CSI: Miami's depiction of Gamers

[John]

Ok, so, last night I was watching CSI: Miami on A&E. It was a Season 4 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_CSI:_Miami_episodes#Season_4:_.282005-2006.29) episode called Urban Hellraisers. Here's the descripton:

Delko is at the bank, following an ATM taking his debit card, when three robbers wearing ski masks rush in. Delko knows he can’t win against the three robbers but when one of them tries to rape a girl it ends in a shootout. The security tape leads them to University of Miami and to the robbers next target and Horatio manages to arrest one of them. The trail leads to a videogame named Urban Hellraisers and when Ryan starts playing it, it seems there are a lot of similarities between the game and the actual crimes. It’s up to the team to catch the robbers before they commit a crime much more serious than the last one.

Granted, that description is pretty tame, but the episode played out as if He Who Shall Not Be Named had written it. A Game Developer pays a bunch of college kids to recreated the scenes in his GTA-ripoff game. And of course the college kids go around robbing banks and invading crime labs. The best part was where one of these punks was holding a lab tech at gun point and started yelling '5000 points!'.

Another awesome part about it was when the CSIs were interviewing a suspect who was uninvolved with the crimes, and was saying 'I'm not one of those gamers' or 'They won't even look at you if your not a gamer', as if being a gamer makes you guilty by association.

They even had a dead kid who died from playing games for over 70 hours, much like that kid fron South Korea who kicked the can from playing too long. They had the energy drinks and piss-filled bottles to boot.

Though, at least they were open-minded on one part. The worst college kids, the one with the most points because of killing more people, was female.

Don't you love the depiction of gamers in the media?

And I didn't know where else to post this. We used to have a Games & The Media forum, but that seems to have gone a-wall.

[KN]

I want something like this to air over here so I can clear queues in stores just by yelling "I PLAY VIDEO GAMES. I COULD SNAP AT ANY MOMENT!".

[beemoh]

I think this episode or a very similar one- has been reported on. Probably during the LJ years.

[V-22 Osprey]

Weren't the game devs also giving the gamers firearms? Or was that the anti-game episode from the short-lived series "Killer Instinct"?

[ZippyDSMlee]

So? dosent mean all gamers are clueless and wiling to go out and shoot people because they are bored like not all D&D players are satanists or all recreational drug users criminals..point is CSI focus on criminals the sub culture they find them is window dressing.

[kurisu7885]

So? dosent mean all gamers are clueless and wiling to go out and shoot people because they are bored like not all D&D players are satanists or all recreational drug users criminals..point is CSI focus on criminals the sub culture they find them is window dressing.

Problem is alot of people, and I mean ALOT, are willing to take this **** as what is real, like deciding the CSI work as being what it really is. Hell, alot of people base their assumptions on furries off that one CSI episode.

[ZippyDSMlee]

kurisu7885
they have also "picked on" priests, cops and CEOs.
My point is criminals are everywhere and so are story's about them.

BTW there was a Skater>gamer Miami CSI ep.

[Cecil475]

Problem is alot of people, and I mean ALOT, are willing to take this **** as what is real, like deciding the CSI work as being what it really is. Hell, alot of people base their assumptions on furries off that one CSI episode.

What about this episode? People assume what about furries. I didn't know they assumed anything. Time to hit wikipedia.

- Warren Lewis

[KN]

Most people I know thought furries were something they just made up for that episode.

[Cecil475]

Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Episode info
Fur and Loathing Jerry Stahl Richard J. Lewis October 30, 2003 74 (4-05)
Grissom and Catherine investigate when a man dressed in a raccoon suit is shot and then hit by a passing car, causing the car to hit a truck, killing the driver. This leads them to a convention for furries. Meanwhile Nick and Sara investigate the death of a man found in a freezer.

(Oh god I ate too much...)

- Warren Lewis

Edit:Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_and_Loathing_%28CSI_episode%29

[ZippyDSMlee]

What about this episode? People assume what about furries. I didn't know they assumed anything. Time to hit wikipedia.

- Warren Lewis

Normal CSI somewhere in the first couple of seasons,CSI goes to a "Fur" Convention no worse than the midget Convention altho the midgets didn't have a sex party at a private club but still I have seen far worse on the net.
I mean really you can mix and match this with any sub culture/culture well all but gamers...gamers don't get laid :P

[ZippyDSMlee]

Doesn't surprise me a bit.

Episode info


(Oh god I ate too much...)

- Warren Lewis

Edit:Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fur_and_Loathing_%28CSI_episode%29

I liked Grissom 's annalisys ,and the suit guy got kicked out of the car half way to the city pissed the driver/girlfriend off to much was puking on the ground and got shot but a rancher at long distance he thought it was a wolf/coyote,lets not forget the gay in the costume playing a female fox thingy....funny as hell.

Dont be like me, assume first and think later :P

[steelcobra]

Am I the only one here who remembers that early-season episode of ER where a riot broke out at a fur-con?

[John]

Problem is alot of people, and I mean ALOT, are willing to take this **** as what is real, like deciding the CSI work as being what it really is. Hell, alot of people base their assumptions on furries off that one CSI episode.

True, but CSI: Las Vegas generally cover the grey areas of their subjects. Miami is all black and white.

[KN]

Am I the only one here who remembers that early-season episode of ER where a riot broke out at a fur-con?

Furry drama on tv? O_O

[steelcobra]

It had a good spectrum of furry culture, from the guy who just liked to put on a suit to the full-blown furfags. Plus one engages in a disturbing act with a puppet given to that senior doctor who was revealed as a lesbian later on by a lady who did a Lamb-Chop style show she loved when she was a kid.

[kurisu7885]

My point was that alot of people will take what's shown on a show like CSI and take it at face value, AKA that's how [insert subculture here] really is. Now I do know that CSI Vegas covered alot of gray, and it'd be a bigger problem in CSI Miami, but for alot of people who do watch this show I have heard some black and white thoughts from people who apparently have seen the show. A friend of mine made me a synthetic fox tail as a christmas present. Now, I wear it to the mall on occasion, and I get numerous filthy looks, I've overheard some nasty comments, and I had one idiot walk past me going "don't start an orgry i nthe mall." And in another case someone tried to rip it off saying "no furfags in the mall." Naturally, security saw this and escorted them out, so I hope the embarassment was worth it.

[Hank the Tank]

My point was that alot of people will take what's shown on a show like CSI and take it at face value, AKA that's how [insert subculture here] really is. Now I do know that CSI Vegas covered alot of gray, and it'd be a bigger problem in CSI Miami, but for alot of people who do watch this show I have heard some black and white thoughts from people who apparently have seen the show. A friend of mine made me a synthetic fox tail as a christmas present. Now, I wear it to the mall on occasion, and I get numerous filthy looks, I've overheard some nasty comments, and I had one idiot walk past me going "don't start an orgry i nthe mall." And in another case someone tried to rip it off saying "no furfags in the mall." Naturally, security saw this and escorted them out, so I hope the embarassment was worth it.

Well, you know you don't have to WEAR something that represents your sexual fetish in the MALL.

I mean, isn't that comparable to wearing T-shirt saying "I like to roleplay that I'm getting raped" or wearing a ***** on a necklace?

[Demontestament]

Well, you know you don't have to WEAR something that represents your sexual fetish in the MALL.

I mean, isn't that comparable to wearing T-shirt saying "I like to roleplay that I'm getting raped" or wearing a ***** on a necklace?

Sexual Fetish? It is a ****ing tail dude. It isn't like he was walking around in a fursuit looking to **** something. Do I like furry? Not really no but others do an as long as nobody tries to force it on me or anything like that I don't care. But you seem to be going off the belief that all Furrys are just looking to dress up like animals a screw like rabbitts(no pun intended)

[ZippyDSMlee]

its like queens roaming about in a full leathery outfit,keep it in the bedroom people,now dresses....not so bad but odd leather outfits....oy...not in the streets or the mall...
why oh why did they have to make jugernought faggy (tell me he dosent look like crap/gayboys wet dream in Xmen 3)



I am useng the insult to discirbe what they did with the character...its just that wrong....

if they turned a "normal" black character into a street thug I would call that jigger rigging...ok...thats bad....prehaps I am not best suited to use evil words as slights on character assaination.

tell me if it offends and I will reavauleate my vocab(not grammar) *yanws* god I cant mentally crawl out of bed today ><

[Thefremen]

Well, you know you don't have to WEAR something that represents your sexual fetish in the MALL.

I mean, isn't that comparable to wearing T-shirt saying "I like to roleplay that I'm getting raped" or wearing a ***** on a necklace?

I agree with this man. Naruto Headbands also beg for people to be teased. I wear my WoW pins in public but still expect to be rediculed.

Hell all I need to do in order to hear "gtfo" style comments is just be myself, I'm white and in Hawaii that is not ok with many people.

[Hank the Tank]

Sexual Fetish? It is a ****ing tail dude. It isn't like he was walking around in a fursuit looking to **** something. Do I like furry? Not really no but others do an as long as nobody tries to force it on me or anything like that I don't care. But you seem to be going off the belief that all Furrys are just looking to dress up like animals a screw like rabbitts(no pun intended)

Well what do YOU think of when you see a person with a tail?

The general concesus of the population is that having sex with animals is weird. Although most don't act on this belief, there are others who do and will.

Is it fair?
No.

Is it reality?
Yes.

Like thefremen said, it's just begging to be made fun of.

[Demontestament]

Well what do YOU think of when you see a person with a tail?

The general concesus of the population is that having sex with animals is weird. Although most don't act on this belief, there are others who do and will.

Is it fair?
No.

Is it reality?
Yes.

Like thefremen said, it's just begging to be made fun of.

Well if I saw them with a tail I would more than likely think Furry or Cosplayer if it is during the month of July, but that wouldn't make me think they are out to **** my dog. But there is a big different between a Furry and someone who screws your moms dog, yeah it might be repressed tendencies of Beastiality that make them do it but who knows. In every form of culture you have your weird perverts and I think that goes even for the Furry culture.

[KN]

Technically they are no more weird that people who like loli/shota, but at least those people don't drag around little dolls outside their basement. BDSM people don't wear their gimp suit outside the house, and nudists put on clothes when they exit the nudist camp.

Plus, they have a really really bad pursecution complex that just angers me, not out of sheer annoyance, but because it is so arrogant. I don't see people taking away your rights if you are a furry. Think about real persecuted people for once or GTFO.

[Thefremen]

Technically they are no more weird that people who like loli/shota, but at least those people don't drag around little dolls outside their basement. BDSM people don't wear their gimp suit outside the house, and nudists put on clothes when they exit the nudist camp.

Plus, they have a really really bad pursecution complex that just angers me, not out of sheer annoyance, but because it is so arrogant. I don't see people taking away your rights if you are a furry. Think about real persecuted people for once or GTFO.

Exactly, I can bitch about ignorant teens and ignorant ancient people hassling me for being white but it's rediculous for me to complain about being razzed for being a WoW player.

[Anjin-San]

Why even acknowledge something so stupid? These guys cannot write. It's not like the good CSI.

Oh...but I'm just rambling

*Cough* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948

[kurisu7885]

Wow, didn't expect to spark such debate, or is this just an argument?

And personally, I do go to the mall wearing a Naruto headband and a tail, and if someone teases me, they either don't get a response or just a tweet from Mr Birdy, and I move on. And this persecution, or "fursecution" complex annoys me as much as it likely does any of you. Honestly, if I could ban the use of that word permanently I would.

And not EVERY fetish is sexual.

[Hank the Tank]

Wow, didn't expect to spark such debate, or is this just an argument?

And personally, I do go to the mall wearing a Naruto headband and a tail, and if someone teases me, they either don't get a response or just a tweet from Mr Birdy, and I move on. And this persecution, or "fursecution" complex annoys me as much as it likely does any of you. Honestly, if I could ban the use of that word permanently I would.

And not EVERY fetish is sexual.


First off, I think that a debate and an argument are the same thing.

Second off, I thank you for not having a "furesecution complex."

Third off:
Noun
fetish

1. something nonsexual, such as an object or a part of the body (often feet) which arouses sexual desire or is necessary for one to reach full sexual
satisfaction

2. something which is believed to possess, contain, or cause spiritual or magical powers; an amulet or a talisman

3. an irrational, or abnormal, fixation or preoccupation

... Is it # 3 then?

[kurisu7885]

First off, I think that a debate and an argument are the same thing.

Second off, I thank you for not having a "furesecution complex."

Third off:
Noun
fetish

1. something nonsexual, such as an object or a part of the body (often feet) which arouses sexual desire or is necessary for one to reach full sexual
satisfaction

2. something which is believed to possess, contain, or cause spiritual or magical powers; an amulet or a talisman

3. an irrational, or abnormal, fixation or preoccupation

... Is it # 3 then?

On the first, yes, agreed.

On the second, You're very welcome. I've seen some furries make emos look well adjusted, and I vow to never be like them.

On the third, frankly, I have no idea. For some it's one ,for most others it's likely a mix of 1 and mild to uncomfortable amounts of 3.

[Grahamr]

I don't mind this. It keeps the whole idea that videogames kill people where it should be.

In a bad horror episode.:D

[Jabrwock]

Anyone who looks down on furries clearly has never seen a hawt person in a cat suit.

Mrrrrreeoow! :D

Of course, like any fetish, being obsessed can get a little, um, wierd. But the initial concept behind it (dressing up for RP/kinky fun) is no stranger than asking your wife to dress up as a french maid/nurse, or your husband to dress up... um... in a tux? (I've found that's quite popular with the ladies...)

Ahem, anyway, back to the CSI episode, they tried to focus on the kids being brainwashed, like it was controlling them, and neglecting to address the fact that the kids may have been just f'ed up to begin with.

I find CSI: Vegas does a better job of examining the motivations behind the crime, whereas Miami is more just "you're guilty, and I'll keep taking my sunglasses off and lecturing you until you confess damnit..." Just once I wish when Horatio flings open a door and does his little pose, that someone would shoot him...

[John]

I find CSI: Vegas does a better job of examining the motivations behind the crime, whereas Miami is more just "you're guilty, and I'll keep taking my sunglasses off and lecturing you until you confess damnit..." Just once I wish when Horatio flings open a door and does his little pose, that someone would shoot him...

...

*tears up over latest episode where castmate got shot and killed off the show...*

I dunno. I kinda like Horatio, moreso then Grissom. He's kinda cool and slick. But I agree, the mindset on Miami is really black and white, which is why I prefer Vegas over it.

[Jabrwock]

I dunno. I kinda like Horatio, moreso then Grissom. He's kinda cool and slick.I find him aloof and arrogant myself. Like he knows you're guilty, even before the evidence says either way, and he's just strutting around until the evidence proves him right, all the while berating you for protesting your innocence. It irks me too that he never changes his demeanor when it's shown that he's flat wrong about someone. It's like he's too high and mighty to let that stop him... He's so damn predictable too, like his pose in doorways, his "taking off the sunglasses" move, and his complete inability to follow the evidence, but instead dictate what the evidence will later show...

Then again, I like House, and he's practically the same... :confused:

Maybe I just hate David Caruso...

[Thefremen]

Anyone who looks down on furries clearly has never seen a hawt person in a cat suit.

Mrrrrreeoow! :D

Of course, like any fetish, being obsessed can get a little, um, wierd. But the initial concept behind it (dressing up for RP/kinky fun) is no stranger than asking your wife to dress up as a french maid/nurse, or your husband to dress up... um... in a tux? (I've found that's quite popular with the ladies...)

Ahem, anyway, back to the CSI episode, they tried to focus on the kids being brainwashed, like it was controlling them, and neglecting to address the fact that the kids may have been just f'ed up to begin with.

I find CSI: Vegas does a better job of examining the motivations behind the crime, whereas Miami is more just "you're guilty, and I'll keep taking my sunglasses off and lecturing you until you confess damnit..." Just once I wish when Horatio flings open a door and does his little pose, that someone would shoot him...

Catgirls/catboys are NOT furries.

[kurisu7885]

Catgirls/catboys are NOT furries.

Actually ,that depends entirely upon who you ask. Allot of people count Felicia from Darkstalker (*drool*) as a furry ,but she is technically a catgirl, or the vierra from FF12. Some will count it, some won't.

[Jabrwock]

Catgirls/catboys are NOT furries.
What would be your definition of "furry" then?

I've seen it defined as "anthropomorphic animals", so from that I would include catgirl/catboy as "furry"...

Perhaps you mean "furry lifestyle", where they expand the "furry" to their entire life (thus expanding their fetish into an obsession)...

[Demontestament]

What would be your definition of "furry" then?

I've seen it defined as "anthropomorphic animals", so from that I would include catgirl/catboy as "furry"...

Perhaps you mean "furry lifestyle", where they expand the "furry" to their entire life (thus expanding their fetish into an obsession)...

Catgirl/Catboy not furries, they are a completely different fetish by themselves. Now the "Anthropomorphic Animals" basicall nails it, animals who are basically considered to be humanoid. Walking on two feet and doing other **** humans can do, along with speaking and what not and looking like a fox, dog, wolf, cat(not cat girl) and so forth, those are furries.

[Thefremen]

What demontestament said, also what annoys me about furries isn't the suits or the yiffing but "fursecution" and the insistance that every common ground internet community be accepting of their fetish.

[kurisu7885]

What demontestament said, also what annoys me about furries isn't the suits or the yiffing but "fursecution" and the insistance that every common ground internet community be accepting of their fetish.
Agreed. The one who cry that word are the truly annoying ones and the ones who make a bad name for the rest of the fandom.

[KN]

Catgirls/catboys are NOT furries.

This is truth.

[steelcobra]

Nuku Nuku is not a furry. While she may be an android with a cat's brain, she definitely doesn't fit in to furry culture.

[Picho]

Well for 'fetishes' you can look at the anime Speedgrapher. (It is not hentai)

Each of the characters has some sort of super power that revolves around what ever fetish the people have. For instance the main character has a weapon that is his Camera. What ever he takes a picture of blows up.

[Jabrwock]

Catgirl/Catboy not furries, they are a completely different fetish by themselves. Now the "Anthropomorphic Animals" basicall nails it, animals who are basically considered to be humanoid. Walking on two feet and doing other **** humans can do, along with speaking and what not and looking like a fox, dog, wolf, cat(not cat girl) and so forth, those are furries.That's not quite what I think anthropomorphic means.

Def: The ascribing of human traits to things not human.

For example, Roman gods were anthropomorphic, because even though they looked exactly human, they weren't. Death in Discworld is anthropomorphic. So is a phallic symbol. A human/cat hybrid would also be anthropomorphic, because even though they *look* human, they have some non-human features like the ears/tail/fur/claws/etc.

There is no term that I know of that describes *how* animal they are vs how human they are... So I'm going to argue that if furry = anthropomorphic animal, then catgirl/catboy = furry. Maybe not the level of furry as say, those in furry fandom, but furry nonetheless. ;)

[ZippyDSMlee]

That's not quite what I think anthropomorphic means.

Def: The ascribing of human traits to things not human.

For example, Roman gods were anthropomorphic, because even though they looked exactly human, they weren't. Death in Discworld is anthropomorphic. So is a phallic symbol. A human/cat hybrid would also be anthropomorphic, because even though they *look* human, they have some non-human features like the ears/tail/fur/claws/etc.

There is no term that I know of that describes *how* animal they are vs how human they are... So I'm going to argue that if furry = anthropomorphic animal, then catgirl/catboy = furry. Maybe not the level of furry as say, those in furry fandom, but furry nonetheless. ;)

I disagree with that from all that I have seen furrys tend to be anthropomorphic meaning to have animal like faces and features while catgirl's have a limit of 2 or 4 features like ears/tails/eyes sometimes fur or odd skin but rarely anything more than ears/tail/eyes,furrys have 4-8 features and revolve around the face being alot more animal the skin matching whatever animal its based off off tail and animal legs follow and such and so on.

You could say "Catgirls"(rarely its more a Japaneses lite furry since its more than just cats and girls) are in a category of their own because of the limited features,to me it revolves around the look.

[Jabrwock]

That's why I mentioned Roman gods who looked exactly like man but were gods... IE zero outwardly differences that were physiological.

But I do like the term "lite furry"... ;)

[Grahamr]

Since the topic seems to be catboys/girls now...

http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro08.jpg
http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro03.jpg
http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro12.jpg

Yes, in case you were wondering, Schro is part of a nazi organization. But he's just their messenger.

[KN]

Since the topic seems to be catboys/girls now...

http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro08.jpg
http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro03.jpg
http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro12.jpg

Yes, in case you were wondering, Schro is part of a nazi organization. But he's just their messenger.
........................
*lick*

[Thefremen]

Since the topic seems to be catboys/girls now...

http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro08.jpg
http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro03.jpg
http://www.bloodknight.net/Manga/Pictures/Schro12.jpg

Yes, in case you were wondering, Schro is part of a nazi organization. But he's just their messenger.

What manga is that from and where can I buy it?

[KN]

What manga is that from and where can I buy it?

More importantly: is there yaoi of this?

[steelcobra]

What manga is that from and where can I buy it?

Hellsing. That's the stuff that didn't exist yet when the TV series was made.
http://buyanimes.com/product_list_category.asp?cate=265

[Grahamr]

........................
*lick*

Yet more proof that EVERYONE is gay for Schrodinger :D


What manga is that from and where can I buy it?

Hellsing by Kouta Hirano. Either in retailers(lol, barnes and noble) or get it free from scanslation groups online.

More importantly: is there yaoi of this?

There have been several “Trial runs” at hellsing, many of which are hentai, but to date, there has not been a yaoi manga involving schro. Sorry, man :( .

However, check the fanbase...There might be a doujinshi out there.

Now, before we derail this thread into a hentai discussion, let's get back to the topic at hand....furries.

WHERE THE HELL IS TYRIKU!?!?!??! WHERE DID GP’S MASCOT FURRY GO?!