Woah, blu-ray movies cost how much?!

[Thefremen]

So I go to gamestop yesterday because the mall was totally dead (on 1/1/07? Go figure!). I check out EBA, that's 39.99, so imma have to bring some trades...just for kicks I look at the ps3 section and I'm floored by the game prices, but holy crap, ice age: the meltdown is 41.99?

That's way more than I'm willing to pay for a movie.

[MisterS]

that's why i will not be buying the ps3, 360, or anything else from sony or microsoft until they take their heads out of their <insert definition for donkey>.

[kurisu7885]

Yow. It sounds like Sony is in a hurry to make this the next Betamax. It just sounds too much like an excuse to jack up movie prices. I still remember that Nintendo cut off their deal on the Playstation because Sony wanted all the profits from game sales.

[Tyriku]

They're 42$ at GameStop? Holy crap, what the hell, Sony.

Wal-Mart has them slightly cheaper, 30$ a pop, but that's STILL too much for something like a movie, ESPECIALLY that Underworld whatever or Catwoman.

[steelcobra]

You also have to look at the price of a disc and how much they're charging for DVDs. Last I looked, a single-layer Blu-ray recordable disc cost $19. A blank DVD only costs a dollar or less. And the manufactured discs cost less than that. Yet they still charge $20 or more for a movie, while more costly to produce tapes only cost $12-15.

[Silver_Derstin]

Anything over 15$ for a movie or CD is too much, if you ask me. If I can buy 3 books for the price of 1 movie, guess what I'll be getting?

[steelcobra]

Might I recommend the following then?

3x Carlin: an Orgy of George (all three of his books plus an extra thirty pages of new material)

The Halo three pack (to get ready to read Ghosts of Onyx)

the two War of The Spider Queen packs.

And this kicks ass if you enjoy anime or vampires: http://www.buyanimes.com/detail.asp?dvdno=21979&title=Hellsing+Ultimate+1+%28DVD%29

[ZippyDSMlee]

How much was DVD when it first came out? 25? still up about 10 more I guess for inflation or lack of the dollars world wide power in any case Unless I can get all the old SW movies on 1 disc whats the point of spending 40$ on 1 movie?

Also I have noticed a 10$ markup on most new things in the retail shops I could go online and get FF12 for 35$ in Game stop or EB its almsot 50 new.

[KN]

So I go to gamestop yesterday because the mall was totally dead (on 1/1/07? Go figure!). I check out EBA, that's 39.99, so imma have to bring some trades...just for kicks I look at the ps3 section and I'm floored by the game prices, but holy crap, ice age: the meltdown is 41.99?

That's way more than I'm willing to pay for a movie.

Hehe, that's roughly what DVDs cost when they first came out.

I think they went up to 50.

But there's no excuse for this to cost that much in 2007.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Hehe, that's roughly what DVDs cost when they first came out.

I think they went up to 50.

But there's no excuse for this to cost that much in 2007.

Yes there is its call greed dear and sheeple make greed ever so harder,like you and Asian school girls/boys.

[Garrett]

Yow. It sounds like Sony is in a hurry to make this the next Betamax. It just sounds too much like an excuse to jack up movie prices. I still remember that Nintendo cut off their deal on the Playstation because Sony wanted all the profits from game sales.

It wasn't cutting off the deal. It was Nintendo giving Sony the finger and saying FU in front of many show goers at CES. Sony is in business to make money. Money, of course, is more important then another company (or lately, even you & me, as consumers!) Hiroshi Yamauchi didn't read the agreement the first time. Instead of getting in touch with Sony and renegotiating, or just telling them "deal's off", he secretly canceled the deal. Instead, they partnered with Phillips in Europe. Anyone remember that deal? Stupid move by Nintendo, followed by a brilliant one by Sony.

But, yeah, blueray is too much, the PS3 is too much, and Sony can care less about the average gamer. But remember, people are stupid too. They WANT to pay a lot for HD stuff.

[steelcobra]

Ok, I have to say this: Blu-ray is not a sony proprietary format. It was developed by toshiba, most of the computer companies support it, and only one movie studio is not in on it. It is not the same as Betamax.

Any poor video quality reports are because early blue-ray discs were recorded in mpeg-2 instead of h.264.

[ZippyDSMlee]

Ok, I have to say this: Blu-ray is not a sony proprietary format. It was developed by toshiba, most of the computer companies support it, and only one movie studio is not in on it. It is not the same as Betamax.

Any poor video quality reports are because early blue-ray discs were recorded in mpeg-2 instead of h.264.

Yes BR is not "sonys" but tis still a bit to much the PS3 could have been done better, broken into parts

PS3 core 20GB HD ,Ether net,USB, + 350
PS3 blank (no HD),Ether net,USB, + 300

HDMI port + 150
60HD + 80
Card reader + 50
Wi fi + 50
Silver Trim + 30

A whole 20GB unit 700,a special 120GB unit for 800.

its called giving gamers options soemthign game devs hate to do.

[steelcobra]

The reason they decided to build both models with hard drives was to prevent the user segmentation and feature uncertainty that the Xbox 360 has. If a dev builds a game that takes advantage of the hard drive, he's assured that the system will have it. Plus the PS3 is an open-dev system, meaning that anybody can built games for it and post them on the marketplace online, as long as they register themselves as a company with Sony.

And with HDMI the now de facto interface for HDTV, there's no point in not having one on all models.

[kurisu7885]

Plus the PS3 is an open-dev system, meaning that anybody can built games for it and post them on the marketplace online, as long as they register themselves as a company with Sony.


Does Microsoft do the same with their game making software? I know they released development kits priced for consumers at least a few months ago.

[steelcobra]

You HAVE to use XNA if you want to build something independently for the 360.

[KN]

Yes there is its call greed dear and sheeple make greed ever so harder,like you and Asian school girls/boys.

My preference for guys is a weeeee bit different.

[kurisu7885]

You HAVE to use XNA if you want to build something independently for the 360.

I know that, but does Microsoft require a company registration or something like that? That's what I was getting at. Or can you just buy XNA and try to produce something?

[Thefremen]

I know that, but does Microsoft require a company registration or something like that? That's what I was getting at. Or can you just buy XNA and try to produce something?

You can get a free trial from microsoft you know, to get an idea of what you're getting into. I'm somewhat suprised you're interested in this. Unlike your posts here, any spelling/grammar errors you make with code will have greater effect than just making Theory? pissed off.

[steelcobra]

I know someone who's code wasn't working because it had an extra apostrophe in the wrong place.

[John]

Even if Blu-Ray does die as a movie format for whatever reason, I think it will serve a whole lot better as a game disc format.

Sure, longer loading times, but a hell of a lot of space on it. Meaning developers won't have to cut anything from their games to save up on space.

Now, for someone to rebuttle me. Cause as much as people don't want to hear anything negative about the Wii, they also don't want to hear anything positive about the PS3...

[steelcobra]

Or, as has already been shown, they can produce a single global version to reduce production costs/time.

[ZippyDSMlee]

John
I been looking at speeds BR read speed is faster than DVD speed if anyhting its so close the 360 is the one that lags because of disc compression.

I only have 2 issues with the PS3 price and a bleak/shallow future for gaming
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HD/BR combo player now available ,will be in the stores sometime in 3rd qauter I would think.

http://www.afterdawn.com/news/archive/8325.cfm
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steelcobra
but still over price by region and don't even support all regions thus regioning is a pointless and pain full endeavor for moves and games.

Untill play asia can export PS3s to Europe I feel the main reason sony tagged link sang was because of movie/game sales

Look new regioning scheme in place to further lock out Eu importing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

[steelcobra]

EU also uses a different video standard than US/Japan. Meaning the system has to be built to output it. And it is a bit cheaper to build a game system to be NTSC/ATSC or PAL, but not both.

Plus, you can't really repackage systems sent to different regions. As for Lik-Sang, their original business was mod chips...

[ZippyDSMlee]

EU also uses a different video standard than US/Japan. Meaning the system has to be built to output it. And it is a bit cheaper to build a game system to be NTSC/ATSC or PAL, but not both.

Plus, you can't really repackage systems sent to different regions. As for Lik-Sang, their original business was mod chips...

a software flag would fix that,if the system is made to to spec and since HD is the new "format" you need to have pal and ntsc even less.

BTW the games are not "regioned" presay but the movies are if the games can adjust why not the movies,the things change the more they stay the same.

[steelcobra]

No, it's not a software flag. It is the entire rendering format. Like trying to watch Realvideo files on Quicktime without conversion.

HD is NOT a format. It is a set of resolutions.
SDTV: 480i
EDTV: 480P
HDTV: 780P, 1080i, 1080p

[ZippyDSMlee]

No, it's not a software flag. It is the entire rendering format. Like trying to watch Realvideo files on Quicktime without conversion.

HD is NOT a format. It is a set of resolutions.
SDTV: 480i
EDTV: 480P
HDTV: 780P, 1080i, 1080p

and they dont run on pal/ntsc do they? no,and then way can most NTSC stuff with software alone convert pal to ntsc?

sure a pal system the way they made it is not going to handle it well ,however with some forethought you could build a NTSC system that has pal output since the system is already marked up for the region its not going to hurt it to add another 20-50 usd onto it to be consumer friendly and get rid of the hassle of the draconian regioning setup yet they failed to do that thus moding shall continue non stop.