"Returned goods"

[ZippyDSMlee]

Publishers and Retailer's are not doing enough for the consumer instead of working with the consumer to limit returns to a reasonable amount they have continued the march on consumer rights by banning the sale of USED PC games in stores.

So WHO do we the consumer go to when we buy a 50$ game and it turns out to be sub par,who do we go to to get a return on our money?

The retails blame the the consumer for unlawful return while they get to push in unsold over stock NEW games, the publishers are raking in money never having to worry over product return over quality of product ,rarely they screw up and mis press or miss code a game but thats is not a excuse to not work with retailers to create a lawful return and complaint system.

Do you think You have the right to return a crappy game/movie/item and get a refund a % for restocking that could go to the creation of a return system would not be a bad idea either,I think retailers and publishers have gotten soft and are using poor excuses about bad consumers to be generally anti consumer.

Currently the only right you have with dvds/movies is a replacement copy from publisher/retailer.

Thoughts,comments please,and no retarded /b/ crap|Devs can do no wrong its not THEIR fault some games are bad |"you suck" BS.

[Silver_Derstin]

Well, what the companies fear is more the fact you'd buy a game, copy it then bring it back...

[kurisu7885]

Well, what the companies fear is more the fact you'd buy a game, copy it then bring it back...

Which is why they started trying copy protection on CDs and DVDs.

[Silver_Derstin]

Which is why they started trying copy protection on CDs and DVDs.

Any actually work?

[kurisu7885]

Any actually work?

Sony's was foiled by scribbling around the edge of the disc with an 89 cent felt tip marker. And more recently an HD DVD was ripped and now is a 16 gig torrent. That answer your question?

[Thefremen]

[H]ardocp forums, ebay, cheapassgamer forums, CAN YOU USE THEM?! I bought bf2 & the first expansion to it for $40 from someone on [H].

[Silver_Derstin]

[H]ardocp forums, ebay, cheapassgamer forums, CAN YOU USE THEM?! I bought bf2 & the first expansion to it for $40 from someone on [H].

The problem is: What Zippy is saying is that companies are no liable for making horribly bad products (read something like... oh... 50 Cents Bulletproof) because there is no way to bring them back due to store policies. So they just make money off terribly bad games without any checks and balance system.

[kurisu7885]

The problem is: What Zippy is saying is that companies are no liable for making horribly bad products (read something like... oh... 50 Cents Bulletproof) because there is no way to bring them back due to store policies. So they just make money off terribly bad games without any checks and balance system.

According to what I remember 25 to life was PC only, and it was notoriously bad, and thanks to the stink raised over it, it's likely that alot of people now have copies that they're stuck with, unless they got sold.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Silver_Derstin
or returning as many games becuse they are bad thats why a black listing system or a limit to it would be in place,to allow for some give and take.

Thefremen
So the consumer is blame for bad games!!!!


Silver_Derstin's
Exactly they can ignore poor sales of games because there is no indicator of how bad games effect sales thus they can ignore the whole bad game problem by forcing no returns. thus effectively cooking the books.


kurisu7885
this is why I feel used PC games have been removed from circulation to try and sale the new crap they cant sale they can kill more than 1 bird by removing the sued PC game its clears up acouple of bins thus they can put the glut of new unsold games their.

Its rather simple PC game rule if key is bad its not our fault and you can get a 50% refund over it and they can sale the game half price stating bad key or what not.


.BTW 25 to life is on PS2,Xbox,PC.

[Picho]

Yeah they just love making crap games.

Which is why i've slowed my game buying habbits to a near dead crawl. I only buy the games that actually lived up to the hype, or i know are going to be decent. (lets face it, most pc games are riddled with bugs...)

[kurisu7885]

Yeah they just love making crap games.

Which is why i've slowed my game buying habbits to a near dead crawl. I only buy the games that actually lived up to the hype, or i know are going to be decent. (lets face it, most pc games are riddled with bugs...)

I still enjoy alot of the ancient PC games i have. I got an old copy of Carmageddon 2 and the Doom collection, and modded them a bit.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yeah they just love making crap games.

Which is why i've slowed my game buying habbits to a near dead crawl. I only buy the games that actually lived up to the hype, or i know are going to be decent. (lets face it, most pc games are riddled with bugs...)

I have stopped buying NEW altogether if I like a game I will buy it at a premium from a first tear retailer sadly less and less and less games warrant such loyalty much less effort.

[Picho]

Aye, if the game is good, i sometimes buy the limited edition. I like gamer shirts. IF the game suck, i never play it again and become restrictive in my game purchasing.

Anime on the other hand, I always buy the limit when its available.

[Thefremen]

Hey guys guess what? I just played a DEMO of a game! It was so cool because it let me know EXACTLY what I was getting into without paying anything.

Seriously. I'm a cheapassgamer, I play demos and I don't buy something endorsed by 50 cent because I just know better already.

[Picho]

I play demos too...

Not many games are made into demos anymore unless you get those special magizines. And not all the time do they give you an accurate idea of how the game will play.

[kurisu7885]

I play demos too...

Not many games are made into demos anymore unless you get those special magizines. And not all the time do they give you an accurate idea of how the game will play.

And in some cases you get a time limit. That's the reason I hate the Postal 2 demo.

[Picho]

Yeah the new timed demo things are sucking.

Oh yeah! i get an hour to play this game, then after im hooked i lose it.

Cause it takes a few hours before you can really get an idea of how much the game really sucks.

[Thefremen]

PROTIP: "demos" is a codeword for warez.

[Brokenscope]

Read the opening of an EULA. You go to the publisher. Under law they have to give you a refund if you are not satified with the product. You can do it with the windows that comes on your dell.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Yeah the new timed demo things are sucking.

Oh yeah! i get an hour to play this game demo, then after im hooked i lose it.

Cause it takes a few hours before you can really get an idea of how much the game really sucks.

....WHAT?
it takes a few hours/days to lock down the 360 to download a game and then you get acouple hours before it times out?
WTF??
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Brokenscope
and where in the fine print dose it state that?

[Picho]

Zip, I no play 360 foo.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Zip, I no play 360 foo.

so the few games that at one time had time limits are now in fashion and sued more than they were 10 years ago??

[ZippyDSMlee]

the "copy of games" line is a sham,if this were the case Videos would have fallen years ago,what it is a undermining of consumer rights in order to not lose money on a bad game, the pubs and suits are protected from most loses because they push the cost onto retailers larger retailers push enough volume to stay afloat using the 1-3% MSRP mark up scheme thats in place by the industry if anything the game industry learned well from decades of modern retail.

we have a product thats deprecates in value quickly,force a no return rule and vague "item damaged" rule,force retailers to set low mark up to the point only high volume dealers can make any profit off it give no protection to smaller retailers because tis not your product that sucks its their "business plan"...

whats the half life on drugs again?
and can a industry of separate corporations be all dragged to court using rico /monopoly laws?


rant rant rant *goes and naws on a 220 outlet*