becoming President of the USA... that would most likely be a downgrade

Obama FTW!

[Pominator]

By the way how is Obama doing in america? my freeview box is hacking up so I can't check

[Tollwutig]

By the way how is Obama doing in america? my freeview box is hacking up so I can't check

He's still considered a 2nd to Hillary and is on Auto-lose to her in the Michigan Primary since he isn't "participating" over them having their primary too early. Only Hillary is on the ballot of the major democratic contenders, so the voters there don't even get him as a choice.

Next up is Nevada for the Democrats followed by South Carolina. Hillary is pretty much despised in the Carolinas, so Barack has a chance there.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

yeah, like the possibility of Mitt Romney or Hillary Clinton becoming President of the USA... that would most likely be a downgrade

Obama FTW!

If Romney becomes President, it's World War Three. And the Magic Underwear WILL NOT SAVE HIM.

[Pominator]

hmm *looks down* Done me fine so far, no yellow spots to speak of!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

hmm *looks down* Done me fine so far, no yellow spots to speak of!

I.. Don't want to know..

[Kincyr]

http://www.pickyourpresident.org/

Obama's rounding up the donkeys so far (in every state so far) and Ron Paul's got the elephants (in every state so far except Winsconsin where he's second to Huckabee)

Sorry to derail a little but it is Obama-related news so I posted it here

[Twin-Skies]

If Romney becomes President, it's World War Three. And the Magic Underwear WILL NOT SAVE HIM.

Suddenly, I remember the good old days when you can rely on the Praetorian Guard to kill the ruler if they proved to be incompetent or just plain crazy.

*Sigh*, those were simpler times.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Suddenly, I remember the good old days when you can rely on the Praetorian Guard to kill the ruler if they proved to be incompetent or just plain crazy.

*Sigh*, those were simpler times.

I wonder, do you think we could do another October 1917?

[Pominator]

hmm, lets get larouche to be president just so we CAN hire the praetorian guards to kill him... then again he will be expecting that, he will have his guards watching them, then more guards watching the guards who are watching the guards and then guards watching the guards watching the guards watching the guards etc etc etc

[ZippyDSMlee]

Suddenly, I remember the good old days when you can rely on the Praetorian Guard to kill the ruler if they proved to be incompetent or just plain crazy.

*Sigh*, those were simpler times.

but but we have the electoral commission to save us now adays!...oh wait.....

[Pominator]

Can't we just have good old fashioned anarchy?

The type where different political groups are not taken into consideration and the rights and wants of the man depend on his wilfulness to go out and get them?

Where idiot's like Kevin Mc Collough, Jack Thompson and Lyndon Larouche are imprisoned/executed through popular demand?

Where uneducated parents who call out for the banning of a game that they got for their child are communally slapped with a wet fish?

ROLL ON THE ANARCHIST STATE!

Oh wait, that's Liverpool...

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Can't we just have good old fashioned anarchy?

The type where different political groups are not taken into consideration and the rights and wants of the man depend on his wilfulness to go out and get them?

Where idiot's like Kevin Mc Collough, Jack Thompson and Lyndon Larouche are imprisoned/executed through popular demand?

Where uneducated parents who call out for the banning of a game that they got for their child are communally slapped with a wet fish?

ROLL ON THE ANARCHIST STATE!

Oh wait, that's Liverpool...

You cannot have Extreme-Leftist Governments in the US. It's the law.

[ZippyDSMlee]

You cannot have Extreme-Leftist Governments in the US. It's the law.

meh only because the right wing nazis would disband from the nation and start another revolution, altho it would be nice to see the bible,guns and ammo sect to been for the crazies they are.....at least the Leftists would not be able to maintain power long..the silly elites don't ave the attention span to run goverment for long ^^

[Pominator]

Why do idiots get control anyway?

It is like the worlds biggest retards (no offence) are rounded up and selected by how negative their IQ actually is

[BlackIce, British Commie]

meh only because the right wing nazis would disband from the nation and start another revolution, altho it would be nice to see the bible,guns and ammo sect to been for the crazies they are.....at least the Leftists would not be able to maintain power long..the silly elites don't ave the attention span to run goverment for long ^^

Zippy, how the **** are left-wingers Elitist?

[Hannah]

Zippy, how the **** are left-wingers Elitist?

A lot of people who claim to be left-wing are very elitist. Holier-than-thou is another term that I would use.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Zippy, how the **** are left-wingers Elitist?

Being elite yourself you must understand it, I mean come on you sir are no fool and the same can be said for the wannabes that think they know how to work in goverment when they have lived a life of luxury compared to normal people, if you have not noticed a lot of the leftists in US politics are multi millionaire elites that work for the fcking corperatiosn they are suppose to restrain....

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Being elite yourself you must understand it, I mean come on you sir are no fool and the same can be said for the wannabes that think they know how to work in goverment when they have lived a life of luxury compared to normal people, if you have not noticed a lot of the leftists in US politics are multi millionaire elites that work for the fcking corperatiosn they are suppose to restrain....

Me.. Elitist? Please, define your version of Elitist. I don't think we're working on the same basis.

[Pominator]

My definition of an elitist:

A self important MAC user/PS3 user, I am pretty sure you fall into the PS3 user category blackice, however you aren't so damn self important, so you aren't an elitist

I just hate people who won't shut up about how good their console/computer is when they won't even bother to try out the others, I have played pretty much every console short of the atari, and used almost every PC type upwards of the ZX... so I can claim PC awesomeness with absolute proof!

back on subject: when will BO win again?

and doesn't he look like an older Lewis Hamilton?

[KN]

I enjoy the fact that the media never reports that although Hillary won, it only lands her about 2 more delegates than Obama gets.

I enjoy this because it's fun watching people be surprised when they tally it up.


Also, why is Edwards still in this race? Does he not realize at this point that everyone who votes for him would vote for Obama? Shouldn't he do the right thing and drop out, considering he hates Hillary?

[ConstantNeophyte]

...Also, why is Edwards still in this race? Does he not realize at this point that everyone who votes for him would vote for Obama? Shouldn't he do the right thing and drop out, considering he hates Hillary?

Or better yet, steal Hillary's voters!

[Pominator]

can I just ask a question?

why not just remove hillary?

problem solved!

[KN]

can I just ask a question?

why not just remove hillary?

problem solved!

That's a good que
http://www.michnews.com/artman/uploads/scary_hillary_clinton.jpg

[ZippyDSMlee]

My definition of an elitist:

A self important MAC user/PS3 user, I am pretty sure you fall into the PS3 user category blackice, however you aren't so damn self important, so you aren't an elitist

I just hate people who won't shut up about how good their console/computer is when they won't even bother to try out the others, I have played pretty much every console short of the atari, and used almost every PC type upwards of the ZX... so I can claim PC awesomeness with absolute proof!

back on subject: when will BO win again?

and doesn't he look like an older Lewis Hamilton?

MMM I must get mouthy and self important mixed up :P

[Pominator]

ooof, aren't we talking about Barrack Obama here?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I've got one question: Who won South Carolina? I can't dig it out of the News anywhere..

[Pominator]

Obama!

and he did it with style!

BBC news 2 AM today, I stayed up just to watch his victory speech!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Obama!

and he did it with style!

BBC news 2 AM today, I stayed up just to watch his victory speech!

I was examining the insides of my Eyelids at 2 in the morning.

[Pominator]

really? what were they like?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

really? what were they like?

Dark. 10char..

[Pominator]

okay...

well Obama was awesome! he needs to be president!

[Hannah]

okay...

well Obama was awesome! he needs to be president!

He's not as scary as Hilary, but I still don't like him -_-

[Pominator]

I still reckon he looks like a 50 year old lewis hamilton

[BlackIce, British Commie]

He's not as scary as Hilary, but I still don't like him -_-

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a Ron Paul supporter.

[Hannah]

Ladies and Gentlemen, we have a Ron Paul supporter.

I don't like him either!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I don't like him either!

That's.. very suprising.

[Hannah]

That's.. very suprising.

Any man who has megathreads devoted to him on Stormfront kinda scares me.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Jesus Christ, I've got it! Mitt Romney.

[Hannah]

Jesus Christ, I've got it! Mitt Romney.

I don't like any of the options, ok? ;) I'm just glad I'm not American so I don't have to vote for any of them...

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I don't like any of the options, ok? ;) I'm just glad I'm not American so I don't have to vote for any of them...

Since when do Americans have to vote?

[Hannah]

Since when do Americans have to vote?

Details, details.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Details, details.

I win :D 10char..

[Pominator]

so what happens now?

which state do they have to battle it out in next?

I say it should be Detroit or something

[KN]

I don't like any presidential candidate who does not support military action against several states in the country he leads.

But Obama is the only one who seems to be good at at least ACTING like a human being.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

I don't like any presidential candidate who does not support military action against several states in the country he leads.

But Obama is the only one who seems to be good at at least ACTING like a human being.

Utah and Florida please.

[Pominator]

California... now that would be awesome! Don't you think? I mean it has SF, LA and all the west coast vibes which would make Obama's job seem a lot cooler

[BlackIce, British Commie]

California... now that would be awesome! Don't you think? I mean it has SF, LA and all the west coast vibes which would make Obama's job seem a lot cooler

You want to destroy California?

[beemoh]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7213584.stm

Some years before Barack Obama began his run for the White House he found himself on a pub crawl in England helping give a traditional British send-off to a nervous bridegroom.

He is the man who could be the first black president of the United States. But for Ian Manners, Barack Obama is the guy who turned up for his stag night.

Ian was marrying Mr Obama's step-sister, whose mother Kezia Obama, was the first wife of the senator's Kenyan-born father.

[ZippyDSMlee]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7213584.stm

ZOMG hes a living person not a proper philandering politicaion!

[beemoh]

ZOMG hes a living person not a proper philandering politicaion!

I know! Scary, isn't it?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7213584.stm

pre-wedding humiliation of the bridegroom

Ah ****, I forgot about that bit..

[beemoh]

Ah ****, I forgot about that bit..

Don't forget: all your friends know you frequent this forum, and will be sending me- and all the mods- the pics.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Don't forget: all your friends know you frequent this forum, and will be sending me- and all the mods- the pics.

Now what kind of mate does that? *Thinks Back* OH SHI*!

[Pominator]

something I missed?

[BlackIce, British Commie]

something I missed?

Maybe? I don't know..

[Pominator]

oh well

super tuesday coming up fast!

and the winner is...

MIIIIIIITTTT ROMNEEEEEEEYY!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

and the winner is...

MIIIIIIITTTT ROMNEEEEEEEYY!

In a related story, Mercenary Groups across the world have begun arming in preperation for "the storm after the calm".

[Pominator]

ahh, time to dust off my pushblade then...

I love that thing, well I will until I can get a proper cold steel pushblade and sword cane...

[ezacharyk]

Obama seems to be giving Hillary a run for her money. He cleaned up in all fivestates who held primaries over the weekend. He now leads in state count and is 28 delegates behind.

If this keeps up he will rule the Democratic nomination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23108613/

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Obama seems to be giving Hillary a run for her money. He cleaned up in all fivestates who held primaries over the weekend. He now leads in state count and is 28 delegates behind.

If this keeps up he will rule the Democratic nomination.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23108613/

EPIC!!

All that needs saying..

[ZippyDSMlee]

EPIC!!

All that needs saying..

this is true.

[ezacharyk]

Obama is now ahead in state counts and delegates. He won Maryland, Virginia, and DC. He is now ahead by 25 delegates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp;_ylt=AmxPzcu.2_PbmiY8AV2qf9Ks0NUE

[KN]

B-Rock comin' for you

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Obama is now ahead in state counts and delegates. He won Maryland, Virginia, and DC. He is now ahead by 25 delegates.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080213/ap_on_el_pr/campaign_rdp;_ylt=AmxPzcu.2_PbmiY8AV2qf9Ks0NUE

Out of context, this makes less sense than i'd like, but.. Stand Up For Rock And Rooooll!!

[ZippyDSMlee]

Out of context, this makes less sense than i'd like, but.. Stand Up For BRock And Rooooll!!

Fixed for greater truth.

On a side note its either him or Ron Paul if hillery wins I'll waste my vote on the vote spoiler.

Altho if Bloomberg gets in...I'll go with him over the spoiler the neo con and the corrupt politician...

I guess >>

[Pominator]

Is there some kind of way of protesting the permission of a presidential candidate to be allowed into the white house on legal grounds?

because I am sure with a little more research that Hillary could be discovered to be a little worse than the female talking head that she is!

She seems a bit too gimmicky for me, I mean she is going out there with lots of fancy words, but really just selling us on the idea that she could be the first female President of the US of A, however Barrack doesn't need to worry about this, as there has already been 3 black presidents to my knowledge:

Bill Clinton
Dave Palmer
His brother

[ZippyDSMlee]

Is there some kind of way of protesting the permission of a presidential candidate to be allowed into the white house on legal grounds?

because I am sure with a little more research that Hillary could be discovered to be a little worse than the female talking head that she is!

She seems a bit too gimmicky for me, I mean she is going out there with lots of fancy words, but really just selling us on the idea that she could be the first female President of the US of A, however Barrack doesn't need to worry about this, as there has already been 3 black presidents to my knowledge:

Bill Clinton
Dave Palmer
His brother
Heil Hiltery !


IMO shes the greater of evils 2nd only to a bobble head republican yes man (Mccain) "Hukkabe" is looking better than thos 2 and he pisses me off....

[Pominator]

TBH I could only actually believe the stuff that Obama said in his speeches, the rest of it kind of got old fast, the stuff Obama says kind of sticks in your head, to the point of where you actually start wondering "am I actually believing what a POLITICIAN is saying?!"

so yeah Obama FTW

[ZippyDSMlee]

TBH I could only actually believe the stuff that Obama said in his speeches, the rest of it kind of got old fast, the stuff Obama says kind of sticks in your head, to the point of where you actually start wondering "am I actually believing what a POLITICIAN is saying?!"

so yeah Obama FTW

Obama is the best orator of the lot no doubt he is good about talking about change but providing lil substance, I still like ron paul the best as far as "fixing the country" goes but Obama is a good 2nd choice,lesser of evil and most viable of the lot.

[Pominator]

not to mention the coolest...

[JustChris]

Many of critics consider Obama to be just a "flash in the pan" but I consider that a compliment.

[JustChris]

Many of critics consider Obama to be just a "flash in the pan" but after 8 years of Bush who can think he will be any worse? As far as saying his speeches lack substance and doesn't say how he will bring about change, they are called rally speeches for a reason. It's not like he's supposed to be debating invisible people or saying the State of the Union.

Bring him on, I'm don't want this country to turn into a near-nepotism of Bushes and Clintons.

[Pominator]

yeah, I mean, I doubt we will see Bob Thatcher or Cherie Blair in number 10!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

yeah, I mean, I doubt we will see Bob Thatcher or Cherie Blair in number 10!

Thank Christ..

[Pominator]

heh, then Lyndon Larouche WOULD have something to worry about...

back on topic!

Barrack is doing better than ever last I heard!

[ezacharyk]

Barack has won both Wisconsin and Hawaii.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/campaign_rdp;_ylt=AjQDrrV9BnGQ9zXCueXr90Ws0NUE

I would also like to add that Clinton os becoming more desperate in here fight with him. She keeps bringing up little things.

One instance is that he used the words of another politician without citing them. That guy came in and said he asked Obama to say them.

Another is that he said he would use public funding to support part of his Presidential campaign and now he decided not to.

Both minor issues not worth what she claims.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

Barack has won both Wisconsin and Hawaii.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/campaign_rdp;_ylt=AjQDrrV9BnGQ9zXCueXr90Ws0NUE

I would also like to add that Clinton os becoming more desperate in here fight with him. She keeps bringing up little things.

One instance is that he used the words of another politician without citing them. That guy came in and said he asked Obama to say them.

Another is that he said he would use public funding to support part of his Presidential campaign and now he decided not to.

Both minor issues not worth what she claims.

Obama might get Ohio but he won't get Texas.

[Pominator]

we don't like yur type round here!

/Texasism

why not?

[ezacharyk]

we don't like yur type round here!

/Texasism

why not?

He may be stimming from the long history that Texas has had with racism. It is not as big of a problem now as it was in the past, but it is still there.

I don't think that would matter really.

[BlackIce, British Commie]

He may be stimming from the long history that Texas has had with racism. It is not as big of a problem now as it was in the past, but it is still there.

I don't think that would matter really.

£5 says it still does.

[KN]

You underestimate Texas. Sure, you see the rednecks and minutemen, but remember that they inhabit portions of the state with low population density. The cities of Dallas and Houston outnumber all of them, and well, have you ever met anyone from there?

[ZippyDSMlee]

You underestimate Texas. Sure, you see the rednecks and minutemen, but remember that they inhabit portions of the state with low population density. The cities of Dallas and Houston outnumber all of them, and well, have you ever met anyone from there?

Whats wrong with the minutemen? The government is doing nothing to patrol the borders, hell they are wasting their time they need to go back from whence they came reinforce their malitas and take over the government!
Revolution will get the job done a lot more faster!

[BlackIce, British Commie]

You underestimate Texas. Sure, you see the rednecks and minutemen, but remember that they inhabit portions of the state with low population density. The cities of Dallas and Houston outnumber all of them, and well, have you ever met anyone from there?

Teh Mommy?

[KN]

Whats wrong with the minutemen? The government is doing nothing to patrol the borders, hell they are wasting their time they need to go back from whence they came reinforce their malitas and take over the government!
Revolution will get the job done a lot more faster!

Us eurofags cannot understand the need to secure or protect a border. We'd view official government patrols as silly, so imagine what we think of the minutemen.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Us eurofags cannot understand the need to secure or protect a border. We'd view official government patrols as silly, so imagine what we think of the minutemen.

thus why you pay higher taxes....

[Twin-Skies]

thus why you pay higher taxes....

...Autobahn repair bills and weed?

[Pominator]

and constant crackdown on the illegal immigrants who just walk across the border...

[mopman411]

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.

When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.'

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical.

Ob ama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's
education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Do you want someone like this as your PRESIDENT?

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!

[ZippyDSMlee]

Who is Barack Obama?

Probable U. S. presidential candidate, Barack Hussein Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Barack Hussein Obama, Sr., a black MUSLIM from Nyangoma-Kogel, Kenya and Ann Dunham, a white ATHEIST from Wichita , Kansas.

Obama's parents met at the University of Hawaii.

When Obama was two years old, his parents divorced. His father returned to Kenya. His mother then married Lolo Soetoro, a RADICAL Muslim from Indonesia.

When Obama was 6 years old, the family relocated to Indonesia. Obama attended a MUSLIM school in Jakarta. He also spent two years in a Catholic school.

Obama takes great care to conceal the fact that he is a Muslim. He is quick to point out that, 'He was once a Muslim, but that he also attended Catholic school.'

Obama's political handlers are attempting to make it appear that that he is not a radical.

Ob ama's introduction to Islam came via his father, and that this influence was temporary at best. In reality, the senior Obama returned to Kenya soon after the divorce, and never again had any direct influence over his son's
education.

Lolo Soetoro, the second husband of Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, introduced his stepson to Islam. Obama was enrolled in a Wahabi school in Jakarta.

Wahabism is the RADICAL teaching that is followed by the Muslim terrorists who are now waging Jihad against the western world. Since it is politically expedient to be a CHRISTIAN when seeking major public office in the United States, Barack Hussein Obama has joined the United Church of Christ in an attempt to downplay his Muslim background. ALSO, keep in mind that when he was sworn into office he DID NOT use the Holy Bible, but instead the Koran.

Barack Hussein Obama will NOT recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor will he show any reverence for our flag. While others place their hands over their hearts, Obama turns his back to the flag and slouches. Do you want someone like this as your PRESIDENT?

Let us all remain alert concerning Obama's expected presidential candidacy.

The Muslims have said they plan on destroying the US from the inside out, what better way to start than at the highest level - through the President of the United States, one of their own!

faux news much?

[mopman411]

faux news much?

Nope, don't even have TV service where I live. So no watchy watchy brain musher. Talk radio and finding, things on the internet.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Nope, don't even have TV service where I live. So no watchy watchy brain musher. Talk radio and finding, things on the internet.

Well the talky mushy heads are part of fuax news...in spirit at least. :rolleyes:

[mopman411]

Well the talky mushy heads are part of fuax news...in spirit at least. :rolleyes:


No, I don't believe so. We don't have the power to influence peoples thoughts and beliefs. Media does. They see these people on TV every day and feel a connection with them. The believe what they are told. We are no fuax. To say such as thing lowers us to their level. Zippy, no cookie for you. People should educate themselves on what/who is gonna run the US. Its far more reaching then jsut our country, this affect the world. Should we be taken down, don't you think it'll send shock waves thru the world, who would be next. Questions are important and they aren't being asked.

[ezacharyk]

Nope, don't even have TV service where I live. So no watchy watchy brain musher. Talk radio and finding, things on the internet.

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

That's all that needs to be said.

[ZippyDSMlee]

No, I don't believe so. We don't have the power to influence peoples thoughts and beliefs. Media does. They see these people on TV every day and feel a connection with them. The believe what they are told. We are no fuax. To say such as thing lowers us to their level. Zippy, no cookie for you. People should educate themselves on what/who is gonna run the US. Its far more reaching then jsut our country, this affect the world. Should we be taken down, don't you think it'll send shock waves thru the world, who would be next. Questions are important and they aren't being asked.

Sorry the talky heads (rush and co) are all about maintaining their niche,they unlike the "normal media" are much more vile and opinionated when it comes to truth, they always have to inflame their base to stay in business but regardless of it being a normal business practice the and faux news dose what it takes for ratings.

Now if you are talking about local radio..well...it rules :P, syndicated drools and faux licks up whats left..while main media chases the same story for a week forget all other news.


If you can't tell I'm not a fan of talky heads in general I liked brillro until about 5 years ago when he stopped making sense, my painets is wearing with glen beck he's making less sense lil by lil, I love Lou dobbs he shoots it down the middle letting neither side make up excuses about their stupidity, if Lou was a bit more rough he be a young brillo :X

also when Pen and teller when they do politics they flogg a good number of people so I like them too ^^.

of coarse why you want to hear zippy mentally drool over a fundie spam course I duno.. :rolleyes:

[mopman411]

Sorry the talky heads (rush and co) are all about maintaining their niche,they unlike the "normal media" are much more vile and opinio